tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post5749072063722485611..comments2024-03-28T21:59:50.423+05:30Comments on TRISHUL: Here Comes The ‘Prahaar’…At LastPrasun K. Senguptahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-91468417829487644182011-07-06T14:06:12.416+05:302011-07-06T14:06:12.416+05:30To Austin: Plenty of interesting developments inde...To Austin: Plenty of interesting developments indeed, regarding the INS Vikramaditya, IAC-2, Project 17A prospects, Project 15 Delhi-class DDG mid-life upgrade details, refits of existing Tarantul-1 corvettes, and the Severnoye SDB-designed AOPV construction by Pipavav Shipyard Ltd. The Chief of the Naval Staff is here too visiting the expo. More about all this later, rest assured.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-14255218767407863332011-07-06T09:41:04.144+05:302011-07-06T09:41:04.144+05:30Prasun any thing interesting to share from IMDS ? ...Prasun any thing interesting to share from IMDS ? A report on your visit will be good and some pictures.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06768100357737947086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-68797031549841700502011-07-05T23:06:12.484+05:302011-07-05T23:06:12.484+05:30The Russian navy 1135.6 VLS system will most likel...The Russian navy 1135.6 VLS system will most likely have Redut SAM similar to Gorshkov class frigate.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06768100357737947086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-8096696296688269492011-07-05T22:26:02.520+05:302011-07-05T22:26:02.520+05:30To Austin: It is not mandatory for cruise missiles...To Austin: It is not mandatory for cruise missiles to have terrain-hugging or sea-skimming profiles. Even the BrahMos does not do so, and yet it is classified as a cruise missile. There is no gliding flight regime involved at all, either by the missile body or the warhead section. 50km at hypersonic speed for maximum reach is correct, but the Shaurya is not always expected to strike targets at maximum range. The target could even be 350km away. Depressed trajectory denotes the flight profile, whereas the term 'cruise' denotes the sustained speed during flight. <br />By the way, at IMDS 2011 here in St Petersburg I at last got confirmation from both Rosoboronexport and Yantar Shipyard JSC that the three Batch 2 Project 1135.6 FFGs will retain the original rail-launched Shtil-1 configuration, but will be upgradable to a VLS configuration at a later date if desired. Also, it has not yet been decided whether or not to equip the Project 1135.6 FFGs under construction for the Russian Navy with VL-Shtil, which is presently being proposed for the mid-life upgrade of the three Project 15 Delhi-class DDGs.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-51131082668343640642011-07-05T20:29:37.340+05:302011-07-05T20:29:37.340+05:30Prasun , Shaurya can be classified as Hypersonic B...Prasun , Shaurya can be classified as Hypersonic Boost Glide Vehical (BGV) and not a hypersonic cruise missile , unlike cruise missile it does not do a nap of the earth flight or changes altitude/trajectory in flight but flies at an altitude of ~ 50 km at hypersonic speed during most phase of its flight.<br /><br />The idea is to provide lowest possible reaction time for Long Range Early Warning Radar due to it low altitude of flight also termed as depressed trajectory flight and minimum reaction time , at that altitude and speed intercepting it is not an trival task.<br /><br />Ofcourse Shurya is not the only missile that does such a flight , the Iskander-M/E flies at hypersonic speed at similar altitudes and uses various trajectory eg spiral during its terminal phase , pretty sure Shaurya must be having similar nifty profile during terminal phase.Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06768100357737947086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-7793095608409754072011-07-05T16:21:40.111+05:302011-07-05T16:21:40.111+05:30To Black Hawk: There is definitely a need for a 1,...To Black Hawk: There is definitely a need for a 1,500km-range subsonic cruise missile to target China's strategic installations and air bases in central China as well as in the provinces of Yunnan, Sichuan and the Tibet Autonomous Region.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-81464219904963098392011-07-05T16:05:17.046+05:302011-07-05T16:05:17.046+05:30To Anon@3.51PM: Read my latest upload for more det...To Anon@3.51PM: Read my latest upload for more details.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-60392600464188912892011-07-05T16:01:26.170+05:302011-07-05T16:01:26.170+05:30i am wondering why has DRDo not developed any tact...i am wondering why has DRDo not developed any tactical missiles with ranges above 2000 kms. The Chinese constitute our main threat and we should be preparing for a possible stand-off along arunachal border. now many of india's major population centers are in the north and east along with many imp. air bases and arms factories. in a future war china can easily target these with its missiles especially their cruise missiles. but for us it is very difficult coz china's major cities, air bases, factories, etc. are in central, eastern and southern china. we cant take them out without a 2000 km range tactical missile. our airforce can't penetrate 2000 km into china with impunity. so shouldn't DRDO be going for a 2000 km+ range Prahaar type missile instead of concentrating on pakistani front alone.Black Hawknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-70269745592352269712011-07-05T15:51:56.235+05:302011-07-05T15:51:56.235+05:30Prasunda
are you saying that Prahaar is actuall...Prasunda<br /><br /> are you saying that Prahaar is actually a LORA bought from israel and renamed by us? Is it totally developed by us or not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-67591381081199062502011-07-05T15:50:56.889+05:302011-07-05T15:50:56.889+05:30I mean THIS ZAID HAMID
Don't get confused with...I mean <a href="http://www.pakpoint.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ZaidHamid09.jpg" rel="nofollow">THIS ZAID HAMID</a><br />Don't get confused with Syed Hamid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-5425423037706316592011-07-05T15:05:58.560+05:302011-07-05T15:05:58.560+05:30To buddha: And the BoI will conclude that there wa...To buddha: And the BoI will conclude that there was nothing fishy at all, since it is the gospel truth. Pilatus Aircraft has been working with HAL since the early 1990s and had helped HAL as a consultant when the HTT-35 basic turboprop was first designed. The HTT-40 BTT project of HAL is nothing new, but the original HTT-35, the only difference now being that the HTT-40 will be powered by new-generation turboprop engines from Pratt & Whitney Canada. I remember way back in 1991 when I was visiting the Seoul International Aerospace Expo that officials from the then Daewoo Aerospace which was designing the KT-1, told me that after comparing the design/performance parameters of the PC-9 and Shorts Tucano, Daewoo had decided to develop a copycat version of the PC-9, which will be armed as well. In the IAF's case, the reqmt is not for an armed BTT, but just a simple and robust BTT for flying training only. Consequently, the PC-7 Mk2 fits the bill perfectly, while the KT-1 Woongbi would be an overkill of no value and necessity.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-16263673215011153012011-07-05T14:39:40.712+05:302011-07-05T14:39:40.712+05:30sir I heard something fishy in Trainer selection p...sir I heard something fishy in Trainer selection process and it is being detained untill the probe being over(korean objection)buddhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14511498783253086826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-41800383790974856792011-07-05T14:35:28.450+05:302011-07-05T14:35:28.450+05:30To Anon@2.28PM: Which Zaid Hamid are you referring...To Anon@2.28PM: Which Zaid Hamid are you referring to and in what context? I know of several Malaysians by that name.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-2559300451450150212011-07-05T14:34:09.358+05:302011-07-05T14:34:09.358+05:30For Anonymous@10:59AM:: And you're hallicunati...For Anonymous@10:59AM:: And you're hallicunating in a fool's paradise. Just absorb what Parsun has said and then go check out the visuals of a LORA and its vertical canister. Only after this you all can only conclude what parsun has been saying all along is is true. And STDU (!!!) if you're unable to accept reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-85331803887699731042011-07-05T14:28:22.677+05:302011-07-05T14:28:22.677+05:30Mr. Prasun, I really enjoy your blopg especially t...Mr. Prasun, I really enjoy your blopg especially the comment field; but at times you remind me of Zaid Hamid. I hope u take no offence and keep going. Nava.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-8209602800677932822011-07-05T10:59:18.788+05:302011-07-05T10:59:18.788+05:30alrite, so in other words India obtained Lora desi...alrite, so in other words India obtained Lora design from Israel and is producing it? along the lines of Chetak helos? lol u gotta be kidding...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-29608160008624279152011-07-04T23:53:21.086+05:302011-07-04T23:53:21.086+05:30To Anon@6.20PM: There isn't any gap between th...To Anon@6.20PM: There isn't any gap between the Smerch-M MBRL and Prahaar. The only gap that needs to be plugged is between 37.5km (the Pinaka MBRL's range) and the Smwerch-M's quoted range of 90km. And the only way to plug this gap is by procuring 155mm/52-cal self-propelled field artillery howitzers (motorised and tracked) firing rocket-assisted projectiles out to 61.4km, as demonsrated a decade ago by both the Bhim tracked SPH and the Caesar motorised SPH. The Smerch-M is an area saturation weapon and although it can deliver guided sensor-fuzed munitions, it still does not count as a precision strike weapon. The Indian Army has since 2002 been asking for hypersonic missiles with depressed flight trajectories for high-accuracy (not pinpoint accuracy, mind you) strikes against hostile fixed static targets like POL storage areas (for Brigade- and Divisional-level formations), and transportation infrastructure nodes located along interior lines of communication (consequently making the Prahaar Pakistan-specific). As such, since the targets are not too plenty in number, only a limited inventory of 'Prahaars' will be reqd, like 80 missiles per missile group, which works out to 240 missiles for the three existing missile groups, plus three reload rounds, working out to 720 missiles. In terms of both the cost-benefit ratio and techno-economic matrix, the Prahaar will be extremely cost-effective as it will the free up the IAF's strike aircraft assets to launch strategic and tactical air interdiction sorties, instead of undertaking the extremely hazardous task of battlefield air interdiction. This in turn will dramatically reduce blue-on-blue engagements (which were plenty in the 1965 and 1971 wars) and also dramatically reduce the sensor-to-shooter time-gap that presently prevails as far as the Army's field artillery formations are concerned. In other words, the emphasis is on effects-based operations, and not on the tonnage of TNT dropped in and around the targetted areas. <br /><br />To Anon@10.27PM: My photos will appear in the August 2011 issue of FORCE. In the meantime, why don't you request the more illustrious journalists at LIVEFIST or BROADSWORD or CHINDITS or for that matter from anyone else to post their pictures? I'm pretty sure they too had covered DEFEXPO, unless they were either totally ignorant about the subject matter or were just not doing any serious work, which I doubt. Afterall, if it hadn't been for me identifying the L & T-built TEL of the Prahaar, all of us wouldn't be having this debate on a global scale, right? Even the dudes who had taken photos of the TEL and had published them in their respective blogs didn't have a clue about their eventual applications. And kindly also ask the above-mentioned bloggers to confirm with the MoD whether or not the Prahaar and even the existing SS-150 Prithvi surface-to-surface battlefield support missiles are ballistic missiles, or are they cruise missiles. And just remember that while the Shaurya/K-15 was initially labelled as a submarine-launched ballistic missile, it later emerged that the Shaurya was indeed a hypersonic cruise missile flying as depressed flight trajectory (as rightly stated by BROADSWORD/Ajai Shukla). <br />As far as I'm concerned, it was known to only those took the trouble to check things out that the L & T-built TEL was indeed designed for the 'Prahaar'. But we were requested to sleep over this matter until the DRDO had made any formal announcement about it. It was only after the DRDO revealed the existence of the 'Prahaar' on July 2 that I decided to link it with the photos published by other blogs. Therefore, an exhaustive description of the Prahaar and its projected application, drafted as far back as March 2010, will at last be publishyed in next month's FORCE magazine issue.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-30726190691894634192011-07-04T22:35:08.805+05:302011-07-04T22:35:08.805+05:30To Anon@5.51PM: What exactly is your problem? Havi...To Anon@5.51PM: What exactly is your problem? Having problems digesting the truth? Shiv Aroor at LIVEFIST had stated that the Arudhra is an Israel-built radar simply because the MoD itself has said so in a press release (posted by LIVEFIST at: http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/06/photos-iaf-inducts-indian-built-arudhra.html). So why are you still confused? It is not the whole world which is saying that the Arudhra is an indigenous radar, but only an erroneous and misleading news report originating from the IANS news agency which claimed that the Arudhra is indigenous. Does that now clear all your doubts? If not, then kindly approach at your own peril ACM P V Naik at Vayu Sena Bhavan or the MoD's Directorate of Public Relations and ask them to tell you the gospel truth, and why did the MoD's 2010-2011 annual report contradict the DPR's press release. <br />Regarding the Prahar's TEL, yes I do have the pictures, which will appear in the August 2011 issue of FORCE magazine. But I'm sure there are several other journalists that visited DEFEXPO 2010 and took photos. So why don't you ask them to post some photos? As far as I'm concerned, I'm more interested in having a debate on the operational necessity of developing the 'Prahaar' and on the reasons for not re-lifing the existing Prithvi SS-150s (rightly so in my view) and instead going for the 'Prahaar' as replacements.<br /><br />To Anon@6.20PM: Bro, sometimes fuming becomes unavoidable when morons can't distinguish between a land navigation system and a FOG-based TCS. Yes, Prahaar = LORA in terms of design and performance parameters. Only difference is that Prahaar is fabricated (built and produced) in India, and its TEL has been designed and fabricated by Larsen & Toubro.<br /><br />To Anon@8.05PM: Prahaar is a SS-150 Prithvi-type surface-to-surface battlefield support missile that will each all the existing Prithvi SS-150s. It can be fired in salvo mode, but is not a MBRL-type rocket because it will be vertically launched. We will have to wait until July 17 to find out whether or not its first test-flight is a success.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-2643318383277652062011-07-04T22:27:49.579+05:302011-07-04T22:27:49.579+05:30Prasun,
From the two photos linked here, i could ...Prasun,<br /><br />From the two photos linked here, i could see 4 missiles. Can you upload your pics for confirmation. <br /><br />Or, are there two different launcher configuration?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-18702103811397154492011-07-04T20:05:18.145+05:302011-07-04T20:05:18.145+05:30Is Prahaar is missile type(prithvi) or MBRL type, ...Is Prahaar is missile type(prithvi) or MBRL type, payload .<br />any idea nos may be ordered if it is success in test.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-72006794663503461782011-07-04T18:20:33.169+05:302011-07-04T18:20:33.169+05:30bro, stop fuming..
so we wanna get this straight,...bro, stop fuming..<br /><br />so we wanna get this straight, please clarify on the relationshipo between this missile and Lora?<br /><br />is Prahaar = Lora??<br /><br />thxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-73676830280382677652011-07-04T17:51:21.188+05:302011-07-04T17:51:21.188+05:30dude it has been mentioned that is indigenous one ...dude it has been mentioned that is indigenous one in the report 2010-2011.....dude r u sure prahar has 3 missiles....if u have pic plz post..!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-88983137689307330792011-07-04T17:45:26.434+05:302011-07-04T17:45:26.434+05:30To Anon Above: Of course it is an Indian radar. No...To Anon Above: Of course it is an Indian radar. Now that India has bought it from Israel it is an India-owned product. No one's denying that. But to be noted is that an Indian radar does not necessarily mean that it is a Made-in-India product or a DRDO-developed product.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-14918025310134769112011-07-04T17:26:19.827+05:302011-07-04T17:26:19.827+05:30hey arudhra radar is indian radar check out mod 20...hey arudhra radar is indian radar check out mod 2010-2011 annual report....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-2944212461877034722011-07-04T16:46:44.621+05:302011-07-04T16:46:44.621+05:30To Anon Above: The dude who created that weblink w...To Anon Above: The dude who created that weblink will don the mantle of becoming a certifiable moron once he sees the photos of the Prahaar's TEL from different angles in the August 2011 issue of FORCE magazine. He kindda reminds me of others of his ilk who last month were spreading disinformation by claiming that the EL/M-2084 MMR/Arudhra MPR was a DRDO-developed product.Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.com