tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post7032893078912998628..comments2024-03-28T21:59:50.423+05:30Comments on TRISHUL: Gloves Are Finally Off Against Those Irreconcilable, Compulsively Sulking Negativists!-1Prasun K. Senguptahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.comBlogger257125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-52914840132559910932016-10-15T08:09:20.158+05:302016-10-15T08:09:20.158+05:30A little piece from history:
On 16 Dec 1971, 2nd...A little piece from history:<br /> <br />On 16 Dec 1971, 2nd Lieutenant Arun Khetrapal of the 17 Poona Horse Regiment, was killed in the Battle of Basantar and was awarded the nation's highest gallantry award, the Param Vir Chakra. His portrait hangs in the central lobby of the Sudan Block in the NDA. <br /><br />In 2001, Brigadier ML Khetarpal (Father of Late 2nd Lt Arun Khetarpal, PVC) then 81 years old - felt a strong desire to visit his birthplace Sargodha, now in Pakistan. At Lahore airport, Brigadier Khetarpal was met by Brigadier Khwaja Mohammad Naser, who took it upon himself to be Brigadier Khetarpal’s host and guide. Brigadier Naser really went out of his way to ensure that Brigadier Khetarpal had a satisfying and nostalgic visit to his old house in Sargodha.<br /><br />Upon his return to Lahore he was once again the guest of Brigadier Naser for three days. Brigadier Khetarpal was overwhelmed by the extreme kindness, deference, courtesy and respect bestowed upon him by Brigadier Naser and by all the members of his family and his many servants. However Brigadier Khetarpal felt that something was amiss but could not make out what it was. Was it the long silences that punctuated their animated conversation or was it the look of compassion in the eyes of the women in the family? He could not make out but was sure he was being treated as someone very special. Finally, on the last night before Brigadier Khetarpal's departure, Brigadier Naser said "Sir, there is something that I wanted to tell you for many years but I did not know how to get through to you. Finally, fate has intervened and sent you to me as an honoured guest. The last few days we have become close to one another and that has made my task even more difficult."<br /><br />"It is regarding your son who is, of course, a national hero in India. However on that fateful day, your son and I were soldiers, unknown to one another, fighting for the respect and safety of our respective countries. I regret to tell you that your son died in my hands. Arun's courage was exemplary and he moved his tank with fearless courage and daring, totally unconcerned about his safety. Tank casualties were very high till finally there were just two of us left facing one another. We both fired simultaneously. It was destined that I was to live and he was to die. It was only later that I got to know how young he was and who he was. I had all along thought that I would ask your forgiveness, but in telling the story I realize that there is nothing to forgive.<br /><br />Instead I salute your son for what he did at such a young age and I salute you too, because I know how he grew into such a young man. In the end it is character and values that matter."<br /><br />Brigadier Khetarpal was silent as he did not know how to react. To be enjoying the hospitality of the person who had killed his son was a confusing feeling. However being a soldier himself he genuinely admired the chivalry of an officer whose complete squadron was decimated by his son. Both the Brigadiers retired for the night deep in thought. There are never any victors in war; both sides lose and it is the families that have to pay the price and suffer the most. As someone once said 'Wars are created by politicians, compounded by bureaucrats and fought by soldiers.'<br /><br />The next day photographs were taken and Brigadier ML Khetarpal returned back to Delhi. Later the photos reached Delhi along with a note from Brigadier Naser that said:<br />"With Warmest regards and utmost sincerity, To: Brigadier M.L. Khetarpal, Father of Shaheed Second Lieutenant Arun Khetarpal, PVC, (who stood like an unsurmountable rock, between the victory and failure, of the counter attack by the 'SPEARHEADS' 13 LANCERS on 16 December 1971 in the battle of "Bara Pind' as we call it and battle of "Basantar' as 17 Poona Horse remembers) " <br /><br />This is what soldiering is made of - honour and respect among enemies.<br /><br />Just an understanding of the exceptional men who we esp our politicians talk about so casuallyCSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14974393013993849446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-87478607980339410162016-10-14T20:26:27.938+05:302016-10-14T20:26:27.938+05:30Pierre : "Talking about religion. I find it c...Pierre : "Talking about religion. I find it comical when India portrays herself as a secular republic and yet when a weapon or satellite is launched the bosses all walk around with a red tika over their foreheads and pujas before the launch. This is very much a hindu styled ceremony - shouldn't the ceremony be non-religious to depict the secular nature of India? .....Regardless of where the name originated it is my personal opinion where multi-ethnic and religions exist better stick to neutral names instead of those whose origin can be linked to one religion. Why name an inanimate material anyway."<br /><br />Not only we name inanimate material, but we worship them too. That establishes the idea that is Hinduism. I know its not rational if you arent a Hindu or even if you are (as this idea disturbs most people & any attempt to challenge its validity is met with outrage) but its ironical that for all the value we give to the rational, life is primarily governed by the irrational. Love and sorrow are not rational. Hatred, ambition, rage, greed and even ethics, morals and aesthetics are irrational. They depend on values and standards which are ultimately subjective. What is right, sacred to one group of people need not be to another group.<br /><br />Names, and in a wider sense, all symbols, rituals and ceremonies are essentially languages. Languages that are heard, seen, performed and understood. Together they construct the common truth of a culture. For hindus, all of creation is divine. Everything is therefore worthy of worship and has divine essence. There is no discomfort visualizing the divine in plants, animals, mountains, rocks and in inanimate objects such as pots, pans, pestles and mortars. (And in this case arms and weapons for instilling fear in our enemies.) Anything can have a divine quality and name as long as it can respond to these human ideas. <br /><br />In many Shrines, rocks are given human form merely by placing a pair of eyes. It indicates that it is conscious, sensitive and responsive. People from other religion and culture shoudnt have any problem with that. A Hindu God with ten arms and a demon with ten heads project a universe where there are infinite possibilities, better or for worse. They are inherited truths. These symbols & beliefs cant be discarded in the face of modernity and the intermingling of ideas from other cultures. The practices needs to be assimilated however irrational it may seem to others.<br /><br />Take for example, as long as the Greeks believed in Charon, they placed copper coins for him in the mouth of the dead. So long as the Egyptians believed in the afterworld ruled by Osiris, they built pyramids. Today no one believes in Osiris or Charon so there are no pyramids or coins in the mouth of the dead. It has been lost and replaced by other belief system. I hope you get the point.The Seekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-64970055901553514182016-10-14T18:08:01.306+05:302016-10-14T18:08:01.306+05:30@Pierre
Even inanimate objects such as bikes, car...@Pierre<br /><br />Even inanimate objects such as bikes, cars have names. You cant give something an Indian name without in some way linking and attributing to our beliefs peculiar to our society and worlview. Giving a name to our weapons such as the Trishul, Pinaka, Rudra, Vajra or Varunastra derived from legends and epics effectively Geotags it, while reafirming to our age old belief and the science of Dharmayudh, the war for righteousness, a discourse as old as history itself but largely missing today. <br /><br />Because of the power involved in those weapons, specific conditions existed involving the usage of these legendary astras and they were wielded only in dire situations. Remember, Weapons are also for psychological warfare, mostly. Neutrality is not an option there. <br /><br />Also, there is nothing 'inanimate' in our culture be it Sun(Surya), Fire(Agni), Earth(Pritvi) or Air(Akash) or even stone. Everything has a guna i.e. quality/energy. Naming them as such sort of invokes the desired qualities in our weapons, similar to naming a child in India for that matter. Whats the harm in it anyway?<br /><br /><br /><br />Spykarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-64825202596024251002016-10-14T14:15:06.064+05:302016-10-14T14:15:06.064+05:30Is this a simple case of russia safeguarding itsel...Is this a simple case of russia safeguarding itself, or is it really a strategic shift. If so what can we do:<br /><br /><br />http://thewire.in/72650/india-tilts-westwards-russia-looks-pakistan-widen-strategic-options/<br /><br /><br />Ajitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-31470075933925510752016-10-14T12:05:42.123+05:302016-10-14T12:05:42.123+05:30Arpit Kanodia: "If US is that much secular in...Arpit Kanodia: "If US is that much secular in army like u say"- did I misread my own comments? Where did I mention that? Regardless of where the name originated it is my personal opinion where multi-ethnic and religions exist better stick to neutral names instead of those whose origin can be linked to one religion. Why name an inanimate material anyway. Who calls their tables, chairs, bikes, cars something be it Jodie, Varun, Rahman or whatever... I was just referring to that - NOTHING to do with which is a greater religion, what should people believe, no disrespect to anyone's faith.Millard Keyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11977478261887311256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-87343338656887610562016-10-14T09:43:20.340+05:302016-10-14T09:43:20.340+05:30Prasun
Is the deal for the acquisition of S-400 T...Prasun<br /><br />Is the deal for the acquisition of S-400 Triumf on the verge of signing? <br /><br />TOI and many others are claiming that S-400 in its primary role of Air Defence against Fighter Aircrafts would make PAF vulnerable in its own airspace. <br /><br />Will the S-400 used as a AAD or in a BMD role?Ram Bharadwajnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-20310434594028509472016-10-14T03:27:08.263+05:302016-10-14T03:27:08.263+05:30https://sputniknews.com/asia/201610131046309796-mi...https://sputniknews.com/asia/201610131046309796-minerals-india-mining-frontier/<br /><br />http://www.ptinews.com/news/7965328_China--Pak-not-letting-India-use-its-own-resources--Ahir.html<br /><br /><br />Spykarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-29908449723169532892016-10-14T02:54:09.605+05:302016-10-14T02:54:09.605+05:30Sir, Last year during the Aero India expo, you sai...Sir, Last year during the Aero India expo, you said<br /><br />1. "ALPHA Technologies has teamed up with ELBIT Systems to offer the Lizard LGB kit that converts existing low-drag bombs produced by OFB into laser-guided PGMs. The Lizard kit features control fins in the nose itself & therefore no tailfin kits are required (like those for the Paveway family) & are therefore much cheaper.<br /><br />2. The IAF has through its own in-house resources designed two PGMs: a turbofan-powered cruise missile with folding wings, & an unpowered glided version. Both missiles have all-composite airframe structures."<br /><br />What happened to it?The Seekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-68844931082057545732016-10-14T02:28:52.963+05:302016-10-14T02:28:52.963+05:30Dada,
Russian Trade Minister has said JV for prod...Dada,<br /><br />Russian Trade Minister has said JV for production of IL-114-300 , MS-21 and the Sukhoi Superjet has been offered to India. What are the chances? Also seems that the stage has been set for the S-400 deal. Can you delve into it a bit and the associated systems on offer along with it? Will the proposed Batch 3 Project 1135.6 FFGs sales materialize this time? Spykarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-64780123645211560472016-10-14T02:06:01.128+05:302016-10-14T02:06:01.128+05:30India and Russia to sign deal for supply of S-400 ...India and Russia to sign deal for supply of S-400 Triumf on Oct 15 tass.com/defense/906326 are 5 systems enough?Varunnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-75808209565898631342016-10-14T01:04:51.339+05:302016-10-14T01:04:51.339+05:30@Anthony : You say "Where Indians get muddled...@Anthony : You say "Where Indians get muddled up is when they try to compare themselves with western nations and their notion of the role of religion in state affairs. India was closer to western notion 30 years ago but today it is much closer to Pakistan. Question is do Indians really care about this?"<br /><br />You are making a sweeping generalisation. Can you care to back up your statement with some points on which you are basing your views on? Otherwise its just a question hanging midair and going nowhere. <br /><br />Or are you deriving the notion of India just with the names we give to our Astras and Shastras?Spykarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-67099079533763314662016-10-14T00:44:41.380+05:302016-10-14T00:44:41.380+05:30sir what u think about this http://www.ndtv.com/in...sir what u think about this http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/russia-and-india-to-sign-delivery-deal-for-s-400-missiles-on-saturday-1473829?pfrom=home-lateststoriesAmardeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15566575753563904336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-58786205034336071002016-10-13T22:48:39.942+05:302016-10-13T22:48:39.942+05:30There is a difference between religion and dharma....There is a difference between religion and dharma. Once you understand the same you will be discerning about the use of religion in China, Russia or European countries. Post Renaissance Europe and Russia have moved out of the church, Christianity and government combined together trap. Hence they till date refrain from using Christian symbolism. But their constitution talks of these nations as christians nations. In China communism is religion agnostic although they are aggressively marketing confusion ism. India on the contrary has secular (unlike Israel where constitution specifies the state as a Jewish state) constitution and does not market Hinduism or even claims itself officially to be a Hindu state. Only political discourse on India is creating a perception which you are falling prey to. Even if you closely observe the present bjp government, they have done nothing for Hindus or Hinduism. There is a big perception for vote banks being played our in India. Regards<br /><br />KunalAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09723682605881132108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-76906445229433674992016-10-13T22:47:51.968+05:302016-10-13T22:47:51.968+05:30@Anthony
There is a difference between religion a...@Anthony<br /><br />There is a difference between religion and dharma. Once you understand the same you will be discerning about the use of religion in China, Russia or European countries. Post Renaissance Europe and Russia have moved out of the church, Christianity and government combined together trap. Hence they till date refrain from using Christian symbolism. But their constitution talks of these nations as christians nations. In China communism is religion agnostic although they are aggressively marketing confusion ism. India on the contrary has secular (unlike Israel where constitution specifies the state as a Jewish state) constitution and does not market Hinduism or even claims itself officially to be a Hindu state. Only political discourse on India is creating a perception which you are falling prey to. Even if you closely observe the present bjp government, they have done nothing for Hindus or Hinduism. There is a big perception for vote banks being played our in India. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09723682605881132108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-19586524495164463582016-10-13T21:15:23.826+05:302016-10-13T21:15:23.826+05:30@Anthony
Yes, Indians do care about that. That is...@Anthony<br /><br />Yes, Indians do care about that. That is why they voted Modi to power and reduced Congress to something by a tenth. Show me some example where India is trying to compare itself with the West's notion of religion in state affairs and also delve on how today it has become closer to pakistan, ('no different' as you say) ? Spykarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-55897873374183683222016-10-13T21:12:40.076+05:302016-10-13T21:12:40.076+05:30Sir
Your view on this
Check out @PTI_News's...Sir <br /><br />Your view on this <br />Check out @PTI_News's Tweet: https://twitter.com/PTI_News/status/786583289804967936?s=09<br /><br />""""Russia to sign multi-billion deal with India on October 15 for delivery of S-400 #TriumfMissile defence systems: Kremlin""""Arpit Kanodiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16467626553252165462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-35854661353038461052016-10-13T21:03:38.518+05:302016-10-13T21:03:38.518+05:30Dear Prasun,
Which will be the other make in India...Dear Prasun,<br />Which will be the other make in India jet that will be exercised? If we manage to get Kaveri engine succeed with help from Safran then I believe it's curtains for Gripen. Just GaN based AESA radar won't be enough to convince IAF as Tejas Mk1A and subsequently Tejas Mk2 will be at par with Gripen.F16 and F18 will not convince IAF as no real tech.transfer will happen. So which is that other fighter for MII?<br />Vedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02144947209737421801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-4914431352213164182016-10-13T20:32:19.742+05:302016-10-13T20:32:19.742+05:30Hi Prasun,
Thanks for providing detailed answers ...Hi Prasun,<br /><br />Thanks for providing detailed answers to everyones queries I have 2 questions<br /><br />1) Is this one step closer to relations between the two countries?<br /><br />http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world-us-welcomes-india-s-prominent-role-in-world-white-house-352148<br /><br />2) And is this true or a Joke?<br /><br />http://www.india.com/news/world/us-is-pakistan-real-enemy-claims-hafiz-saeed-america-responds-by-saying-no-need-to-dignify-comments-of-an-avowed-terrorist-1554106/<br /><br />@ RAT October 11, 2016 at 2:15 PM <br />Could you please use a different name to post I am using that name to post comments originally. ThanksRATnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-53257944627085363242016-10-13T19:10:30.026+05:302016-10-13T19:10:30.026+05:30India is no different to Pakistan (or Israel) when...<br />India is no different to Pakistan (or Israel) when it comes to the use of religion. India derives the names of it's systems, from the Hindu religion and Hindu religious warriors. Pakistan derives it's from Islam and Islamic warriors. American, European, Russia and China generally don't in the current era (last 20 years). There is nothing wrong with either approach. <br /><br />Where Indians get muddled up is when they try to compare themselves with western nations and their notion of the role of religion in state affairs. India was closer to western notion 30 years ago but today it is much closer to Pakistan. Question is do Indians really care about this?<br /><br />AnthonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-81492315617928604442016-10-13T16:57:11.122+05:302016-10-13T16:57:11.122+05:30@vijay
Papistani Tanks, Artilleries and Commandos...@vijay<br /><br />Papistani Tanks, Artilleries and Commandos are good for nothing, except maybe as this song goes : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8uK_mWnbr4<br /><br />Delusions of grandeur & a total wastage of precious time! Bringing Tahir Shah would have been more destructive. He has got spectrum eyes! The Seekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-48727418767551975732016-10-13T14:50:27.250+05:302016-10-13T14:50:27.250+05:30Uri attack : Patriots Vs Traitors :: A Warning! It...Uri attack : Patriots Vs Traitors :: A Warning! Its Uncensored :: <br /><br />https://youtu.be/xFrvys94swE<br /><br />Spread the word.Spykarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-60882483717141639822016-10-13T14:42:17.031+05:302016-10-13T14:42:17.031+05:30
secularism was in fact practiced in india, thousa...<br />secularism was in fact practiced in india, thousands of years ago according to my personal view, long before the concept was ever thought of in the west where it was never heard of in the past.<br /> I will tell you how.<br />Muslim arab traders landed in the coast of kerala and slowly started to spread islam .Then kings of kerala could have easily kicked them out or even killed them but they chose not to and allowed them to flourish and even marry local women. Thus developed a section called moplas.<br />St Thomas one of the direct disciples of christ landed up in the coast of kerala and started spreading Christianity , by preaching his god and religion was superior etc. Again the then kings let him be, because in India kings welcomed people from other lands and culture to their darbar and tried to learn knowledge and wisdom from other lands by debate .Thus they were open to other religions. <br /> St Thomas then moved to Tamil nad where he started converting local poor illiterate people to Christianity .This was opposed by the then kings who had warned him not to do so . but as he still persisted, he was killed . His remains are in ST Thomas church in Chennai.<br /> The Jews were welcomed in cochin as well and flourished till date .<br />The Zoroastrians persecuted in iran came to india in Gujarat and are still flourishing today. Prasun can correct me on facts of history.<br /><br /> India not secular??????<br />radnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-2765444173620022832016-10-13T11:52:22.999+05:302016-10-13T11:52:22.999+05:30@CSC what is more disgraceful when someone refuse ...@CSC what is more disgraceful when someone refuse to sing and say Vande Matram? <br /><br />Reasons are unknown to me.Arpit Kanodiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16467626553252165462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-87610523920727141832016-10-13T11:09:24.644+05:302016-10-13T11:09:24.644+05:30Prasun da,
is it possible to create customised ver...Prasun da,<br />is it possible to create customised version of Kamorta having 8 Brahmos VLS or other anti-ship/Land-attack missile and also 16 cells Barak 8LRSAM and Israeli MF-STAR radar, C-Dome point defense system.SUVOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3545138702780178046.post-55818616129944969952016-10-13T07:52:04.487+05:302016-10-13T07:52:04.487+05:30http://www.abplive.in/india-news/pakistan-defence-...http://www.abplive.in/india-news/pakistan-defence-expert-admits-to-surgical-strikes-says-at-least-5-terrorists-killed-in-dudhniyal-427704 <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAnvVGGM4ws<br />Prasun K. Senguptahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625525921341864605noreply@blogger.com