How does this AIP technology (PAFC) better than other AIP technology used by Swedish and German submarines? Can it be fitted in Kilo class and HDW subs as well?
Wow nice thread sir, well informed one.so when will we see this AIP fitted in our ssk? 2) PN is getting some hangor class submarines apart from scorpene, $350 million per unit i think. Their underwater warfare arm is really getting strong n we are still living in some fool's paradise coz of our politicians who r not releasing funds for navy... PN will be having a upper hand in underwater warfare very soon sir what u say?? 3) coz of this local production clause, our submarines cost almost 2.5X more then OEM cost right?? 4) why govt is not allowing pvt co.s like l&t etc to develop their own r&D centres for designing n producing ships subs?? Why govt doesn't givr them assurance that we will buy your stuff provided u meet all parameters?? Same is condition in drone tech, rifle tech too... A banglore based company developed snipers of different calibres n i think these sarkari babus r not even giving them chance to compete, or if given then too won't buy their stuff coz commission khana hai.... 5) i hope that this p75I project must stop. N navy should scrap this tender n go for SSNs like barracuda class, that would be ideal choice as SSNs are far more better then SSKs... Either modified arihant class or like 6 purchased 6 made here. That would be best for us. I remember that you have been always supporter of SSNs over SSKs. Request u to kindly answer questions in last thread too... 😊 Thanks.
Dear Sir, regarding the visit of sweden illumaniries to India last week, and the given human right prespective of EU & to some extent US on kashmir 1. Are we discussing any closed door agreement on kashmir with world powers.
- There have been contradictory news about desi AIP... one where it says the land trails have started and they r onn track for retor fitment on kalavari class and the more recent ones where it says that the P75i will have a forein AIP
- this one relates to afghanistan is an interesting assessment , eye opening if true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZCJSSqvxpY .. plx share your assesment on the same & its authenticity.. looks like china & others are making strides in Afghan ,, while we, who have invested the maximum have nothing to show
- in my prev thread I wanted to ask you about the emergency purchase of 21 mig 29's which IAF was crying hoase abut..its suddenly gone quiet.. is it no longer an emergency with news of Iaf being busy with firming up specs for MRFA.. same for super sukhoi
- Recent news on navy chief saying the IN is not looking for 200 ships by 2026 which was the earlier plan.. how does it cover for the loss in quantity
- what type of deficiencies have been showing up on kestrel, if you can share
Dada our new IAC1 vikrant 's floppy got stolen, Somebody enters Dassault' s office, our Scorpene files and information gets released over the Internet. What's going on?
Prasun Da, Q(1) Which 8×8 wheeled ICV is best for us? How quickly we get them? Q(2) Is there any news about procurement of BMPT terminator like FSV? Q(3) Any news about self-propelled 120mm breach loaded mortar?
PN navy is not even a blue water Navy how can it even challenge IN? They don't like the Chinese stuff, its not of the same standard as our material.
IN is one of the finest in the world. Stop scare mongering.
The biggest problem is we (IAF) seem to have LOST confidence in the SU-30MKI. IAF is nolonger sure of being able to get air superiority over area's of conflict, e.g. Pak airspace. That will leave our ground forces and cities vulnerable.
Prasun da, Why bidding for 8*8 icf when drdo and ia is testing kestral? And when the contract get award it will take another 4-5 years to complete delivery
2. Your RV foresee any ind pak limilted war in near future?
To VED: This MAREEM AIP module has been developed (with technical assistance from France’s NAVAL Group) to fit in to the single-hulled CM-2000 Scorpene SSK. It can also be accommodated on the single-hulled Class 209/Type 1500 SSK provided some re-engineering of the AIP module’s dimensions are undertaken. However, for the double-hulled Type 877EKM/Kilo-class SSK, the re-engineering & hull modification costs will be prohibitive, since the design of the Type 877EKM/Kilo-class SSK is not available to anyone in India.
To SRIRANGA: I had already done an assessment of Project-75I 4 years ago in which I had stated that procuring a new-design single-hulled SSK will be a financial disaster. Hence, common-sense dictates that the IN continue procuring more CM-2000 Scorpene SSKs with either the MAREEM AIP module or with Lithium-Ion Battery-based AIP solution. Advantage of the latter is that irt consumes far less space than other AIP Module solutions like Stirling Engine or MAREEM.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: 2) Funds are available, but are not being made public. For example, the IN’s CNS during his press-conference refused to answer anything about nuclear matters, even though the IN already operates 2 nuclear-powered submarines & will get its third nuclear-powered submarine in another 2 years. In the ASW arena, what the IN requires most are: 1) 12-tonne & 10-tonne shipborne NMRHs. 2) Towed-array active/passive sonars for all its DDGs & FFgs. 3) Thin-line towed array sonar for its SSKs. 3) Correct. 4) Because the country’s decision-makers still haven’t figured out how to create & sustain a financially viable military-industrial complex.
To RISHI: Had already answered it on November 23, 2019 at 4:05AM.
To ASHUTOSH: Why should any such matter be discussed especially when the situation is already returning back to normal?
To JUST_CURIOUS: The half-life of the MAREEM AIP module has already been established, i.e. uninterrupted operation for 14 days. Once the total technical service life of the module is established, it will be ready for series-production sometime in early 2022. The Kestrel 8 x 8 requires customisation & ruggedisation, which can be achieved only after the vehicle has been subjected to user-trials. Right now, such trials are still ongoing.
To SUVO: 1) What is best will only emerge when the contenders are subjected to mobility & firepower trials in-country. 2 & 3) No.
To RAT2: Which type of IAF-operate MRCA is able to achieve air superiority inside hostile/contested airspace will become known only when such MRCAs are given the go-ahead to enter & prevail inside hostile airspace. As of now, there’s nothing to indicate that the Su-30MKIs are sub-optimal or are unable to carry out the taskings assigned to them. In fact, on the morning of February 27, 2019 the Su-30MKIs successfully neutralised the threats posed by AIM-120C-5 AMRAAMs & that’s precisely what the PAF has till this day shied away from revealing exactly how many AMRAAMs were fired on that day.
To VENKY: The Kestrel requires further ruggedisation.
To MOHAN: 1) Because had the Kestrel been developed by OFB, then the MoD would easily have nominated OFB for the contract. But since the Kestrel has been developed with DRDO’s help by a private-sector company, the charade of competitive evaluations has to be played out. 2) Depends on what is meant by ‘near future’.
More than new weapons, the quality of the existing ammunition, sourced from OFB or otherwise seems to complicate things for the Army in particular & Armed Forces in general. https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/shoddy-ammo-from-ordnance-factories-hitting-military-cag/articleshow/72411387.cms
Could you shed some light on the Quality Assurance, Performance & Reliability with Repeatability issues of the Weapons & Ammo used by the Army. All services seem to be struggling with these issues. Is it also a question of proper storage & use of ammo or just lack of QA during production? How can this be rectified? OFB, HAL, BDL etc. all have such issues. My query is - Does India have it worse off than other nations such as Russia or China in terms of quality or reliability of whether Missiles, Guns, Ammo or even Aircraft, Ships, Tanks & Weapon/Radar/Sensor Systems? (I leave US / West / Japan / SoKo out of this.)
HI prasun you suggested that the future subs should have li-ion batt or aip , was the li-ion bat meant to replace the existing batt or an addition towards better submerged time like the AIP.Is it not cost prohibitive as we dont have the tech for li-ion control power circuitry?. japan has done that,have they replce the lead acid , and what are the main advantages they have experienced?. what is e power requirement of of AIP in a sub?
you mentioneds thatthe m desi AIP was helped by the French , i understand it is a totaly desiproduct , where did the french come in ? now that the Arjum mk1a seems to have been made , do you see any furure forit ? i ist true it out classes the t-90 s in all spheres?
its heartenening to know that cabs is working on GMTI software and it is more or less done, for the lstar antenna
I think the way forward is to go the global 6000 way instad of arguing with russia for their rusty old il-76 airframes and getting caught int their web for spares and other reliabliity propblems . As for the front section radar coverage a proven aesa radar like the 2052 with a large aperture for the front installed in the nose should do the job. Only a 60 degree cone at he back will be blind , but that is acceptable .
or is it possible to make a large antenna for the front nose cone ,using the same modules of the lstar and use the existing hardware in a time sharing mode?
other wise the mechanical risk of and cost and time of trying to put a rotodome on a A 330 , flight test it ,is cost prohibitive and a large target as well . The gloabal can be put in a hangar too.
i do remember drdo was making a maritme planar aray radar ? what ever happened to it ?. If the lstar antenna is capable of interleaving maritime search as well, then we dont need a dedicated maritme radar . from what you said the lstar antenna is bigger ie 24 ft compared to the 16 ft of the present radar which will give us more aperture thus power and range and discrimination as well ? correct? will it be a problem to mount the bigger antenna on the global 6000.? What was cabs idea in making a large 24 ft antenna/
so we can use the antenna interleaving air , land and sea search? correct?
what is our position in making GAN based modules for future radar? that could be a game changer . GAETEC is capable?
in the desi emb awacs there are 2 engine exhausts, on the tail, one for the APU and the other for/?
Prasun, 1)Is it likely that the Brahmos missile plugin is also being prepared for fitment into the Scorpenes during their midlife refit? 2)I heard that Atlas is trying to manufacture its sonar arrays in India.Is it true? 3) You had earlier provided details about the Delta IV and Rif missiles for the nuclear submarines.How far is the issue progressed till now? 4) Which torpedo is being purchased for the Kalvari class? 5)Is it true that the Navy is going to purchase ten more P8s and sikorsky helicopters initially only 22 and later in tranches? Regards!
Ok thanks. 1) how about this report?? 600+ expected?? Hope mtu engine has been optimised... Else volvo 1500 was only option left... A new transmission system on board??? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/dec/08/indias-indigenously-designed-arjun-mk-1a-clears-trials-ready-to-go-into-production-2073023.amp 2) Schuman resonance is known to have reached 160 as of 6th December 2019. That's really really high. Normal is 7.83hz last jump was to 36 in 2014.. now this. What's your observation?? Seems humans psyche n brain functionality gonna change at a very large extent.... Even weather too ... What u say about it??
To KAUSTAV: It is shopfloor-level negligence, i.e. inconsistency of QA/QC application. This in turn is due to high level of manual activites & non-application of industrial robotics. And this inj turn is due to inadequate fundings being made available by the MoD. Meanwhile, do have a laugh after watching Pakistan’s ‘intellectuals’ at their wits’ end WRT the J & K issue:
Do note that back in the previous decade the GCHQ had enlisted the services of Vodafone UK for accessing the electronic traffic flowing through the submarine cables of India’s Reliance Communications. Countries like India have yet to create infrastructure like the GCHQ & that perhaps explains why the GoI has been taking so long to restore mobile telephony & internet connectivity in J & K.
To RAD: Lithium-Ion batteries will soon begin replacing lead-acid batteries that are dangerous to handle & require lots of maintenance, but such batteries require recharging every 7 days for delivering about 25mWe. Hence, second-generation AIP power generators have been developed for recharging the Lithium-Ion batteries, like these:
How & from where can the DRDO obtain design & engineering data pertaining to the Scorpene SSK if not from NAVAL GROUP? If such data is not obtained from the SSK’s OEM, how then will the AIP module be engineered to conform to the SSK’s pressure-hull volume & all the piping/electrical interfaces? Only the SSK’s OEM can supply all such data/parameters to the entity developing the AIP module.
And here’s a documentary on Adolf Tolkachev, whose espionage activities led to the IAF first ordering MiG-23MFs & then the MiG-29B-12 in the early & mid-1980s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoQnXvI0ni4
In fact, so accurate was the information provided by Tolkachev to the CIA that the US initially refused to believe it & in order to corss-check, the CIA had to launch a parallel espionage operation in Delhi back in 1982 for seeking data on the MiG-23MF’s fire-control system & that’s why the Larkins Brothers were approached by the CIA to obtain such data from IAF HQ.
To THE INDIAN: 1) Why should a SSK carry vertically-launched BrahMos-1 missiles when the SSK’s surface search radar can look out to a range of only 50km (horizon)? Instead, the projected BrahMos-NG that is narrower & smaller & can be fired from existing torpedo tubes is a far better option. 2) No, not arrays, but the ACTAS suite is being licence-assembled by L & T. 3) That was for the projected S-5/S-6/S-7 SSBNs, whose construction won’t commence until the latter half of the following decade. 5) I had been stating since 2014 that the IN requires a total of 28 P-8Is in all. As for NMRHs, the IN requires two 12-tonne NMRHs for each of its DDGs & two 10-tonne NMRHs for each of its FFGs & one 10-tonne NMRH for each of its ASW corvettes. So once you do the math, you will easily obtain the total numbers & types of NMRHs reqd by the IN.
To SUVO: Indian TV channels are hopelessly behind the latest news developments concerning India’s immediate neighbourhood. Here are the latest developments:
PAF EX Hawk-Eye Night Operational Exercise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIVGYfN9mt0
To AMIT BISWAS: From both INS Vikramaditya & Project 71/IAC-1/INS Vikrant the naval MRCA to be used will be the MiG-29K, but for the projected IAC-2 CATOBAR carrier, the Super Hornet & Rafale-M are the only contenders. The IN is insisting on a CATOBAR design because it wants the Northrop Grumman E-2D Hawkeye AEW platform & is therefore not interested in acquiring AEW helicopters for IAC-2.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: 1) Not 600, but only 118 units. And not Volvo, but Cummins engine. The principal drawback of the Arjun Mk.1A is the turret-mounted RCWS since it restricts the 360-degree view of the commander’s panoramic sight. Hence, the sight needs to be elevated further. Secondly, the 68-tonne weight reduces the power-to-weight ratio of the MBT, due to which this MBT cannot be the optimum solution for rapidly advancing into hostile territory. Hence such MBTs will be used for defensive purposes only in areas where the likelihood of armoured battles taking place is almost nil, i.e. along the IB in Punjab, Rajasthan & Gujarat. For offensive operations, the IA will continue to rely on the T-90S powered by both 1,000hp & now the 1,350hp powerpacks that offer superior power-to-weight ratios.
If the S-5/6/7 start construction after 2025, they should be ready in the 2031-35 time frame. With the 6000 km+SLBM beginning flight tests in 2023 or so, as per what you said earlier, the SLBM should have undergone several flights from a pontoon by the time the S-5, etc. go for trials. Is this a correct reading of the future ?
Dear Prasun, Thanks for clarifications. Recently there was news about procurement of Barett M95 and Beretta victrix scorpio sniper rifles. Are both these sniper rifles being inducted?
What happened to LMG procurement?
Half of the Kalvari class boats are inducted and yet no news on the procurement of blackshark or any other torpedoes. Why?
Prasun Da,thanks for the links.How pathetic the condition of Balochistan! Here is the latest from Tarek Fatah: https://youtu.be/w3nWpd2hlVs And again it is interesting.
To SATYAKI: The S-5 SSBN won’t be available till 2035 at best. Hence the 6,000km-range SLBM should be available by then, but the S-4 SSBN will be used for test-firing both this SLBM & the K-4 SLBM.
To VED: The different types of sniper rifles are for the IA & the CAPFs like the BSF. LMG procurement is still being processed. The F-21 HWT will be procured in due course for the Scorpene SSKs as well as for the SSBNs.
To AMIT BISWAS: Thse are routine exercises held thrice a year.
To MOHAN: Several possibilities exist for a limited conventional war before 2024. In fact, this why more & more former Pakistani diplomats are getting more & more desperate by the day & are coming up with possibilities like this:
To SUVO: Wakhan Corridor Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc4FTApaBRk
Pakistan’s version of a National S & T Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qws-F5ALhUk
To DASHU & KAUSTAV: India by law has a geographic contiguous border with Afghanistan through the 106km abutting Wakhan Corridor in the Badakhshan province that separates Afghanistan from Gilgit Baltistan in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK). India has always claimed its right over PoK. The Indian maps show PoK as Indian territory and hence one can argue that India does share a border with Afghanistan. However, India’s own Union Ministry for Home Affairs does not recognise any border with Afghanistan. The official document recognises that India has border only with Bangladesh (4,096.70km), Pakistan (3,323km), China (3,488km), Nepal (1,751km), Bhutan (699km), and Myanmar (1,643km).
It now appears that Citizen Amendment Bill (CAB) will sail through Rajya Sabha also. HM Amit Shah declared his intentions with respect to NRC also that he wants to present the NRC bill ASAP. This will soon lead, as it appears as of now, to Uniform Civil Code by next year. Given the objections raised to CAB by House Foreign Relations Committee through their twitter account today and with Indian economy loosing its sheen, what exactly is the kind of endgame we are looking at. Also, one thing which I am now noticing in Lok Sabha is that Amit Shah have started taking lead in things with PM Modi sidestepping on some matters. Is there something to read here?
India has its own map. China has its own map. Doesn't recognize Indian control over Arunachal Pradesh, Kashmir, etc...It's legal system says both belong to and are under Chinese control...remember the visa issue.
Both very large nations with massive issues. What is legal and what is not depends on where one resides I guess. The only important point is what is accepted by the UN and the world?
In your opinion when are they going to have a war to sort this out? The gap in capabilities between the two nations is only increasing. Some have suggested they are traveling in opposite directions, what is your take on this?
M88 is having 75KN afterburner thrust whereas MiG 29k has >80kn afterburner thrust.... So in this way M88 will be under powered for MiG 29k. Also MiG 29k is heavier then Rafale-M. MiG29k may get decommissioned if navy gets better aircraft... I am not sure if they will go for change of hangers etc on ships at their MLU or ever for accommodating new aircraft.
And lastly, during the EX Eagle Strike-2015 joint training exercise in November 2015 held in Thailand, the J-11s & Su-27SKs of the PLAAF’s 6th Air Regiment belonging to the 2nd Air Diviision in Thailand prevailed over the RTAF’s JAS-39Cs in within-visual-range air combat, but were defeated in beyond-visual-range air combat. This was revealed by a recent report of China’s Northwestern Institute of Technology.
To ANIONE: All I can say is that even though the intentions may be noble, the methodology adopted for policy implementations can & have almost always gone horribly wrong. Theere are too many domestic issues that either exists or are being created that distract the decision-makers from looking at the larger global & regional picture.
To ARIF SHAIKH: Pakistan can never buy any US-origin military hardware without the approval of the US State Department. And why the sudden interest in F-16s? Aren’t the much-touted JF-17s living up to the mark? Or have they discovered certain performance deficiencies in the JF-17? Another bunch of Pakistan-based ‘fanboys’ are now talking about new magnificent delusions, like importing unnamed air-defence systems from Russia, after having failed to procure the T-90S MBTs about which wild rumour-mongering was abundant 2 years ago:
To RUPERT: IBs can only be settled & defined by the countries sharing the IB. The UN or any third-country/third-party has nothing to do with it.
To VINODJ: It is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Because Russia-developed turbofans come with their gearboxes attached above the turbofan, whereas Western turbofans contain the gearboxes at the bottom-part iof the turbofan. Consequently, if a Western airframe has to accept a Russia-supplied turbofan, then the airframe’s mid-fuselage design will have to undergo a thorough change & vice versa.
To RAT2: The US has its own plans & reasons for de-nuclearising Pakistan & therefore does not need to undertake such a mission just for India’s sake.
The #CABill shall pass all legal scrutiny & challenges in Supreme Court or other international forum. It merely facilates relatively faster citizenship for some persecuted religious minorities, not just Hindus, from Afghanistan, Pakistan & Bangladesh. Granting of aslyum to all else who are persecuted remains as it was in law & even naturalisation or Citizenship to migrants continues. Protests in NE are anti-Bengali that too targeting Hindu Bengalis which is ethnic hatred & discrimination. The Hindu vote in West Bengal just fell into the BJP's lap.
If the USA sanctions Amit Shah, because of the US Commission on Iternational Religious Freedom (USCIRF) recommendations he becomes a hero in India. Public opinion will harden for him. Protests by Imran Khan & Pakistan while being hilariously ridiculous helps the governing party in India. Unless the opposition downplays its opposition to #CAB, it is essentially finished. The opposition can make headway by focusing only on economy, but opposing on #CAB will be suicidal.
BTW, the Citizenship Amendment Bill, as explained here lucidly by Harish Salve is pro- minority & does not violate the Indian Constitution in any way. https://youtu.be/OLm1RF1NrG8
As predicted by you with your usual clarity & with reference to my previous post, the Citizenship Amendment Bill & the now proposed nationwide National Registry of Citizens will come in useful when these Islamic fundoos in Bandladesh realise their Quixotic ambitions are just hot air and they inevitably turn their attention to the poor Hindus there. An exchange of population will take place if the Hindu Bengalis from Bangladesh are forced out to India & the identified, under NRC, illegal Bangladeshi Muslims have to go to Bangladesh under this Exchange Scheme. Cynical, Alarming, Yes but unfortunately is what's going to happen, most probably.
Your answer to SUVO regarding Su-27/J-11. What are the implications in IAF/PAF scenario ? We have already come off worst in one engagement. Does it mean they will always have advantage over our SU-30MKIs in BVR?
Are there any rumors regard how J-16 have performed against the JF-17s in the Shaheen exercises between PLAAF & PAF? I am wondering if they have managed to really reduce its RCS?
The term Union of India has been used for legal cases filed with the Indian Supreme Court because until late last October, the verdicts of the Indian Supreme Court were not automatically applicable to the State of J & K, meaning unless the erstwhile J & K State Legislature approved the Indian Supreme Court’s rulings, the J & K High Court could not accept or endorse the Indian Supreme Court’s verdicts as binding on the state of J & K. Now that this discrepancy has been removed, the GoI will change the wordings from Union of India to Republic of India.
To MURTHY: That’s like saying after India sucured the unconditional surrender of Pakistani forces in East Pakistan on December 16, 1971 & brought all the Pak PoWs to India from inside East Pakistan, the coast was free for West Pakistan to send new forces for securing & sustaining East Pakistan. You are thus not applying rationality to the debate. For, if indeed Pakistan were to be forcibly de-nuclearised, it stands to reason that the victorious powers will ensure that: 1) there’s a corresponding regime change in Pakistan as well, & 2) the denuclearised Pakistan is forced by the international community to become a full-fledged member of the NPT regime.
To RAT: Your comments show a persistent trend that’s indicative of constant over-simplification & an eagerness to embrace the always irrational Pakistani narrative lock,stock & barrel. For instance, how can you prove that the IAF came off worst in one engagement? If you are referring to the February 27 engagements, then an IAF MiG-21 Bison shooting down a PAF F-16 will unquestionably qualify as the best-ever engagement, while repeated unsuccessful attempts by the PAF to engage IAF Su-30MKIs with AMRAAMs easily qualify as the worst engagement for the PAF. And while the IAF did produce radar tracks to prove that a PAF F-16 was downed, no such evidence of this type/quality has been tabled to date by either Pakistan or the US. And as for the engagements between the PLAAF’s J-11s/Su-27UBKs & the RTAF’s JAS-39C Gripens, they were ‘controlled air warfare scenarios’ that were played out in which neither side was allowed to make use of any ASPJ suites, either internally-mounted or pod-mounted externally. In actual wartime air battles, such limitations will not exist & hence any Su-27-derived platform equipped with ASPJ suite will be fully capable of neutralising any inbound BVRAAM. Nor are there any fixed RCS quantums, since frontal & rear RCS quantums always differ. Consequently, RCS is the least issue of concern during dissimilar beyond-visual-range air combat.
China's Version of Terrorism in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4cYE6E27_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT57tZrqWDQ&bpctr=1576094562 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lXr4a113sU
Perspectives on Russia‒China Relations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jypNv_Y2rAc
Pity the low turnout for this seminar & it only shows the hollow intellectualism prevailing in Delhi that explains why practically no one is interested in such a vital topic.
I always try to be objective. This ensures that I can ask the difficult questions. It does however mean that I can be wrong, but it gives me a chance to learn and improve. I always thought you had enough sheep here anyhow.
Regarding the Feb 27th incident. I was shocked at the result, because IAFs budget is many times their budget (4 times as much) and we had the best aircraft in Asia. I have read a lot on this incident from all sources. Why do I think we came off worse:
-They came during the day and targeted our army HQs, whilst we targeted their terrorist facility - we have admitted this.
-They shoot Mig-21 down, bloody our pilot, in full international glare.
-Our best aircraft SU-30MKI is dodging AMRAAMS and not firing back. Our ROE allows them to fire when fired upon and when they are trying to hit our bases (one of them was hosting our Gens meeting).
-We claim to have shot down an F-16, yet independent analysts admit no missile was fired from Mig-21, Pakis have showed them. They have invited people to inspect them. USA report says they counted all aircraft. IAF have no proof otherthan a still radar screenshot, which can be spoofed. Independent analysts (including some ex-IAF) did not buy it either. Hence I discount this.
-PAF claim to have shot down SU-30MKI, yet they have no proof apart from what they have shown to some British journalist. We showed an exploded AMRAAM, which according to USA sources can only explode when it hits something. We have not provided a count of our SU-30MKIs. I discount this too.
-We shot down our own helicopter with mid-ranking officers in it during their strike. This is a war loss caused by panic and their attack.
They dominated the whole incident and gained air superiority. Whereas we thought they will fly their aircraft to Iran. The invincibility of SU-30MKI is no more.
How can we say we didn't come off worst, if we look at this objectively to learn lessons and improve?
1-why CAB now & upset Bangladesh , which currently has a friendly regime , same goes for Afghans. Why not the same for Srilanka tamils with Indian roots..This will open pandoras box in the future as some political parties may use it to extend it to Malaysia, Indonesia etc 2- will light tanks like Spurt SDM1 from russia with better armour be a good buy for the mountainous regions 3-China is executing the russia-china gas pipeline worth $400bln ..while India offered a partly $1.5Bln loc to that region.would extending that pipeline via nepal with russia being the guarantor ensure that we keep both china & russia in check while ensuring our energy security
https://twitter.com/Frontalfire/status/1205150578772512773?s=19 Your comments on this....?? What's the strategy going on behind those closed doors of Rawalpindi??
To RAT2: Leave alone objectivity, you are continuing to dabble in irrationalities. For instance, firstly your ASSUMPTION that just because the IAF spends 4 times more than the PAF, then it, according to you, means that all that amount is being spent to counter ONLY Pakistan, as if the IAF does not have to allocate resources for defending Indian airspace anywhere else. This is highly indicative of the single-track Pakistani mindset that spews out a narrative about the PAF existing to counter ONLY the IAF & no one else. Secondly, there’s no evidence anywhere to even suggest or imagine that Indian military facilities were targetted for destruction. In fact, even the PAF has admitted to only targetting the forested vegetation north of the IA’s FSD at Narian & its videoclip was subsequently shown by the PAF. Consequently, all claims of 4 Indian military targets being hit by the PAF have since been rubbished by the PAF’s own displayed evidence. In fact, the evidence clearly reveals that the remaining 3 attack-runs were aborted in haste after the PGMs were prematurely ejected before the targetting process even began. Thirdly, also in full international glare, a PAF F-16 was shot down & its video footage still exists in YouTube. The so-called independent analysis about no AAMs being fired by any IAF MiG-21 Bison was no third-party analysis, but images uploaded by the Pak ISPR. No one else was allowed to either inspect them or videograph them. And since when has ‘dodging’ AAMs become a cowardly act? Going official with radar intercept imagery says a lot, i.e. in private the complete recording of such continuous air situation pictures is always shared with friendly countries. Most significantly, neither the PAF nor the US has so far questioned the authenticity of such data. Now, coming to the expended AMRAAMs, since according to you an AMRAAM explodes only when it hits ‘something’, let me reveal to you what that ‘something’ is:
A second AIM-120C-5 that was probably fired against Wg Cdr Abhinandan’s wingman failed to hit its target (due to being spoofed by the EL/M-8222 ASPJ pod) and consequently it slammed into Mamankote Mallas village, Reasi, and caused an explosion that spread splinters and missile parts within a radius of 100 metres.
So, in the end we are left with the following: 1) Only 1 PGM was expended & that too way off its targetted point of impact. 2) Attack-runs on 3 other targets were aborted in haste. 3) None of the F-16s succeeded in achieving effective lock-ons to either the Su-30MKIs or the Mirage-2000s airborne at that time. 4) The PAF has to date not even provided any verifiable evidence about how many of its MRCAs were airborne during this engagement & exactly how many succeeded in entering India-controlled airspace. Hence, when all this is juxtaposed against your claims, it clearly emerges that you are dead-opposed to both LOGICAL REASONING & the LOGIC OF SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY, & instead are more inclined to reach emotive conclusions based upon your assumptions that are not backed-up by credible/verifiable data. And all this in turn clearly indicates from which direction you have been heading & what your intentions were, are & will always be.
One query remains on this old matter from various lessons learnt, as you have already pointed out. That the IAF is aggressive in controlling it's own airspace inspite of shortages & all air action took place over Pakistan (Balakot KPK) & POK too. More acquisitions are being made, SOPs being enforced (the blue-on-blue MI-17).
But will all combat aircraft be equipped with RWRs & SPJs in view of the fact that both Air Forces seem to be preparing for BVR action?
India will ofcourse retain it's edge in CCM & dogfights, but BVR miisiles shall continue to be a threat, increasingly more & can best be handled over enemy airspace with ASPJs.
To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) In Sri Lanka there exists 2 different types of Tamil communities: the Jaffna Tamils who are the natives of the soil; and those Tamils whose forefathers were brought in by the colonial Brits as plantation workers. Colombo believes the latter to be stateless who ought to return back to India. Hence, the CAB does not mention Sri Lanka. One may also recall that back in 1962 Myanmar under the communist dictator Ne Win forcibly evicted the Tamil community of that country, just as the present-day Myanmar does not recognise as the natives of the soil even though they are of mixed bloodlines, i.e. ethnic Myanmarese who had inter-married with the immigrants of undivided pre-Partition Bengal & had settled down in the Arakan (Rakhine) region. 2) Even light tanks need roads for movement. If no such roads exist, then even light tanks or any other type of armoured vehicle will not be able to manoeuvre. 3) Why should the pipeline travel as far east as Nepal when it can enter India through J & K? Meanwhile, this videoclip is doing the rounds now:
To ASHISH GAUTAM & KAPIL: It is FAKE NEWS, since Pakistan will always be hell-bent upon preserving the UNSC resolutions on J & K. But matters seem to be moving in another direction, as per this report:
To KAUSTAV: That is a given, since the Super Su-30MKI upgrade project as well as the projected Tejas Mk.1A programme aims at installing such very defensive avionics on-board. The Rafales will come with all such mission avionics installed, while the MiG-29UPGs & upgraded Mirage-2000s already have them. In addition, the Rudras, LCHs, AH-64E Apaches & CH-47F Chinooks also have RWR/LWR/MAWS suites, while the Mi-171s & Mi-17V-5s will be retrofitted with such suites as well.
Hello Prasun, there are three types of Tamizhs in Illangai (Lanka), North and East native Tamizhs who did not fall for Ashoka of Magadh Buddhist marketing, second Muslims originally residing in South Tamil Nadu coast moving to Lanka in 16 century when they lost hegemony to Dutch,and anyways they do not call themselves Tamizhs and the plantation workers moved to areas around Kandy. Thanks, Ganesh
Poor Rat2.... 😂 Bhai galat jgh panga le rahe ho, yaha dhang se le li jayegi tumhari 😂😂. Jokes apart- 1) so going by logical reasoning, CAB is basically for accepting large chunks of Hindus from Bangladesh, u once in an answer to someone said that by 2022 large number (around 1.5crore) Hindus will migrate from Bangladesh to India coz of situation deteriorating in that country for Hindus. Will this move serve as a catalyst for BJP in upcoming WB vidhan sabha elections?? 2) practically i suspect that NRC will be implemented, Coz throwing out such large number of Rohingyas n Bangladeshi infiltrators won't be easy. How govt can implement it,?? N will Myanmar n BD will accept their citizens?? If not accepted what can we do?? Kill them like hitler killed Jews?? What's the way out?? 3) kapil sibbal n company will keep on visiting supreme court/UN for their so called human rights etc... U know i actually feel that for sometime we need a leader like hitler or Kim Jong un....
How you see the protest in North East states. Non bjp govt declaring not to implement CAB. Do they have authority to such... How you see CAB affecting relationship with Bangladesh.
Sir sorry to add 2nd comment as it comes after u saw various videos of lots of marches in WB, Kolkata malda murshidabad region N violence in Assam. Reason is same #CAB. Tomorrow momta having big ralley in kolkata, n. Damn sure uske bad turant kuch bada ho skta hai vaha may be a big riot... Coz rally mei vo mostly Muslim centric rakhegi... Aj bhi jume ki namaz k bad scene hua hai. Can we see union govt exercising art 356 to throw off state govt n sending in army n Capfs to control situation?? As per my contacts airforce has already started moving forces from Kashmir to WB n army also being prepared. Large number of off record killings gonna happen, frankly speaking I fear bengal "mei kuch aisa ho skta hai ki log godhra bhool jayenge" friend from bengal only said so. Your take??
and who on earth are the Tamizhs? Badh-Tamizh like you? LMFAO. By the way even I am a Badhtamizh how I can swap between my name and Anonymous and no one even notices ha ha ha
To ASHISH GAUTAM & BUDDHA: The NRC/CAB issues are multi-dimensional in nature that require deep assessment. For instance, in today’s world, it is IMPERATIVE/MANDATORY to have a NRC, in fact in India this could easily have been done since the 1950s itself everytime a national census was conducted. In countries like Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand & Indonesia, where their independence was followed in the 1950s & 1960s by insurgencies & subversive activities, those countries were quick to realise the importance of a NRC & they introduced national identity cards in those decades itself. In India, the 1985 Assam Accords mandated that the GoI conduct an NRC starting with Assam & if proven to be successful, then this could be expanded to include all other states & UTs of India. The problem was especially acute in 3 states sharing boundaries with first East Pakistan & later Bangladesh, i.e. Assam, Tripura & Meghalaya. There, large-scale migrations first took place in 1940 during the Bengal famine, in 1946 after the Noakhaali riots, again in 1948 after Partition, then in 1956, 1965, 1971 & 1993. Consequently, only in Assam today, 19 lakh people have been declared as illegals of which only 7 lakh are Muslims & all the rest are Hindus. If the NRC was to be conducted in Meghalaya & Tripura as well, then the number of ‘illegal’ Hindus residing in the North east will go up much more. In Tripura, this has changed the demography due to which Bengali settlers form 80% of the state’s population today, In Sikkim, Nepali settlers account for 62% of the state’s population, reducing the natives (Bhutias & Lepchas) to a minority. In Assam, the situation is far less serious if one takes only the 35% Muslim population there into account. But if one adds to this number the Bengali settlers that migrated from April 1971 onwards, then the situation gets very alarming for the local Ahoms of Assam, because the non-native populace of Assam then outnumbers the Ahoms who in turn now also have to accommodate the Bodo hill-tribes who have since been resettled in the plains of Assam. Obviously this constitutes an unacceptable state of affairs in a country where states were created on linguistic basis. Consequently, the ideal solution would have been to accord Bengali-speaking settlers of Assam, Tripura & Meghalaya Indian citizenship, but not Assamese DOMICILE, with 1998 being the cut-off year. In addition, had India accurately documented the migrations from Bangladesh up to then, then the GoI should have pressured Bangladesh to part with some of its real estate (i.e. surrender land to India) where such settlers could have been accommodated. This to day is the biggest problem thrown up by the NRC, i.e. all those identified as illegals, be they Nepalese or Bengalis, have nowhere else to go even if granted Indian citizenship.
Logically, if both Bangladesh & Nepal do not want to get their citizens deported back, then they need to provide India with other forms of compensation, i.e. part with portions of their lands because the land now available to states like Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya, Sikkim, & WB is too little for accommodating the settlers. And if in future there’s once again domestic instability inside Bangladesh, then 1.97 crore Bengali-speaking Hindus will make a beeline for India. Where would they be accommodated? It is uncertainties like these that are causing fear & anger within the North East, as explained here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCmTEf23fDI
As concerns the refugees hailing from Pakistan & Afghanistan, they number no more than 32,000 & the CAB covering them poses no controversy at all. The implementation of CAB thus has the worst repercussions for the North East, plus Sikkim & WB. From this, we can only conclude that the methodology adopted by this GoI for implementing both the NRC & CAB has not been well-thought-out, & is consequently being executed with paleolithic efficiency. This in turn is having a ripple effect in terms of raising unwarranted fears through wild rumour-mongering within the hinterland of India, largely due to an unprecedented disinformation campaign being waged by some TV channels, like this programme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15n-At7QNHs&t=25s
Lastly, the GoI’s representatives, such as the present-day Union MHA Minister, has used absolutely the wrong type of words to describe friendly countries like Afghanistan & Bangladesh. For instance, neither of the 2 are theocratic states, nor is Bangladesh an Islamic State. Bangladesh’s Constitution still contains the words SOCIALIST & SECULAR, & both Afghanistan & Bangladesh have written Constitutions & thus they are not governed by theocratic edicts of Mullahs. In fact, the only theocratic state in the world today is Iran. All this leads me to conclude that the current crop of ruling ‘netas’ are not a well-read lot. It will be good if they absorb some of the factoids mentioned here:
MALAISE: Absence of a clear policy, lack of accountability for defence public sector units and a perennial fund crunch—these are the reasons listed by experts as to why Narendra Modi government’s flagship ‘Make in India’ programme failed to take off in the defence sector. REMEDY: The DPSUs should have been subjected to govt divestment way back in the early 1990s.
MALAISE: Giving an example of the importance of self-reliance, Gen V P Malik said during the Kargil conflict, the Army had ordered for a purchase of two regiments of 155mm Denel guns from South Africa, but when the weapons were to be delivered, they said they don’t have them. REALITY: This was the famous case of Lt Gen Shamsher Mehta suggesting that the IA acquire the GHN-45 wheeled howitzers directly from South African Army stockpiles in case the IA was forced to cross the IB & extend the limited war to the plains of Chhamb/Sialkot sector.
MALAISE: The former Army chief also gave the example of satellite imagery, which when bought at a huge cost from another country, turned out to be three years old and futile for the forces. REALITY: He was referring to Israel.
MALAISE: Malik also spoke about weapon-locating radars, which the Army had to buy in 2003 at double the cost of the initial price, but ultimately it did not purchase them after the DRDO promised to develop the radars. REALITY: The cost actually went up when some not-so-smart Alec at IA HQ had mandated that the trucks housing the WLR be equipped with India-made tyres. It so happened that in order to accommodate such tyres, the entire rims of the wheels had to be re-engineered & re-built just so that the tyres could fit in. The IA is to be totally blamed for this bizarre cost-increase.
MALAISE: Cowshish highlighted the policy lacunae when it comes to implementing ‘Make in India’ in defence. “There is no clear policy on ‘Make in India’ in defence. Talking about indigenisation, what is it? Is it cost-saving or import-substitution or innovation? We are not clear,” he said. REALITY: Any industrial policy can only be a component of a far larger national security strategy, which, if not drafted & articulated, will never be able to provide long-term roadmaps for any policy implementation mechanism.
Does this mean Israel India relations will take a nosedive after this public revelation? I mean which friend would take advantage of another during such a critical time? At least one can justify the expenses as being commercially motivated business oriented, but selling 3 year old dodgy photos?
For last two decades Ayodhya Ram temple issue kept BJP/RSS in frontline politics. Now Ayodhya issue is over. Now CAB & NRC issue is taken.
1) Will CAB/NRC & Common Civil code issue slowly break India internally. 2) Former Chief Economic Adviser Arvind Subramaniam recently told Indian Economy is in ICU.
Now World is watching very closely India. In this situation will any foreign investor come to India to do Business. Already GDP is coming rapidly down.
Regarding your analysis on NRC no offence but it most stupidest thing to do. Ask for repatriation of illegal immigrants but asking for land is stupid.Obviously they won't cede territory.Will in addition make India look expansionist and will add to the fears of regional neighbours abt Indian bullying and will open space for china. Actually It is a cultural problem... not a real estate problem The solution is to either send them back to bangladesh or to spread them out in ROI
At 33:20 " we lost an MiG 21 as he crossed over his exhumberance to kill" means WC abhi took on F 16 wo any clearance and he is solely responsible for his mistake?? Is that Mr dhanoa hinting at??
In addition to your elaborate explanation about the NRC, I just wanted to make a couple of points based on my own experience of living in the North East as an outsider.
A majority of Hindu Bengalis who live in Assam i.e Goalparia Bengalis & Syleti Bengalis are indigenous unlike those of us who migrated to North East from Bengal in search of work.
In 1874 Assam was facing a major revenue deficit. To tide over that problem the Brits added Goalpara division (Lower Assam), Sylet and barak from Bengal province into Assam.
Even today 80% of Hindu Bengalis live in barak Valley remaining 20% in Lower Assam. In 1947 Congress handed over Sylet to Pakistan because they did not want Assam to become a Hindu Bengali state.
Subsequently throughtout the 50s,60s, 70s the Congress allowed lakhs of muslims from East Pakistan/B'desh to enter Assam and settle in Lower Assam(Goalpara, Dhubri, Bongaigaon, Kokrajhar) and Barak Valley. If you look at any/all the census carried out since '47 you'll notice that the % of Hindu Bengalis in Assam has decreased not increased.
It's only the muslim population that has been increasing. NRC made it worse because lakhs of Hindus (Bengalis, Hindi Speaking) who submitted testimonials were told that those documents cannot be verified by assam govt because assam govt did not keep any such records, hence they were labelled illegals.
Muslims in any case define themselves as Assamese so they cannot be expelled. Ergo, the total number of Hindus living illegally in Assam is just 6 lakhs (even RSS admitted it last week).
North Eastern states have always been racist and xenophobic. Illegal immigrants, Bangladeshis are just pretext used to target people from other parts of India. Assam has its own border police apart from BSF. How can these B'deshis enter without being stopped ?
Earlier this year in Shillong, innocent students studying at NIT, Shillong were targetted by locals simply because they came from North & South India.
90% of the revenue of NE states comes from the Center, IOW Indian tax payers money. They get 85% reservation, 100% reservation on land, 100% tax free income and a few dozen subsidies. This is frankly bleeding India dry.
Yet these freeloader states will use discriminatory laws like ILP, PRC to prevent the entry, leave alone settlement of people from other parts of India.
Prasun da, what's happening in your West Bengal? There was violence unleashed by Muslims in Murshidabad and some other places. Mamata Banerjee who herself talked about infiltrators in parliament in 2003 is now silent as usual. The MSM is totally silent. This is a trailer of what future awaits. I have long feared a Kashmir like jihadi insurgency in Bengal now I think it happen in the future.
Prasun sir is pro tmc and wb police which failed to stop vandalising trains third day today in uluberia....three days are enuf to control the voilence and vandalising the railways
To Sujoy Majumdar - Sir, you make an excellent point regarding NE specially anti-Bengali feeling in Assam & NE. I believe the realisation is already there that Muslim Bangladeshis posing as Assamese are the real culprits & Hindu Nengalis pose little risk to the Assamese, but economic disadvantage & the assumption that these poor people were in India & not hostile xenophobic territory might have made Hindus complacent to their disadvantage & not well integrated with Assam.
Prasunda, The Military Litfest at Chandigarh specially this particular presser was a rehash of popular positions by the same people but listening to all of them together was a treat
https://youtu.be/QiAxUfX3_vk
Wg.Cdr Joshi & ACM Dhanoa's viewpoints are accepted. It's certainly correct to heed the cautionary note by Shri.Pravin Sawhney regarding the then lack of SFDRs & still persistent deficiencies in communication, Electro-Magnetic spectrum & Cybernetic capability vis-a-vis PLAAF & PAF by extension because of their inter-operability, joint training etc. The PLAAF ofcourse has deficiencies but it's never wise to look at only what we like as you also have pointed out many times. Dr.Fair might be her pungent self but having a logical questioning mindset is better than living in cuckoo land. You have always presented both aspects & your previous posts as well as ACM Dhanoa's dig at the long bureaucratic delays coupled with political mismanagement shows that the IAF is indeed aware & trying to make up shortfalls. Our lack of indigenous technical & Industrial capabilities as well as overwhelming Chinese domination in technology markets is of course alarming. The ex-Army chief too highlights this lack of technological capability. Being more closely allied now with the US & Japan might remedy this unfortunate fact. Your Opinion Sir?
Prasun da, is there a global smear industry working against India? Especially Modi and Amit Shah? The western press has always been very critical of India. Even during UPA time they were negative - mostly on rapes. But ever since Modi became PM their hostility has crossed all limits. Have you noticed how the western media NYT, WaPo and all others use the term 'Hindu nationalist' in each and every article/report they do on Modi, BJP and GoI? Nationalism is a bad word in the West. In India it's not. They probably know this and yet use this term in western context for Modi and his govt. They went crazy on Kashmir after 370 was scrapped. Criticism regarding political detentions and cutting off internet (done to save lives) is understandable for once since it doesn't happen in the West but what creates suspicion is that they never once mentioned Islamic terrorism or about the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits let alone the Valmikis who were forced to work as sanitation workers and West Pakistan refugees who were denied all basic rights. Now they have gone mad on CAB and painting Modi and Amit Shah as fascists. The US foreign affairs committee shared a very negative NYT story about CAB on twitter. While the wordings of the tweet was restrained and our MEA gave a befitting response, question is why did they do that? The whole world knows what these chutiyas - sorry to use this word - are doing to imigrants in their own country by separating children from their families and yet they have the audacity to give gyan to rest of the world. One US agency is even calling for sanctions on Amit Shah. Strong and confident countries don't give a damn about these things and I'm sure no one in the govt is worried about all this. But what is the reason behind such immense hatred? What wrong have we done that we are being vilified like this?
Thanks for info on NRC n caa. Let's see what happens. About chandigarh lit fest where people presented their views/thoughts on Balakot op. 1) Mr Sawhney spoke well on domain of EM warfare, our weaknesses even on time of Balakot n in present too. Critic comments by him were good but not well. PAF did better then us in terms of EM warfare i don't agree with him completely coz yes they managed to jam our comms for sometime but dodging of 5 AMRAAMs by su30mki was a great success on our side. Also he said that su30s took off n they didn't knew where to go n landed back i was laughing at that time on him that how can such a matured aged person make such a claim?? Where did he got such info from?? Coz in your Balakot thread it was clearly mentioned that su30s were actually flying away from location of skirmish on 27 Feb. N frankly speaking I rely much more then on your info then his. What u say about it?? 2) Sawhney sir said that PAF us getting some good enough EMW systems n ryt now their entire focus is on fine tuning PAF in various zones, how u see this comment as?? What should we do now to maintain effective edge on them. 3) our Astra n other AAMs which r actively guided ka/ku band seekers may turn out to be useless if PAF gets good enough ka/ku band jammers like we have. What can be done to improve performance of present missiles in arsenal in terms of seeker specially to overcome this problem?? Installation of IR cum radar seeker in present missiles is possible upgrading their flight computers n all accordingly? Or will it require a fully new missile? 4) sir 1 thing is clear su30mki even being better aircraft then f16 f18 lags in terms of sensors n more actually in terms of weapons. To me Underperforming BVRAAM Russian missiles are main cause of it, what can we do to improve performance of our su30mki in this domain to keep edge over adversaries?? 5) Astra 2 will have what NEZ?? Can we develop it to have NEZ of 70-80kms keeping weight under limits of 250kg with SFDR?? seeker gonna be only radar one (quite possible to get jammed) or IR cum radar seeker?? Coz if we hv good enough IR on board we can have a much higher kill probability, may be even 100%. 6) u have already told about super su30mki upgrade package etc. Question is since russian AESA tech is still under refinement n may take time to get matured what can be done to improve performance of present radar of aircraft n IRST too? coz am not sure if their new IRST is as good as other counterparts be it French or Americans. 7) lady in that fest Ms Fair was quite upset with F16 getting shot down by bison n it was clearly visible from her opening comments saying if u can shoot down mighty (so called) F16 with bison then u don't need new aircraft n blah blah blah, bechari ka business hit hua lgta hai F16 k girne se 😂😂 F21 ka mmrca jeetna or mushkil 😛. Jokes apart do u think that govt may directly order additional 114 rafale's for airforce "if they closely analyse our present situation n need of aircrafts in large qty to maintain edge"?? Coz su30mki upgrade may eat up to 5years n still we aren't sure how will it perform after upgrading especially in terms of radar n other sensors. Just for example i don't know if new engine of 145kn afterburner thrust will be able to give upto 4-5 sorties per day. 8) ACM dhanoa accepted shortfall in tech availablity at time of skirmish n frankly said that s400 may be able to fill the gap till some extent but we need much more system's. It was clearly about Sam's. What u see aa a roadmap now for new inductions in terms of SAM capability & how soon?? Will this thing force folks to establish a national air defence system integrated one?? Or still going on with same old school tacts?? Thanks.
1Please educate us about IDex. Has this initiative been successful, so far ?
2 One of the technology that iDex is seeking from Indian startups is Friend or Foe identification System. Why are they asking for this system ? Hasn't DRDO already developed such a system in the past.
Is ISRO going to launch its new SSLV without ground testing any of the stages ? There has been no news so far of any stage of the SSLV being ground tested.
Sir 1.what happened to the purchase of mig 29 for iaf? Is it getting delayed due to funds or the need for more numbers than 21 as it was reported? 2.has hal luh obtained certification when do you think it will enter service? 3.what happened to the purchase of mh 60r? 4.do you think there will be a follow on orders for large numbers of sig 716 for the army? 5.when do you think the contract for naval luh will be signed?
To MILLARD KEYES: What for? And why? Nobody here is suspecting any party to have any malafide intentions. Isreal only provided the best that it had at that time.
SENTHIL KUMAR: I’m afraid all your fears are misplaced partly due to miscommunication on the part of the GoI. If only the GoI clarifies that the methodology to be adopted for the NRC process for the rest of India will be totally different from that implemented in Assam, then all apprehensions will be laid to rest. Meanwhile, here’s something far more worthwhile for you to focus upon:
To KOLLA: Bangladesh has already stated several times before that what India claims are illegals from Bangladesh are in fact not Bangladeshis at all & therefore Bangladesh will not accept even one of them back. Where does that leave India? It is not a cultural problem, but a demographic one & that too for an overpopulated country like India.
To AMIT BISWAS: Yes, that’s what he was alluding to.
To VENKY: 1) It is the HELINA. 2) That would be ideal, but the two attack helicopters make use of totally different fire-control systems. 20mm cannon was selected at a time when the 30mm cannon wasn’t available for import by India.
To KAPIL: What’s meant by ‘your West Bengal’? In fact, all states & UTs of India are also ‘mine’ just as I belong to all of them & am a stakeholder in their welfare/prosperity. No one is silent & in fact WB has already officially stated that the affected areas of North 24 Paragana, South 24 Pargana, Kolkata, Howrah, Murshidabad, Malda, Birbhum, Hooghly, West Midnapore, Nadia, East and West Burdwan—are the worst-hit. Five of 12 affected districts—Murshidabad, Malda, South and North 24 Paragana, Nadia—are located near the international border and have a Muslim population of close to 50%. And as I have explained above, existing fears about NRC are misplaced partly due to miscommunication on the part of the GoI. If only the GoI clarifies that the methodology to be adopted for the NRC process for the rest of India will be totally different from that implemented in Assam, then all apprehensions will be laid to rest.
To JUST_CURIOUS: It’s all FAKE NEWS & I had already highlighted it all earlier in this very thread.
To SATYAKI: It is very much possible if the different stages all belong to past SLVs that have already proven themselves. Meanwhile, the most interesting development will be Mobile Launchers using multi-axle heavy-duty off-road vehicles like the TEL being developed for the Agni-5 ICBM.
To PRATAP: There are an equal number of objective assessments being done in the West, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeXc6XJ0QAY&t=3s
To KAUSTAV & ASHISH GAUTAM: All those issues will be addressed in a very short while in the next thread, which will for the very first time explain what exactly is the NCTR mode of operation that ACM Dhanoa had mentioned. This was a major revelation by him, although I had explained it a few times before over the past few years. But for the very first time, I will be explaining it in detail with slides that will help one understand the contemporary air combat tactics. Pravin sawhney was dead-wrong about the Su-30MKIs & Mirage-2000s being clueless. In fact, he made this ill-advised remark because he was unaware of what the NCTR mode of operation is all about. Furthermore, the PAF is indeed procuring additional sensors like air-defence radars, but not EW suites. The following thread will answer most of your other queries.
Dear Prasun,
ReplyDeleteHow does this AIP technology (PAFC) better than other AIP technology used by Swedish and German submarines? Can it be fitted in Kilo class and HDW subs as well?
Funtastic information. Please do analysis of P75I.
ReplyDeleteWow nice thread sir, well informed one.so when will we see this AIP fitted in our ssk?
ReplyDelete2) PN is getting some hangor class submarines apart from scorpene, $350 million per unit i think. Their underwater warfare arm is really getting strong n we are still living in some fool's paradise coz of our politicians who r not releasing funds for navy... PN will be having a upper hand in underwater warfare very soon sir what u say??
3) coz of this local production clause, our submarines cost almost 2.5X more then OEM cost right??
4) why govt is not allowing pvt co.s like l&t etc to develop their own r&D centres for designing n producing ships subs?? Why govt doesn't givr them assurance that we will buy your stuff provided u meet all parameters?? Same is condition in drone tech, rifle tech too... A banglore based company developed snipers of different calibres n i think these sarkari babus r not even giving them chance to compete, or if given then too won't buy their stuff coz commission khana hai....
5) i hope that this p75I project must stop. N navy should scrap this tender n go for SSNs like barracuda class, that would be ideal choice as SSNs are far more better then SSKs... Either modified arihant class or like 6 purchased 6 made here. That would be best for us. I remember that you have been always supporter of SSNs over SSKs.
Request u to kindly answer questions in last thread too... 😊
Thanks.
Thanks for information. I read your blog on a regular basis & keep myself updated.
ReplyDeleteRegards,
Anand
Dear Sir, regarding the visit of sweden illumaniries to India last week, and the given human right prespective of EU & to some extent US on kashmir 1. Are we discussing any closed door agreement on kashmir with world powers.
ReplyDeletePrasun,
ReplyDelete- There have been contradictory news about desi AIP... one where it says the land trails have started and they r onn track for retor fitment on kalavari class and the more recent ones where it says that the P75i will have a forein AIP
- this one relates to afghanistan is an interesting assessment , eye opening if true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZCJSSqvxpY .. plx share your assesment on the same & its authenticity.. looks like china & others are making strides in Afghan ,, while we, who have invested the maximum have nothing to show
- in my prev thread I wanted to ask you about the emergency purchase of 21 mig 29's which IAF was crying hoase abut..its suddenly gone quiet.. is it no longer an emergency with news of Iaf being busy with firming up specs for MRFA.. same for super sukhoi
- Recent news on navy chief saying the IN is not looking for 200 ships by 2026 which was the earlier plan.. how does it cover for the loss in quantity
- what type of deficiencies have been showing up on kestrel, if you can share
Dada our new IAC1 vikrant 's floppy got stolen, Somebody enters Dassault' s office, our Scorpene files and information gets released over the Internet. What's going on?
ReplyDeletePrasun Da,
ReplyDeleteQ(1) Which 8×8 wheeled ICV is best for us? How quickly we get them?
Q(2) Is there any news about procurement of BMPT terminator like FSV?
Q(3) Any news about self-propelled 120mm breach loaded mortar?
The TATA kestrel. Does it not fit into wheeled ICV requirement?
DeleteRegards
Venky
PN navy is not even a blue water Navy how can it even challenge IN?
ReplyDeleteThey don't like the Chinese stuff, its not of the same standard as our material.
IN is one of the finest in the world. Stop scare mongering.
The biggest problem is we (IAF) seem to have LOST confidence in the SU-30MKI. IAF is nolonger sure of being able to get air superiority over area's of conflict, e.g. Pak airspace. That will leave our ground forces and cities vulnerable.
RAT2
Prasun da,
ReplyDeleteWhy bidding for 8*8 icf when drdo and ia is testing kestral? And when the contract get award it will take another 4-5 years to complete delivery
2. Your RV foresee any ind pak limilted war in near future?
To VED: This MAREEM AIP module has been developed (with technical assistance from France’s NAVAL Group) to fit in to the single-hulled CM-2000 Scorpene SSK. It can also be accommodated on the single-hulled Class 209/Type 1500 SSK provided some re-engineering of the AIP module’s dimensions are undertaken. However, for the double-hulled Type 877EKM/Kilo-class SSK, the re-engineering & hull modification costs will be prohibitive, since the design of the Type 877EKM/Kilo-class SSK is not available to anyone in India.
ReplyDeleteTo SRIRANGA: I had already done an assessment of Project-75I 4 years ago in which I had stated that procuring a new-design single-hulled SSK will be a financial disaster. Hence, common-sense dictates that the IN continue procuring more CM-2000 Scorpene SSKs with either the MAREEM AIP module or with Lithium-Ion Battery-based AIP solution. Advantage of the latter is that irt consumes far less space than other AIP Module solutions like Stirling Engine or MAREEM.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: 2) Funds are available, but are not being made public. For example, the IN’s CNS during his press-conference refused to answer anything about nuclear matters, even though the IN already operates 2 nuclear-powered submarines & will get its third nuclear-powered submarine in another 2 years. In the ASW arena, what the IN requires most are: 1) 12-tonne & 10-tonne shipborne NMRHs. 2) Towed-array active/passive sonars for all its DDGs & FFgs. 3) Thin-line towed array sonar for its SSKs. 3) Correct. 4) Because the country’s decision-makers still haven’t figured out how to create & sustain a financially viable military-industrial complex.
To RISHI: Had already answered it on November 23, 2019 at 4:05AM.
To ASHUTOSH: Why should any such matter be discussed especially when the situation is already returning back to normal?
To JUST_CURIOUS: The half-life of the MAREEM AIP module has already been established, i.e. uninterrupted operation for 14 days. Once the total technical service life of the module is established, it will be ready for series-production sometime in early 2022. The Kestrel 8 x 8 requires customisation & ruggedisation, which can be achieved only after the vehicle has been subjected to user-trials. Right now, such trials are still ongoing.
To SUVO: 1) What is best will only emerge when the contenders are subjected to mobility & firepower trials in-country. 2 & 3) No.
To RAT2: Which type of IAF-operate MRCA is able to achieve air superiority inside hostile/contested airspace will become known only when such MRCAs are given the go-ahead to enter & prevail inside hostile airspace. As of now, there’s nothing to indicate that the Su-30MKIs are sub-optimal or are unable to carry out the taskings assigned to them. In fact, on the morning of February 27, 2019 the Su-30MKIs successfully neutralised the threats posed by AIM-120C-5 AMRAAMs & that’s precisely what the PAF has till this day shied away from revealing exactly how many AMRAAMs were fired on that day.
To VENKY: The Kestrel requires further ruggedisation.
To MOHAN: 1) Because had the Kestrel been developed by OFB, then the MoD would easily have nominated OFB for the contract. But since the Kestrel has been developed with DRDO’s help by a private-sector company, the charade of competitive evaluations has to be played out. 2) Depends on what is meant by ‘near future’.
Prasunda,
ReplyDeleteMore than new weapons, the quality of the existing ammunition, sourced from OFB or otherwise seems to complicate things for the Army in particular & Armed Forces in general.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/shoddy-ammo-from-ordnance-factories-hitting-military-cag/articleshow/72411387.cms
Could you shed some light on the Quality Assurance, Performance & Reliability with Repeatability issues of the Weapons & Ammo used by the Army. All services seem to be struggling with these issues. Is it also a question of proper storage & use of ammo or just lack of QA during production? How can this be rectified? OFB, HAL, BDL etc. all have such issues.
My query is - Does India have it worse off than other nations such as Russia or China in terms of quality or reliability of whether Missiles, Guns, Ammo or even Aircraft, Ships, Tanks & Weapon/Radar/Sensor Systems? (I leave US / West / Japan / SoKo out of this.)
ReplyDeleteHI prasun
you suggested that the future subs should have li-ion batt or aip , was the li-ion bat meant to replace the existing batt or an addition towards better submerged time like the AIP.Is it not cost prohibitive as we dont have the tech for li-ion control power circuitry?. japan has done that,have they replce the lead acid , and what are the main advantages they have experienced?.
what is e power requirement of of AIP in a sub?
you mentioneds thatthe m desi AIP was helped by the French , i understand it is a totaly desiproduct , where did the french come in ?
now that the Arjum mk1a seems to have been made , do you see any furure forit ? i ist true it out classes the t-90 s in all spheres?
its heartenening to know that cabs is working on GMTI software and it is more or less done, for the lstar antenna
I think the way forward is to go the global 6000 way instad of arguing with russia for their rusty old il-76 airframes and getting caught int their web for spares and other reliabliity propblems .
As for the front section radar coverage a proven aesa radar like the 2052 with a large aperture for the front installed in the nose should do the job. Only a 60 degree cone at he back will be blind , but that is acceptable .
or is it possible to make a large antenna for the front nose cone ,using the same modules of the lstar and use the existing hardware in a time sharing mode?
other wise the mechanical risk of and cost and time of trying to put a rotodome on a A 330 , flight test it ,is cost prohibitive and a large target as well . The gloabal can be put in a hangar too.
i do remember drdo was making a maritme planar aray radar ? what ever happened to it ?. If the lstar antenna is capable of interleaving maritime search as well, then we dont need a dedicated maritme radar . from what you said the lstar antenna is bigger ie 24 ft compared to the 16 ft of the present radar which will give us more aperture thus power and range and discrimination as well ? correct? will it be a problem to mount the bigger antenna on the global 6000.? What was cabs idea in making a large 24 ft antenna/
so we can use the antenna interleaving air , land and sea search? correct?
what is our position in making GAN based modules for future radar? that could be a game changer . GAETEC is capable?
in the desi emb awacs there are 2 engine exhausts, on the tail, one for the APU and the other for/?
Prasun,
ReplyDelete1)Is it likely that the Brahmos missile plugin is also being prepared for fitment into the Scorpenes during their midlife refit?
2)I heard that Atlas is trying to manufacture its sonar arrays in India.Is it true?
3) You had earlier provided details about the Delta IV and Rif missiles for the nuclear submarines.How far is the issue progressed till now?
4) Which torpedo is being purchased for the Kalvari class?
5)Is it true that the Navy is going to purchase ten more P8s and sikorsky helicopters initially only 22 and later in tranches?
Regards!
Prasun Da,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the reply.
Here is a news:
https://youtu.be/gZCJSSqvxpY
Your views please.
https://twitter.com/arunp2810/status/1200115011479314433?s=20
ReplyDeleteThis tweet indicates indian navy will order one more sqdrn of MiG 29 K ??
Ok thanks.
ReplyDelete1) how about this report?? 600+ expected?? Hope mtu engine has been optimised... Else volvo 1500 was only option left... A new transmission system on board???
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/dec/08/indias-indigenously-designed-arjun-mk-1a-clears-trials-ready-to-go-into-production-2073023.amp
2) Schuman resonance is known to have reached 160 as of 6th December 2019. That's really really high. Normal is 7.83hz last jump was to 36 in 2014.. now this. What's your observation?? Seems humans psyche n brain functionality gonna change at a very large extent.... Even weather too ... What u say about it??
Sirji our air chief isn't fitting to frame in this whats ur take :)
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/OC_Jaguars/status/1203740830738964480?s=20
To KAUSTAV: It is shopfloor-level negligence, i.e. inconsistency of QA/QC application. This in turn is due to high level of manual activites & non-application of industrial robotics. And this inj turn is due to inadequate fundings being made available by the MoD. Meanwhile, do have a laugh after watching Pakistan’s ‘intellectuals’ at their wits’ end WRT the J & K issue:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IIi5zDy87Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SntQ5LSZh20
And here are some excerpts of the UK’s electronic snooping/cyber warfare capabilities:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN744Pcr3W4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRHrCF6dKwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2GRLtL8bfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOKagYM9OP4
Do note that back in the previous decade the GCHQ had enlisted the services of Vodafone UK for accessing the electronic traffic flowing through the submarine cables of India’s Reliance Communications. Countries like India have yet to create infrastructure like the GCHQ & that perhaps explains why the GoI has been taking so long to restore mobile telephony & internet connectivity in J & K.
To RAD: Lithium-Ion batteries will soon begin replacing lead-acid batteries that are dangerous to handle & require lots of maintenance, but such batteries require recharging every 7 days for delivering about 25mWe. Hence, second-generation AIP power generators have been developed for recharging the Lithium-Ion batteries, like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rBL54Hdixw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTKBPmsc480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYOuvEsLKo8
How & from where can the DRDO obtain design & engineering data pertaining to the Scorpene SSK if not from NAVAL GROUP? If such data is not obtained from the SSK’s OEM, how then will the AIP module be engineered to conform to the SSK’s pressure-hull volume & all the piping/electrical interfaces? Only the SSK’s OEM can supply all such data/parameters to the entity developing the AIP module.
And here’s a documentary on Adolf Tolkachev, whose espionage activities led to the IAF first ordering MiG-23MFs & then the MiG-29B-12 in the early & mid-1980s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoQnXvI0ni4
In fact, so accurate was the information provided by Tolkachev to the CIA that the US initially refused to believe it & in order to corss-check, the CIA had to launch a parallel espionage operation in Delhi back in 1982 for seeking data on the MiG-23MF’s fire-control system & that’s why the Larkins Brothers were approached by the CIA to obtain such data from IAF HQ.
To THE INDIAN: 1) Why should a SSK carry vertically-launched BrahMos-1 missiles when the SSK’s surface search radar can look out to a range of only 50km (horizon)? Instead, the projected BrahMos-NG that is narrower & smaller & can be fired from existing torpedo tubes is a far better option. 2) No, not arrays, but the ACTAS suite is being licence-assembled by L & T. 3) That was for the projected S-5/S-6/S-7 SSBNs, whose construction won’t commence until the latter half of the following decade. 5) I had been stating since 2014 that the IN requires a total of 28 P-8Is in all. As for NMRHs, the IN requires two 12-tonne NMRHs for each of its DDGs & two 10-tonne NMRHs for each of its FFGs & one 10-tonne NMRH for each of its ASW corvettes. So once you do the math, you will easily obtain the total numbers & types of NMRHs reqd by the IN.
ReplyDeleteTo SUVO: Indian TV channels are hopelessly behind the latest news developments concerning India’s immediate neighbourhood. Here are the latest developments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA9rbVy08dI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogJRk6sJ7Ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj5Kio4Jr1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6luIRu_yEcI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxP25UMw5qQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXP7U4zxQ80
PAF EX Hawk-Eye Night Operational Exercise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIVGYfN9mt0
To AMIT BISWAS: From both INS Vikramaditya & Project 71/IAC-1/INS Vikrant the naval MRCA to be used will be the MiG-29K, but for the projected IAC-2 CATOBAR carrier, the Super Hornet & Rafale-M are the only contenders. The IN is insisting on a CATOBAR design because it wants the Northrop Grumman E-2D Hawkeye AEW platform & is therefore not interested in acquiring AEW helicopters for IAC-2.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: 1) Not 600, but only 118 units. And not Volvo, but Cummins engine. The principal drawback of the Arjun Mk.1A is the turret-mounted RCWS since it restricts the 360-degree view of the commander’s panoramic sight. Hence, the sight needs to be elevated further. Secondly, the 68-tonne weight reduces the power-to-weight ratio of the MBT, due to which this MBT cannot be the optimum solution for rapidly advancing into hostile territory. Hence such MBTs will be used for defensive purposes only in areas where the likelihood of armoured battles taking place is almost nil, i.e. along the IB in Punjab, Rajasthan & Gujarat. For offensive operations, the IA will continue to rely on the T-90S powered by both 1,000hp & now the 1,350hp powerpacks that offer superior power-to-weight ratios.
Prasunda,
ReplyDeleteIf the S-5/6/7 start construction after 2025, they should be ready in the 2031-35 time frame. With the 6000 km+SLBM beginning flight tests in 2023 or so, as per what you said earlier, the SLBM should have undergone several flights from a pontoon by the time the S-5, etc. go for trials. Is this a correct reading of the future ?
Satyaki
Dear Prasun,
ReplyDeleteThanks for clarifications.
Recently there was news about procurement of Barett M95 and Beretta victrix scorpio sniper rifles. Are both these sniper rifles being inducted?
What happened to LMG procurement?
Half of the Kalvari class boats are inducted and yet no news on the procurement of blackshark or any other torpedoes. Why?
Ex hawk eye should have regual night operatio s, then why PAF n media is highlighting the night high tempo ops...anything to do with IAF in this ??
ReplyDeletePrasun da,
ReplyDelete1."Depends on what is meant by ‘near future"
I mean to say before may 2024?
Prasun Da,thanks for the links.How pathetic the condition of Balochistan!
ReplyDeleteHere is the latest from Tarek Fatah:
https://youtu.be/w3nWpd2hlVs
And again it is interesting.
To SATYAKI: The S-5 SSBN won’t be available till 2035 at best. Hence the 6,000km-range SLBM should be available by then, but the S-4 SSBN will be used for test-firing both this SLBM & the K-4 SLBM.
ReplyDeleteTo VED: The different types of sniper rifles are for the IA & the CAPFs like the BSF. LMG procurement is still being processed. The F-21 HWT will be procured in due course for the Scorpene SSKs as well as for the SSBNs.
To AMIT BISWAS: Thse are routine exercises held thrice a year.
To MOHAN: Several possibilities exist for a limited conventional war before 2024. In fact, this why more & more former Pakistani diplomats are getting more & more desperate by the day & are coming up with possibilities like this:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1521226/india-kashmir-deterrence
To SUVO: Wakhan Corridor Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc4FTApaBRk
Pakistan’s version of a National S & T Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qws-F5ALhUk
To DASHU & KAUSTAV: India by law has a geographic contiguous border with Afghanistan through the 106km abutting Wakhan Corridor in the Badakhshan province that separates Afghanistan from Gilgit Baltistan in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK). India has always claimed its right over PoK. The Indian maps show PoK as Indian territory and hence one can argue that India does share a border with Afghanistan. However, India’s own Union Ministry for Home Affairs does not recognise any border with Afghanistan. The official document recognises that India has border only with Bangladesh (4,096.70km), Pakistan (3,323km), China (3,488km), Nepal (1,751km), Bhutan (699km), and Myanmar (1,643km).
https://mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/DEpartment_of_Border_23042018.pdf
Dear Prasun Sir,
ReplyDeleteIt now appears that Citizen Amendment Bill (CAB) will sail through Rajya Sabha also. HM Amit Shah declared his intentions with respect to NRC also that he wants to present the NRC bill ASAP. This will soon lead, as it appears as of now, to Uniform Civil Code by next year.
Given the objections raised to CAB by House Foreign Relations Committee through their twitter account today and with Indian economy loosing its sheen, what exactly is the kind of endgame we are looking at.
Also, one thing which I am now noticing in Lok Sabha is that Amit Shah have started taking lead in things with PM Modi sidestepping on some matters. Is there something to read here?
Hope, you have a great day ahead.
AniOne
Dear Sir
ReplyDeleteIs there Any chance of Pakistan getting More F 16s from US
Pakistani Fanboys are saying that
Their Government is Asking for One Squadron more in Exchange for Help
In Afghanistan
Prasun da,
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/i/status/1203244722799751169
Why the Union of India not the republic of India, are we still a dominion of British
So,
ReplyDeleteIndia has its own map.
China has its own map. Doesn't recognize Indian control over Arunachal Pradesh, Kashmir, etc...It's legal system says both belong to and are under Chinese control...remember the visa issue.
Both very large nations with massive issues. What is legal and what is not depends on where one resides I guess. The only important point is what is accepted by the UN and the world?
In your opinion when are they going to have a war to sort this out? The gap in capabilities between the two nations is only increasing. Some have suggested they are traveling in opposite directions, what is your take on this?
Rupert.
Prasunda,
ReplyDeleteIf Rafale M is selected for indian navy IAC-2, how feasible it is to refit MIG 29K with snecma M-88 to maintain commanality and improve reliability
M88 is having 75KN afterburner thrust whereas MiG 29k has >80kn afterburner thrust.... So in this way M88 will be under powered for MiG 29k. Also MiG 29k is heavier then Rafale-M. MiG29k may get decommissioned if navy gets better aircraft... I am not sure if they will go for change of hangers etc on ships at their MLU or ever for accommodating new aircraft.
DeleteWill USA still help us with AirLand war on Pakistan to de-nuke it?
ReplyDeleteRAT2
Dear Sir
ReplyDeleteWhat is the Cost of a A SINGLE MBRL
ROCKET
I tried to Google it but got no answer
I want to know the Cost of A Single
Smerch and Pinaka Rocket , Not the Entire Machine
To SUVO: Pakistan is mortgaging more & more real estate for obtaining funds for the fiscal budget:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaHqgbhVwag
Afghan Papers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac5D6og9Z54
Umarkot Today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY-aC_qSxSg
And lastly, during the EX Eagle Strike-2015 joint training exercise in November 2015 held in Thailand, the J-11s & Su-27SKs of the PLAAF’s 6th Air Regiment belonging to the 2nd Air Diviision in Thailand prevailed over the RTAF’s JAS-39Cs in within-visual-range air combat, but were defeated in beyond-visual-range air combat. This was revealed by a recent report of China’s Northwestern Institute of Technology.
To ANIONE: All I can say is that even though the intentions may be noble, the methodology adopted for policy implementations can & have almost always gone horribly wrong. Theere are too many domestic issues that either exists or are being created that distract the decision-makers from looking at the larger global & regional picture.
To ARIF SHAIKH: Pakistan can never buy any US-origin military hardware without the approval of the US State Department. And why the sudden interest in F-16s? Aren’t the much-touted JF-17s living up to the mark? Or have they discovered certain performance deficiencies in the JF-17? Another bunch of Pakistan-based ‘fanboys’ are now talking about new magnificent delusions, like importing unnamed air-defence systems from Russia, after having failed to procure the T-90S MBTs about which wild rumour-mongering was abundant 2 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zTRQqY5XkI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIz-S8nxC14
To SIDHARTH: It should be REPUBLIC OF INDIA.
To RUPERT: IBs can only be settled & defined by the countries sharing the IB. The UN or any third-country/third-party has nothing to do with it.
To VINODJ: It is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Because Russia-developed turbofans come with their gearboxes attached above the turbofan, whereas Western turbofans contain the gearboxes at the bottom-part iof the turbofan. Consequently, if a Western airframe has to accept a Russia-supplied turbofan, then the airframe’s mid-fuselage design will have to undergo a thorough change & vice versa.
To RAT2: The US has its own plans & reasons for de-nuclearising Pakistan & therefore does not need to undertake such a mission just for India’s sake.
The #CABill shall pass all legal scrutiny & challenges in Supreme Court or other international forum. It merely facilates relatively faster citizenship for some persecuted religious minorities, not just Hindus, from Afghanistan, Pakistan & Bangladesh. Granting of aslyum to all else who are persecuted remains as it was in law & even naturalisation or Citizenship to migrants continues. Protests in NE are anti-Bengali that too targeting Hindu Bengalis which is ethnic hatred & discrimination. The Hindu vote in West Bengal just fell into the BJP's lap.
ReplyDeleteIf the USA sanctions Amit Shah, because of the US Commission on Iternational Religious Freedom (USCIRF) recommendations he becomes a hero in India. Public opinion will harden for him. Protests by Imran Khan & Pakistan while being hilariously ridiculous helps the governing party in India. Unless the opposition downplays its opposition to #CAB, it is essentially finished. The opposition can make headway by focusing only on economy, but opposing on #CAB will be suicidal.
BTW, the Citizenship Amendment Bill, as explained here lucidly by Harish Salve is pro- minority & does not violate the Indian Constitution in any way.
https://youtu.be/OLm1RF1NrG8
Prasunda
ReplyDeletehttps://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/bangladesh-islamists-threaten-long-march-to-ayodhya-to-save-babri-masjid/525290
As predicted by you with your usual clarity & with reference to my previous post, the Citizenship Amendment Bill & the now proposed nationwide National Registry of Citizens will come in useful when these Islamic fundoos in Bandladesh realise their Quixotic ambitions are just hot air and they inevitably turn their attention to the poor Hindus there. An exchange of population will take place if the Hindu Bengalis from Bangladesh are forced out to India & the identified, under NRC, illegal Bangladeshi Muslims have to go to Bangladesh under this Exchange Scheme. Cynical, Alarming, Yes but unfortunately is what's going to happen, most probably.
The legal name of India is union of India and not Republic of India, that is de facto official name.
ReplyDeleteBut as under Art 1 of Indian constitution, Bharat is declared as Union of India, so the legal name is Union of India.
This had nothing to do with dominion status or not.
For this same reason all SC cases go under
So and so Vs Union of India ( not republic of india).
Dear Sir,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your response above.
Your answer to SUVO regarding Su-27/J-11. What are the implications in IAF/PAF scenario ? We have already come off worst in one engagement. Does it mean they will always have advantage over our SU-30MKIs in BVR?
Are there any rumors regard how J-16 have performed against the JF-17s in the Shaheen exercises between PLAAF & PAF? I am wondering if they have managed to really reduce its RCS?
RAT2
To ARPIT KANODIA: Official documents like Passports carry the words REPUBLIC OF INDIA, as shown here:
ReplyDeletehttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Indian_Passport_cover_2015.jpg
The term Union of India has been used for legal cases filed with the Indian Supreme Court because until late last October, the verdicts of the Indian Supreme Court were not automatically applicable to the State of J & K, meaning unless the erstwhile J & K State Legislature approved the Indian Supreme Court’s rulings, the J & K High Court could not accept or endorse the Indian Supreme Court’s verdicts as binding on the state of J & K. Now that this discrepancy has been removed, the GoI will change the wordings from Union of India to Republic of India.
To MURTHY: That’s like saying after India sucured the unconditional surrender of Pakistani forces in East Pakistan on December 16, 1971 & brought all the Pak PoWs to India from inside East Pakistan, the coast was free for West Pakistan to send new forces for securing & sustaining East Pakistan. You are thus not applying rationality to the debate. For, if indeed Pakistan were to be forcibly de-nuclearised, it stands to reason that the victorious powers will ensure that: 1) there’s a corresponding regime change in Pakistan as well, & 2) the denuclearised Pakistan is forced by the international community to become a full-fledged member of the NPT regime.
To RAT: Your comments show a persistent trend that’s indicative of constant over-simplification & an eagerness to embrace the always irrational Pakistani narrative lock,stock & barrel. For instance, how can you prove that the IAF came off worst in one engagement? If you are referring to the February 27 engagements, then an IAF MiG-21 Bison shooting down a PAF F-16 will unquestionably qualify as the best-ever engagement, while repeated unsuccessful attempts by the PAF to engage IAF Su-30MKIs with AMRAAMs easily qualify as the worst engagement for the PAF. And while the IAF did produce radar tracks to prove that a PAF F-16 was downed, no such evidence of this type/quality has been tabled to date by either Pakistan or the US. And as for the engagements between the PLAAF’s J-11s/Su-27UBKs & the RTAF’s JAS-39C Gripens, they were ‘controlled air warfare scenarios’ that were played out in which neither side was allowed to make use of any ASPJ suites, either internally-mounted or pod-mounted externally. In actual wartime air battles, such limitations will not exist & hence any Su-27-derived platform equipped with ASPJ suite will be fully capable of neutralising any inbound BVRAAM. Nor are there any fixed RCS quantums, since frontal & rear RCS quantums always differ. Consequently, RCS is the least issue of concern during dissimilar beyond-visual-range air combat.
Vedas & Physics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3f7_p1i8c
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p8B4ZIjkLc
Application of Vedic Science in Military: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTuqPpsNcoo
Space Technology & Vedas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mL2Ix-amwQ
Vedic Alternative to Charles Darwin's Theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFB_ONZ8tRc
Vedas & Aryans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQw2c5L-LUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2tWy9WJ7mw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J63Udr_cuaA
China's Version of Terrorism in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4cYE6E27_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT57tZrqWDQ&bpctr=1576094562
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lXr4a113sU
Perspectives on Russia‒China Relations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jypNv_Y2rAc
Pity the low turnout for this seminar & it only shows the hollow intellectualism prevailing in Delhi that explains why practically no one is interested in such a vital topic.
Dear Sir,
ReplyDeleteI always try to be objective. This ensures that I can ask the difficult questions. It does however mean that I can be wrong, but it gives me a chance to learn and improve. I always thought you had enough sheep here anyhow.
Regarding the Feb 27th incident. I was shocked at the result, because IAFs budget is many times their budget (4 times as much) and we had the best aircraft in Asia. I have read a lot on this incident from all sources. Why do I think we came off worse:
-They came during the day and targeted our army HQs, whilst we targeted their terrorist facility - we have admitted this.
-They shoot Mig-21 down, bloody our pilot, in full international glare.
-Our best aircraft SU-30MKI is dodging AMRAAMS and not firing back. Our ROE allows them to fire when fired upon and when they are trying to hit our bases (one of them was hosting our Gens meeting).
-We claim to have shot down an F-16, yet independent analysts admit no missile was fired from Mig-21, Pakis have showed them. They have invited people to inspect them. USA report says they counted all aircraft. IAF have no proof otherthan a still radar screenshot, which can be spoofed. Independent analysts (including some ex-IAF) did not buy it either. Hence I discount this.
-PAF claim to have shot down SU-30MKI, yet they have no proof apart from what they have shown to some British journalist. We showed an exploded AMRAAM, which according to USA sources can only explode when it hits something. We have not provided a count of our SU-30MKIs. I discount this too.
-We shot down our own helicopter with mid-ranking officers in it during their strike. This is a war loss caused by panic and their attack.
They dominated the whole incident and gained air superiority. Whereas we thought they will fly their aircraft to Iran. The invincibility of SU-30MKI is no more.
How can we say we didn't come off worst, if we look at this objectively to learn lessons and improve?
Apologies if this is too much to stomach!!!
RAT2
prasun,
ReplyDelete1-why CAB now & upset Bangladesh , which currently has a friendly regime , same goes for Afghans. Why not the same for Srilanka tamils with Indian roots..This will open pandoras box in the future as some political parties may use it to extend it to Malaysia, Indonesia etc
2- will light tanks like Spurt SDM1 from russia with better armour be a good buy for the mountainous regions
3-China is executing the russia-china gas pipeline worth $400bln ..while India offered a partly $1.5Bln loc to that region.would extending that pipeline via nepal with russia being the guarantor ensure that we keep both china & russia in check while ensuring our energy security
https://twitter.com/Frontalfire/status/1205150578772512773?s=19
ReplyDeleteYour comments on this....??
What's the strategy going on behind those closed doors of Rawalpindi??
To RAT2: Leave alone objectivity, you are continuing to dabble in irrationalities. For instance, firstly your ASSUMPTION that just because the IAF spends 4 times more than the PAF, then it, according to you, means that all that amount is being spent to counter ONLY Pakistan, as if the IAF does not have to allocate resources for defending Indian airspace anywhere else. This is highly indicative of the single-track Pakistani mindset that spews out a narrative about the PAF existing to counter ONLY the IAF & no one else. Secondly, there’s no evidence anywhere to even suggest or imagine that Indian military facilities were targetted for destruction. In fact, even the PAF has admitted to only targetting the forested vegetation north of the IA’s FSD at Narian & its videoclip was subsequently shown by the PAF. Consequently, all claims of 4 Indian military targets being hit by the PAF have since been rubbished by the PAF’s own displayed evidence. In fact, the evidence clearly reveals that the remaining 3 attack-runs were aborted in haste after the PGMs were prematurely ejected before the targetting process even began. Thirdly, also in full international glare, a PAF F-16 was shot down & its video footage still exists in YouTube. The so-called independent analysis about no AAMs being fired by any IAF MiG-21 Bison was no third-party analysis, but images uploaded by the Pak ISPR. No one else was allowed to either inspect them or videograph them. And since when has ‘dodging’ AAMs become a cowardly act? Going official with radar intercept imagery says a lot, i.e. in private the complete recording of such continuous air situation pictures is always shared with friendly countries. Most significantly, neither the PAF nor the US has so far questioned the authenticity of such data. Now, coming to the expended AMRAAMs, since according to you an AMRAAM explodes only when it hits ‘something’, let me reveal to you what that ‘something’ is:
ReplyDeletehttps://indianexpress.com/article/india/pakistan-f-16s-launched-two-amraams-one-missed-target-other-hit-mig-21-5614615/
A second AIM-120C-5 that was probably fired against Wg Cdr Abhinandan’s wingman failed to hit its target (due to being spoofed by the EL/M-8222 ASPJ pod) and consequently it slammed into Mamankote Mallas village, Reasi, and caused an explosion that spread splinters and missile parts within a radius of 100 metres.
https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/remnants-of-pak-missile-found-in-reasi-village/
So, in the end we are left with the following: 1) Only 1 PGM was expended & that too way off its targetted point of impact. 2) Attack-runs on 3 other targets were aborted in haste. 3) None of the F-16s succeeded in achieving effective lock-ons to either the Su-30MKIs or the Mirage-2000s airborne at that time. 4) The PAF has to date not even provided any verifiable evidence about how many of its MRCAs were airborne during this engagement & exactly how many succeeded in entering India-controlled airspace. Hence, when all this is juxtaposed against your claims, it clearly emerges that you are dead-opposed to both LOGICAL REASONING & the LOGIC OF SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY, & instead are more inclined to reach emotive conclusions based upon your assumptions that are not backed-up by credible/verifiable data. And all this in turn clearly indicates from which direction you have been heading & what your intentions were, are & will always be.
Dada, South Korean companies are back in POK urdupoint.com/en/business/pakistan-korea-agree-to-transfer-technology-779640.html
ReplyDeleteDelivery of S-400 were scheduled to begin from 2020 end, but now Rosoboronexport has said that it will start in September 2021. Why this delay?
Is it true? If yes then what should be India's response? twitter.com/Frontalfire/status/1205150578772512773
Prasunda
ReplyDeleteOne query remains on this old matter from various lessons learnt, as you have already pointed out. That the IAF is aggressive in controlling it's own airspace inspite of shortages & all air action took place over Pakistan (Balakot KPK) & POK too. More acquisitions are being made, SOPs being enforced (the blue-on-blue MI-17).
But will all combat aircraft be equipped with RWRs & SPJs in view of the fact that both Air Forces seem to be preparing for BVR action?
India will ofcourse retain it's edge in CCM & dogfights, but BVR miisiles shall continue to be a threat, increasingly more & can best be handled over enemy airspace with ASPJs.
To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) In Sri Lanka there exists 2 different types of Tamil communities: the Jaffna Tamils who are the natives of the soil; and those Tamils whose forefathers were brought in by the colonial Brits as plantation workers. Colombo believes the latter to be stateless who ought to return back to India. Hence, the CAB does not mention Sri Lanka. One may also recall that back in 1962 Myanmar under the communist dictator Ne Win forcibly evicted the Tamil community of that country, just as the present-day Myanmar does not recognise as the natives of the soil even though they are of mixed bloodlines, i.e. ethnic Myanmarese who had inter-married with the immigrants of undivided pre-Partition Bengal & had settled down in the Arakan (Rakhine) region. 2) Even light tanks need roads for movement. If no such roads exist, then even light tanks or any other type of armoured vehicle will not be able to manoeuvre. 3) Why should the pipeline travel as far east as Nepal when it can enter India through J & K? Meanwhile, this videoclip is doing the rounds now:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/sangnoamar/status/1204799181677686784
To ASHISH GAUTAM & KAPIL: It is FAKE NEWS, since Pakistan will always be hell-bent upon preserving the UNSC resolutions on J & K. But matters seem to be moving in another direction, as per this report:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/Jammu-and-Kashmir-out-of-U.N.-list-of-disputes/article15687886.ece?homepage=true
To KAUSTAV: That is a given, since the Super Su-30MKI upgrade project as well as the projected Tejas Mk.1A programme aims at installing such very defensive avionics on-board. The Rafales will come with all such mission avionics installed, while the MiG-29UPGs & upgraded Mirage-2000s already have them. In addition, the Rudras, LCHs, AH-64E Apaches & CH-47F Chinooks also have RWR/LWR/MAWS suites, while the Mi-171s & Mi-17V-5s will be retrofitted with such suites as well.
Hello Prasun, there are three types of Tamizhs in Illangai (Lanka), North and East native Tamizhs who did not fall for Ashoka of Magadh Buddhist marketing, second Muslims originally residing in South Tamil Nadu coast moving to Lanka in 16 century when they lost hegemony to Dutch,and anyways they do not call themselves Tamizhs and the plantation workers moved to areas around Kandy. Thanks, Ganesh
DeletePoor Rat2.... 😂
ReplyDeleteBhai galat jgh panga le rahe ho, yaha dhang se le li jayegi tumhari 😂😂.
Jokes apart-
1) so going by logical reasoning, CAB is basically for accepting large chunks of Hindus from Bangladesh, u once in an answer to someone said that by 2022 large number (around 1.5crore) Hindus will migrate from Bangladesh to India coz of situation deteriorating in that country for Hindus. Will this move serve as a catalyst for BJP in upcoming WB vidhan sabha elections??
2) practically i suspect that NRC will be implemented, Coz throwing out such large number of Rohingyas n Bangladeshi infiltrators won't be easy. How govt can implement it,?? N will Myanmar n BD will accept their citizens?? If not accepted what can we do?? Kill them like hitler killed Jews?? What's the way out??
3) kapil sibbal n company will keep on visiting supreme court/UN for their so called human rights etc... U know i actually feel that for sometime we need a leader like hitler or Kim Jong un....
Rat2 saying PAF achieved air superiority. Where? Inside there own airspace.
ReplyDeleteI am litterally laughing my ass off , suggesting air superiority by not even understanding what air dominance and air superiority means.
The handle is also very quite interesting. Those following this blog from old days, they know what it meant.
How you see the protest in North East states.
ReplyDeleteNon bjp govt declaring not to implement CAB.
Do they have authority to such...
How you see CAB affecting relationship with Bangladesh.
Sir sorry to add 2nd comment as it comes after u saw various videos of lots of marches in WB, Kolkata malda murshidabad region N violence in Assam. Reason is same #CAB. Tomorrow momta having big ralley in kolkata, n. Damn sure uske bad turant kuch bada ho skta hai vaha may be a big riot... Coz rally mei vo mostly Muslim centric rakhegi... Aj bhi jume ki namaz k bad scene hua hai. Can we see union govt exercising art 356 to throw off state govt n sending in army n Capfs to control situation?? As per my contacts airforce has already started moving forces from Kashmir to WB n army also being prepared. Large number of off record killings gonna happen, frankly speaking I fear bengal "mei kuch aisa ho skta hai ki log godhra bhool jayenge" friend from bengal only said so. Your take??
ReplyDeleteand who on earth are the Tamizhs? Badh-Tamizh like you? LMFAO. By the way even I am a Badhtamizh how I can swap between my name and Anonymous and no one even notices ha ha ha
ReplyDeleteTo ASHISH GAUTAM & BUDDHA: The NRC/CAB issues are multi-dimensional in nature that require deep assessment. For instance, in today’s world, it is IMPERATIVE/MANDATORY to have a NRC, in fact in India this could easily have been done since the 1950s itself everytime a national census was conducted. In countries like Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand & Indonesia, where their independence was followed in the 1950s & 1960s by insurgencies & subversive activities, those countries were quick to realise the importance of a NRC & they introduced national identity cards in those decades itself. In India, the 1985 Assam Accords mandated that the GoI conduct an NRC starting with Assam & if proven to be successful, then this could be expanded to include all other states & UTs of India. The problem was especially acute in 3 states sharing boundaries with first East Pakistan & later Bangladesh, i.e. Assam, Tripura & Meghalaya. There, large-scale migrations first took place in 1940 during the Bengal famine, in 1946 after the Noakhaali riots, again in 1948 after Partition, then in 1956, 1965, 1971 & 1993. Consequently, only in Assam today, 19 lakh people have been declared as illegals of which only 7 lakh are Muslims & all the rest are Hindus. If the NRC was to be conducted in Meghalaya & Tripura as well, then the number of ‘illegal’ Hindus residing in the North east will go up much more. In Tripura, this has changed the demography due to which Bengali settlers form 80% of the state’s population today, In Sikkim, Nepali settlers account for 62% of the state’s population, reducing the natives (Bhutias & Lepchas) to a minority. In Assam, the situation is far less serious if one takes only the 35% Muslim population there into account. But if one adds to this number the Bengali settlers that migrated from April 1971 onwards, then the situation gets very alarming for the local Ahoms of Assam, because the non-native populace of Assam then outnumbers the Ahoms who in turn now also have to accommodate the Bodo hill-tribes who have since been resettled in the plains of Assam. Obviously this constitutes an unacceptable state of affairs in a country where states were created on linguistic basis. Consequently, the ideal solution would have been to accord Bengali-speaking settlers of Assam, Tripura & Meghalaya Indian citizenship, but not Assamese DOMICILE, with 1998 being the cut-off year. In addition, had India accurately documented the migrations from Bangladesh up to then, then the GoI should have pressured Bangladesh to part with some of its real estate (i.e. surrender land to India) where such settlers could have been accommodated. This to day is the biggest problem thrown up by the NRC, i.e. all those identified as illegals, be they Nepalese or Bengalis, have nowhere else to go even if granted Indian citizenship.
ReplyDeleteCont’d below…
Logically, if both Bangladesh & Nepal do not want to get their citizens deported back, then they need to provide India with other forms of compensation, i.e. part with portions of their lands because the land now available to states like Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya, Sikkim, & WB is too little for accommodating the settlers. And if in future there’s once again domestic instability inside Bangladesh, then 1.97 crore Bengali-speaking Hindus will make a beeline for India. Where would they be accommodated? It is uncertainties like these that are causing fear & anger within the North East, as explained here:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCmTEf23fDI
As concerns the refugees hailing from Pakistan & Afghanistan, they number no more than 32,000 & the CAB covering them poses no controversy at all. The implementation of CAB thus has the worst repercussions for the North East, plus Sikkim & WB. From this, we can only conclude that the methodology adopted by this GoI for implementing both the NRC & CAB has not been well-thought-out, & is consequently being executed with paleolithic efficiency. This in turn is having a ripple effect in terms of raising unwarranted fears through wild rumour-mongering within the hinterland of India, largely due to an unprecedented disinformation campaign being waged by some TV channels, like this programme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15n-At7QNHs&t=25s
Lastly, the GoI’s representatives, such as the present-day Union MHA Minister, has used absolutely the wrong type of words to describe friendly countries like Afghanistan & Bangladesh. For instance, neither of the 2 are theocratic states, nor is Bangladesh an Islamic State. Bangladesh’s Constitution still contains the words SOCIALIST & SECULAR, & both Afghanistan & Bangladesh have written Constitutions & thus they are not governed by theocratic edicts of Mullahs. In fact, the only theocratic state in the world today is Iran. All this leads me to conclude that the current crop of ruling ‘netas’ are not a well-read lot. It will be good if they absorb some of the factoids mentioned here:
Bangladesh-India Competitive Benchmarking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOfSlxEPBc&t=53s
To GANESH: You are 100% correct.
Lots of skeletons are nowadays tumbling out of the closet, like these:
ReplyDeletehttps://theprint.in/defence/make-in-india-has-failed-in-defence-sector-experts-highlight-importance-of-self-reliance/334995/
MALAISE: Absence of a clear policy, lack of accountability for defence public sector units and a perennial fund crunch—these are the reasons listed by experts as to why Narendra Modi government’s flagship ‘Make in India’ programme failed to take off in the defence sector.
REMEDY: The DPSUs should have been subjected to govt divestment way back in the early 1990s.
MALAISE: Giving an example of the importance of self-reliance, Gen V P Malik said during the Kargil conflict, the Army had ordered for a purchase of two regiments of 155mm Denel guns from South Africa, but when the weapons were to be delivered, they said they don’t have them.
REALITY: This was the famous case of Lt Gen Shamsher Mehta suggesting that the IA acquire the GHN-45 wheeled howitzers directly from South African Army stockpiles in case the IA was forced to cross the IB & extend the limited war to the plains of Chhamb/Sialkot sector.
MALAISE: The former Army chief also gave the example of satellite imagery, which when bought at a huge cost from another country, turned out to be three years old and futile for the forces.
REALITY: He was referring to Israel.
MALAISE: Malik also spoke about weapon-locating radars, which the Army had to buy in 2003 at double the cost of the initial price, but ultimately it did not purchase them after the DRDO promised to develop the radars.
REALITY: The cost actually went up when some not-so-smart Alec at IA HQ had mandated that the trucks housing the WLR be equipped with India-made tyres. It so happened that in order to accommodate such tyres, the entire rims of the wheels had to be re-engineered & re-built just so that the tyres could fit in. The IA is to be totally blamed for this bizarre cost-increase.
MALAISE: Cowshish highlighted the policy lacunae when it comes to implementing ‘Make in India’ in defence. “There is no clear policy on ‘Make in India’ in defence. Talking about indigenisation, what is it? Is it cost-saving or import-substitution or innovation? We are not clear,” he said.
REALITY: Any industrial policy can only be a component of a far larger national security strategy, which, if not drafted & articulated, will never be able to provide long-term roadmaps for any policy implementation mechanism.
Does this mean Israel India relations will take a nosedive after this public revelation? I mean which friend would take advantage of another during such a critical time? At least one can justify the expenses as being commercially motivated business oriented, but selling 3 year old dodgy photos?
ReplyDeleteDear Prasun,
ReplyDeleteFor last two decades Ayodhya Ram temple issue kept BJP/RSS in frontline politics.
Now Ayodhya issue is over. Now CAB & NRC issue is taken.
1) Will CAB/NRC & Common Civil code issue slowly break India internally.
2) Former Chief Economic Adviser Arvind Subramaniam recently told Indian Economy is in ICU.
Now World is watching very closely India. In this situation will any foreign investor
come to India to do Business. Already GDP is coming rapidly down.
Please comment.
Regards
Senthil Kumar
Regarding your analysis on NRC no offence but it most stupidest thing to do.
ReplyDeleteAsk for repatriation of illegal immigrants but asking for land is stupid.Obviously they won't cede territory.Will in addition make India look expansionist and will add to the fears of regional neighbours abt Indian bullying and will open space for china. Actually It is a cultural problem... not a real estate problem
The solution is to either send them back to bangladesh or to spread them out in ROI
Kolla
https://youtu.be/QiAxUfX3_vk
ReplyDeleteAt 33:20 " we lost an MiG 21 as he crossed over his exhumberance to kill" means WC abhi took on F 16 wo any clearance and he is solely responsible for his mistake?? Is that Mr dhanoa hinting at??
Have the Indian armed forces selected the anti tank missile for LCH ?
ReplyDeleteShould not Apache & LCH have common missiles & rockets ?
Why was a 20 mm canon selected over a 30 mm for LCH ?
Regards
Venky
Prasun Da,
ReplyDeleteIn addition to your elaborate explanation about the NRC, I just wanted to make a couple of points based on my own experience of living in the North East as an outsider.
A majority of Hindu Bengalis who live in Assam i.e Goalparia Bengalis & Syleti Bengalis are indigenous unlike those of us who migrated to North East from Bengal in search of work.
In 1874 Assam was facing a major revenue deficit. To tide over that problem the Brits added Goalpara division (Lower Assam), Sylet and barak from Bengal province into Assam.
Even today 80% of Hindu Bengalis live in barak Valley remaining 20% in Lower Assam. In 1947 Congress handed over Sylet to Pakistan because they did not want Assam to become a Hindu Bengali state.
Subsequently throughtout the 50s,60s, 70s the Congress allowed lakhs of muslims from East Pakistan/B'desh to enter Assam and settle in Lower Assam(Goalpara, Dhubri, Bongaigaon, Kokrajhar) and Barak Valley. If you look at any/all the census carried out since '47 you'll notice that the % of Hindu Bengalis in Assam has decreased not increased.
It's only the muslim population that has been increasing. NRC made it worse because lakhs of Hindus (Bengalis, Hindi Speaking) who submitted testimonials were told that those documents cannot be verified by assam govt because assam govt did not keep any such records, hence they were labelled illegals.
Muslims in any case define themselves as Assamese so they cannot be expelled. Ergo, the total number of Hindus living illegally in Assam is just 6 lakhs (even RSS admitted it last week).
North Eastern states have always been racist and xenophobic. Illegal immigrants, Bangladeshis are just pretext used to target people from other parts of India. Assam has its own border police apart from BSF. How can these B'deshis enter without being stopped ?
Earlier this year in Shillong, innocent students studying at NIT, Shillong were targetted by locals simply because they came from North & South India.
90% of the revenue of NE states comes from the Center, IOW Indian tax payers money. They get 85% reservation, 100% reservation on land, 100% tax free income and a few dozen subsidies. This is frankly bleeding India dry.
Yet these freeloader states will use discriminatory laws like ILP, PRC to prevent the entry, leave alone settlement of people from other parts of India.
Prasun da, what's happening in your West Bengal? There was violence unleashed by Muslims in Murshidabad and some other places. Mamata Banerjee who herself talked about infiltrators in parliament in 2003 is now silent as usual. The MSM is totally silent. This is a trailer of what future awaits. I have long feared a Kashmir like jihadi insurgency in Bengal now I think it happen in the future.
ReplyDeletePrasun sir is pro tmc and wb police which failed to stop vandalising trains third day today in uluberia....three days are enuf to control the voilence and vandalising the railways
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ReplyDeleteSujoy Majumdar - Sir, you make an excellent point regarding NE specially anti-Bengali feeling in Assam & NE. I believe the realisation is already there that Muslim Bangladeshis posing as Assamese are the real culprits & Hindu Nengalis pose little risk to the Assamese, but economic disadvantage & the assumption that these poor people were in India & not hostile xenophobic territory might have made Hindus complacent to their disadvantage & not well integrated with Assam.
Prasunda,
ReplyDeleteThe Military Litfest at Chandigarh specially this particular presser was a rehash of popular positions by the same people but listening to all of them together was a treat
https://youtu.be/QiAxUfX3_vk
Wg.Cdr Joshi & ACM Dhanoa's viewpoints are accepted. It's certainly correct to heed the cautionary note by Shri.Pravin Sawhney regarding the then lack of SFDRs & still persistent deficiencies in communication, Electro-Magnetic spectrum & Cybernetic capability vis-a-vis PLAAF & PAF by extension because of their inter-operability, joint training etc. The PLAAF ofcourse has deficiencies but it's never wise to look at only what we like as you also have pointed out many times. Dr.Fair might be her pungent self but having a logical questioning mindset is better than living in cuckoo land. You have always presented both aspects & your previous posts as well as ACM Dhanoa's dig at the long bureaucratic delays coupled with political mismanagement shows that the IAF is indeed aware & trying to make up shortfalls. Our lack of indigenous technical & Industrial capabilities as well as overwhelming Chinese domination in technology markets is of course alarming. The ex-Army chief too highlights this lack of technological capability. Being more closely allied now with the US & Japan might remedy this unfortunate fact.
Your Opinion Sir?
Prasun da, is there a global smear industry working against India? Especially Modi and Amit Shah? The western press has always been very critical of India. Even during UPA time they were negative - mostly on rapes. But ever since Modi became PM their hostility has crossed all limits. Have you noticed how the western media NYT, WaPo and all others use the term 'Hindu nationalist' in each and every article/report they do on Modi, BJP and GoI? Nationalism is a bad word in the West. In India it's not. They probably know this and yet use this term in western context for Modi and his govt. They went crazy on Kashmir after 370 was scrapped. Criticism regarding political detentions and cutting off internet (done to save lives) is understandable for once since it doesn't happen in the West but what creates suspicion is that they never once mentioned Islamic terrorism or about the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits let alone the Valmikis who were forced to work as sanitation workers and West Pakistan refugees who were denied all basic rights. Now they have gone mad on CAB and painting Modi and Amit Shah as fascists. The US foreign affairs committee shared a very negative NYT story about CAB on twitter. While the wordings of the tweet was restrained and our MEA gave a befitting response, question is why did they do that? The whole world knows what these chutiyas - sorry to use this word - are doing to imigrants in their own country by separating children from their families and yet they have the audacity to give gyan to rest of the world. One US agency is even calling for sanctions on Amit Shah. Strong and confident countries don't give a damn about these things and I'm sure no one in the govt is worried about all this. But what is the reason behind such immense hatred? What wrong have we done that we are being vilified like this?
ReplyDeleteThanks for info on NRC n caa. Let's see what happens.
ReplyDeleteAbout chandigarh lit fest where people presented their views/thoughts on Balakot op.
1) Mr Sawhney spoke well on domain of EM warfare, our weaknesses even on time of Balakot n in present too. Critic comments by him were good but not well. PAF did better then us in terms of EM warfare i don't agree with him completely coz yes they managed to jam our comms for sometime but dodging of 5 AMRAAMs by su30mki was a great success on our side.
Also he said that su30s took off n they didn't knew where to go n landed back i was laughing at that time on him that how can such a matured aged person make such a claim?? Where did he got such info from?? Coz in your Balakot thread it was clearly mentioned that su30s were actually flying away from location of skirmish on 27 Feb. N frankly speaking I rely much more then on your info then his. What u say about it??
2) Sawhney sir said that PAF us getting some good enough EMW systems n ryt now their entire focus is on fine tuning PAF in various zones, how u see this comment as?? What should we do now to maintain effective edge on them.
3) our Astra n other AAMs which r actively guided ka/ku band seekers may turn out to be useless if PAF gets good enough ka/ku band jammers like we have. What can be done to improve performance of present missiles in arsenal in terms of seeker specially to overcome this problem?? Installation of IR cum radar seeker in present missiles is possible upgrading their flight computers n all accordingly? Or will it require a fully new missile?
4) sir 1 thing is clear su30mki even being better aircraft then f16 f18 lags in terms of sensors n more actually in terms of weapons. To me Underperforming BVRAAM Russian missiles are main cause of it, what can we do to improve performance of our su30mki in this domain to keep edge over adversaries??
5) Astra 2 will have what NEZ?? Can we develop it to have NEZ of 70-80kms keeping weight under limits of 250kg with SFDR?? seeker gonna be only radar one (quite possible to get jammed) or IR cum radar seeker?? Coz if we hv good enough IR on board we can have a much higher kill probability, may be even 100%.
6) u have already told about super su30mki upgrade package etc. Question is since russian AESA tech is still under refinement n may take time to get matured what can be done to improve performance of present radar of aircraft n IRST too? coz am not sure if their new IRST is as good as other counterparts be it French or Americans.
7) lady in that fest Ms Fair was quite upset with F16 getting shot down by bison n it was clearly visible from her opening comments saying if u can shoot down mighty (so called) F16 with bison then u don't need new aircraft n blah blah blah, bechari ka business hit hua lgta hai F16 k girne se 😂😂 F21 ka mmrca jeetna or mushkil 😛. Jokes apart do u think that govt may directly order additional 114 rafale's for airforce "if they closely analyse our present situation n need of aircrafts in large qty to maintain edge"?? Coz su30mki upgrade may eat up to 5years n still we aren't sure how will it perform after upgrading especially in terms of radar n other sensors. Just for example i don't know if new engine of 145kn afterburner thrust will be able to give upto 4-5 sorties per day.
8) ACM dhanoa accepted shortfall in tech availablity at time of skirmish n frankly said that s400 may be able to fill the gap till some extent but we need much more system's. It was clearly about Sam's. What u see aa a roadmap now for new inductions in terms of SAM capability & how soon?? Will this thing force folks to establish a national air defence system integrated one?? Or still going on with same old school tacts??
Thanks.
PrasunDa,
ReplyDelete1Please educate us about IDex. Has this initiative been successful, so far ?
2 One of the technology that iDex is seeking from Indian startups is Friend or Foe identification System. Why are they asking for this system ? Hasn't DRDO already developed such a system in the past.
http://idex.gov.in/challenges_cpt_category/disc-3/
Thank You
VIKRAM GUHA
Updated 5mins ago by ANI.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/ANI/status/1206222880414912512?s=19
Your take on this??
Prasunda,
ReplyDeleteIs ISRO going to launch its new SSLV without ground testing any of the stages ? There has been no news so far of any stage of the SSLV being ground tested.
Satyaki
Sir
ReplyDelete1.what happened to the purchase of mig 29 for iaf? Is it getting delayed due to funds or the need for more numbers than 21 as it was reported?
2.has hal luh obtained certification when do you think it will enter service?
3.what happened to the purchase of mh 60r?
4.do you think there will be a follow on orders for large numbers of sig 716 for the army?
5.when do you think the contract for naval luh will be signed?
Hi Prasun,
ReplyDeleteIs it true that Pakistan wants to Annex GB and Azad Kashmir into Pakistan and this will be done by end of Jan 2020?
Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri
To MILLARD KEYES: What for? And why? Nobody here is suspecting any party to have any malafide intentions. Isreal only provided the best that it had at that time.
ReplyDeleteSENTHIL KUMAR: I’m afraid all your fears are misplaced partly due to miscommunication on the part of the GoI. If only the GoI clarifies that the methodology to be adopted for the NRC process for the rest of India will be totally different from that implemented in Assam, then all apprehensions will be laid to rest. Meanwhile, here’s something far more worthwhile for you to focus upon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VFpyoGgbd0&t=135s
http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/article:kumari-kandam
http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/article:kumari-kandam-2
http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/dravida
To KOLLA: Bangladesh has already stated several times before that what India claims are illegals from Bangladesh are in fact not Bangladeshis at all & therefore Bangladesh will not accept even one of them back. Where does that leave India? It is not a cultural problem, but a demographic one & that too for an overpopulated country like India.
To AMIT BISWAS: Yes, that’s what he was alluding to.
To VENKY: 1) It is the HELINA. 2) That would be ideal, but the two attack helicopters make use of totally different fire-control systems. 20mm cannon was selected at a time when the 30mm cannon wasn’t available for import by India.
To KAPIL: What’s meant by ‘your West Bengal’? In fact, all states & UTs of India are also ‘mine’ just as I belong to all of them & am a stakeholder in their welfare/prosperity. No one is silent & in fact WB has already officially stated that the affected areas of North 24 Paragana, South 24 Pargana, Kolkata, Howrah, Murshidabad, Malda, Birbhum, Hooghly, West Midnapore, Nadia, East and West Burdwan—are the worst-hit. Five of 12 affected districts—Murshidabad, Malda, South and North 24 Paragana, Nadia—are located near the international border and have a Muslim population of close to 50%. And as I have explained above, existing fears about NRC are misplaced partly due to miscommunication on the part of the GoI. If only the GoI clarifies that the methodology to be adopted for the NRC process for the rest of India will be totally different from that implemented in Assam, then all apprehensions will be laid to rest.
To ANUP: That’s because they have an ‘attitude problem’.
ReplyDeleteTo VIKRAM GUHA: That is about land vehicle-mounted IFF transponders of the type shown here:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EK-EglWuH-U/UOqSHOHk17I/AAAAAAAADH8/ihzxK9cMWgI/s1600/MMW+CIFF-1.JPG
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-28Mjtc3Xyfs/UOqSM-HsF6I/AAAAAAAADIE/cTD1t5SiB34/s1600/MMW+CIFF-2.JPG
To JUST_CURIOUS: It’s all FAKE NEWS & I had already highlighted it all earlier in this very thread.
To SATYAKI: It is very much possible if the different stages all belong to past SLVs that have already proven themselves. Meanwhile, the most interesting development will be Mobile Launchers using multi-axle heavy-duty off-road vehicles like the TEL being developed for the Agni-5 ICBM.
To PRATAP: There are an equal number of objective assessments being done in the West, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeXc6XJ0QAY&t=3s
To KAUSTAV & ASHISH GAUTAM: All those issues will be addressed in a very short while in the next thread, which will for the very first time explain what exactly is the NCTR mode of operation that ACM Dhanoa had mentioned. This was a major revelation by him, although I had explained it a few times before over the past few years. But for the very first time, I will be explaining it in detail with slides that will help one understand the contemporary air combat tactics. Pravin sawhney was dead-wrong about the Su-30MKIs & Mirage-2000s being clueless. In fact, he made this ill-advised remark because he was unaware of what the NCTR mode of operation is all about. Furthermore, the PAF is indeed procuring additional sensors like air-defence radars, but not EW suites. The following thread will answer most of your other queries.