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Wednesday, April 10, 2019

How Modernisation of IAF’s Fleet of MRCAs Has Been Mis-Managed & Ill-Conceived Since The Mid-1990s

If anyone wants to go deep into why the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) fleet of multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA) was sub-optimally utilised on the morning of February 27, 2019 over the skies of Jammu & Kashmir, then the following details need to be taken into account.
MiG-21 Bison Upgrade Project Left Incomplete
To improve the beyond-visual-range (BVR) capability of its MiG-21bis light-MRCAs, the IAF in 1995 selected the Phazotron NIIR-developed Kopyo (Spear) multi-mode monopulse pulse-Doppler radar, which was to be fitted on to each of the 125 MiG-21bis at a cost of US$840,000 (Rs.2.89 crore) per unit. The Kopyo was to be used in both the air-defence and ground-attack role for guiding air-to-air missiles and air-to-ground precision-guided weapons. A CAG audit noticed conducted in November 2009 revealed that since its induction, the performance of the Kopyo had not been satisfactory due to various inadequacies in the air-to-ground range (AGR) mode. One of the reasons for the poor performance was the software, which was still under development/modification as of July 2009. The IAF stated in November 2010 that specialists from Phazotron NIIR were sent in November 2010 to India to load new applications software to resolve the inaccuracies in AGR mode. However, there was no improvement in the AGR mode further.
The audit also noticed from the report submitted by the IAF’s South-Western Air Command in December 2010 that missile integration checks were successfully completed only in December 2010. India’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) stated in November 2012 that AGR mode did remain inconsistent and inaccurate, but the BVR capability of an aircraft pertains to its capability to fire air-to-air missiles. The error in accuracy of AGR mode thus affected the delivery of air-to-ground weapons only and did not affect the BVR capability of the upgraded MiG-21 Bison fleet. The MoD also stated that further trials did not result in any significant inputs that could improve the AGR mode further. The MoD’s contention was in conflict with its reply on sub optimal performance of radar sub-assemblies and non-integration check of Vympel R-77/RVV-AE BVRAAMs till July 2009, which affected the MiG-21 Bison’s BVR capability during this period and expiry of life of several R-77s in December 2010.
The self-protection jammer (SPJ) is a critical electronic warfare (EW) equipment of any combat aircraft that contributes to the success of a mission. The MoD in February 1996 had procured 92 EL/L-8222 SPJ pods (82 for the IAF and 10 for the Indian Navy) from Israel Aerospace Industries’ ELTA Systems. Out of the 82 pods, 50 costing Rs.152 crore were for the MiG-21 Bisons, which were to be delivered between December 1997 and July 1999. However, these were actually delivered between August 2000 and December 2004. It was observed in February 2011 that during series upgradation, all the 125 MiG-21bis were modified for carriage of SPJ pods. However, only 50 SPJ pods were procured. A case was initiated by IAF HQ in July 2005 to procure an additional 36 SPJ pods for the MiG-21 Bisons to cater to 70% of the MiG-21 Bison fleet and the approval of the MoD’s Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) was obtained in January 2006. However, the proposal for procurement of additional SPJ pods was not processed in view of the limited residual life of the aircraft. Thus, only 43% of the MiG-21 Bison fleet was equipped with SPJ pods, leaving the remaining aircraft vulnerable to detection by hostile airborne multi-mode radars, thereby affecting the operational capability of IAF.
What also remains unexplained is why were multi-purpose SPJ pods (that can also accommodate guided-missiles and precision-guided weapons under them) available from OEMs like SaabTech of Sweden and TERMA of Denmark were never considered for procurement. Such fitments, interestingly, were available since the mid-1990s for light-MRCAs like Saab’s JAS-39 Gripen.  
As per the contract of March 1996, there was a provision for Transfer-of-Technology (ToT) for manufacture and repair/overhaul of the MiG-21 Bisons and their sub-systems by the MoD-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). However, ToT could not materialise in spite of the IAF’s efforts, as well as those of MoD and HAL. Hence, IAF HQ directed HAL in May 2003 not to pursue the ToT for manufacture of the aggregates and suggested to establish diagnostic and repair/overhaul facilities for the Kopyo radars and other sub-systems of the MiG-21 Bison on a fast-track basis by January 2008. A CAG audit observed in April 2010 that though the repair facilities for Kopyo had been established by August 2008, these facilities by March 2009 needed further instrumentation for diagnosis and testing at an additional estimated cost of Rs.4.50 crore by HAL. Further, the full complement of training on repair of LRUs of the Kopyo could not be imparted by the OEM specialists due to non-availability of sufficient population of Cat ‘D’ repairable items, since most of the repairable items had been sent to Phazotron NIIR for repairs. Hence, additional training was required to be imparted to HAL personnel by deputation from Phazotron NIIR at an estimated cost of Rs.1.80 crore.
The audit also observed by April 2010 that repair and overhaul facilities for the Kopyo  set up by HAL strictly fell under the category of second-line repair, which was also being established as intermediate-level facilities in all the MiG-21 Bison operating squadrons,  and full-fledged depot-level facilities had not been set up by HAL. In April 2010, IAF HQ stated that setting up of depot-level maintenance/repair/overhaul (MRO) facilities had not been considered economically viable since the present facilities were being used only for the MiG-21 Bisons, and the same would not be useful after withdrawal of these aircraft from service. The calendar life of the MiG-21 Bisons had been extended by March 2010 to up to 40 years. Due to non-availability of complete MRO facilities, 297 LRUs of the MiG-21 Bisons and 564 LRUs of the MiG-21bis were offloaded to the Russian OEMs for repair/overhaul during the period from April 2007 to November 2009, against a long=term repair agreement (LTRA) concluded in April 2007 by HAL with the Russian OEMs involving a total repair cost of US$976,593.52 (Rs.4.33 crore). The MoD stated in November 2012 that efforts made to set up MRO facilities for components of the Kopyo MMR had not been successful and instead of setting up full MRO facilities, only diagnostic and repair facilities were proposed for HAL. The MoD further stated (November 2012 and March 2014) that in the absence of MRO facilities, all LRUs and components had to be sent to various Russian OEMs for repairs.
MiG-29UPG Upgrade Project Left Incomplete
In March 2008, IAF HQ inked a contract with Russia’s RAC-MiG for upgradation and life-extension of 63 MiG-29B-12 air superiority combat aircraft. The contract was to be carried out in two stages i.e. (a) design and development (D & D) work in two years (2008-2010) on six aircraft in Russia and (b) series-upgrade of the remaining 57 aircraft in India (2010-2014). All of these were to be fitted with the D-29 EW suite, each of which comprises a Unified Receiver Exciter Processor (UREP) that encompasses a digital radar warning receiver (RWR), electronic support measures (ESM) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) elements, along with the ELT-568 self-protection jammer transceivers imported from Italy-based Elettronica.
Based on ASORs prepared by IAF HQ in October 2006 for an integrated EW suite for fitment on the IAF’s fleet of MiG-29B-12s, the DRDO’s Bengaluru-based Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE) proposed in October 2007 the joint development of a state-of-art EW suite (D-29) with Elisra of Israel. In March 2010 the MoD sanctioned this project to DARE under Mission Mode (MM) for design and development of the D-29 at a cost of Rs.168.85 crore with a PDC of 33 months (December 2012). Accordingly, DARE in April 2010 signed a tripartite agreement with Israel’s Ministry of Defence and Elisra at a cost of US$26 million (Rs.115.57 crore) with a PDC of 28 months (by August 2012).
Meanwhile, based on another MoD sanction in March 2009, DARE signed a contract with RAC-MiG for the structural modification of six MiG-29B-12s (which were already in RAC-MiG’s possession for upgradation) for fitment of the proposed D-29 suite at a total cost of US$14.25 million (Rs.74.10 crore) with a PDC of 20 months (November 2010). During structural modifications, RAC-MiG encountered issues related to positioning and installation of the D-29’s LRUs, for which DARE in June 2011 suggested certain additional structural modifications on the six MiG-29 airframes.
However, three MiG-29UPGs after upgradation were delivered in December 2012 to the IAF by RAC-MiG (without the DARE-specified additional modifications) for facilitating the training of IAF pilots on the upgraded aircraft. The D-29 was fully developed by DARE in March 2013 but it could not be evaluated on the first three MiG-29UPGs received in India without the additional modifications, which was necessary to carry out testing of the D-29 suite. The remaining three aircraft, after upgradation and structural modifications (including additional modification) for fitment of the D-29 suite were received in India only in December 2013 due to delays by RAC-MiG.
Meanwhile, based on another MoD sanction in March 2009, DARE signed a contract with RAC-MiG for the structural modification of six MiG-29B-12s (which were already in RAC-MiG’s possession for upgradation) for fitment of the proposed D-29 suite at a total cost of US$14.25 million (Rs.74.10 crore) with a PDC of 20 months (November 2010). During structural modifications, RAC-MiG encountered issues related to positioning and installation of the D-29’s LRUs, for which DARE in June 2011 suggested certain additional structural modifications on the six MiG-29 airframes. However, three MiG-29UPGs after upgradation were delivered in December 2012 to the IAF by RAC-MiG (without the DARE-specified additional modifications) for facilitating the training of IAF pilots on the upgraded aircraft.
The D-29 was fully developed by DARE in March 2013 but it could not be evaluated on the first three MiG-29UPGs received in India without the additional modifications, which was necessary to carry out testing of the D-29 suite. The remaining three aircraft, after upgradation and structural modifications (including additional modification) for fitment of the D-29 suite were received in India only in December 2013 due to delays by RAC-MiG. The evaluation of the D-29 was further held up till October 2014 since the IAF used the upgraded MiG-29UPGs for testing various other mission-specific systems that were fitted by RAC-MiG for upgrading the aircraft. Thus, there was lack of synchronisation of upgradation with structural modifications (including additional modification) of the IAF’s fleet of MiG-29B-12s and development of the D-29 suite. And most importantly, no attempt was made to install any Missile Approach Warning System (MAWS) suites on the MiG-29UPGs, despite the IAF’s show of deep interest in such fitments by as early as 2006. By March 2015, DARE had spent Rs.199.82 crore on the development of the D-29 suite and structural modifications of the MiG-29B-12s. 
How DRDO’s DARE Totally Screwed Up ‘Desi’ MAWS R & D Effort for Super Su-30MKI
MAWS suite installation is essential for all combat and combat-support platforms to warn pilots of incoming guided-missile attacks. The MoD’s DAC in September 2004 accorded clearance for installation of MAWS in an 100 aircraft (both fixed-wing and rotary-wing). Hence, DARE in January 2005 proposed to IAF HQ a project to design and develop dual-colour (DC) infra-red/ultra-violet MAWS, jointly with the Israel’s Ministry of Defence and Elisra. In July 2006 IAF HQ accepted the proposal and in March 2008 agreed to install DC-MAWS on all its Su-30MKI Heavy-MRCAs and projected an initial requirement of 50 DC-MAWS suites. In November 2008, the MoD accorded financial sanction for the development and integration of DC-MAWS on Su-30MKIs by DARE at a total cost of Rs.193 crore (including a foreign exchange component of Rs. 172 crore), with a PDC of 55 months (June 2013) under MM category. On July 17, 2006, Cassidian, the defence and security division of European EADS and the Indian This MoD move came despite the DARE signing a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Cassidian of Germany on the joint development of an initial 36 MAWS suites for both fixed-wing and rotary-winged aircraft of the IAF and Indian Army Aviation Corps that made use of IR/UV sensors of the MILDS AN/AAR-60, with a planned initial operational capability for 2007. The agreement also included the co-production of these suites by the MoD-owned Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL).
In December 2008, DARE signed a tripartite US$37 million (Rs.148 crore) contract with Israel’s MoD and Elisra (now owned by Elbit Systems) for the joint development of DC-MAWS suite with a projected PDC of 48 months (December 2012). The scope of contract inter-alia included delivery of six infra-red sensors for one MAWS suite. HAL was selected by both the IAF and DARE as the nodal agency for structural modification of Su-30MKI airframes for integration of the MAWS suite. Subsequently, DARE found the infra-red sensors (that make up the PAWS suite) submitted by Elisra to be heavier and bigger in dimension (24cm in height and 4kg in weight) and hence, in May 2009 informed Elisra that the sensors might not be accepted for fitment on the Su-30MKIs as it would cause serious restriction on their flight envelopes. IAF HQ too expressed the same view in March 2010.
However, Elisra in June 2010 expressed its inability to make any significant weight reduction. Installation of six infra-red sensors on a Su-30MKI was not cleared in December 2012 by an Expert Committee (EC) at locations specified by DARE, as it would involve cutting the aircraft’s internal structure and the destruction of internal thermal masking coatings. Subsequently, the EC in January 2013 cleared the installation of only four infra-red sensors with a limitation of only 15-degree angle-of-attack (as against the Su-30MKI’s capability of 90 degrees). In February 2013, DARE approached the Su-30MKI’s OEM (OKB Sukhoi and IRKUT Corp) for expert review and clearance of the proposal for aircraft modification to integrate DC-MAWS sensors. In May 2013 the OEM clarified that the integration of DC MAWS sensors will significantly worsen the Su-30MKI’s flight performance since the DARE-recommended installation locations were highly sub-optimal.
The project cost was subsequently enhanced by December 2011 to Rs.228.80 crore due to exchange rate variation (ERV), and was further enhanced by July 2013 to Rs.273.80 crore. The MoD also extended in July 2013 the PDC of the project by 24 months (up to June 2015). A CAG audit in October 2014 observed that though increase in the weight of the DC-sensors was a cause of concern to IAF HQ as well as DARE, the sensors (four for each aircraft, instead of the originally envisaged six) were accepted with their present weights and with this, the possibility of adverse effects on the Su-30MKI’s flight envelope remained.
In response to audit observations regarding delays in the development of the DC-MAWS suite and its operational impact, DARE in January 2015 agreed that the performance parameters of the DC-MAWS on Su-30MKIs would be limited. It further added that DC-MAWS requirement on Su-30MKIs was not originally envisaged by the IAF and hence DARE executed it as only a technology demonstration (TD) project, instead of MM project and the project was wrongly categorised as MM! Subsequently, DARE relocated the installation of infra-red sensors on the Su-30MKI to the satisfaction of IAF HQ and the EC, which concurred in February 2015 that the installation of all six sensors was imperative.
Between March and April 2015, Elisra delivered all the six sensors only after the completion of factory acceptance tests (FAT). The flight evaluation of DC-MAWS was also carried out between March and April 2015 on an Elisra-owned Cheyenne airborne testbed. An amount of Rs.194.16 crore had been incurred on the project by March 2015. IAF HQ stated in April 2015 that flight-trials of DC-MAWS on a Su-30MKI were expected to commence in December 2015. The CAG audit also observed in June 2015 that in order to meet the latest PDC (June 2015) of the project, DARE, after development and testing of the DC-MAWS suite on an airborne testbed, closed the project claiming it successful. In order to prove the developed DC-MAWS suite on a Su-30MKI, DARE had proposed in June 2015 to take up a separate project. DARE further stated that the delay in development was due to time taken (from February 2012 to February 2015) by IAF HQ to assess the impact on aerodynamics of the Su-30MKI.
In response to the Draft Report of April 2015, the DRDO reiterated in June 2015 the views of DARE that DC-MAWS project was taken up as a TD effort and suggested to exclude the project from its draft report. The replies may be seen in light of the fact that IAF HQ had clearly projected back in March 2008 the requirement of the DC-MAWS suite for Su-30MKIs and accordingly, the project was sanctioned under MM category. Also, neither the DRDO HQ nor DARE took any initiative during the development phase to obtain an amendment to transition from MM to TD project. Further, flight evaluations of the developed DC-MAWS suite was carried out on a Cheyenne airborne testbed and as such, the success or otherwise of DC-MAWS with oversized sensors, would be known only after flight evaluation on modified Su-30MKIs, for which a separate sanction was awaited. Till then, the IAF’s Su-30MKI fleet would have to operate without DC-MAWS capability.
In 2016, DARE once again succeeded in resuscitating the DC-MAWS project by proposing to install four DC-sensors to the fore and aft of each of the two Interface Beam Assemblies (one under each outboard wing pylon), with the remaining two sensors being mounted on the topside and belly of the Su-30MKI airframe. However, such a configuration too has not yet been approved by OKB Sukhoi, which instead has cleared the MILDS-A installation configuration that had been proposed by the industrial partnership of Hensoldt (which bought over Cassidian), BEL and Alpha Technologies back in 2016 itself!
As a consequence of the above, DARE has developed a MAWS suite installation package that does not have the support of OKB Sukhoi and will therefore be regarded as an unauthorised and non-certified fitment, which in turn will lead to both OKB Sukhoi and IRKUT Corp withdrawing their airworthiness certifications for all such modified Su-30MKIs. Total product liability, therefore, will rest squarely on the shoulders of DARE and HAL, with devastating consequences for the IAF and its entire Su-30MKI fleet.
Instead, what the IAF should have done way back in the previous decade was to go for the very same certified MAWS fitment configuration that was specified by OKB Sukhoi for the 18 Su-30MKMs of Malaysia that were delivered between 2007 and 2009. This would then have become a win-win solution for all the involved parties (Russian and Indian) and could well have generated similar solutions for the IAF’s upgraded MiG-29UPGs. Instead, the clearly evident criminal negligence displayed by the MoD, DRDO HQ  and DARE since the previous decade have only ensured that the IAF’s MiG-29UPG and Su-30MKI fleets remain devoid of DC-MAWS fitments till this day!
How/Why DARE-Developed UEWS For Tejas Mk.1/Mk1A LCA Was Rejected
It was IAF HQ through its letter No.AHQ/S96056/6/7/ASR dated March 19, 1997 that had specified that the DRDO-developed Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) should be capable of carrying an electronic countermeasures (ECM) suite included internally-mounted SPJ, RWR and a countermeasures dispensing system (CMDS). However, in December 24, 2009 in another letter the IAF HQ stated that an internal SPJ was not part of the specified FOC-standard for the Tejas Mk.1 LCA (because the SPJ consumed more power and required lot of internal volume that were not available on the Tejas Mk.1) and therefore it ought to be on-board the Tejas LCA-AF Mk.2. In addition, provision was to be made for future upgrades.
It needs to be noted here that when it comes to developing customised products like MMR and EW suite, one first has to develop the MMR and only after that the EW suite because both the MMR and EW suite (especially the SPJ) do not work together. SPJs can work only when the MMR does not operate—as dictated by the absolute laws of physics. However, with an SPJ fitment, the MMR works continuously just fine with an optimised radome. In case of the Tejas Mk.1’s MMR (comprising an ELTA Systems-supplied programmable signals processor and transmitter/receiver/exciter along with an LRDE-developed mechanically scanning antenna built by ECIL) that initially used a domestically-developed radome, airborne target detection range was 60km, but this was increased to 70km when a Cobham-supplied radome was used.
In case of the Tejas Mk.1, due to the delayed development of the MMR by LRDE, the SPJ’s development too had to be delayed by DARE and hence the latter’s flight-tests  on-board the LCA  PV-1 (which first flew on November 2003) was initially expected to start in early December 2013 (after it was installed in October the same year). But the Unified Electronic Warfare System-equipped PV-1 (inclusive of the SPJ) ended up making its maiden-flight only on January 10, 2015. The SPJ subsequently demonstrated its ability to simultaneously jam five hostile emitters. Despite this, the UEWS had consumed far more internal volume than was available on the Tejas Mk.1 and hence it was decided not to install it as standard-fit on the 40 Tejas Mk.1s on order for the IAF.
The UEWS comprises a Unified Receiver Exciter Processor (UREP) with advanced digital receiver/digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) microwave power module-base based transmitters. The RF signals received via the receiving antennae are amplified by front-end amplifiers and fed to an advanced channelised receiver in the central processor unit. The receiver then measures all the RF signal parameters such as PRF, PRI, PW, direction etc, for building pulse descriptors that are then fed to the central processor unit. This then extracts the threats according to priority and level of lethality and provides the situation awareness to the pilot via a multi-function AMLCD. Upon detection of a lethal threat, the central processor unit then activates the jammer, selecting the appropriate EW technique for each threat. The jammer is capable of responding simultaneously to five different threats by implementing power management techniques.
In December 2018 Elisra was selected for implementing a Rs.178 crore contract for developing the UEWS suite for the projected Tejas Mk.1A after being selected by HAL as the winning contender. Its developmental cost worked out to be Rs.177.43 crore, inclusive of three prototypes and related support equipment. HAL selected Elisra’s UEWS offer over the DRDO-developed UEWS for the Tejas Mk.1 and the D-29 suite (developed by DARE for the MiG-29UPG) since installation of either of the latter two would have involved significant redesign of the Tejas Mk.1A’s airframe. And neither was BEL able to respond to HAL’s request for examining the prospects for miniaturising either the Tejas Mk.1’s UEWS or the D-29.
However, Israel’s Ministry of Defence prevented Elisra from developing the UEWS suite for the Tejas Mk.1A, and instead suggested to both HAL and the IAF that the EL/L-8222 SPJ pod be selected and ordered. And this is exactly what happened subsequently.
The reason given was that since the Tejas Mk.1A will be using the ELTA Systems-supplied EL/M-2052 AESA-MMR, its integration with the the EL/L-8222 SPJ pod will be cheaper and risk-free since this very same package had earlier been installed and integrated for the IAF’s Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 project (both the AESA-MMR and elements of the SPJ pod were integrated with DARE-developed UEPS sub-systems for internal mounting) for this project were delivered to HAL in May 2018 and on August 10 the same year the first of 10 flight certification-related flights of the first Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 prototype had taken place).

192 comments:

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: The above will answer some of the questions I had raised earlier about the IAF's performance on the morning of February 27, 2019.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: That's because believe it or not, all the fraudulent scumbags from all corners of the world repose the utmost faith in the fairplay of the UK's judicial system/processes.

To BRAHMASTRA: Perhaps after the Rafales arrive in India the NG-ARM will be integrated with them.

Harsh said...

Sir, your comments on these 2 developments. Earlier you said that 464 T-90 acquisition news was hoax, but it has surfaced again

https://wap.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/centre-gives-nod-to-acquire-464-new-t-90-tanks-for-indian-army-119040901130_1.html

400 elbit athos howitzers being purchased

http://www.spslandforces.com/news/?id=374&h=Elbit-beats-Nexter-in-epic-battle-to-win-Indian-155-mm-52-calibre-towed-gun-competition

Why does 1 of the prototypes of ATAGS resemble Elbit ATHOS?

rad said...


hi prasun

thanks for the bison pic with jammer , i am seeing this for the first time .
I am shocked by the advancement of turkey in electronic warfare by developing a sigint , jammer ,SAR aircraft on its own.how so?

we seem to have ordered similar stuff , when is it due. CAn we make the same type of aircraft what turkey is making given our maturity in awacs radar and desi jammers?? are they getting help?would you recommend a desi jammer like awacs or buy it off shelf?

now pak will be their first customer is my guess. CAn we take it down with an s-400 given pak shallow depth? or it is difficult ?

we have SAR equipped gulf stream , but do we have specialized jamming ac like the above?

how does the above jamming ac compare with a el 8215 escort jammer ? that can be taken close to the target rather than stand of jamming ?


Jasgill said...

Was mig 29upg better perform than su 30 mki & mig 21 bis on 27February morning

rad said...


hi prasun
now we know the targets that would be selected by PAF are only military ones and it is going to be easy to knock them out them by moving up a squadron of spyder, akash and barak in war footing to cover kashmir.
Is the move going on?

And next time when try to come in we can leave the job to the sams rather than ac which can stand off at height and dive down if required.

what was the cause of the mi 17v being downed , i feel it is blue on blue , what is your take ?

if the alarm production has stopped then europe will not have any anti radar missiles , what do they have now ?

Susan said...

Prasun da

Can you give details various upgrade available for mig21.MiG-21 LanceR of romania,MiG-21-93 and MiG-21 2000 upgarde projects.

Which upgrade package is more advances.

Pavan said...

Dear prasun,

An off topic question
(1) http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2011/07/pakistans-commanding-lead.html?m=1

Is the artillery in better shape than 8yrs ago?

(2)
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/defence-ministry-signs-rs-200-crore-contract-to-upgun-130-mm-howitzers-1376475-2018-10-26

Is this contract on track? Is it a useless upgrade or just Jugaad?

(3)https://bharatshakti.in/elbit-beats-nexter-in-epic-battle-to-win-indian-155-mm-52-calibre-towed-gun-competition/

Yellow journalism or is the army dipping it's fingers in several honeycomb at the same time?

The RAT said...

Hi Prasun,
Thanks for the informative update once again. HAL and MOD having fun at cost of nations security with tax payers money. On other hand I would like to know about the new MiG 29 ordered how old are these platforms and how will we get around 50 of these since i only know about 34 cancelled ones by Algeria what about others. Please reply thanks again

Buddha said...

Sir can we see indigenous development in quick succession with public private partnership in the field of air artillery sector just like field artillery of army moving atleast right direction after decades if deadlog

Sir do you have any updates on Indian SSN program.
Ghatak assault rifle ....What is its status..When it will go for mass production for army.
One article of yours in force magazine april that was there in the april edition where you mentioned about how modified iron dom can help indian force against any nucleared armed nasir missle ..That I can not see in the print version or in web..
Can you plz give detail about the issue.
About Mig 29 that you said India willing to purchase about 36 we know and how more this can be obtained and from which source..
Will India consider buying 2nd hand or used F16 or F18 and deep upgrade them from america ..To quickly enhance aircraft strength.
Does India considering to use its T51 mbt body for any military use as proposed by you earlier.
Recently cabinet gave nod for near 450 T90mbt
Then arjun will see limited order or not.why India is not considering to develop T72 type mbt.
what is the status of drone acquisition from america .

Himanshu said...

Prasun Da,
Another thought provoking analysis from you.
Sir, I fail to understand who is responsible for such grave mistakes and why shouldn't criminal cases be filed against those who are involved in rather not involved in doing their duties. This is clear wastage of taxpayer's money and most importantly such actions are playing with our nations security.
Regards
Himanshu

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To HARSH: 1) No such contract has been inked. If it was inked, then by now the US wopuld have issued a statement as it concerns CAATSA. 2) Why should only 400 155mm/52-cal towed howitzers be imported when the ATAGS has already been ordered? Why can’t additional Dhanush-45s or even Dhanush-52s be ordered? And ATHOS is the same as Bharat-52 from Kalyani Group & some of its design elements have been incorporated into that version of the ATAGS that is being built by Kalyani Group.

To RAD: I have also uploaded another section above that reveals how the MAWS fitments on MiG-29UPGs & Su-30MKIs got totally fucked due to the combined criminal negligence of the MoD & DRDO’s DARE. And the problems have not yet been resolved. Turkey imports almost all the reqd sub-systems & only the systems architecture is designed & developed in Turkey. Indian private-sectpr companies can easily make such multi-band jammers in cooperation with various South African & OEMs. In fact, such South Africanm OEMs had been offering MSWS suites to India since 1991 for MioG-21 Bison, MiG-27M, MiG-29B-12 & even the Su-30MKI. That’s why when Malaysia had specified MSWS suites for its Su-30MKMs, the Ruskies immediately settled on South African OEMs as the preferred vendors. Only DARE with its entrenched pro-Israel lobby decided to go into uncharted territory & consequently total;ly screwed up the MAWS fitment plans of the IAF for the MiG-29s & Su-30MKIs. It is one of the most gigantic fuck-ups in recent history that the likes of Prachant Bhushan, Arun Shourie & Yashwant Sinha ought to focus on, but will never do so due to their owned vested interests!!!

And less than 24 hours after explaining why Jammu matters more to Pakistan than the Kashmir Valley as far as conflicts go, here’s another interesting & related report:

https://theprint.in/defence/hindu-population-border-topography-makes-jammu-region-pakistans-new-killing-fields/219298/

Mi-17V-5 downing was due to a blue-on-blue engagement.

To UNKNOWN: AFAIK, MiG-21-2000 was developed by IAI for the air forces of Romania & Cambodia. MiG-21-93 is the same as MiG-21 Bison. The IAI-developed package was better & more widee-ranging.

To JASGILL: The MiG-29s were flying over Halwara & Jamnagar & were therefore nowhere near the area where the IAF-PAF aerial confrontations took place.

To PAVAN: 1) Yes, the IA is now being hit by a ‘Tsunami’ of field artillery procurement projects. 2) Yes, work on it has already begun. This is the Sharang:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ATF7mpMZaAk/WtKEvJF4alI/AAAAAAAAOX0/Eq6LrbS1IXIzV3Pf2Gait2UtNMUu0U0pQCLcBGAs/s1600/OFB-developed%2BM-46%2B155mm%2B45-cal%2Btowed%2Bhowitzer.jpg

3) If the idea was to import towed 155mm/52-cal howitzers, then why did the MoD release money for ordering the ATAGS & for the OFB to develop the Dhanush-52 that was unveilled at DEFEXPO 2016?

To BUDDHA: Yes, because now the learning curve has been overcome through the Dhanush-45 & ATAGS projects. That article appeared in the Aero India show-daily of FORCE magazine. I don’t see the availability of any money for 114 imported MRCAs.

To HIMANSHU: VMT. The saddest part is that the likes of Prachant Bhushan, Arun Shourie & Yashwant Sinha will never focus on such far more vital issues due to their owned vested interests!!!

Pawan said...

Dear Prasun da,

This mess of SU-30MKI MAWS looks to defy all common sense and logic. Unfortunately it seems IAF not have much of say in affairs. Moreover I think IAF looking at one controversy in form of news report that PAF pilots have trained on Rafale even before IAF pilots through Qatar. Can't understand, how it was allowed, given the fact that India & Qatar have defense pact.

Regards

hoods007 said...

prasun what is your opinion on the ongoing US-Taliban-afghan talks?. our domestic media is crying that India "once again" has been left out of the talks. news papers are speculating that Pakistan is once again in the driver seat in the talks and the talk will end in Taliban not only being part of the afghan gov in may-june period but also having greater influence than the moderate faction headed by ghani resulting in india loosing what little influence it had in Afghanistan.

panic said...

Sir does JF 17 flying with PAF have MAWS sensor ?
What baffles me is how come IAF fly it's air superiority fighters like su 30 mki without MAWS sensor.
It's one of the basic requirement for a fighter aircraft.
I'm more disappointed with IAF rather than with MOD, instead of playing the circus of MMRCA tender with MOD they should have focused to fulfill basic requirements of Indian Air Force Fighter Jets.

MR said...

What's this hullabaloo about Pakistan Air Force pilots getting trained on Quatari Rafales? Wasn't that expected? And does the entire fleet get compromised?

Pawan said...

Prasun da,

A funny video which describe kind of nonsense happening in our MoD.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyakI9GeYRs

Regards,
Pawan

rad said...

hi prasun
it is heart rending to note the casual irresponsible attitude of all concerned.Regarding the maws and ew systems . What is the way for ward ? we seem to have invested too much money and time to develop the maws and other systems . Cant we not resize it so that it fits all ac ?dunking all the hard work is also a crime as we have the critical tech after a long time .
what i dont understand is , from the initial development study the basic dimensions of the maws -ew suite should have been known . ?
Or do we swallow our pride and get the saab system? . I think the su-30 escaped due to the el 8222 jammer and i shudder if one of the amraam broke thru, we would have been sitting ducks without the maws?
the unified ew suite seems very promising ?it seems to be the way forward ,has it been tested / what what was the test bed in india?

Nikhil M said...

Dear Prasunda,

Can we intergrate R37M to SU30MKI & MIG 29UPG? Is R37M effective against fighter sized aircrafts (I am aware of the possibility that R37M might be too expensive to be used against Fighters, except against frontline Fighters)? Any idea, what is NEZ of R-37M?

Regards
Nikhil

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN: The mess was created by the collusion of A K Antony as RM with the various Secretaries of DRDO during the former’s tenure as RM. Why? Because he was dead-opposed to any DPSU collaborating with any Indian or foreign private-sector OEMs. And that’s why DRDO always enjoyed under him the right to veto any decision that involved the importation of sub-systems of foreign origin. In fact, this has been going on since the mid-1990s & at that time, it was the ADE from which DARE was later created) that had vetoed the IAF’s decision to import cost-effective ASPJs from Sweden’s Ericsson & Italy’s Elettronica for both the Canberra & MiG-21 fleet of aircraft. All this has since been documented in the second of AM Raghavendran’s two-part memoirs. And that’s why the Tusker ASPJ developed by ADE in the late 1990s was never accepted for service-induction (in fact the Tusker was nothing but Elisra’s SPS-65 EW jammer suite packaged inside an aluminium body fabricated by ADE!). The news on the PAF getting access to Qatari Rafales is FAKE NEWS, period & so is this from a fully certified idiot:

https://theprint.in/opinion/if-pakistani-pilots-trained-on-rafale-then-its-weapons-system-has-already-been-compromised/220180/

So just think about this: all the Qataris are undergoing conversion to the Rafales in France, & not in Qatar & hence if any Pakistanis were present there at the conversion facilities, then they would easily have been spotted by the IAF contingent that is now undergoing conversion at the very same facility. Secondly, if the air forces of both Qatar & the UAE give access to the PAF to their respective combat aircraft fleets, then would it not be safe to conclude that the PAF already knows all the secrets of the Mirage-2000s that both Qatar & the UAE possess? So does that then mean that the IAF’s Mirage-2000s have no secrets that are unknown to the PAF? And so will the IAF now have to abandon its upgraded Mirage-2000s? Such arguments & conspiracy theories I’m afraid have no place in the real world. The only factoid is that the PAF’s pilots serve as qualified non-combatant flight instructors in the air forces of both Qatar & the UAE & therefore they are NOT ALLOWED to fly or even examine the operational combat aircraft of the air forces of Qatar & the UAE. This factoid has been twisted & distorted to create FAKE NEWS, kindly rest assured.

To HOODS007: This explains it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWnASeaF81I&t=163s

And here’s an excellent documentary on the 1980-1989 Afghan civil war:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJs7udS-fZ4

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

PANIC: Kindly read this & watch them too:

https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2015/06/myanmar-opts-for-catics-fc-1-light-mrca.html

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5QU46HBqnvM/VYHiMxkwNgI/AAAAAAAAJoQ/7LdtQGQIucY/s1600/JF-17%2BThunder%2527s%2Brear-looking%2Btwin%2BMAWS%2Bsensors.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-21WP9bnUHZU/VYHiPzX2SKI/AAAAAAAAJoY/GbkAT0Dwo7s/s1600/MAWS%2BSensor.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E7MGIW5qx6s/VYHiBBwYb0I/AAAAAAAAJoI/_BnndSqhFuA/s1600/Internal%2BSelf-Protection%2BJammer.jpg

To MR: The news on the PAF getting access to Qatari Rafales is FAKE NEWS, period & so is this from a fully certified idiot:

https://theprint.in/opinion/if-pakistani-pilots-trained-on-rafale-then-its-weapons-system-has-already-been-compromised/220180/

So just think about this: all the Qataris are undergoing conversion to the Rafales in France, & not in Qatar & hence if any Pakistanis were present there at the conversion facilities, then they would easily have been spotted by the IAF contingent that is now undergoing conversion at the very same facility. Secondly, if the air forces of both Qatar & the UAE give access to the PAF to their respective combat aircraft fleets, then would it not be safe to conclude that the PAF already knows all the secrets of the Mirage-2000s that both Qatar & the UAE possess? So does that then mean that the IAF’s Mirage-2000s have no secrets that are unknown to the PAF? And so will the IAF now have to abandon its upgraded Mireage-2000s? Such arguments & conspiracy theories I’m afraid have no place in the real world. The only factoid is that the PAF’s pilots serve as qualified non-combatant flight instructors in the air forces of both Qatar & the UAE & therefore they are NOT ALLOWED to fly or even examine the operational combat aircreaft of the air forces of Qatar & the UAE. This factoid has been twisted & distorted to create FAKE NEWS, kindly rest assured.

To RAD: The MAWS has NOT been developed by DARE at all. The MILDS-A MAWS sensors all come from Germany’s Hensoldt. And the IAF rest assured has no other option but to revert back to OKB Sukhoi & IRKUT Corp for obtaining the certified MAWS fitment documentation, i.e. the same type of fitment as those on the Malaysian Su-30MKMs. So from 2006 until now all that DARE has been doing WRT MAWS tantamount to wastage of time & the Indian taxpayer’s money, as I’ve made it crystal-clear above. Consequently, the RMs, Defence Secretaries & DRDO secretaries serving in that period all need to be held accountable by a court of law. For it is because of them that the MiG-29s, Su-30MKIs, Jaguar IS, Mi-17V-5s & Tejas Mk.1 don’t have MAWS fitments. So will the likes of Arun Shourie, Yashwant Sinha & Prashant Bhushan file PILs on such issues which really matter? Or will they yet again display ‘Ghagini-type’ amnesia? The Rudras, LCHs & LUHs & EMB-145Is of the IAF & IA all have SaabTech-supplied MSWS that includes the Saab-supplied MAWS (which was originally developed in South Africa by Grintek/Avitronics & which was on offer to India throughout the 1990s & which is now flying on the Su-30MKMs of Malaysia). Grintek/Avitronics was bought over by Saab in the previous decade after South Africa’s purchase of JAS-39 Gripens.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: here's another revelation: the DRFM modules & DEoppler modulators of all DRDO-designed & BEL-built RWRs are imported wholescale. And this is the one:

https://www.hensoldt.net/fileadmin/hensoldt/Solutions/Air/Self_Protection/0504_17_DFRM_datasheet_E_intranet.pdf

Without this, there's no RWR & no jammer!

Chandan said...

Prasun sir,
1) I was talking recently with a young economist based in London and he told me that Britain still has great influence in India through banking and business links. Is it true? Can you please give us some info on this?

2) If so, Which political party is most Influenced by Britain?

3) Does Britain have enough power to split India if they wish?

4) If so will a no deal brexit, which might lead to spitting of UK and its ensuing weakening benefit India?

BENO said...

sir,
1. With regarding to the maws, whether the DARE installation configuration was approved and will be installed on su-30mki once the super su-30 mki contract gets inked or is the iaf trying to get maws from other vendors for fitment?

Buddha said...

https://theprint.in/defence/chinas-massive-underwater-blasts-at-djibouti-military-base-pose-huge-risk-to-environment/219834/
What you think of this sir

https://theprint.in/defence/hindu-population-border-topography-makes-jammu-region-pakistans-new-killing-fields/219298/

https://theprint.in/defence/vice-admiral-bimal-verma-takes-navy-chief-fight-to-govt-withdraws-plea-from-army-tribunal/219106/

Sir what is the status of siva pod ?
When can we see Pralay and prahar missile in armed force and what will be their respective role against pakistan and china
Does India now can produce ballistic missile defence with AD 1&2 PAD and can it makes it's required radar system
As you mentioned earlier India should develop naval vessel with Pinaka rocket artillery ...Is any project going on on that front.
Sir can in future 4 Multi role support vessel can accomodate naval tejas MK2 .
Can spin off arihant design be if utilised for Indian Navy SSN program.
Like boforse artillery paper that helps Dhanush artillery ..The technological no how of german Type 209 submarine that india got ..Will it help through dedicated research development to produce in house a deshi conventional submarine line.
Will next govt be serious enough to address the issue of govt PSU and DPSU management and make them public listed company
It seems like With limited budget Indian Navy's many plan are in deep sleep
Can we see these in coming decades sir....
4 LHD ,6 NGMV 5 tanker and many more

sbm said...

Interesting information. Not surprised.

Sad though. Will the Super30 upgrade have MAWS?

Also, without MAWS does it mean that the PAF and PLAAF can destroy the IAF with ease?
Or does it mean that tactical limitations have to be imposed to compensate for this deficiency?

Does the Mirage 2000HI upgrade have MAWS?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CHANDAN: Yes, it is true, as explained in these 2 documentaries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=889jVIIz2L4

To BENO: Just consider this: without OKB Sukhoi’s approval, HAL will be unable to make any modifications to the Su-30MKI’s airframe. That’s because if HAL makes imauthorised modifications & the aircraft crashes due to them, then the Russian OEMs will not be held liable for any airframe-related design deficiencies. Which means the IAF will then blame HAL & HAL in turn will in turn blame the DRDO/DARE & PILs will be filed in various Indian courts by the widows of perished IAF crewmen where HAL & DRDO will be held accountable & will be sued for compensation. So, it isn’t about which MAWS will be selected, but how it will be installed & with whose authorisation. All these have serious legal repercussions both domestically & internationally.

To BUDDHA: SIVA pod is a high-accuracy DF pod for detecting electromagnetic emissions & it was reqd when the IAF had only analogue RWRs developed by DARE & built by BEL. The R-118 Dhruti is a digital RWR that will do away with the need for SIVA pod. So far, only three LST-Ls have L & T-supplied MBRLs. Tejas Mk.2 project is dead & has been replaced by the MWF-AF Mk.2 project. Arihant’s design was originally meant for the SSGN reqmt & it can easily be used as an SSN if one gets rid of the vertical-cell SLBM silos. And here’s the ATHOS towed howitzer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9SQhKFhUfM

To SBM: It will have MAWS, provided DARE adheres to the installation design that’s certified by OKB Sukhoi, i.e. the very same fitment location & architecture as that of the Su-30MKM. Anything else that’s the outgrowth from either DARE or HAL will be suicidal in all aspects. Of course, because in today’s aerial warfare any combat aircraft without MAWS is a dead-duck. MAWS fitments today are standard-fits & are no longer regarded as optional accessories, especially in an era of all-aspect SRAAMs guided by HMDS. I haven’t yet seen any photo of an upgraded IAF Mirage-2000IM that’s fitted with MBDA’s DDM-NG MAWS suite. Will upload the saga of the EW suite for Tejas LCA later today, which will further explain the cock-ups by DARE.

sbm said...

The screw-ups are evident.
The question is what is being done now to fix things.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: What is being done? Nothing. But I've already explained above what needs to be done & what is the only option/methodology of proceeding ahead. Try doing anything else based on a belief that the DARE/HAL duo is blessed with all-knowing wisdom will only lead to utter/total/assured disaster. And have also uploaded the narrative on Tejas Mk.1's UEWS.

Anonymous said...

Not surprised at all. Remember reading on your bog years ago about the lack of MAWs on various aircraft. I get the feeling PAF learn more from you than IAF. I am surprised what they have managed to fit on JF17; What is the reason they have managed to make JF17 as it is? What are the lessons to learn from it if any?

RAT

Chandan said...

Thanks for links sir,
1) Do you think the power that the british possess is enough to balkanize India if they so choose?

2) Do they possess such economic influence over other major powers like China and Russia also?

3) What can the east do to counter such power of the west?

The Sanatani Bhartiya said...

Prasun
Your comments please?
https://youtu.be/Xl2-ypC10p0

Jasgill said...

Sirji what's wrong with india now indian militry are modi militry ho kia rha hai what's impact on Indian military men,sirji i talk many many armymen in my village they are all refuse to fight for bjp or modi and i realize pak ispr win information war plz do not publish my comment its only for u

sbm said...

The strong impression I get is that while the DARE MAWS might work, integrating such a system without OEM support is extremely risky in respect of liability etc.

DAshu said...

very deep level exposure you are doing and exposing the real rut. Wonder when our so-called reporters would start reporting real issues.
on a separate note why this sudden surge of state honors to PM Modi?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CHANDAN: 1) No. 2) Yes. 3) Not much.

To THE INDIAN: It is factually untrue. These 2 weblinks will help clear the issue:

https://frontline.thehindu.com/static/html/fl1714/17140060.htm

https://www.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/08arvind.htm

To JASGILL: India’s armed forces fight for the country & not for any party or individual.

To SBM: The installations devised by DARE together with HAL will not afford 360-degree hemispherical earl;y-warning & will instead only severely damage the airframe’s internal thermal barrier coatings. Furthermore, Russia will regard this a violation of its IPRs & will consequently increase its price quotations for spares supplies as retaliation—a point the Indians never take cognizance of.

To DASHU: Rest assured that the ‘desi’ journalists will find it extremely stressful to undertake investigative reporting on such issues. The ‘surge’ of honours bestowed is due to the fact that all those countries involved do not wish to see the INC & its allied regional parties to come back to power at the federal-level.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BUDDHA: Interesting reads:

https://medium.com/@sameerjoshi73/debunking-the-isprs-antithesis-of-a-precision-strike-at-balakot-2a4a9e7cc587

https://theprint.in/opinion/bjp-congress-manifestos-offer-a-national-security-policy-high-on-emotions-low-on-substance/219912/

https://www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/congress-bjp-manifestos-2019-elections-national-security-kashmir

https://scroll.in/article/916860/the-election-fix-kargil-to-balakot-do-indians-vote-with-national-security-in-mind

Interesting discussion on port-Balakot air-strikes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqHCsa-uQRA

To PAWAN: Is this the reason why Pakistan fears an Indian military retaliation between April 16 & 20:

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/j-k-police-issue-alert-on-fidayeen-attack-say-car-ladden-with-ied-may-be-used-1498991-2019-04-11


A typical example of a self-confessed bleeding heart who is safely residing within the environs of Delhi & is totally oblivious to the ground-realities:

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/vajpayee-kashmir-pulwama-attack-highway-5671396/

Such pseudo-intellectuals are always quick to justify the armed insurrections of one community, while failing to ask whether the same conditions would apply to those non-Muslim Kashmiris who were forced to abandon their homes since 1989 & whether they too would be justified to take revenge by taking up arms against those who resorted to communal cleansing in the Valley since the late 1980s. And as for Vajpayee 2.0, these pseudo-intellectuals should also be asked why they remain silent when Vajpayee 1.0 was the reason why Masood Azhar & Co were released in December 1999 & how the JeM consequently came into existence in 2001.

Pawan said...

Dear Prasun da,

This Mr Mattoo was or may still is right hand man of PDP first family. He is not loyal to his people but to this family. As far as other journalist Ms Nirupama (earlier based out of Chandigarh) is concerned she used to be so enamoured by Pak Journalists like Hamid Mir etc that While ignoring him when he spewed venom against India She would selectively align herself for sham peace initiatives. BTW it was her who facilitated a Jihad supporter like Hamid Mir writing columns in Indian Express.

Regards,

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

Image from Wikipedia shows Sukhoi 30 MKI with IRST. Is it true the unupgraded MKIs have IRST?

manoj joshi said...

Prasun, Mattoo has a house in Srinagar where he still lives and visits. To see him as some Delhi figure is not correct.

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir
Russians didn't said a word when Chinese violated there IPRs, and even sold Russian origin equipments outside.

Furthur, Russians are still thinking of blackmailing India, after India purchasing there pathetic S400 instead THAAD or Arrow, furthur buying there 3 pathetic frigates, while India producing far superior P 17/ P 17A.

All this just to keep them economically afloat.
There GDP is half in comparison to 2014, even with falling population. Nobody can sustain such situation.

And still thinking of blackmailing India, if that is the situation. So be it, cancel the purchase of S400, and buy THAAD.

THAAD even giving nightmares to Chinese in Korea, then so be it.

Just to give them a goodwill gesture we buying PWR reactor from Russia, and in return we get blackmailed?

Arpit Kanodia said...

Btw
What happened to Russian IPR, when Chinese violated Soviet IPR and sold LY 80E to Pakistan.

I dont think Russians said anything.

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

This is interesting on many counts not because India could look at the F15Js for 100 odd aircraft, unfortunately they are like the Su-30 MKI. The interesting thing is the addition of quad packs increasing or doubling the number of weapon stations. This should be applied by IAF & indigenous developers. The other aspect is of course the Japanese 6thgeneration F-3

Kaustav said...

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/japan-plans-sell-100-its-homebrew-f-15j-eagles-pay-more-stealth-jets-52167

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: Well, that may well be the retort from the SPD of Pakistan, but in reality this is the very bluff that needs to be called, since the employment of nuiclear WMDs by Pakistan inside any portion of J & K will result in Pakistan forever losing any & all moral claim over that piece of real estate. And WRT blacklisting by FATF, whether it happens or not will not be as decisive in instigating domestic instability, as will the inevitable of steep price hikes after the IMF bailout package comes into effect. For instance, domestic gas prices, which have already been hiked by 48%, will now have to be hiked by another 33% to satisfy the IMF’s pre-contitions.

Meanwhile, here’s another spanner in the works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeJqycdruco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFxiAim91U0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMDgvWsAnU

To ASD: All Su-30MKIs have had IRSTs since the outset, as did the IAF’s earlier Su-30Ks.

To PAWAN: Interesting ground-reports from both the Valley & Jammu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m4PPW0fKKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HTv71KYP04

And judging by the tone & tenor of Pakistani announcements, it does seem while officially that Pakistan does not want the BJP to come to power, in reality most Pakistani decision-makers & commentators want NaMo to be re-elected as the PM since they perceive him to be the principal polarising actor that lends credibility to the rationale for Pakistan's foundational ideology, i.e, the 2-nation theory. This evidently emereges when watching the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JbguAXpRTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XQC3m2T1Vk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHZrtJ0riSs&t=27s

To MANOJ JOSHI: Yes, that is factually correct.

To ARPIT KANODIA: On the contrary, Russia did prevail upon China & won the end-game, as explained here:

https://www.ft.com/content/90b1ada2-a18e-11e6-86d5-4e36b35c3550

And that’s also why, despite repeated pleas since 2008, China eventually inked the Su-35BM procurement contract only in 2016. In addition, China had to pay liquidated damages for violating Russia’s IPRs (by cloning the Su-33 into the J-15). Furthermore, China had to surrender the right to hold Russia responsible for product-liability, i.e. if China installed its own homegrown avionics/weapons on any Su-27 or Su-30 of Russian origin, then Russian OEMs will not be held liable for these platforms in case of any mishap. So, all the Su-27s, Su-30s & J-11s that will in future be upgraded by China will be known ndomestically as J-14s & J-16s but their performance parameters will not be guaranteed by Russia. The same goes for the naval platforms imported by China from Russia. And that’s why the domestic warship mid-life upgrade projects of the PLAN’s 4 Russia-origin Type 956E DDGs is running wasy behind schedule, with the first first such DDG undergoing such an upgrade for the past 4 years with no end in sight.

To KAUSTAV: Japan will be able to sell its F-15J/DJ platforms only to those countries that are approved by the US. India will not show any interest in such platforms since the Su-30MKI’s upgrade potential is far greater as of now. Most probably they will end up in either Indonesia or The Philippines, with Japan financing such deals. Quad-packs are nowe being developed for launching the SAAW PGMs.

Anonymous said...

1. Once India signs the deal for additional Sukohois and MiG 29s, where is the money for 115 MMRCA ? Can we not simply buy more Rafales ? Combine navy and Air Force requirements , then locally assemble them.

2. Why cannot the additional Su30 MKI be Super sukhois ? Will save time and money later.

3. Can C295 not be replacement for An32 ? In midst of all the urgent requirements like mine sweepers , artillery, fighters, light helicopters , why this push for Avro replacement ?

4. When will IAF see new LUH ? That is very urgent is it not ?

5. With elections and subsequent new Govt, can we place order on navy MRH on time I.e June 2019, or delay as usual ?

6. Why is caracal carbine order stuck ?

Venky

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

This is how scumbags from the Valley distort factoids & give a one-sided version smacking of victimhood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHZrtJ0riSs&t=27s
(watch from 0.38:27)

https://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column-more-pernicious-than-afspa-2737690

rad said...


hi prasun
as a temporary gap filler in the long range AAM requirement , why cant we ask russia to integrate the R-37 on to the su-30 as it is big enough to carry the big missile and all it would need some flight tests and soft ware changes only. As the pylons are russian as well . we can have them before the SFDR astra 2 comes in in another 5 t 6 years hopefully?without awacs the paf fighters will be easy picking .

the chinese have copied every single weapon system from ak-47 to smerch rockets to missiles etc . They have exported them to pakistan Ie smerch copy and the buk-11 copy ie ly-80e. Now what is russia doing about it . Have they just given up given the buying power f china and the new bonhomie against US that they have developed ?
after all the painfull truth about lack of MAWS on SU-30 and mig-29 what is the present status.
Drdo idiots have the ability to scuttle many programs and then twiddle their thumbs as they know no body will held responsible. Will it be feasible to just dump their product and go in for the saab system .Is it possible to get tech transfer from them given the huge no to be ordered ie more than 400 +systems ?

now are we waiting for cassidan or drdo to shrink the maws sensors?

we are gaga over making the ak-203 but what about the shit ammo OFB makes?? I have personally seen ofb .22 long range bullets that are bent ? we definitely need a similar factory to cater to the needs of the ak-203?
In the previous pics posted you have depicted a seeker of the barak that looks like a normal seeker rather than a ASEA seeker. PSe clarify

jsr dynamics and tonbo have partnered to gether to make glide weapons .Seems the air marshall dream is coming true??
can you post pics of them. Tonbo seems to exhibited a cutting edge seeker ie DSMAC . terrain matching seeker. Have they done it or its just a proposal? i am in awe of what tonbo guys do. Was BEL so impressed by them to have made a JV? Because if things go right we can have a desi spice weapon.
Rafael seems to have a pylon mounted jammer , it could used to save pylon space for the LCA?
Is there a proposal to fit meteors on to mirages?? do you envisage any problems ?





asd said...

Dear Prasun,

1. In the last thread you told that Rafale will be the first craft with IRST. Now to my last query you told that from beginning outset Su-30Ks are fitted with IRST. I am getting confused bcoz I am missing the dots.

2. According to your information, if Sukhoi 30MKI is compromised to install the D29 suit, of course it's performance will be diminshed. In this condition, how will it fare against F-16.

3. Why does IAF take risk by accepting such suboptimal solutions from DRDO? I suggest first go for import and get your craft potent enough to scare your enemy. Then develop your own solution.

Anonymous said...

Sir,

Many a time work colleges will make fun of IAF recent strikes. This after a pak was fired for punching an Indian. A senior manager of French origin's comments were even worse. Are there any non-Indian resources that I could point them to?

Kind regards,
Monty

just_curious said...

Prasun,

Can India really do away with art 370 & 35a without any legal issues?

Kaustav said...

@Monty,

Apologies, but are u seriously nuts!!!! How does it matter? Why justify??

Susan said...

Prasun da,

Is it true tha IAF CH47i use PAWS MAWS than AN/AAR-57.Its also the case for IAF Apache gunship.

Also what other customize sub system installed in IAF CH47i and Apache.

Susan

Kaustav said...

Happy Baisakhi...Fasal-e-Ishaan -Wish you a good harvest - Happy New Year Poylaa Boishakh JAI HIND JAI JAWAN JAI KISAN

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: As I have repeatedly explained several times before, LRAAMs all overf the world are used against lumbering bombers, not manoeuvrable combat aircraft. Present status of both MAWS & Super Su-30MKI is just as I have explained, i.e. the Indian side should stop pretending to be blessed with all-knowing wisdom & should instead listen to what the aircraft designer OKB Sukhoi has to say & propose. The last time sich Indians displayed their all-knowing wisdom was when some smart alec wanted the rubber tyres for the truck carring the TPQ-37 Firefinder CBR to be indigenized & the end-result was that to accommodate the ‘desi’ tyres, the entire rim of the wheel had to be redesigned & rebuilt!!!

The MILDS-2 MAWS on board the CH-47FI & AH-64EI helicopters is the very same that was originally developed by South Africa’s Grintek Avitronics & it is also on the Su-30MKMs of Malaysia & this very same OKB Sukhoi-certified MAWS fitment is the only option for the Su-30MKI, period.

The JSR Dynamics/Tonbo PGM shown at Aero India 2019 bears no resemblance at all to the fanboy models displayed by AM Deo at Aero India 2015. Why should fitting Meteors on Mirage-2000s be a problem when both are French products?

To ASDE: 1) You are sounding very confused indeed by mixing up IRST sensor with MAWS sensor. 2) D-29 suite was never proposed for Su-30MKI, but for Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A. 3) IAF has never compromised. IAF has no far not approved the Super Su-30MKI upgrade package as proposed by DARE & HAL.

To MONTY: Never fall for FAKE NEWS. Here is the truth:

https://theprint.in/defence/report-on-pakistan-pilots-training-on-rafale-traced-to-egyptian-site-run-by-ex-radical/221483/

To SUSAN/UNKNOWN: It is the MILDS-2 MAWS suite from Hensoldt of Germany that is installed on both the Chionooks & Apaches of the IAF.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JUST_CURIOUS: There’s no need to abrogate anything at all, but merely to bring in amendments. After all, there cannot be Article 369 followed by Article 371, or Article 34 followed by Article 36. So, sound common-sense demands that both Article 370 & Article 35A be amended to the satisfaction of all concerned parties. Unfortunately, no one seems to be understanding this & everyone’s flowing with opposing tides!

To KAUSTAV: World’s biggest aircraft to fly is now from the US, & not from former USSR/Russia anymore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J7K2Umbh38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgWx86ZkjH4

Chandan said...

Prasun sir,
1) What kind of damage can britain do if it decides to use economic influence against us? Will the result be like what has happened to Iran Post 1979 or Russia Post 2014? Or something else?

2) On a different note, why is it that the americans never sent another human mission to the moon over the last 50 years? Was it only the cost factor?

3) Do you think India will fall into middle income trap or will we fail to reach even that?

4) Which state in your opinion is the best in India overall?

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa, শুভ নববর্ষ

Hope this new year brings you and all your loved ones peace and much joy.

Best Regards,
VIKRAM

AMIT BISWAS said...

Sir I would like to know whether these MAWS sensors and electronics LRUs are interchangeable among different platforms???
If yes then what's the dilemma for IAF commanders to use there financial powers to procure small quantities of MILDS MAWS for Su 30 MKI , involve Beds and OKB Sukhoi/HAL as secondary partner and carry out installation of critically needed MAWS....
commonality of sensors and LRUs of MAWS across different platforms could be justified to dump DRDO developed solution.... if initial effort succeeds IAF can go for large scale modification on its own...will it be a difficult job for BRDs to take up?

Or even some private sector company or BEL could get licence for indigenous manufacture of MILDS MAWS sensors and LRUs...

I Just could not understand why these lazy bureaucrats refuse to apply sound logic in terms of defence matters while they claim themselves to be highly knowledgeable cadre of officers...instead it seems they are jack of all and master of none....i just feel pity for sukhoi pilots who will be sitting ducks for PAF /PA in case of hostilities

AMIT BISWAS said...

Sir Any updates about nirbhay missile launch today and mission objectives??

Buddha said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JqBDaJsqOSY
Angle of Attack - How Naval Aviation Changed the Face of War

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

When will Government of India place order for further batch of Rafale fighter planes? Any speculation as per your knowledge?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CHANDAN: 1) The world’s financial rules & regulations are made by only 2 countries: The UK & the US. That alone gives them economic primacy. 2) Perhaps they have been sending, but not acknowledging them. 3) That depends on what India’s vision is as an economic power. 4) The one that is the smallest & easiest to govern, i.e. Puduchery.

To VIKRAM GUHA: And the very same to you all your loved ones.

To AMIT BISWAS: LoLz! Leave alone aircraft, not even the components found in automobiles are inter-changeable. There should be commonality of self-protection sensors & countermeasures dispensers, but this policy wasn’t adhered to since the previous decade. As I have explained above, for helicopters & the EMB-145I AEW & C platforms, the sensors have come from SaabTech (which obtains them from Grintek Avitronics of South Africa & sells them as Saab’s products), while for combat aircraft confusion was created in the previous decade when the DARE decided to co-develop MAWS with ELBIT/Elisra, while in a parallel effort BEL teamed up with Cassidian (now Hensoldt) to co-develop the AAR-60 MILDS-F. So now, DARE is competiong against a DPSU like BEL! That’s how dysfunctional the whole process is within the MoD!!! And not a word about this gigantic mess from any of the RMs who served from 2008 till to date.

Here’s the update on yesterday’s Nirbhay LACM launch:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4MMKMJW4AAoW6D.jpg

As for the Nirbhay cruising 5 metres above the sea etc etc, those are also FAKE NEWS. The Nirbhay does not possess any sensors that enable it to undertake terrain-hugging flight-profiles.

To ASD: of course, that’s a given. But what is surprising is that so far the total industrial offsets package has not yet been finalised, especially the one pertaining to the DRDO.

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

নববর্ষের প্রীতি ও শুভেচ্ছা নেবেন প্রসুন দা, Wishing every body here a very happy Bengali New Year 1426.

Prasun Da, why nose cone of Nirbhay looking different this time, is it photographic angle or anything else ?

https://scontent-maa2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56913316_1109110962601968_2621086315885625344_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-maa2-1.xx&oh=31ef7a09ebeb3db7bf8d5280d49851a7&oe=5D31BD31

https://scontent-maa2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56980814_1109110975935300_1899064637974904832_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-maa2-1.xx&oh=48aaab7558c85f42b99c0d279e930b51&oe=5D36BD43

vs this old one

https://www.thestatesman.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Nirbhay-missile.jpg

Thanks

rad said...


Hi prasun
I think there is a combination that would be a winner IE the DSMAC developed by Tonbo mated with the now successful nirbhay.
HAve you interacted with the Tonbo guys regarding this ?

which do you think is more effective ?? imaging radar or the DSMAC sensor
??
what are he chances of a nirbhay type missile getting shot down by ground defenses by Pak in a co ordinated massive multiple launches against say Sargodha? which will be more cost effective than ac.

I reckon the cost to be around 1 million .what is ur estimate. Loosing 3 to 4 modern fighters with crew is going to be a night mare. 100 of them into sargodha will be most cost effective??
This was demonstrated by US in Syria> your comments ??

what tech do wee need to go from low level to terrain hugging profile for the Nirbhay??

have they moved a squadron of spyder , akash and barak into Kashmir? covering the ingress routes the pak ac took??

when co developing the MAWS , does it mean knowing the algorithms as well??

is there a program to develop DIRCM with Israel?

can the laser irst turret on the mig-29 and su-30 be used as a dircm at a cinch to blind IIR missiles ??, i hear rumors about that??




Prajjwal Dalal said...

https://www.wisconsinproject.org/india-missile-helpers/

Is there any element of truth in it that US,Franxe,Germany helped India is developing missile technology?If so,what books or links do you recommend to know more technical details on Indian missile's history and origin.
Thanks...

Buddha said...

https://theprint.in/world/pakistan-army-lines-up-personnel-for-tv-appearances-india-baiters-in-popular-voices-out/222474/

https://theprint.in/defence/after-5-trials-a-new-coat-of-paint-china-to-commission-second-aircraft-carrier-by-july/221762/

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

On 27th Feb if it is indeed true that Pakistani F-16s, JF-17s attacked the Indian Army facilities, why hasn't the IA, IAF shown any remains/parts of the air to ground weapons that the PAF used to target Indian military installations ? They did display parts of the AIM 120 .

Thank You

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

1. When will India start getting upgraded Sukhoi 30MKI i.e. Super Sukhoi?

2. Will India succeed in developing it's own AESA radar? I am asking about Uttam AESA radar. What's its status?

3. What did happen to the indignous AIP development programme for submarines? Is it in the right direction?

4. Any update on LCH's induction timeline, UAV Rustam - 2?

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp79b00752a000300070001-8
What's your opinion on this?

CIA did some work to find out reasons what was the reasons of floods that is reported throughout history.

On other note, I am damn sure if our intelligence agencies try to do study on why Dwarka was flooded, and was the Krishna real human entity or fictional.

Then half of Indians would laughed on them, we indians never able to see what is beyond horizon.

Arpit Kanodia said...

And obviously this is purely obvious.

The question automatically comes to mind, if Krishna was real. Then all the tech reported in Mahabharata might be true.

And if this is all reality, it hold serious consequences for India as a nation.

It is totally a national security problem.

But when someone tried to bring Mahabharata into science festival to think of it from scientific PoV. People , newspapers laughed at him.

Really situation is hopeless for us. While western intelligence community very well understand this as major problem for humanity as whole.

But we living in our own la la land.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUMANTA NAG: It is just an optical illusion due to the sunlight’s reflection.

To RAD: DSMAC is no longer the preferred sensor solution for long-range LACMs. The IMR seeker using SAR technique is the preferred option since SAR-based targettiong imagery is more easily obtained that optical imagery & the former also gives terrain elevation data. To render Sargodha air base inoperable will require no less than 75 attacking LACMs. It is therefore far better to attacxk the HAS of any air base with top-attack BrahMos-1 Block-3. For terrain-hussing flights, a digitized terrain elevation database (comprising SAR imagery) of the flight-path to be adopted by the LACM will be reqd. The IAF is woefully short of SAM assets of every type. DIRCM has already been developed by the likes of Tata Power SED & some of them are vehicle-mounted for neutralizing IEDs.

To PRAJJWAL DALAL: Yers, it is 100% true. All the first 3 generations of engineers & technocrats of DRDO since the late 1950s were sent for training in the UK, followed by the US & Germany. There are some books available from Amazon on the DRDL’s history. Even today the preferred choice for DRDO engineers is the US & almost all the chikdren of serving & retired senior DRDO officials are all studying in the US. None of them want to go to any European/Scandinavian/Russian/Japanese destination.

To ANUP: That’s FAKE NEWS, which had originated here:

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/politics/post-pulwama-attack-govt-grants-emergency-powers-to-armed-forces-to-buy-weapon-systems20190416200746/

To VIKRAM GUHA: Because showing them would have revealed just how far inside the PAF had intruded. The remnants of the PGMs launched by the PAF can be seen here:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hm8tHdKjwYg/XH7e69GcG_I/AAAAAAAAQ7s/lgjEauBKz_EaFnT9oqbt-eHsqJz6lDNIgCLcBGAs/s1600/Raptor%2BPGM%2Bat%2BBhimber%2BGali.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZTqCwIfTNng/XH6LqYhchNI/AAAAAAAAQ7E/EqHPHmlQaT0xvlkjITiaKwok4Yjmiad6wCLcBGAs/s1600/Raptor%2BPGM%2Bat%2BBhimber%2BGali-3.jpg

To ASD: 1) As soon as after India selects the installation design offered for MAWES by OKB Sukhoi. 2) Depends on the money that is to be made available to the DRDO by the MoD. But far more important than such avionics is the environment control system (ECS), without which no MMR will function. And no R & D work is currently underway to develop an ECS. 3) It is still undergoing tests in order to determine its service-life. 4) None. Everyone is keeping quiet about it, nor has the LCH shown equipped with any multi-sensor warning system.

prateek said...

sir,
You have commented above about PAF intrusion into our airspace, and by your comment it seems that PAF intruded deep.
Just how deep did just PAF intruded ?
why weren't we prepared for it ?
how can a foreign country bomb our military bases with such impunity ? why weren't they made to pay a price for it ? do u think a price will be extracted in the future ?

just how bad is IAF's air defence situation ? what is being done to sort it ?

Thank you

rad said...


Hi prasun
I have this idea of taking out HAS, air defenses and other important installation regarding PAF bases .

1) to knock out the HAS containing F-16 and radars and C4 nodes with brahmos and then use the nirbhay to take out the rest as it is cheaper and as the air defense should be crippled to a large extent by the first wave of brahmos. Including AWACS shelters with awacs

2) using an emp warhead on a nirbhay in the first wave to explode of the air field and shut radars down, and by the time the airdefense computers reboot the following waves can take out the rest of HAS.

3) Then the strike packages can go in and finish what is left . Along with anti radiation missiles.

Alloting 50 brahmos to each PAF 10 main bases would need 500 missiles ie 2.5 bil $. but with that we can win the air war and finish the PAF of its front line fighters once and for all.

i wish the air chief exercise his power and buys OKB approved MAWS to protect the fighters in the next skirmish that could take place any time .

IS dsmac cheaper than Imaging radar which i guess? how can we leverage the tech tonbo guys have made to suit us and in what missile, glide bomb can we use them ?.

we have successfully demonstrated the asat which uses IIR sensor along with the critical algo . The sensor should be a hi tech one given the closing speed of approaching target. Now what stops us from making a IIR imager for our desi IIR CCM? as we have everything in house due to astra spin off ie, rocket motor, fuse,inertial nav systems, warhead etc. Now the critical algo is also there. we also have the algo developed for the MPATGM which would largely help as well regarding the acquiring and discrimination of real time video processing of target.
when a technical inferior country like S AFica can develop its own IIR missile and MAWS etc why cant we ?.whats holding us .As it is natural thing to go for the IIR missile after we have succeeded in the radar guided missile.?

is it not better to ask the israelis to do the ECS cooling unit for the aesa radar rather than reinvent the wheel.?








rad said...

hi prasun
why did the h4 glide bombs fail?? after all it is a tried and tested weapon from denel? and surely they must have programmed the flight path before hand .? does it need a
i suspect some form of jammng the datat link of the wepaon by the 8222 jammer other wise all of them could not have failed?.

Millard Keyes said...

Some people are so naive I wonder why they bother asking questions they ought to ask themselves.For instance when someone says the UK has a huge influence on India still they don't mean that Britain holds the puppet strings- because India copied everything based on the British systems they are subject to the British systems of bureaucracy. So Britain has psychological and political influence - not military or administrative control to lead India whichever way it wants.Anyway it was better if childish questions were kept private.

hoods007 said...

Hi parsun

Few days ago India and UK signed a defence MOU. What's that about?

Ludwig said...

Prasun Da what is this in the white circle in this image, I don't think a VLS can be this small?
https://twitter.com/PremJoshi300/status/1118457660494336000

AMIT BISWAS said...

Question asked by Mr Vikram guha and your reply to it does indicate so many things that IAF and it's top brass is hiding it's own failures to citizens of this country.
Many a times I have observed you justifying statwent of B S DHANOA , who i believe is highly over confident ignoring his forces weakness...but at this juncture his own and IAFs cedibility is at risk knowing fully that PAF may retaliate and they did successfully by ingressing into indian territory without any opposition from Indian forces....

Bramhastra said...

Hi Prasun - Without DSMAC or TERCOM how was Nirbhay able to perform this as mentioned in https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4MMKMJW4AAoW6D.jpg what sensors were used?

"The Missile Demonstrated its Sea-Skimming capability to cruise at very Low-Altitudes." - How low are they talking here? There was no quantifiable data given in that notice.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AMIT BISWAS: You got it wrong. The IAF isn’t hiding anything at all. In facty, it cannot hide any such incident that had thousands of eye-witnesses. It is ther MoD & the Govt of India that’s hiding the severe shortcomings of the armed forces’ force modernisation efforts & shortfalls of miitary hardware. What the CAS of the IAF has been saying is true: i.e. HAD the IAF possessed technologically hardware, then the PAF would have dared to retaliate. What has therefore been saying is that if successive Govts of India have shied away from taking tough decisions & avoiding the procurement of urgently-needed hardware, then such inactions will have serious repercussions. That is what the IAF’s CAS has been saying since February 27, when a stalemate was reached, as beautifully explained here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBWXxFVTjH8&t=309s

To LUDWIG: LoLz! Anyone who bothers to visit the IN’s warships during public-day events will realise that those are manportable mounts for securing the ropes that are used for erecting tentages on-board the warships. They have nothing to do with VLS or BrahMos-1. It is the ‘desi’ imbeciles like that nitwit ‘patrakaar’ from NDTV that has now been exposed for good for not only lying, but also for mis-representation by making false attributions to the IN. That photo was taken during a PASSEX at Cam Ranh Bay conducted by the IN & Vietnam People’s Navy. So, how the hell can BrahMos-1 missiles be loaded into the VLS cells at Cam Ranh Bay? In reality, any IN warship’s armaments are always loaded BEFORE the warship leaves its homeport. Nowhere do the IN’s warships take on weapons-loads from a foreign port. As for the BrahMos-1, it comes cannister-encased, i.e. there are no removable parts & the entire cannister is lowered into the VLS cell. A simple view of images displayed at BrahMos Aerospace booths during various expos clearly shows in what shape/form the missiles are loaded into the VLS cells. In light of all this, the ‘desi imbecile’ from NDTV finally stands exposed as a perpetual liar & totally clueless idiot.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To HOODS007: It is an umbrella arrangement under which DRDO & industrial technocrats are routinely sent to various UK-based academic & industrial facilities for higher learning & training. Like I had stated 24 hours ago, there are no academic centres of excellence in India that can impart higher learning options on subjects related to military-technical & military-industrial arenas of activity. For instance, where do you think the IAF sends its pilots for treaining to become experimental test-pilots?

To RAD: DSMAC is applicable for tactical weapons, i.e. gliding PGMs with ranges of less than 100km, like Spoce-1000/Spice-2000. IR-CCM’s manoeuvrability is far more than that of BVRAAM & hence far more structurally-robust airframes are reqd. MPATGM in its present shape & form is over-sized, as its visuals confirm. The Apartheid-era South Africa was by now means technologically inferior & in fact, it many arenas it was even ahead of Israel since at that time South Africa has inexhaustible financial resources in the form of gold mines & it could therefore pay any price for attracting the best scientific/engineering talents from all over the world, like the late Dr Gerald Bull. The PAF’s raptors failed to reach their targets since they were dropped in a great hurry, plain & simple.

To PRATEEK: While the PAF’s F-16s intruded about 7km inside India-controlled airspace, the Raptor gliding PGMs that have a range of 60km intruded about 60km inside Jammu.The reason this was possible was because there was no SAM network available for deterring such ingresses. If the IAF would have had the reqd quantum of MR-SAMs & E-SHORADS reqd for the air-defence of J & K, such intrusions would have been neutralised & the PAF’s losses would have been far higher, i.e. it would have lost at least 6 of its combat aircraft on February 27. That alone would have confirmed the IAF’s supremacy over the PAF. But due to chronic shortfalls of hardware, all that the IAF achieved on that day was a stalemate, which is the sad & horrifying part.

prateek said...

Sir,
What are we doing to get these MR-SAMs and other air defence missiles ?
are we ordering required no.s of akash SAMs or Barak ?
How long will it take the IA & IAF to fulfill the shortfall atleast in J&k ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BRAMHASTRA: Unless specific figures are provided, speculation will persist. After all, very low-level for combat aircraft means 150 feet above ground, while sea-skimming can mean 5 metres above water. But what is sure is that Nirbhay does not possess terrain-hugging flight capability, as officially stated by former DRDO Secretary Dr S Christopher in several interviews over the past 3 years.

To PRATEEK: The orders have been placed, but they will take a long time to be fulfilled, perhaps as far as 2025.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN & BUDDHA: Interesting contributions on Article-370 & Article-35A:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om0OoTkCnu4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbep3_ZeTIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an0cmNhIYpE

Rahul 'Pappu' Gandhi's English-to-Malayalam Translator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyUMHHCh7I

Anonymous said...


Saying IAF achieved stalemate on the 26/27 is being generous to IAF and our defense establishment. Bigger failure was mis-reading of our opponent.

Bhav

Anonymous said...

https://www.thequint.com/news/india/cbse-drops-key-chapter-on-democracy-diversity-from-class-10-books

What this GOI trying to do white washing whole history n social sciences?
Where our education is heading please comment

Ron

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

What's your say about the recent hype about HJT 36 Sitara? It has again started flying. Will it be successful?

sbm said...

Two questions:

1) Has the contract for an additional seven Akash squadrons actually been signed? Or will it be?

2) Has the digitization and upgrade program for 12 Pechora squadrons started?

There is no doubt Dhanoa shares your views. He has been pushing additional E-SHORADs and MRSAM units.
The MRSAMs have been contracted but the additional Akash?

Mohan said...

Now more pain for pakistan.
Loc trade has been suspended.

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

What is the IJT (Intermediate Jet Trainer) Sitara? How will it fit into the IAF training system for pilots? Basic Pilot Training is Swiss Pilatus. JET Training is on the BAe Hawk. The supersonic LIFT aircraft might be the LCA SPORT, though it's not decided yet. Will the IJT be in addition to the Hawk AJT? In which case, why call it Intermediate? Is it because only flies Intermittently? Or because BAe itself has redesigned the aircraft for spin recovery, etc. Is it just a TD project like many of HALs projects for proof of concept? Please clarify. Too many questions!!!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: These will shed more light on how far ahead the US is on such matters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX538Mw-KqQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MinQHTl6ucg&t=22s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-fMv0n7ydI&t=349s

The big difference between ‘them’ and ‘us’ is that we get fixated by ritualistic sentimentality, while ‘they’ focus on the science of resonance associated with chants/incantations.

To ASD & KAUSTAV: It is immaterial whether or not the HJT-36 IJT project will succeed, since the IAF has already decided against procuring such IJTs. Of course HAL is free to continue developing the IJT for export markets.

To SBM: 1) The DRDO-developed Akash-1 extended short-range air-defence system (E-SHORADS), whose development began back in 1983, cleared its user-trials only in 2007, following which the IAF ordered 1,000 missiles and the Indian Army 2,000 missiles. The IAF service-inducted its first Akash-1 Flight in March 2012 upon completion of nine successful rounds of user-trials, with service commissioning following in July 2015. Eight Akash-1 squadrons are now in service, with 125 missiles in each squadron. Another six squadrons, worth around Rs 3,500 crore, are now in delivery and these will use Akash-1NG missiles fitted with the same indigenously-developed Ku-band active terminal seeker as that on the indigenous Astra-1 BVRAA M. The Indian Army expressed its desire to order the Akash-1 in June 2010, but it was only in 2017 that the order for two regiments (each comprising 288 launchers and 750 missiles) worth Rs 6,000 crore (US$2.8 billion) was placed. In terms of hardware content, the Akash-1 is 96% indigenous and sources its components from 330 Indian public sector and private sector industries. 2) It began way back in 2012.

To ANUP: VMT. Here are a few more eye-opening legal presentations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siE0dPYUep8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTbM08f7Zwg

To DASHU: LoLz! This is what she had stated:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/no-pakistani-soldier-or-civilian-died-in-balakot-air-strike-sushma-swaraj/story-uehLWmWC7KNAzs6YSyIHTO.html

She was referring to the avoidance of unnecessary collateral casualties. But instead, her usage of the term ‘civilian’ was completely distorted into ‘citizen’ & was spun off by the ISPR for domestic consumption as a distorted interpretation of what was actually stated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKXQJsdwUN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shZ0dvChjSU

sbm said...

When was the contract for the other 6 Akash sqn signed? Thanks.

prateek said...

Sir,
what is the structure of an IAF Akash sqn ?
and that if an IA Akash regiment ?
288 launchers for 2 regiments ?? sounds too high no. for a regiment or two.
when an arty regiment has atmost 21 guns.
also, since each launcher can caryy 3 missiles, how come 288 launchers come with only 750 missile ? not even enough to load all launchers even once ?
pleae clarify, sir.

Also, were there no legacy IA/IAF SAM assets in the valley on 27 feb ?

sbm said...

Two point of clarification besides when that six sqn akash contract was signed: 1) How many Pechora sqn are being upgraded vs how many in service? 2) How many OSA AKM sqn does the IAF operate? The Derbys supplemented rather than supplanted them I gather.

Any clarifications deeply appreciated.

Anonymous said...


Unfortunately, Times of India, reported it like that in a tweet and headline:

"No Pakistan soldier or citizen died in Balakot air strike: Sushma Swaraj http://toi.in/QpqcSb64"

ISPR referenced linked this tweet.

Quality is a serious issue with some journalist's.

Noobi

Rajesh Mishra said...

IJT Sitara may be completely bogus and useless. May be that Maldives may not like it even with at free of cost.

hoods007 said...

hi prasun

vishnu som is whining on twitter that super su-30 mki will not be getting a AESA but irbus E pesa radar.has something changed because I was under the impression that super upgrade will be getting the X-band ASESA-MMR variant of the NO-11M Bars.

Arpit Kanodia said...

sir,

I want to ask MAWS and TDL(like of Link 16) go into LCA Tejas Mk1A?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUg3YhoVOjs

she not explained anything about MAWS page or how D/L work.
Like it is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmQH7Al71i0

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: It was a supplementary contract that was inked last year itself. Follow-on orders are always supplemental & are not brand-new contracts. As for S-125 Pechoras, 30 Sqns were acquired in all, of wehich 16 are being upgraded & fully digitised. The US$272 million RFP to upgrade 16 IAF S-125 Sqns was issued in May 2016 to Tata Power SED, Larsen & Toubro, Reliance Defence, Offset India Solutions and a partnership of BDL & BEL. The contract was awarded in 2017 to BDL/BEL, with first deliveries to commence within 42 months of contract signature. As for SpyDer-SR, the IA is acquiring 4 Regiments worth US$250 million to replace all its OSA-AK & Strella-10Ms. The IAF has acquired 18 Firing Units of Spyder-SR LL-QRMs worth US$260 million that were contracted for in September 2009. RFPs for both reqmts were issued in mid-2005 to OEMs based in France, Israel, Poland, Russia, South Africa, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

To PRATEEK: It was all explained here long ago:

https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2015/01/consolidated-data-on-army-specific-air.html

To HOODS007: As I had already explained yesterday, never pay any attention to the ‘desi imbeciles’ who spread FAKE NEWS. What type of MMR will go on Super Su-30MKIs was spelt out way back at the Aero India-2011 expo by the then CAS of IAF, ACM P V Naik, & this was repeated at the Aero India-2019 expo by Anatoly G. Punchuk, Deputy Director of Russia’s Federal Services for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC), who confirmed the selection of AESA-MMR for the Super Su-30MKIs. And to be noted is that the usual bunch of ‘desi imbeciles’ (including the one you’ve quoted) who are habitual liars & hence periodically dish out FAKE NEWS were not present during the media interaction with the FSMTC at the Aero India-2019 expo!!! In fact, if you read his tweets, you will realise that he is deeply afflicted with the ‘Ghajini Syndrome’ & hence hence has begun referring to ‘Abhinandan’ as Abhimanyu.

And lastly, the KLJ-7A AESA-MMR being developed by China’s CETC is still in the prototype development stage with only four of the modes of operation having being developed so far inside the laboratory. It is still five years away from accepted into service, as explained to me by CETC technocrats present at the LIMA-2019 expo in Langkawi, Malaysia, late last month. Hence, all talk of J-11D or J-14 or J-16 etc etc is just illusory fantasizing by internet fanboys, rest assured.

sbm said...

Thanks Prasun! From what it seems the J-11 upgrade is kind of the Tejas MK1A on a larger scale. The Tejas Mk1A for all its many, many, many, many flaws means taking the Tejas Mk1 design to its limits.

The MWF is the fighter the Tejas should have been designed as from day 1.

But just one point on SAMs - the IAF operates 8 sqn of OSA-AKM - I think. 4 sqn of SPYDER are being delivered.

The IAF has confirmed upgrade of the OSA AKM.

Is this correct?

The SPYDER for the IA - has the contract been signed?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Ever since annual US economic & military assistance deried up for Pakistan in 2018, narcotics smuggling incidents have dramatically increased all along the northern Arabian Sea, with combined Afghan-Pak syndicates operating from Gwadar using 'stateless' dhows manned by Balochis of Iranian & Pakistani origin being intercepted numerous times, as follows:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2019/04/canadians-seize-25-tonnes-of-hashish-in-the-indian-ocean.html

https://combinedmaritimeforces.com/2016/03/06/hmas-darwin-seizes-large-weapons-cache/

https://combinedmaritimeforces.com/2016/02/04/ctf150-hmas-melbourne-makes-fifth-drug-seizure/

https://combinedmaritimeforces.com/2017/06/28/nearly-2-tons-of-narcotics-seized-under-ctf150-operation-southern-surge/

https://combinedmaritimeforces.com/2018/05/14/hmas-warramunga-continuing-to-sweep-up/

https://combinedmaritimeforces.com/2017/03/03/combined-task-force-150-seizes-hashish-upon-the-high-seas/

https://combinedmaritimeforces.com/2018/05/17/marine-nationale-ship-la-fayette-seizes-over-60m-usd-of-heroin-in-support-of-ctf-150/

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/rs-500-cr-heroin-from-pak-seized-in-gujarat-9-iranians-held/749172.html

http://www.uniindia.com/rs-500-cr-heroin-seized-aghan-national-among-two-held-in-gujarat/west/news/1562649.html

These same syndicates are also now being employed for smuggling of explosives from Pakistan into India via seaborne means through Gujarat:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/terrorists-using-chinese-grenades-sent-by-pak-intel/story-8Bz90lpvHIfq6hKMF4l4VJ.html

Chandan said...

1) Prasun sir the following are the costs of various warships being built in India.
(The dates in brackets are when the contract was awarded and the price I have given per ship are calculated according to those dates)

1) P15a - 11662 crores (2006 contract)
around $850 million PER ship

2) P17 - 8100 crores (2006 contract)
around $600 million PER ship

3) P17a - 45000 crore (June 2009 contract)
around $1350 million PER ship

4) P15b - 29325 crores (Jan 2011 contract)
around $1600 million PER ship

What explains the massive increase in prices for the P17a and p15b? Considering they are very similar to P15a?

2) When cost of projects like these are calculated, what do they include?
Do they include weapons like brahmos and Barak 8?
If so how many rounds?

Thanks

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: The J-11 upgrade is of the ‘deep’ type that is likely to involve the replacement of older AL-31F turbofans as well. As for the Tejas Mk.1A, if sound common-sense is applied, then there’s ONLY ONE RAY OF HOPE to make it a functionally effective L-MRCA, & I have left clues above on how to achieve it through these 2 images:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SqhLTIj4yzc/XK0nvvGeUEI/AAAAAAAARDw/Q1zCUGve3FIglOhRQFViDEHHbLtBEBfawCLcBGAs/s1600/Saab-1.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zSxuRWYN7FY/XK0n2rm1fnI/AAAAAAAARD0/CIMlVye7tB07wYDQ4wG90HzXsiQyJvkJACLcBGAs/s1600/Saab-2.jpg

If such multi-purpose underwing attachments can be integrated, then the Mk.1A will have a 3-in-1 benefit, i.e. possessing airborne self-protection jammers (like ELT-568 now found on the MiG-29UPGs), MAWS sensors & dual/triple-ejector racks in rolled into one. Such 3-in-1 solutions (available from Saab of Sweden & Terma of Denmark) were shown on the JAS-39 full-scale mock-up at Aero India-2019. This in turn will do away with the need for a dedicated underwing station for the EL/L-8222 pod. One can only hope that someone from the IAF, DARE & HAL can absorb all that is shown in the 2 images & then draw the logical conclusions!!!

As for the IAF, originally, it had procured four each of OSA-AK & Strella-10M Sqns. Later, by the mid-1990s the Strella-10Ms were transferred to the IA. OSA-AK’s digitisation was undertaken late in the previous decade after a similar programme for the Kub/Kvadrat SAM was undertaken in the late 1990s. IA’s Spyder-SRs are now been delivered. Deliveries began in 2016.

To ARPIT KANODIA: So far, there’s no MAWS on Tejas Mk.1 or Mk.1A. As for TDL, this is the one specified by the IAF for procurement:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/--MrzhtgefBQ/WZS7Ns8-e5I/AAAAAAAANYw/v9Z6i28c9HQc0IG5rveG29CSnckEExU0QCLcBGAs/s1600/RAFAEL%2527s%2BBNET-AR%2BSDR.jpg

Essentially, a TDL is part of the overall software-defined radio (SDR) package, which in India has been developed in-house by HAL & is known as SOFTNET-2010. It combines VHF/UHF/L/UHF SATCOM bandwidths all into one unit/LRU to offer voice/data comms exchange. VHF/UHF is used for voice comms between combat aircraft & between combat aircraft & tactical ground controllers, L-band is used for communicating with AEW & CS platforms, & UHF SATCOM is used for communicating with ground exploitation stations of the IACCCS network.

At Aero India-2019 I asked those very HAL officials why the hell they were showing that cockpit mock-up when the IAF had already specified an all-new design cockpit with panoramic AMLCDs for Tejas Mk.1A. To add to the confusion, HAL was displaying panoramic AMLCD installation on both the LCA 'Sport's cockpit mock-up & the upgraded Jaguar IS cockpit mock-up! No one could provide a convincing answer & almost all of them just kept their heads down & started giggling!!! That's 'desi' marketing for you--beyond hope & beyond despair. One ends up not knowing whether to laugh or cry!!!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD & BUDDHA: Discussion on India’s AEW & CS Platforms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS_Gu8kYBfE

Tejas Mk.1 Startup & Aerobatics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGrdyL7KjE0

Su-30MKM Startup & Aerobatics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdUv_Nu5qyg

Profile of Brig Ijaz Shah, New Pak MoS Interior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOqbmJFA6s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn74r2nyxLs

Combatting FAKE NEWS in India:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0LgwL6rMPk

PA COAS Visits NLI Regimental Centre:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df8zQnO9G30
FH-77Bs Going to Tawang:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikQRflgWFc8

IA’s MBTs Going To The Deserts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNtb2Rs-ZSU

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

China's 2019 Int'l Fleet review in Qingdao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3pR2wfQ4po
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VprEfUQacE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vfBkPTfiLQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqWQiliwX7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hmq6_7EsSk

2018 Int’l Fleet Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyJfK_CSFk

Hambantota Port https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ9ZCA52t_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ZclHJU2Dc

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

Dada,
Had a big-time debate in FB over the LCA tejas and its fanboys facts taken from ur site .

Rat said...

Legend has it that Vishnu Som not only has a great ego but a huge বাঁড়া

hoods007 said...

hi prasun
you wrote several years ago that IN had decided to acquire remote-controlled RHIBs equipped with dunking sonars. has any progress been made in that front or is it mired in red tape.and noises are being made to develop A330 based AWACS with US assistance with 2 being acquired off the shelf and 3-5 being made with US-DRDO collaboration. how accurate is this?

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

My question is more related to internal security, especially about the possibility of GOI allowing Chinese telecom giant Huawei to provide 5G services in India.

90% of India's telecom equipment are imported from Nokia(Finland), Cisco (USA )Ericsson(Sweden), Samsung(South Korea) etc. So potentially all these countries can snoop on Indian citizens.

Why is it that there is hardly any domestic production of these equipment in India, despite the fact that there are very large companies in India like Reliance, TATA, Adani etc?

Thank You


asd said...

Dear Prasun,

1. In its new avatar, can HAL find export success for HJT 36 Sitara?

2. If Tejas MK1A with triple ejection rack has got the MAWS and SPJ installed, how much potent it would be? How much will you give in a scale of 10?

3. Will Tejas MK1A can get IRST? Please tell me.

4. When you are having sensible suggestions, do you do your duty by communicating the same to HAL/MoD?

AMIT BISWAS said...

Look very closely all these companies that you mentioned are just baniyas , doing business of natural resources and derived products...earning moolah without applying brains....

but for manufacturing telecom equipment we need to have good chip manufacturing foundries and hardware industries which we unfortunately don't have...
so it's a mammoth task to expect the same from these family driven business houses who don't give a damn to professionall management....

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To HOODS007: I didn’t say that IN had decided to acquire them, but instead had stated that the IN ought to acquire them. That was way back in 2008. Now, 1 year ago, ELBIT Systems had developed such a system & now it has appointed GRSE as its Indian agent for promoting this solution. And how can the US get involved in developing an AEW & CS variant of the Airbus A330 when the US is promoting competing solutions that use either the B.737NG or the B.777?

To VIKRAM GUHA: That’s because Indian companies are unable to provide complete solutions to all the varying hardware reqmts. While RoK & China have been building up their telecoms-related manufacturing capabilitiers/capacities for more than 2 decades, in India the exact opposite has been happening, i.e. the deliberate decapitation of state-owned entities like BSNL.

To ASD: 1) That very much depends on whether or not HAL succeeds in developing a functional & safe end-product. 2) It will be a fully functional combatant platform & will rank 9 on scale. 3) No. There’s no space for such a fitment. 4) Why should all thjis be communicated separately when everything has been clearly explained in places like this blog?

To DASHU: This is Iran’s methodology for ‘improving’ bilateral relations with Pakistan:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4lQdn2WAAAO1fn.jpg

sbm said...

Hi A question... the P-15 Destroyers have 32 SAMS. Why not more or are an additional 32 reloads held below decks?

VSJ said...

Sir, this literally answers all my queries on defensive capabilities of our jets! Thank you.

1) The 9 EW aircraft sought by IAF comjam and elint, will they be capable of or can be enhanced to the level of aircrafts being added by UAE and others for the awacs jamming?

2) What is Compass Call's role exactly?

3) any progress on 2 ISTAR? Follow on phalcons and netras stuck too?

4) can any jet, given range and payload with self defense be converted into growler type EW jets?
Like sukhoi30mki?
How is it ensured multiple jamming pods do not interfere with each other and aircraft, while affecting enemy's?

5) How is IFF done between sister services, if they all work in seperate network silos, to avoid friendly fire?

Thanks.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: There are 32 cannisters each containing a reload SAM below-decks. So the total no of SAMs available on each P-15A/B DDG is 64.

To VSJ: 1) They will all be of the same type as ordered by Australia, UAE, etc. 2) Information warfare, radio broadcasts & also the covert infiltration of cellular comms networks. 3) 2 ISTAR platforms entereed service with NTRO way back in 2015-16. Additional 2 A-50I PHALCONs await ordering. No more EMB-145Is reqd. 4) Yes, if they carry escort jammer pods. Multiple jamming pods operate in different bandwidths & hence they do not cancel each other out. Separate pods are reqd for high-band, mid-band & low-band jamming. 5) It WILL be done through the introduction of siftware-defined IFF transponders, just like SDRs are now being introduced for comms.

To DASHU: Iran's way of exacting revenge from Pakistan without any chest-thumping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIdp9czGFrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnD1ucUfUco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uPVz5XhhMw

Additional data on PLAN's Int'l Fleet Review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ6W-f5Jg8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Jce11rFac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wRbE3NBQ7Y

PLAN's Undersea Warfare Force: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nXps6eAH-M

Hardik Thanki said...

Hi Prasunji

Britain is offering India Elizabeth class aircraft carrier design. According to you should India consider the design for our next aicarft carrier.

Thanks & Regards

Hardik Thanki

Rahs said...

Hi Prasun, could you please shed some light on the current status of Indian IACCCS sensor fleet ? (ref: http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2012/01/iafs-multi-phase-iacccs-being-enhanced.html). SIPRI reports only 19 x GS-100 and 23 x EL/M 2084. Any updates on either the LRSR procurement (EL/M 2288 AD-STAR or Ground Master 400), or the EL/M-2082 ADAR ? Maybe a followup/update on your previous article (referenced above), time permitting ?
Regards !

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

While going through the last thread dedicated to Tejas programme, I went through the slide that shows the specifications of Tejas MK1A. I didn't find any mention of MAWS. Only SPJ is mentioned.

Now Clear the air by saying whether MAWS is integral part of MK1A or not. Or it is mere your suggestion to use triple ejector for effective fitments (HAL is completely ignorant about it).

Kaustav said...

Dear Mr.ASD,

My apologies, but I believe all that Prasunda writes is very clear backed up by repeated clarifications Thankfully you have a very patient man in Prasunda, though I guess, your style of query & maybe your understanding of the English language could do with some impovement. Sorry again.


Prasunda,
The way the lunatic right is dominating the political discourse, it seems that India would continue to remain a Refusing to Develop Country with idiotic Yogis & Sadhvis ruling the roost, even if the NDA wins. OTOH, the socialist coalition is a sure shot shortcut to disaster. @this rate, India shall never be able to stand up to China even with the support of the Western democracies/market & the Russian oligarchs.
Touching double digit growth rates and building a sound core industry base in electronics, metallurgy, material sciences, transport & power systems with sound Science & Tech infrastructure seems a distant dream as also the nascent MIC doomed to a wasteful DRDO/DPSU exercise. Is there any hope at all.

asd said...

Dear Kaustuv,

I understand your concern. But truly I take time to understand. So I ask queries. Many times although the explanation is simple still it doesn't penetrate my thick skull (as Prasun da mocks). However, I feel my questions are not rude in nature.

Jasgill said...

Sorji what's India future sadhu, Yogi & Sadhvis lead India's Future i mean if yes tu india will not United & next 10 year's very important for india

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAHS: It was all detailed in FORCE’s October 2018 issue. Here are the details:

For ensuring gap-free air-surveillance along the mountain valleys and high-altitude passes in India’s north-west, northern and north-east regions, a total of 10 ELTA Systems-built L-band EL/M-2083 ‘Airstar’ aerostat-mounted medium-power radars to add to the two already in service, is required. Based on the DRDO’s proposal in January 2009, the MoD sanctioned the DRDO’s efforts to engage 13 Indian industrial partners for developing an active phased-array, S-band LLTR known as Ashwini. The IAF has since indicated an initial order for 18 Ashwini LLTRs following successful field evaluation trials (FET), against a total requirement for 67. In November 2002 the IAF had projected a requirement of 23 S-band active phased-array medium-power radars (MPR) for service-induction between 2007 and 2017, so that they could replace the BEL-built L-band PSM-33 Mk.1/2, P-40 and TRS-2215D radars, which had completed their service life of 20 years. Based on the IAF HQ’s ASQR of November 2004 and due to non-availability of indigenous technologies, the MoD in April 2006 approved the importing of 15 MPRs (ELTA Systems’ EL/M-2084) and the indigenous development of eight ‘Arudhra’ MPRs. FET of the Arudhra was only recently completed with success. In addition, 37 air base-located 3-D, S-band ‘Rohini’ Central Acquisition Radars (CAR) are now in delivery as are 21 DRDO-developed ‘Aslesha’ S-band Low-Level Lightweight Radars (LLLWR). The DRDO, along with private-sector Indian industry, has also developed upgrade packages for the existing 30 Indra-1 (GRL 600) 2-D L-band gapfiller radars of the IAF and seven Indra-2 (GRL-610) of the Army, which were supplied by BEL in the 1980s. All these radars can now function as 3-D solid-state digital radars. A similar upgrade package is now being implemented for the IAF’s 18 PSM-33 Mk.2 L-band 3-D high-power radars (HPR) of late 1970s vintage. Meanwhile, BEL with the assistance of THALES has refurbished the nine THALES-supplied TRS-2215D S-band high-power radars (HPR) that had been procured since February 1984. The DRDO has already commenced work on developing an indigenously designed L-band HPR, for which a requirement of 15 units has been identified by the IAF.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To HARDIK THANKI: The RN’s aircraft carrier design is optimized for F-35 JSF flight operations, whereas the IN’s IAC-2 design will be optimized for MRCAs like the Rafale. Hence, the RN’s solution is not applicable to the IN.

To ASD: That’s simple: MAWS was not specified by the IAF for Tejas Mk.1A. Yes, using 3-in-1 ejector racks is my proposal.

To KAUSTAV: These two links sum it all up:

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/out-of-my-mind-new-hegemonic-order-set-to-take-over-elections-india-democracy-5686248/

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nation-sans-accountability-my-vote-culpable-optimism-kamath/

To JASSGILL: Just as post-independent India has survived & functioned despite the existence of successive govts in power, this will continue to be the case. To get a better understanding of what I mean, kindly read this interesting book:

https://www.amazon.in/dp/1846684307/ref=pe_3025041_185740121_TE_item

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

A few strategic analysts are suggesting that today's blasts in Sri Lanka could have been carried out by China because China is hand in glove with local Islamic militants in SL & elsewhere.

What China wants is a flight of capital from Sri Lanka, so that Sri Lanka cannot pay back the loans it has taken from China and this gives China the opportunity to take over land in Sri Lanka.

Will you please share your thoughts on this topic.

Thank You

Ashish said...

Hi Prasun da,
I am a big fan of your blog. Thank you for the in-depth knowledge you impart. Just had a few questions.

1) Who do you think will win the MMRCA 2.0? Is it going to be Rafael?

2) What are the chances of BJP coming back to power?

3) Do you think Russia will agree to 80% localisation for the T-90 MS order to go through?

4) Is there any chance for India to procure the SU-50 in the near future?

5) What do you think India would do with the tempest offer from UK?

6) There has been a lot of news regarding Pakistan wanting to buy 8-9 billion worth of aircrafts and Medium range AAD. Is this fake news? What is your take on this?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Ashish

AMIT BISWAS said...

Even I am awaiting for it....maybe a review kind of post covering all existing , upcoming projects

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CHANDAN: The reason is one & one only: long gestation periods for completing the design of warships. As a result, we repeatedly see only 32% of the superstructures of such warships being floated & then they are left to rot for the next 4-5 years due to non-finalisation of detailed design of the complete warship, which then translates into orders for weapon systems being placed in a delayed manner & modular shipbuilding concepts being ignored. For instance, the contract for the BAE Systems-developed 127mm naval cannons for the P-17A FFGs & P-15B DDGs has not yet been inked despite the MoD’s DAC approving their procurement last year. All of this results of millions of extra man-hours of work being expended & all this costs a lot of money. I had explained how moduylar shipbuilding techniques can be adopted way back in 2008 here:

http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2009/03/can-they-or-cant-they.html

To ASHISH: 1) The Rafale is byfar the best bet available. 2) The chances were assured 2 years ago. 3) If India could fully indigenize the T-72M1’s 780hp engine onlky in 2018 (despite starting work in 1988), then how can anyone ever hope for achieving 80% indigenization of T-90MS? 4) No. 5) Do a pree-feasinility study of the offer. 6) Totally fake news.

To DASHU: France, India and & Rafale Deal: Are crony capitalism accusations justified?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-LvRRTUX0

And this ‘love story’ is getting hilarious by the day!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEX6DUpir8

Excellent Analysis of Iran-Pakistan Ties:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0_4ENPn9qk

And this business should have been introduced into India decades ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SShnq2GtofM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiUHmL5JULw

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: No need to pay heed to such conspiracy theories. Instead, this is what the evidence points to:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/thawheed-jamat-group-active-in-tamil-nadu-prime-suspect-behind-sri-lanka-blasts/articleshow/68982186.cms

Meanwhile, at last there's confirmation about what had happened between February 27 & March 6:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/lok-sabha-elections/have-we-kept-our-arsenal-for-diwali-pm-modi-on-pakistan-s-nuclear-threats/story-wD5QPU4QVR9GvCjaOle76M.html

This is what I had then said: The only plausible reason why these UAS platforms were sent from Pakistan was to ascertain whether the IAF had conducted any preparations for undertaking a missile-strike (with ground-launched BrahMos-1 Block-3 missiles) against probable targets like the JeM’s headquarters at Bahawalpur, or the Karachi-based seafront villa owned by Dawood Ibrahim at D-13, Block-4, Karachi Development Authority, Scheme-5, Clifton.

DAshu said...

Thank you Sir for those urls.
What do you think of the Vijay Gokhale's visit to China just before BRI meet?
my wish is to see those BrahMos-1 Block-3 missiles burning those targets.

Jasgill said...

Thnx sirji answering my question and for book but post independent india was not run by yogi, sadhu, sadhvis or modi. Post independent india have leadership like sadar patel, Lal Bhadaur shastri, Nehru etc. And more important that have not internet social media or fake indian news channels

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

Dada,

my comments seem to be missing, any reason ?

BR

AMIT BISWAS said...

Did IAF deployed brahmos block 3 for qatl ki raat after Feb 27 sikrmishes

Arpit Kanodia said...

I dont understand why anyone in right mind leave india for pakistan. lol.

If her husband was beating, why she not filed FIR, aaj kal to police bina kuch husband ke karne par utha kar le jaati hai.

Lol, people are amazing. peaceful islam.

Arpit Kanodia said...

And how she changed her punjabi accent so quickly. amazing.

Ashish said...

Prasun da,
If India is not going to procure the Su-57 or the tempest. Surely the US will not sell its F-35 to India, as we have procured the S-400. Then the only option is AMCA. Is this assumption correct or is there a silver lining to the cloud some where, that I am missing?????

VSJ said...

1) Sir, do Russians have MRTT type solution? We can get 12 Il76 transporters modified after relifing, now that c17s are here?

2) What are the current/proposed EW and self defense capabilities of jf17 block 2/3?

3) Are pod mounted IRST sensors available too? This literally means triple ejector racks could get everything in a mk1A from IRST,SPJ and MAWS without sacrificing weapons carried.

4) How do MAWS sensor fits such racks? Seems like there is a Control unit, bunch of sub units and 6 sensor plates for hemispherical coverage? Wouldn't main unit need to fit inside?

5) Are we looking for new bvraams for su30mki? European option are no go obviously.

Thanks

Anmol Chaudhary said...

Hi Prasun,

Pakistan and Iran setting up a joint border patrol force; announced cooperation of intelligence agencies; Imran Niazi Khan's Iran visit; Common adversary / frictional force in USA; commonality in Islam. Most importantly the US factor. India has even cut down oil purchases from Iran by 50 percent.

How do these affect Indias strategic relations with Tehran ? After the twin suicide attacks, there seemed to emerge a rational for a natural nexus between the two states. But it is more complicated than that isn't it?

voiceoftheneglected said...

Somewhere i feel the SL attack almost ties with Pak FM predicting India planning to attack Pakistan b/w apr 16- 20 . Seems he gave a cryptic warning on sea borne attack . Was such mass scale suicide attack via sea-borne planned in Inda ? Your views please.... It also sync with Pak not sending naval asset anywhere and also sync with multiple intercepts of the ind coast guards catching smugglers (deception) and strike in South India.

Millard Keyes said...

What happened to Nexter Caesar MGS and LMG requirements? Is the assassin rifle assassinated or will surface in another 20 years when everyone will have something more advanced?

Kaustav said...

MAWS on ejector racks,😂😂😂

The RAT said...

Franco-German consortium 5th gen AMCA only other natural option after opting Rafale that's what I believe is better option.

rad said...

hi prasun

i am given to understand that the el 2084 radar and the arudhra are the same the later being number plated by drdo as usual. was the software desi to call it indigenous?

Each service wing seems to being issuing different specs for nirbhay missile that are beyond the capability of poor drdo chaps , what to do now?

terrain hugging is possible for us due to the RISAT mapping terrain with potential flight path of nirbhay, as well as our SAR pod capacity on fighters. I do believe we a have a comprehensive digital terrain map of our neighbor hood?

what are the do able enhancements that can be made to our nirbhay.? like terminal homing , terrian hugging , low level sea flight, emp warhead, longer range etc?

i dont understand the drdo saying that the development flight for nirbhays are over with just 3 successes? Is it the norm or over confidence?

I think the 1st thing they should do is to mount the Imaging radar of the brahmos and have a coule of flight which should make it a pin point attack missile that could take out any target in pakistan? does the babur (cj10) have such terminal capability ? what is the CEP?
the manik engine is for the nirbhay? is it a success/?


Avijit said...

To Jasgil:

"post independent india was not run by yogi, sadhu, sadhvis or modi.
Post independent india have leadership like sadar patel, Lal Bhadaur shastri, Nehru etc."

Well , our much respected and venerated chachaji had his fair share of blunders and wrong decisions made out of personal whims and sometimes quixotic desires. Just painting him as a great guy who never misfired shows your lack of knowledge about history and political understanding. Its a good exercise to read some books like Prasunda has suggested...and might i suggest Samuel P Huntington's classic work THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS (although many things described in the book must be vigorously contested for its relevance now)?
Its very dangerous to have a myopic vision of history. Sardar Patel was home minister for almost 2.5 years and his political ideology was Right-wing (Moderate). Next comes Lal Bahadur Shastri, who was murdered to install Indira as the successor of Chachaji and hence the one family rule was established by the forces working from outside of India in cohorts with the people in the Indian political and social setup.

you seem to be suffering from a case of saffron phobia or are just trying to project it here for the readers... :D
sorry to break your fantasy drive...but Modi ain't no Hitler and we Indians are not Germans. Please take a look at the political class and leaderships all through the 80's and 90's when Mrs Gandhi encouraged the bureaucratic corruption and the quality of Congressmen. Prime Minister Indira Gandhi was barred from holding office for six years after she was found guilty of electoral corruption, which she ofcourse blatantly rejected.

https://www.businessinsider.in/9-of-the-biggest-corruption-cases-that-rocked-Indiaduring-Congress-rule-right-from-Indira-Gandhis-time/Bofors-1987/slideshow/55898123.cms


Taking the names of earlier stalwarts does not absolve congress of corrupt netas...anyways, its the bureaucratic setup which runs the governments and not the yogis and sadhvis (they are citizens of this country and constitutions does not bar them from contesting election!), in my observation, ours is so full of inertia that it will take at least 10 Modis working together (:D) to change into a state that your try to hint at aka Nazi or fascist.

Its a healthy habit of reading unbiased sources and then making all inferences and not first assume things and read the biased sources to confirm your bias and keep harping the same note. Its very dangerous to have a myopic vision of history.

AMIT BISWAS said...

Colonial mindset of insecure generals
https://twitter.com/ragarwal/status/1120523793653534720?s=20

Jasgill said...

Thnx for knowledge, but i am not like u who resd the books and Judge the people, i am average or middle class man and you belive or not its depends on you if this type BJP govt pover in next 10 years its very bad for country like India, i understand your love for yogi, sadhu, shadvi or modi. Modi is not Hitler but read history Hitler like a hero for his early time just like modi or our people worst than Germans,even Germans are not Hindu, muslim, sikh, Cristen etc. Or not like hundreds castes

Magicbullet said...

Sir , Could you please shed some light on what happened on 5_6March night...their are some references on it on twitter but nothing is explained

Susan said...

Prasun Da

Do IN Mig 29k have MAWS or Laser warning receiver ?Also what kind of radar warning receiver (RWR), electronic support measures (ESM) and electronic countermeasures (ECM) and SPJ pod IN
Mig 29k possesses.

Susan

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: This is a reasonably good explanation:

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/belt-and-road-form-india-china-5689217/

Pakistan Army Promotions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFJUeRmxxCk

PN Fires Harba ASCM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NzWuTRmq5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4PITLAsiU

PLAN’s Int’l Fleet Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgTAeZa6E9I

Discussion on INC’s National Security Manifesto:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e9LMxav-AE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fd6jaF5_HI

To AMIT BISWAS: No, they were BrahMos-1 Block-2s

To ASHISH: F-35 was never offered to India. And how can India develop the 5th-gen AMCA when even the 4th-gen MWF-AF Mk.2 hasn’t been developed as yet?

To VSJ: 1) No, they don’t. 2) They are all listed in the thread dealing with Myanmar’s acquisition of FC-1 MRCAs. 3) IRSTs contained within pods need to be carried by the centerline station that is not available on Tejas Mk.1/Mk.1A because this station will be used for carrying external fuel tank. 4) It is all about engineering packaging. When fitted on to racks, only 4 MAWS sensors can be carried. If they are airframe-mounted, only then will all six sensors can be accommodated. 5) Not reqd at the moment.

To ANMOL CHAUDHARY: These two discussions will explain it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfkVTWeIo2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfx76T4r04c

To VOICEOFTHENEGLECTED: The results of the investigations now ongoing in Sri Lanka will reveal from exactly where the various components of IEDs originated. In an island-nation, such components can arrive only by sea & not by land or air.

To PIERRE ZORIN: The MGS will be the Dhanush-52 mounyted on a BEML-TATRA high-mobility truck.

To RAD: Yes the Arudhra MPR’s software was indigenously developed. Nirbhay has unified specs as listed in the ADE brochure I had uploaded in a previous thread dealing with this LACM. Digitised terrain maps of neighbouring countries are still in the process of preparation. CJ-10/Babur all have CEPs not exceeding 30 metres. Manik is a reusuable turbofan for scaled-down Ghatak UAVs, & not for Nirbhay.

To UNKNOWN/SUSAN: No, the MiG-29Ks do not have such hardware. For EW, the EL/L-8222 pod is used.

Satyameva said...

Whilst I am not promoting a gender bias- I fail to see any SUSAN female reading this blog and asking defence question addressing Prasun as Prasun da! Especially only an Anglo Indian will be called Susan (very rarely a Malayali) therefore kindly throw some light as to the choice of names unless you feel compelled to fill the void of females. I think it is in the name line of names such as Ron, John, Beno and so forth...

Millard Keyes said...

So Prasun as far as MGS is concerned still a few years down the track then like everything else as it appears IA has opted against any Caesarean section! What about the Ghaatak/Ghatak who knows what assassin AR? Any progress or regress?

Harpreet said...

Prasun ji,

Can you please switch to a format where you can reply to individual questions rather than giving a collated reply in one post. Moving back and forth between questions and answers is quite a tedious and makes reading your otherwise very informative comments section difficult.

Thanks

AMIT BISWAS said...

The point raised by you pertaining to Sri Lanka has great ramifications for india....so indeed the worst fear coming true ......Islamic groups like PFI from kerala/south india can no longer be considered in hibernation mode....they have taken out there claws....will the Indian agencies will be engaged in ongoing investigations

AMIT BISWAS said...

Friends Russian style of realistic weapon testing :) enjoy

https://mobile.twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/910095610245779456

gourav said...

Hi,
My two cents.
Being an average middle class indian is no excuse for being ignorant of unbiased sources.
Your rant is devoid of logical argument.

Anonymous said...

I concur. Request you, Sir , if such a provision can be made. Accessing these Q & A sessions thru some cell can be very tedious.

Warm Regards,

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PIERRE ZORIN: Not at all. The MGS is now undergoing user-trials & it was unveiled in 2018 here:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zzwml-mJt8Q/WtJ9ZyT5rHI/AAAAAAAAOQ8/EbL_HtyJ7e07uzTjdvX8gHWVJwkRRGNlgCLcBGAs/s1600/OFB-developed%2B155mm%2B52-cal%2BMGS-1.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v2u5IU4OFeE/WtJ9fmyvSaI/AAAAAAAAORE/5Mm0E3TXWykHDhVPRJmSEFAYQvpaA-KVgCLcBGAs/s1600/OFB-developed%2B155mm%2B52-cal%2BMGS-3.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-slv4swwhVSk/WtJ9jBECeRI/AAAAAAAAORI/c2Mncdt92JIQaafS5LW9VI0gq58hdzDkACLcBGAs/s1600/OFB-developed%2B155mm%2B52-cal%2BMGS-4.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_E5odELqrhk/WtJ9qoWoquI/AAAAAAAAORo/HuAzqb5eDfwSNDEb4z227AftPBPjDSz0gCEwYBhgL/s1600/OFB-developed%2B155mm%2B52-cal%2BMGS-5.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cwKzXn-ERiY/WtJ9t7akBvI/AAAAAAAAORQ/2FaafUVrxWcpTDNC4NrA5KD72XXD3B2igCEwYBhgL/s1600/OFB-developed%2B155mm%2B52-cal%2BMGS-6.jpg

The same is the case with the Fhaatak 7.62 x 51 SLR

To HARPREET: Life was never meant to be a path filled with roses nor was it meant to be an effortless journey.

To ANUP: AL-41F-1 is the INTERIM powerplant for the Su-57 but it is meant also for powering the Super Su-30MKIs.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AMIT BISWAS: This is a far greater worry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWhkga4ecMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXuMoEJOuJw

As a rule, whenever they are caught before committing any act of crime, then they are charged & sentenced for only the offense of illegal entry & are deported after serving a 6-month prison term!

To DASHU: Effect of potential US sanctions against India:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMDQKplSPGA

Looks like this could be used as bait for making India go for the 114 F-21 MRCAs!

PA COAS Inaugurates National University Of Technology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKEOVmCNpTI

Maldives's Velana Int'l Airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCmMDQtpAN8

CREG’s Tunnel-Boring Machines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpZTtyDMlZU

Wonder why such machines can’t be produced in India when on any gioven day at least 12 such imported boring machines are operational in India’s major cities!

PLA Navy’s IFR in Qingdao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyVk6EeCE0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqBF1PE_jPg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEsng42bjrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wy9NqNRuQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAZMDKBX1QE

And finally, Pakistan Disowns Dr Aafia Siddiqui (watch from 0.16:44):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHWSNBfJ-UI&t=43s

For those who are unaware of this case, here is the background:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AEHVWtUvbM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLWhQEyS9cw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZrcH0OEi0

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

An Indian Air Force internal review of its February 26 air strike on Balakot in Pakistan has shown that its aircraft hit five of six designated mean point of impact (DMPI) on buildings in the Jaish-e-Mohammad terror training complex. The detailed review focuses on the strengths, weaknesses and lessons learnt from the air operation. The review highlights that full surprise was achieved through selection of target, means of operation and use of deception. This happened after Pakistan Air Force (PAF) was on full air defence alert mode, as seen by 6-8 airfields from where aircraft were scrambled after Balakot was hit. It also looks at the weaknesses and lessons learnt from the operation because honest appraisals only add to its capabilities. While acknowledging there could be a better weapon to target-matching and a better feedback loop to win the propaganda war, the review has highlighted the positives in terms of maintaining surprise, security of operations, pilot proficiency and accuracy of the weapon used. It also has hitherto unpublished details of the operation based on extensive debriefing and assessment. The operation had planned to use six Israeli Spice 2000 Penetrator type PGM (precision-guided munition) to hit the targets, and five of them had hit the designated mean point of impact (DMPI) on the buildings in the Balakot complex. One PGM did not leave the Mirage 2000 aircraft because it is a 35-year old legacy aircraft and there was drift in the inertial navigation system. It meant that there was a mismatch between the location seen by the PGM and the aircraft at the point of the delivery of the PGM, which led to it not being fired from the aircraft. Moreover, the IAF had also carried the Crystal Maze AGM 142 munition along with the Spice 2000 to hit the target. The Crystal Maze PGM could not, however, be fired because of heavy cloud cover which did not allow pilots to have a line of sight over the target area. With its backward data linkage, Crystal Maze would have provided a video image of the target being hit which would have helped IAF quell doubts raised in the international media about the effectiveness of its air strike. “In hindsight, we achieved our aim, hitting five of the six DMPI. Only one was unused. But considering the nature of the propaganda war that needed to be won, we could have used a weapon which would have flattened the target and we could have also sent a platform that gets us clear images or video of the destruction,” said an IAF official. The IAF has Spice 2000 penetrator type PGM, and not Spice 2000 Mark 84, in its inventory which can be fired from a stand-off distance—in this case, from the Indian side of the Line of Control. One of the rules of engagement stipulated for the operation was not to cross the LoC, although some Mirage 2000 aircraft, which were trying to fire Crystal Maze, did cross over to the other side to get a better line of sight on the target. The target selected was in the middle of nowhere, providing surprise at an operational level, and the deception used was so effective that the closest PAF aircraft were 150km away, near Bahawalpur, from the IAF fighters. Moreover, the IAF has concluded that the security of the operation was of the highest order with no breach of communication networks despite the fact that more than 6,000 people were involved in one way or the other. But the actual target at Balakot was known to less than 10 persons in IAF HQ. The assessment has also shown that the accuracy of weapons used was better than stated—Spice 2000 PGM has a circular error of probability of 3 metre—with the targets being accurately hit despite multiple PGMs hitting the same target. This has given greater confidence to the IAF on the use of Spice 2000 PGM. The review found pilot proficiency to be of the highest level, with commanding officers leading from the front. Five of the IAF pilots have been recommended for gallantry awards.

dilbert said...

"Looks like this could be used as bait for making India go for the 114 F-21 MRCAs!

Hi Prasun,

Sure, but I personally would not be unhappy if the F21 or the F18 were chosen, even if for the wrong reasons (i.e. fear of sanctions). I think choosing the Rafale would make the most sense, but either of the American planes would be a perfectly valid choice in its own right, even if sanctions were not threatened.

You know, I've heard the argument ad infinitum and ad nauseum that India shouldn't choose the F21 because Pakistan has the F16 and would therefore would be familiar with the aircraft's performance. I don't understand this argument. The fact is, the F21 is sufficiently different from the F16 Block 52 that Pakistan probably does NOT know all about it. I'm referring to the APG/80 AESA radar, the AIM-120D AMRAAM and the on-board IRST. IMO these are all significant arguments in favor of an American plane.

rad said...


hi prasun
there is a report that naval LCA with active levcons and improves software is g going for arrestor hook trials
what i dont understand from previous videos is that the LCA is already on its front and rear wheels before the arrestor hook catches the lines. It seems to be scrapping on the deck before it catches the wire.
now this is totally contrary to the american carrier ac where the tail hook engages the arrestor wire before the rear wheel contact the deck.
I wonder what would happen if by chance the arrestor wire engages the wheel by chance instead of the hook??
Have ADE discovered some new type of carrier landing??.

are we in line for the new 6 gen Israel aam based on the stunner missile?

don you think it is natural for the imaging radar to go into the nirbhay as a ready solution for terminal guidance?

what are the assets that pak has move into place near the border after the balakot strike ?
what have we done in response?
the spike purchases seem to be for the special forces that can now engage terror camps from a a distance ??
have pak shifted terr camps next to army bases?

is the MSMC carbine out of the run amidst all this surge of importing rifles and carbines?






saurav jha said...

Hi Prasun,

Are we buying iDerby-ER for LCA and Su-30 ?

ARUN said...

Dear Sir
Please Answer my Question

How can we destroy Pakistan' ground based Radars

Using BRAHMOS is escalatory

Can we use Anti Radiation Missiles

In the past , you have written about
EMP warheads , from Israel

Why cant we use them now

Rajesh Mishra said...

After the Colombo blasts, is it true that the most of the Christian population in South India and specially in Kerala are going to vote for BJP. If true, it will be surprising. Pl reply.

Arpit Kanodia said...

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/04/15/wikileaks-document-exposes-a-secret-us-base-on-the-moon/?fbclid=IwAR2dN8op8k7J0GEzNHzcbU7whSsj9kF2UEG2qdmhjPLRcZlGk9eVcYtbRHw


That might be interesting that how much US is involved in moon.

prateek said...

Sir,
just how into pak did our aircraft go ?
earlier the estimate was 50-80 km.
now it is "directions for this op were not to invade pak airspace" ?
please clarify.

Thank you

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DILBERT: The F-21 or the Falcon-21U will be radically different from all existing F-16s simply because it will incorporate several sensors that were originally developed for the F-35. It will therefore be a class above the rest of the F-16 models & will also have significant growth potential.

To RAD: The tests so far have all involved the LCA-Navy Mk.1 & the carrier-based variant will not be the LCA, but the MWF. The IAF’s new-generation AAM will be the SFDR-powered version of Astra BVRAAM. Nirbhay does have X-band imaging radar from LRDE/Data patterns, whereas the BrahMos-NG will have Ku-band radar from LRDE/ECIL for terminal guidance.

To SAURAV JHA: Derby-ER is only meant for those MRCAs that have Israel-origin MMRs, i.e. Tejas Mk.1 & Tejas Mk.1A.

To ARUN: Why should usage of BrahMos-1 be escalatory when it is armed with conventional warheads? In any case, even the Chinese have admitted that since the stoppage of annual US military aid, the spares holdings of all US-origin combat aircraft of the PAF has dropped down to alarming levels & now only no more than 25 F-1A/B/C/D aircraft are operational at any given time.

To RAJESH MISHRA: Not necessarily. Because history shows us all that it was during the rule of the INC & UPA that various draconian anti-terror laws (like the NSA & MCOCA) were introduced through Parliamentary legislation. But here are the horrific revelations now emanating from Sri Lanka:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8txpO_83x4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkEDk6zw_Sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgFTJlhD8Fk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7MJSVYkEAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY5k1xttV3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2hy0TzxGmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQwd7oEAuE8

To PIERRE ZORIN: India’s wildlife has now taken over the task of implementing ‘Swacch Bharat’ Abhiyan:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/man-defecating-in-open-carried-off-by-elephant-in-west-bengal/articleshow/69034846.cms


To ARPIT KANODIA: This is even more interesting on the same topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCEd_IJBpNc&t=24s

And also this:

The 7 Pyramids of Mauritius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0xeKh1fDAE

And Pakistani updates:

Mirpur Cricket Stadium Rotting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFC-j5qs32s

PA’s COAS visits Azad Kashmir Regimental HQ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmF2E21lOLM

Governor of Pakistan’s Punjab Province Sets Up His Own Visa Issuance Company in US for Making Money from North American Sikhs Wanting To Visit Kartarpur:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgPckeEK6w

Buddha said...

https://theprint.in/defence/congress-has-no-issues-with-rafale-jet-problem-is-with-how-contract-was-signed/227185/
Your assumption seems real as another tranche of 36 rafale is surely coming with 89 Tejas MK1A and around 50 refurbished mig 29 with 18 Su30MKI and super sukhoi upgradation ...
If america pressurizes F21 And F21U
In that circumstances can Indian air force afford of cost of development MWF ...
Can skillful use of fund with gradual increase of budget will shape Indian Indian Airforce in good numbers coming decade.
Is Navy serious to develop modified Arihant class as SSN with present or modified power nuclear power plant.

Millard Keyes said...

"Dear Sir
Please Answer my Question".
- Yes straight out of a Courtroom Mr Attorney/Solicitor.
Judge: " you will answer his question Mr Sengupta regardless of how trivial it is; I will allow it because the Court and the Jury wants to hear the answer."

Millard Keyes said...

"That might be interesting that how much US is involved in moon." - don't you know how much from the bunch of trigger happy lunatics running the country there? 🤣

rad said...


hi prasun
you mentioned the radars that are going aboard the nirbhay and the brahmos ng. Is the brahmos ng going to be a faster missile . How good is the hq-9 version on board the chines ships good at stopping supersonic brahmos type missiles?.T are the Rolling airframe missiles and clones capable of doing that?

Are we allowed to use these radar on the current brahmos? does the agreement allow that ?
or can we pay the Russians money to be allowed t hat.?

several reports suggest that the sfdr is being made in collaboration with russia as we have no experience in SFDR engines?

what stopped the russians from stopping the deployment of the ramjet r-77? as well as the k-172 ?

do you have dope on the latest r-74m which i believe is trying to play the catch up game to western missiles?

what technical advantage was the air force chief referring to which could have punished the PAF IN the recent skirmish?

no air defense radar is always on as it will be a waste and make the life shorter. does that apply to aesa radars as well??

what is the import component of the aesa arudhra radar ?

will the aesa radars for the qrsam be ready when the missiles testing are over? The depicted




Anonymous said...

When China is engaging with Pakistan supplying everything including weapons......what stopping India from selling weapons to Taiwan when US is Already doing it ...is this related to one China policy?
What will be China’s reaction if India start selling weapons to Taiwan

Ron

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Major IACCCS-related procurement scandal surfaces:

https://www.firstpost.com/india/bel-allegedly-violated-string-of-norms-to-award-contracts-to-german-finnish-firms-ex-cmd-two-retired-defence-officials-under-scanner-6414261.html

https://www.firstpost.com/india/vigilance-chief-recommends-action-in-rs-7900-cr-air-force-project-scam-even-as-bels-management-hunts-down-whistleblowers-6522311.html

Chandan said...

Prasun sir,

1) How would you compare the build quality of Indian shipyards like mazagon with their western and Chinese counterparts? Is the navy satisfied with the build quality (not timespan of construction, which we know is very slow)

2) We mainly use zorya and ge2500 turbines for our ships. Do we have any stocks of spare parts for these turbines to tide over any stoppage of supply from OEMs (for whatever reason)? I remember after pokhran US imposed sanctions on spares of our seaking fleet and nearly grounded them.

3) When do you expect the hypersonic brahmos to enter service?

4) How does the current brahmos compare with the original p800 onik?

5) Why did you call NSA and MCOCA draconian? Are they too harsh? Would you prefer to replace them with a better law? What is your opinion on AFSPA? Is it necessary or too much?

6) Are pensions for china's 57 million vets included in the defence budget or is it under a separate ministry like in India and USA?

7) Have we imported or built any more towed sonars apart from the 6 already ordered from atlas electronic?

8) How long before India will be able to make her own gas turbines for ships?

Srinivasa Nanduri said...

Hi Prasun,

Najam Sethi for last 2 days is predicting that Americans will run from Afghanistan, Taliban will take control and current Afghan Government will fall.

He also said, after that India and Us will take revenge action against Pakistan.

Will America let Taliban takeover Afghanistan. What about all the progress made by AfhhaAfghan in last 18 years. All will go for a naught and then Pakistan will reapeat Jihad in India.

Seems pretty headu days ahead and our politicians sound clueless.

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri

Bramhastra said...

@Jasgill Prahji - Tussi jyada load na lo. India does not progress or deteriorate due to politics (as much). The WORST offenders is the incompetence of the BABUDOM and their inept decision making. As you could guess in Prasun's posts also. With their "Chalta Hai" and "inherent distrust" of everything private that was propagated by AK Anthony as late as his tenure. India will continue to suffer. We need good process, practices, institutions and these are made by the people like you and me. Not politicians. If people in these post have integrity and are apolitical no politician of any shade can do anything wrong. Yes politicians hog the attention but we should first disband all these IAS, IPS, IFS I-everything and make it merit based selection. Until then India will continue at its own pace lumbering along. Mostly due to private and some zealous individuals who want to do something for the nation.

Politicians come and go. At least in last 4 years one thing has been established is that majority is NOT ashamed of its own roots. They now have some confidence and its seen in sports, industries, young people in all walks of life. Imagine if this confidence was there 70 years ago where we would have been! Indians were made to feel ashamed of themselves continuously by Lutyens type media all these years. No more. So enjoy your ride. Country will be fine. Don't pay too much heed to these Noisemakers (Media) in the name of religion and all. They are the ones who are the root cause of it and are constantly blaming ONE they don't like. Media along with SM in India and world over thinks that they are worlds most powerful influences (rightly so) and they don't know how to handle that power.

Ashish Gautam said...

Is bar to IAF ne he bandalbaaz ki waaat Laga di....😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
See this thread on twitter...
https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1122001472546201601?s=19

AMIT BISWAS said...

After getting rebuke from you, desi bandalbaaz is giving his own imagination ...:) :)
https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1122001472546201601?s=20

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

As far as C4ISR ( Command, Control, Communications, Computer, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance) is concerned, in which of these areas is India lacking in terms of technologies ? In other words, what technologies related to C4 should India develop or import ?

Thank You

rad said...

hi prasun
what are the tech hurdles that we are facing regards the astra -2 missile ?

we seem to have the seeker , warhead , inertial systems, rocket motor, actuators, and the ramjet works. what about the data link and other system to be developed?
will it have the capability to be controlled by an awacs?

all material in the net point so the spice 250 being an electro optic glide weapon, there is no mention of a emp warhead even on rafael page?.is this is a black program?



The Sanatani Bhartiya said...

Prasun,
Due to the innate animosity of Babus to the armed forces and the negative attitude of leaders who consider only votebanks the armed forces have been suffering for a very long time due to insufficient allotment of resources for their functioning.Therefore many a time the forces have been forced to cut corners to achieve aims set both by the government and their own internal requirements.This is also because the babus neither want to understand armed forces requirements nor are they willing to understand thereby creating a sort of negativity in the administration against the forces.The present administration has been interested in the armed forces only to achieve their cheap political aims.It is not bothered to even analyse any sort of strategic actions required to be taken to further the country's safety and the armed forces functioning relying instead on cheap stunts and unnecessary jingoism.I have never understood the reason why defence civilians working in the armed forces or ordnance factories etc should be given pensions when in many cases they do not work for even the barest minimum when on duty and create problems for the management whenever asked to do so.Incidentally they consume the maximum of the pay and pensions amounting to more than half of the chunk given in the defence ministry without any accountability for their misdeeds.Armed forces personnel have died due to the shoddy manufacturing practices employed by them and there is no accountability.Neither the babus are willing to let go of their strangle hold on such matters and the administration is least bothered because armed forces do not vote on the whole because of obvious reasons.Wonder when will the situation improve?Your comments Prasun?

AMIT BISWAS said...

Side effects of nuclear submarine fleet

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/royal-navy-cant-seem-figure-out-how-dispose-old-nuclear-submarines-54322

radha said...


hi prasun
i wonder what anti radiation missile goes on the rafale as the alarm seems to have stopped production , all we have left is the old french martel stuff.?

how many rafales are coming in september ? , and even if it is 2 , wouldn't be a deadly forc e multiplier with meteors in the next skirmish? the meteors are coming with the rafales? will the pilots who are being trained be able to go to war with the little experience?


Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AMIT BISWAS & ASHISH GAUTAM:

https://theprint.in/defence/black-box-of-iaf-mi-17-that-crashed-in-kashmir-27-feb-missing-villagers-may-have-stolen-it/228536/

To THE INDIAN: https://www.hindustantimes.com/lok-sabha-elections/lok-sabha-elections-2019-in-three-phases-seizures-worth-rs-3-205-crore-cash-hauls-rise/story-ARofBXafaKbEdVyGXRDgrO.html

https://theprint.in/opinion/minister-dharmendra-pradhan-abused-me-forced-me-to-quit-nsdc-indian-army-veteran/228478/

To VIKRAM GUHA: Since India is now just a mid-level industrial power, there are several military-industrial arenas where critical shortcomings persist & therefore one regularly comes across several instances of critical components made of rare-Earth materials being imported whole-scale due to the absence of industrial manufacturing capabilities within India.

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

What are the implications of DFDR of the MI-17V5 being stolen with respect to it falling in Pakistani hands and how can it be so easy for a civilian to identify & steal a DFDR so easily? Could you do some speculation like dear old Bundalbaaz, who is frustrated at being shut out of the information pipeline.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CHANDAN: 1) Build quality is directly related to timespan of warship construction. If different welders working in different shifts are used for constructing the same module, then the quality-control deficiencies will be visible to anyone. 2) No. spares reqmts are strictly in conformance with usage reqmts & no one stockpiles spares inventories in anticipation of any embargoes. 3) Not before 2025. 4) They are one & the same, except for some Russian avionics being replaced by Israel-origin avionics. 5) Any law that allows for prolonged detention without trial is draconian. India’s methodology for acquiring forensic evidence is not advanced & that explains the low rates of conviction & lengthy trial processes. 6) Yes, they are. 7) No. 8) That is still a few decades away.

To SRINIVASA NANDURI: That Sethi fella has gone senile & now even the Pakistani authorities are behind him:

PEMRA versus Najam Sethi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Dlh141gVc

Meanwhile, Pakistani refugees in Sri Lanka are being targetted, as explained here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4koEGGiL78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWmq1jYDr0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGEC2qeuTM

But the cover-up inside Pakistan is being undertaken through false & fake news like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhqqcLIQ4LU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmKgePOzsiA&t=95s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fc2lf0DBNY&t=65s

To ARUN: EMP-generating devices are already being field-tested.

To RAD: Only the SFDR design needs refinement, and all the rest of the components of Astra-2 are ready since they are identical to those on the Astra-1.

To RADHA: The NG-ARM will be available by the time the Rafales enter service with the IAF. The first three Rafales will arrive this September, buyt the entire squadron of 18 aircraft will be commissioned only in 2022 & only by 2025 will that squadron achieve full operational capability.

To KAUSTAV: Neither was the DFDR stolen, nor was Crystal maze used in the Feb.26 air-strikes. They are both FAKE NEWS. In today’s digital age, most of the forensic analysis of crashed hardware & other grounbd-based systems can be completed within 72 hours, while it takes a maximum of 10 days for the Board of Enquiry to be concluded.

Meanwhile, the Shispare Glacier is changing its contours, which will eventually cause the existing Karakoram Highway to permanently close down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiaNwebilt0

DAshu said...

I believe they are already working on the alternative of Karakoram Highway, not sure but you can enlighten us.

Regarding making Indian connection to SL as a training ground ... Man, that country is seriously full of genius brains (credit goes to ispr) and conveniently forgetting to ask why those retaliatory atrocities are directed only towards Pakistani refugees. A strange nation full of equally strange people.

Is it really true that the worst is already over for Pak economically? At least that's how some govt economists professing except Kaiser Bengali and likes.

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

dada, one more request !! you have stated long back a year all most. That you will post All the advance aeronautics and wing design and other space research of Russia.

rad said...


hi prasun
my long standing dream seem to be coming true ie An IIR version of the astra seems to be in the offing !! so soon, maybe 5 years we will have an r-27 equal in our stables ie the IIR and the RF guided version.?? if IDRW reports are to be believed?

the corruption details regarding the iafcccs refers to some valves if i am right surely that wont be a great amount?. Is the system IP based ported thru fiber lines?

what what was the main components that had to be imported hardware or software /

will the NGARM be equal to the agm -88 latest version having a imaging seeker as well.

will it be better than the russian kh-31 ARM?

the Brahmos NG will have more Indian made stuff? as we seem to have the inertial nav , warhead , seeker, solid rocket etc??


DAshu said...

wahh what a Press Conference by DG ISPR today, what it is your take on that, it looks like some are clearly staged questions.

Ashish Gautam said...

Have a look upon this interview...

https://youtu.be/72abboVkPnU

Share your opinion n comments..
Thanks

AMIT BISWAS said...

OMG what could be this friends
https://mobile.twitter.com/adgpi/status/1122911748829270016

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: You must be referring to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIOhjM9PaAE

My detailed response will follow in the next thread. meanwhile, he is the Idiot's Analysis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI7nAwawCQY&t=4s

And here's the analysis aired yesterday by those invited to the press-conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsTITbMDCdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGQ8vIyhPNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UQQHQ9Cork
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F42_SimoFN4

To ASHISH GAUTAM: That is the Himalayan Snowman, not a beast or animal.