China has begun constructing a
far wider highway (the second Karakoram Highway, or KKH-2) that will
enter from a point west of the Shaksgam Valley into Gilgit via the Mintaka
Pass: (36 59 36.10 N, 74 51 29.83 E), where there is already an existing
PLA-BDR Garrison Base (37 9 25.71 N, 74 39 32.06 E) and a Customs CIQ facility
is now being built there as well. This highway will be connected via bypass
roads to the Sost Dryport (36 41 27.68 N, 74 49 30.00 E) and the projected
Moqpondass SEZ (35 45 53.76 N, 74 38 27.56 E)—both in Gilgit.
It is now confirmed that the
KKH-2 will be 50 metres wide and will be an all-weather transportation route.
This follows the visit of a high-level delegation from China to Hunza, Gilgit
and Baltistan in July 2016 to meet local stakeholders in the districts of
Chilas, Skardu and Gilgit, and conferring with the administration and members
of civil society to assess and determine the challenges in these regions
bordering China. Initially, an alternative route to the existing Karakoram
Highway (KKH-1) was proposed—this being the Yarkand to Skardu route through the
Mustagh Pass. This route was then projected to be linked to the Neelum Valley
through Shuntar Pass, thus bypassing Chilas and Indus-Kohistan for passage
through a relatively more peaceful area. However, both China and Pakistan have
now agreed that KKH-2 will now enter PoK from the Pamir Plateau inside Xinjiang
via the Mintaka Pass and then proceed into Hunza. It will thus be located
further to the west of the existing KKH-1.
Presently, it is physically
impossible to maintain year-long connectivity between China and Pakistan
through KKH-1, which links Kashghar in Xinjiang with Gilgit and Abbottabad
through the Khunjerab Pass. Today, the KKH-1 is functional for five months a year
at best because of adverse weather. The Kunjerab Pass through which KKH-1
traverses, is closed between November 30 and May 1 every year due to heavy
snowfall. When opened, due to inhospitable terrain, the actual immigration happens
130km away at Tashkurgan in Xinjiang, China, and 75km away at Sost in Pakistan.
A landslide and flooding in 2010 blocked the KKH-1 for more than one year.
China and Pakistan subsequently discussed the possibility of building a
parallel highway that featured extensive tunnels that cut through the Khunjerab
Pass, rendering landslides irrelevant, but still making it highly vulnerable to
earthquakes. Therefore, this idea of extensive tunnelling seemed fanciful-and
expensive, estimated by Pakistan to cost more than US$11 billion.
The KKH-1 presently runs approximately 1,300km
(915 miles) from Kashgar, following the valley of the Chez River, the Khunjerab
Pass (at an elevation of 4,693 metres or 15,397
feet), Hunza (known as the original Shangri-La) for 310km along the
Indus River-Valley, and along the (Gilgit and) Kunhar Rivers to Islamabad in
the Chillas District of Pakistan. Roughly 494km of it lies in Chinese territory, while
the remaining 806km traverse through the highest mountains in PoK. An extension
of the KKH-1 meets the Grand Trunk Road at Raikot, west of Hassanabdal in Pakistan. On June 30,
2006, an MoU was
signed between the Pakistan Highway Administration and China’s State-owned
Assets Supervision and Administration Commission (SASAC) to rebuild and upgrade
the KKH-1. According to SASAC, the KKH-1’s width is being expanded from 10
metres to 30 metres (33 feet to 98 feet), and its transport capacity is
being increased three times its current capacity. In addition, the upgraded
KKH-1 has been designed to particularly accommodate heavy-laden vehicles in
extreme weather conditions.
On January 4, 2010, the KKH-1 was closed in
the Hunza Valley, eliminating road-traffic to
China except by small boats. A massive landslide 15km
(9.3 miles) upstream from Hunza’s capital of Karimabad created
the potentially unstable Attabad Lake, which reached 22km (14 miles) in length and over 100 metres
(330 feet) in depth by the first week of June 2010 when it finally began flowing over the landslide dam. Eventually,
a new 24km route along the southeastern side of the Lake was completed in 2015
and opened to the public on September 14, 2015. The route comprises five
tunnels and several bridges. The longest tunnel is 3,360 metres in length,
followed by 2,736 metres, 435 metres, 410 metres and 195 metres. The
Attabad Tunnel was completed on September 14, 2015.
Had the intent been to ensure
all-weather, year-long road connectivity between China and Pakistan, then
logically the Khunjerab Pass should have been discarded as an option, and
instead focus should have been laid on five other passes of the Karakoram mountain
range. These include the Mintaka Pass at over 4,700 metres above sea
level just west of Khunjerab, which was used by travellers on the ancient Silk
Route; the Shimshal Pass at 4,735 metres that leads to the Shimshal
Braldu River Valley; the Kilik Pass (elevation 4,827 metres or 15,837
feet), 30km to the west of Mintaka Pass, which is a high mountain
pass between Gilgit-Baltistan and Xinjiang; the eastern or ‘Old’
Mustagh Pass (altitude of about 5,422 metres); or the 5,600
metre-high ‘New’ Mustagh Pass.
China has also built feeder
roads eastward through the Shaksgam Valley (part of the Trans-Karakoram Tract)
linking Gilgit with Hotan, which is an important military HQ of the PLA,
situated at the cross-section of the Tibet-Xinjiang Highway (NH-219) The
highway starts from Yecheng, a city in southern Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous
Region, passes by Gar County in Tibet and reaches Shiquanhe Town located in Ngari
Prefecture of Tibet and the Hotan-Golmud Highway (NH-315). The Hotan-Golmud
Highway links Xinjiang to Qinghai province and central China. It reduces the
distance between Gilgit and Golmud to almost half, while bypassing the
428km-long Urumqi-Kashgar Highway.
The Division HQ comprises an Engineer Battalion, an Electronic Warfare Battalion, a CBRN Defence Battalion, the Division HQ itself (which is Company-sized), an Air-Defence Platoon, and a Guard Company for proximate HQ protection.
The Mechanised Infantry Regiment has four Mechanised Infantry Battalions, one MBT Battalion with 35 ZTZ-99A MBTs, one Fire-Support Battalion with PLZ-07B 122mm self-propelled howitzers, one Engineer Battalion and one Communications Battalion.
Each Mechanised Infantry Battalion has three Mechanised Infantry Companies each made up of three Platoons, with each Company having 13 ZBD-04A ICVs; four in each Platoon and one HQ vehicle. This provides the Platoon command with its own vehicle, thereby allowing elements such as a forward observer (operating mini-UAVs) or engineering (demining) teams to be attached to the Platoon.
There are a total of 351 ZBD-04A ICVs in the Mechanised Infantry Division (175 per Regiment), which are supported by an Artillery Regiment comprising 36 PLZ-05 tracked 155mm/45-cal self-propelled howitzers and 36 122mm PHZ-11 MBRLs.
The Anti-Aircraft Artillery Regiment comprises one Battalion of 24 self-propelled PGZ-07 tracked 35mm systems and one Battalion of 18 HQ-17 SHORADS. An Air-Defence Platoon of six FN-6 MANPADS launchers are also attached to the Regiment.
The Battlefield Recce/Scout Battalion makes use of 18 AFT-10 anti-tank guided-missile-carrying tracked vehicles. There is also a helicopter wing with one squadron of six Z-9G attack helicopters and one transport squadron of six Mi-171 helicopters.
Such a Mechanised Infantry Division can also, if required, be supported by an Independent Field Artillery Brigade equipped with 36 PCL-181 155mm/52-cal mounted gun systems (MGS) and 36 PHL-03 300mm MBRLs, which are accompanied by Counter-Battery Radars and tactical UAV Flights. Also available is an Independent Air-Defence Brigade comprising up to 24 twin-barrelled 35mm towed anti-aircraft cannons and 12 FM-90 SHORADS.
Composition of PLAGF’s 6 Highland Mechanised Infantry Division
The South Xinjiang Military District’s Kashgar-based 6
Highland Mechanised Infantry Division comprises the 7
Mechanised Infantry Regiment, 18 Mechanised Infantry Regiment, an Armoured
Regiment, Field Artillery Regiment, an Anti-Aircraft Artillery Regiment and a
Battlefield Recce/Scout Battalion.The Division HQ comprises an Engineer Battalion, an Electronic Warfare Battalion, a CBRN Defence Battalion, the Division HQ itself (which is Company-sized), an Air-Defence Platoon, and a Guard Company for proximate HQ protection.
The Mechanised Infantry Regiment has four Mechanised Infantry Battalions, one MBT Battalion with 35 ZTZ-99A MBTs, one Fire-Support Battalion with PLZ-07B 122mm self-propelled howitzers, one Engineer Battalion and one Communications Battalion.
Each Mechanised Infantry Battalion has three Mechanised Infantry Companies each made up of three Platoons, with each Company having 13 ZBD-04A ICVs; four in each Platoon and one HQ vehicle. This provides the Platoon command with its own vehicle, thereby allowing elements such as a forward observer (operating mini-UAVs) or engineering (demining) teams to be attached to the Platoon.
There are a total of 351 ZBD-04A ICVs in the Mechanised Infantry Division (175 per Regiment), which are supported by an Artillery Regiment comprising 36 PLZ-05 tracked 155mm/45-cal self-propelled howitzers and 36 122mm PHZ-11 MBRLs.
The Anti-Aircraft Artillery Regiment comprises one Battalion of 24 self-propelled PGZ-07 tracked 35mm systems and one Battalion of 18 HQ-17 SHORADS. An Air-Defence Platoon of six FN-6 MANPADS launchers are also attached to the Regiment.
The Battlefield Recce/Scout Battalion makes use of 18 AFT-10 anti-tank guided-missile-carrying tracked vehicles. There is also a helicopter wing with one squadron of six Z-9G attack helicopters and one transport squadron of six Mi-171 helicopters.
Such a Mechanised Infantry Division can also, if required, be supported by an Independent Field Artillery Brigade equipped with 36 PCL-181 155mm/52-cal mounted gun systems (MGS) and 36 PHL-03 300mm MBRLs, which are accompanied by Counter-Battery Radars and tactical UAV Flights. Also available is an Independent Air-Defence Brigade comprising up to 24 twin-barrelled 35mm towed anti-aircraft cannons and 12 FM-90 SHORADS.
Composition of PLAGF’s 4 Highland Motorised Infantry Division
South Xinjiang Military District’s Aksu-based 4 Highland
Motorised Infantry Division comprises the 11 Motorised Infantry Regiment, 12 Motorised Infantry Regiment, an Armoured
Regiment, Artillery Regiment, an Anti-Tank Regiment, and an Anti-Aircraft
Artillery Regiment.
The Motorised
Infantry Regiments (deployed in the Gogra and Hot Springs areas) make use of tracked
Type 86 ICVs (BMP-2 clones), WZ-551 6 x 6 APCs and eight VN-1 8 x 8 APCs
armed with Red Arrow 10 ATGMs. Each Regiment has three Companies, each of three
Platoons.
The Armoured Regiment has 99 Type 88 MBTs, while the Artillery Regiment
has 36 Type-83 152mm towed guns, 18 PLL-05 6 x 6 120mm breech-loading mortars,
18 CS-SM1 WM-81 82mm breech-loading mortars and three CLC-50XL weapon locating
radars mounted on 6 x 6 LAMVs.
The Anti-Tank Regiment comprises 24 WZ-550/Type
92B 4 x 4 vehicles armed with HJ-9 ATGMs. The Anti-Aircraft Artillery Regiment
comprises a Battalion of 24 towed 35mm Type 90 anti-aircraft guns and six FN-6 shoulder-launched
MANPADS.
This Division has has an optional Independent Armoured Brigade
(comprising four Battalions) that make use of 123 Type 88 MBTs.
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To PAWAN: Shortly after OP Vijay/Safed Sagar/Talwar, the Cabinet Committee on Security in 1999 approved the speedy construction of 13 border roads. The UPA government signed off on the border infrastructure boost in 2006 with its ‘China Study Group’ headed by the NSA, setting ambitious targets to complete 61 Indo-China Border Roads (ICBR) across the various Indian states facing the LAC by 2012. The BRO, however, was unable to deliver. A CAG report tabled in Parliament in 2017 noted that only 15 of the planned 61 roads had been completed. The projects had incurred massive cost overruns, 98% of the Rs 4,644 crore estimate had been swallowed in building just 22 roads. Only seven of the remaining 46 roads were complete by March 2016, with the deadline for the remaining ones extended to 2021. There were various reasons for this, chief among them being the peculiar structure and diffused accountability of the BRO. Created in 1960, it built roads for the military but was under the Ministry of Road Transport & Highways (MoRTH). Its in-house General Reserve Engineer Force (GREF) cadre sparred with IA engineers who manned the BRO. An agency created with a unique character lost its uniqueness and envisaged efficiency, it had dual controls, it was under the administrative control of the MoD but the MoRTH released its funds. Add to that the natural obstacles of building roads along the world’s highest mountain range.“Building roads in the Himalayas is like building on a heap of loose, sedimentary rock that has faultlines, is earthquake prone and bears the brunt of the monsoons. The heavy winter snowfall constricted road-building into a single six-month window between May and October. China, in sharp contrast, has the natural advantage of building roads on the plateau that is flat and hence more amenable to construction. Huge shifts had already started taking place within the MoD, IA and BRO even as the CAG’s alarming report was tabled in Parliament. The biggest change summed up by an unnamed IA officer in a 2016 deposition before the Lok Sabha’s Standing Committee on Defence was “the philosophy of not making roads as near to the border as possible had been changed to ‘we must go as far forward as possible”. A prescient MoD briefing note to the Standing Committee that year warned of a long-term infrastructure development plan by both China and Pakistan in the northern areas. ‘These plans will enable these countries to concentrate and move sizeable forces all along the Indian border and will pose a significant threat in the event of any conflict,’ it said.
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The changes began in November 2014 with the induction of the technocrat defence minister Manohar Parrikar, who was laser-focused on transforming border infrastructure. The BRO was placed under the MoD in January 2015 and closely integrated with the IA and MoD. The biggest changes in the BRO were the induction of tunnel-boring machines, constant review meetings and the delegation of financial powers to speed up decision-making. The BRO began working in mission mode, with the DG reporting to then IA COAS Gen D S Suhag and Defence Secretary G Mohan Kumar. “We worked on transformative change, to institutionalise monthly consultative meetings among all the stakeholders and iron out differences,” says Lt Gen Suresh Sharma, then DG, BRO. A new category of ‘Priority 1’ roads was created on the advice of the Director General Military Operations. The DSDBO road was one of them. This road had defied attempts at construction given the tricky terrain, especially the crossing over the Shyok River, which overflowed with snowmelt during summers. The BRO, for the first time, used micro-piles—high performance, high-capacity foundations around 12 inches in diameter, to build a 430-metre-long bridge across the river. It was completed in 2019. The BRO also began tunneling in a major way. A tunnel under construction will reduce travel time from the IA’s 4 Corps headquartered in Tezpur, Assam, to Tawang, a town claimed by China, by at least 10km and, more importantly, convert a normally snowbound highway into an all-weather road when it is completed in 2021. The strategic 8.8km-long Atal tunnel being built for Rs 4,000 crore will shorten the Leh-Manali route by 46km and will be open to traffic this September. The 72-day Doklam standoff between the two armies in 2017 was another major factor that speeded up road construction by the BRO. The stand-off began over a road that the PLA began constructing towards Jhamperi Ridge overlooking Indian territory and which the IA successfully blocked. By 2018, the BRO had constructed a second road leading to the Chumbi Vallry, converting a mule track into a motorable road and is building a third one to be completed by 2021. New techniques like building a road at five ‘attack points’ were used to hasten completion of the strategic 80km Ghatiabagarh-Lipulekh road near the India-Nepal border, inaugurated by Rajnath Singh on May 10, 2020. More importantly, the ICBRs were brought under a five-year works plan, where the BRO would prepare estimates without waiting for specific approvals from the Govt. The present works plan approved in 2018 is for 282 roads of 22,803 km (including the ICBRs) at a cost of Rs.22,000 crore, and is set to be complete by 2023, which would see India finally catching up with China.
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Lessons to be drawn:
1) Border infrastructure development should NEVER be military-specific. Instead, it should always be labelled as being an economic imperative & should always be publicised for having tourism potential. Labelling transportation networks as 'strategic' will only invite the ire of neighbouring countries. That's exactly why India has never been able to object to any of China's border transportation infrastructure development/expansion projects, because Beijing has always justified them by saying that such projects are an economic necessity & also for boosting tourism.
2) Connectivity by road/rail networks & airports/ALGs must always be accompanied by communications connectivity, which is always of a dual-use nature. In the absence of such connectivity, border village inhabitants will be forced to use the network connectivity facilities of neighbouring countries & this in turn will encourage the villagers to also use various types of Apps that are otherwise banned by Indian cellular communications providers, but are available by the cellular comms providers of neighbouring countries. Here is one such instance:
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/uttarakhand-vyas-valley-nepalese-mobile-towers-1695819-2020-07-01?utm_source=recengine&utm_medium=web&referral=yes&utm_content=footerstrip-4
India's Border Road Construction Projects: https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/bodyeditor/202007/Indo-China-Border-Road-Jul20-2-x443.jpg?hJw8oLkqJCA2spIS31XsOe20cO1KI6MT
Finally, to answer your question on the disengagement in the Galwan River-Valley area, India's closest position to the Galwan River-Valley clash point is now 500 metres, with China being further away (800-1,200 metres) as of July 9, 2020, as shown in these 2 images:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecn4oR2UMAANgDq?format=png&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecn4pEJUEAAYC5D?format=png&name=medium
So this is why China is so apprehensive. They wanted to humiliate us and they knew that time was running out. They knew that by 2023-24 period India would have border infrastructure in place and military hardware like S-400, Rafales, artillery and other equipment would have been available in good numbers. They preempted what was coming and took action in Ladakh. Now despite lacking some critical hardware India will have to fight. Modi's next move will determine the future of India and the Indo Pacific region.
PLAGF Sniper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsXqFx5ACqw
PLAGF Field Artillery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWLUYKRF9nU&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK5a5v_VpXw
PLAGF NBC Drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78_egzrNiZ0
https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/uploads/digital_news/2020-07-06/sindh-makes-jit-reports-on-uzair-baloch-baldia-town-factory-public-1594056587-3783.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2R1Jx0i-k
This KKH-2 and other projects in PoK will be gifts to India in the future hopefully.
Q&A section is very much informative as the main topic. Nowhere, else we will get this kind of info regarding BRO and related bak ground scenarios.
Thank you for this selfless public service.
Don't you think Common sense and logic says war is inevitable now?
As usual informative awesome article
And in-depth analysis of BRO legacy .
Hope Govt force HAL OFB to hasten made in India efforts of LCH LUH Tejas Sport Small Arms MGS Artillery and private player Entry ...
Donot know if they really care about implementation of self reliance in house..
But this chinese ingression and aggression should open their eyes.
Sir one question what if chinese in future engage India with its massive artillery and rocket and cruise missile salvo without direct contact with Indian army
How India will fare with its limited stock of missile and rocket force ..
What should India do to overcome this short fall
Hi Prasun,
Any truth in the news below? It says Rolls Royce is close to signing an agreement with GOI for jet engine development. Quotes the VP of Rolls Royce.
https://mobile.twitter.com/IndiaIncorp/status/1281516347302621184
Dear Prasun,
Then how would India plan its strategy to thwart KKH-2. Is it the right time to get back PoK and GB? Is our political leadership working in this direction?
China spent more than $225bn on road construction in the first 10 months of 2019.
https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/innovation/robot-rollers-china-builds-highway-unmanned-machin/
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201911/23/WS5dd8a860a310cf3e3557977e.html
Hello Prasun,
https://theprint.in/opinion/chinese-threat-is-unlikely-to-go-away-india-needs-big-plans-for-lac-to-save-its-land/459105/
A good and balanced perspective from ex-air chief marshall; I hope and believe people in power take necessary action and work towards the country.
Based on your findings, integration of sold parts of Jammu Kashmir and Ladakh has to be brought under Indian control. Again, hopeful that it happens
Thanks, Ganesh
Prasun,
Interesting read about pro pakistani groups within awami league --what after sheikh Hasina has always been a question .. with jamat -e- islami being very active & the fact that ISI has a lot of puppets there .. what has India done to ensure its stakes in the country...https://www.defencenews.in/article/Delhi-distracted,-Pakistan-at-play-871582
Sir, there is a media about 2 new Israeli assault rifles - Arad and Carmel - to be manufactured in India. Are there any buyers for them in India?
What is your opinion on additional order for second batch of 72000 Sig 716 rifles? Why not give a chance to SSS rifles?
To PRATAP: So at last you have grasped the plot/conspiracy (English)/sharyantra (Hindi)/saazish (Urdu)/chalkraanto (Bengali). Congratulations! Humiliation was never the objective, but rather it was all about securing Chinese investments made into a vassal state (Pakistan) through the CPEC. India should have seen this coming since 2014, instead of being taken by surprise in 2020. And here are the first ‘revelations’ about why POTUS Trump's had claimed last May that NaMo was in a bad mood:
The fallout of the Chinese intrusion over the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh is beginning to be visible. Prime Minister Narendra Modi is said to be furious over the damage to India’s position and the embarrassment it has caused him personally. The two he is most angry with are Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat, who was supposed to have advised the government on how to handle the military matter; and the Leh-based XIV Corps Commander Lt General Harinder Singh, who took his eyes off the ball while the Chinese were building up in Ladakh over the winter. The PM is said to have given General Rawat a piece of his mind at a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security.
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/opinion/columnists/120720/waqyanawis-challenged-at-lac-pm-unhappy-with-corps-commander-cds.html
But I’m afraid NaMo was barking the wrong tree, for the blame lies with the Union Ministry of Finance & MoD for lapping up all the promises made by the DRDO/ADE about the Rustom-1/2/Tapas MALE-UAVs being made available on time. Neither have any of those UAVs surfaced in any end-user’s operational inventory & they continue to grace only the outdoor exhibit areas of the AERO INDIA & DEFEXPO expos. And to make matters far worse, the DRDO/CABS is now claiming to be able to develop ISR battlespace surveillance platforms of the type shown in scale-model form at DEEFEXPO-2020! Wonder in which decade they will be made available for service-induction.
To DASHU: It is inevitable, but not the kind of full-contact war. Instead, the non-contact type is far more preferable, i.e. a counter-occupation of territory elsewhere in the LAC & then negotiate a mutual withdrawal. That way, the war will be winnable without fighting.
To BUDDHA: The IA & IAF too possesses such SS-BSMs & cruise missiles to inflict proportional damage & hence China will not attempt to initiate hostilities on such scale. Meanwhile, another whistleblower from Mainland China has surfaced in the US:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm2SD9CLLy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbrE1v4kuQ&t=212s
And this could well become China’s biggest man-made disaster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubGLs89rNW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJn35MTKCNY
To RAGHU: It is all about this:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/now-uk-pitches-for-joint-development-of-future-fighter-jet-engine/articleshow/73987992.cms?from=mdr
https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/india-uk-to-work-jointly-in-jet-engine-development/1860130/
But the internet fanboys will be greatly disappointed to hear that this is not about Kaveri or MWF or AMCA or TED-BF. Instead, it is about Rolls-Royce helping HAL complete the development of the HTFE-25 turbofan, which is meant for replacing the Adour Mk.811 turbofans now powering the IAF’s Jaguar IS. If this project succeeds, then R-R will team up with HAL to co-develop the HTSE-1200 turboshaft as well. And that's because all the ONGC-operated oil-rigs presently use hundreds of R-R-built Avon turbojects as marine industrial gas-turbines & HAL is responsible for servicing them. So, the HTFE-25s will similarly be modified as marine industrial gas-turbines as well for use by the ONGC & in money-terms, the marine industrial gas-turbine business is a revenue-generating business, compared to producing only 150 military-specific HTFE-25s.
To ASD: Yes, the conquests will have to start with that of Baltistan, followed by Gilgit & finally the remaining portions of PoK down south.
To GANESH: I wish he had made a sincere effort to be intellectually honest & had focussed on the IAF’s present-day shortcomings in hardware, due to which India failed to receive early-warning about the PLAGF mobilisations last April.
To VIVEK GUPTA: Arey yaar, India started losing territory in the 1950s. Here are the details:
India’s territorial disputes with China in three Himalayan regions cover more than 120,000 sq km at altitudes of up to 4,300 metres. The eastern sector, of about 90,000 sq km, corresponds roughly to Arunachal Pradesh, which the Chinese claim and call “Southern Tibet”. However, this territory remains with India. The central or middle sector, west of Nepal, is the smallest contested area at about 2,100 sq km, and is also entirely under Indian control. China surreptitiously encroached on the 38,000 sq km western sector covering the Aksai Chin plateau (eastern Ladakh) and several districts in Xinjiang in the 1950s & continues to be in its possession. There is also the 5,180 sq km chunk of PoK that Pakistan ceded to China in 1963 & this too remains in China’s possession. In addition, China has denied grazing rights to Ladakhi shephards on over 680 sq km of territory since the year 2000 by conducting patrolling in such areas during summertime, but not establishing any permanent presence in such areas.
It is still too early to speculate about the disengagement process as it is still work in progress. What matters most is the de-escalation phase & whether this phase will commence or not & if yes, then for how long it will last.
Thanks a lot for the revert Prasun da, you are the only one who is willing to enlighten us, others never revert.
I wanted to know more wrt the current Ladakh standoff on whether we have lost our land during this standoff or not, wasn't asking from historical perspective (thanks for explaining and clarifying though).
Request your revert on whether we have lost our land in current standoff or not and if yes then do you think Namo is in any mood to take it back or will he be content and will try to mis-sell even this as a victory
Thanks and regards
Vivek
To VIVEK GUPTA: Only time will tell, since the disengagement is now underway & it remains to be seen if de-escalation will eventually take place. Until then, one cannot emphatically state that India lost any territory this time.
To DASHU: Have uploaded above the composition of one of the PLAGF's modular combined-arms formations, the 6 Highland Mechanised Infantry Division. Unlike India's very late start on modular Integrated Battle Groups, the PLAGF began experimenting with various combinations of modular combined-arms combat formations since 2006. In doing so, the PLAGF imbibed several foundational principles originally devised by the Soviet Red Army's legendary Marshal Nikolai Vasilyevich Ogarkov in the early 1980s, which had led to the pathbreaking raisings of tailor-made Operational Manoeuvre Groups (OMG) for specific military districts throughout the Eurasian landmass of the erstwhile USSR, long before anyone else had even conceived of integrated battle groups.
Regimentation resists change/reform in any form. Even change in unit organisations which are and should be technology, function and task driven has been resisted by the regimented system. Most of the organisations of our combat arms are based on the World War-2 organisations or what we inherited at independence. Very little has changed despite a quantum jump in technology. No effort has been made to reduce or optimise the manpower and equipment in the combat arms despite a manifold increase in firepower and technology. Even the Shekatkar Committee has shied away from holistically addressing this issue. Our own war experience has not been studied in detail to modify, change or reform the organisations. For example, the maximum number of MBTs lost by any regiment which engaged in most intense combat in 1965 or 1971 war has been 15. In the battle of Chawinda, (we were on the offensive) out of 225 MBTs in battle as part of five armoured regiments, we lost only 29 tanks. Pakistan out of 150 tanks lost 44 tanks. In the battle of Asal Uttar (we were on the defensive) out of 135 MBTs we lost 14 of them. Pakistan out of 220 MBTs lost 99, i.e. 20 MBTs per regiment, more due to flawed tactics and boggy terrain. The biggest tank battles of the 1971 War were fought during the battle of Basantar where we lost 14 tanks and Pakistan lost 46 once again more due to flawed tactics. Despite the experience of war we did not experiment with the re-organisation of the armoured regiment. We did not consider reducing the MBT strength from 45 to 31 as was the case with the Soviet Red Army that routed Nazi Germany’s Panzer Corps. This would have given us more armoured regiments for the offensive. Alternatively, we did not consider re-organising the Pivot Corps armoured regiments on four squadron basis with 57 MBTs for the defensive or offensive at short notice.
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The situation in the other combat arms is no different. After World War-2, most modern armies switched over to the triangular organisation of three rifle companies instead of four in an infantry battalion as is the case in the subcontinent. The total casualties suffered by the Indian Army during the 1999 OP Vijay were 527 killed (out which 462 were due to actual combat) and 1,363 wounded. This includes casualties of all troops in the battle zone. Approximately 30 Infantry Battalions took part in the operations. Assuming that 90 % casualties were from the Infantry, on an average each battalion suffered 16 killed 41 wounded, i.e. just 6% of the unit strength of approximately 800 personnel. Pakistan suffered approximately 453 killed and 665 wounded out of approximately 5,000 soldiers in battle, i.e. about 20% of the total strength. Pakistani casualties were unusually high due to our much higher artillery firepower. Approximately 70% of our casualties were due to Pakistani artillery and mortar fire despite the meagre resources employed. These figures should have led to a serious debate with respect to the structure, organisation and equipment of our infantry battalions. Also, that better mortar and artillery locating systems were required for counter-bombardment to neutralise enemy mortars and guns. When the basic organisation is large there is a tendency to keep reserves at every level. Thus the useable mass remains below the potential and the focus remains on the tactical battle. This results in inadequate resources at the operational Level, which can be utilised for the offensive or the counter-offensive. Battles are not won by mass per se, but by useable mass and by creating conditions for psychological paralysis of the enemy. These conditions are a combination of tactics and firepower.
India’s hypothetical ideal requirements of mechanised forces is 97 armoured regiments and 70 mechanised infantry battalions. This is based on: 34 armoured regiments and 34 mechanised battalions for the 17 armoured brigades with 2 armoured regiments and 2 mechanised infantry battalions (2 + 2) for the 17 Reorganised Plains Infantry Divisions (RAPID); 18 armoured regiments and 9 mechanised infantry battalions for the 9 armoured brigades (2 + 1) of the 3 armoured divisions; 27 armoured regiments and 9 mechanised infantry battalions for the 9 independent armoured brigades (3 + 1) of the Pivot Corps; 10 armoured regiments and 10 mechanised battalions for 5 armoured brigades (2 + 2) for Ladakh and North East high-altitude areas; 4 armoured regiments and 4 mechanised infantry battalions for 2 armoured brigades (2 + 2) for the amphibious role; and 4 armoured regiments and 4 mechanised infantry battalions for 2 armoured brigades (2 + 2) for the air-assault role.
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The Indian Army (IA) presently has 64 armoured regiments and 50 mechanised infantry battalions. It is thus short of 33 armoured regiments and 20 mechanised infantry battalions. The armoured regiments comprise 45 MBTs having 3 MBTs in the regimental headquarters and 14 MBTs each in the 3 squadrons, with 4 troops of 3 MBTs each and 2 MBTs in the squadron headquarters. A mechanised infantry battalion is similarly organised except that each mechanised company has three platoons with 4 BMP-2 ICVs each. Due to resource constraints the IA’s ideal requirement is unlikely to be met in the near future. Restructuring and re-organisation is therefore a better way to meet the requirement and for creating more ‘useable combat potential’. Based on the combat potential of the modern MBT, we could reduce the number of MBTs in an armoured regiment to 31, with one MBT in the regimental headquarters and each squadron having 3 troops of 3 MBTs each and one MBT in the headquarters. This model is followed by the PLAGF. The second-in-commands and the adjutant can be based on ICVs. This would release 14 MBTs per regiment, i.e. 896 MBTs or equivalent of 29 armoured regiments, leaving us only 4 regiments short of the ideal requirement as per present structure of mechanised formations. Similarly each mechanised infantry battalion can be reduced by 14 BMP-2s, i.e. one per platoon and one from company headquarter, and 2 from battalion headquarters creating approximately 23 more mechanised infantry battalions. Alternatively, without changing the squadron/company organisations, we can opt for composite mechanised regiments with varying combinations of armoured squadrons and mechanised infantry companies based on the operational role, for example 3 + 1, 2 + 1, 2 + 2, 1 + 2 or 1 + 3. We have 64 armoured regiments and 50 mechanised infantry battalions each having 3 armoured squadrons and 3 mechanised companies. Thus we can easily create 114 composite mechanised regiments meeting the IA’s entire requirement with resources to spare. Composition of composite mechanised brigades can also be varied as per requirement of the operational role. Amalgamation of existing armoured regiments and mechanised infantry battalions would ensure that no additional manpower is required for this restructuring.There is a void of reconnaissance units in our mechanised formations. Ideally we require a composite mechanised reconnaissance squadron with each composite mechanised brigade and a composite reconnaissance regiment each with the 3 armoured divisions, i.e. approximately 50 composite reconnaissance squadrons. This is an inescapable requirement and would have to be met with restructuring and new raisings. The manpower requirements can be offset with the reduction of the infantry brigades in the RAPIDs.
There is also a case for re-organising the 3 Strike Corps into 3 Division-sized battle groups. This is a subject by itself, however, whatever form the re-organisation may take the armoured/mechanised component will remain the same. Structures and organisations must not remain enslaved to regimentation and must be tailor-made for specific operational requirements. A modern MBT and an ICV is three times more effective than what it was 50 years ago. Mechanised formations and units have the mobility to concentrate at the point of decision and are trained for functioning as combined-arms teams with varying combinations, attaching/detaching on as required basis. Smaller formations and units are more agile and can project more ‘useable mass’ into battle on the 21st century battlefield vis-a-vis larger units and formations that were more suited for the set piece battle of a bygone era. While ‘concentration’ is a principle of war, its essence lies in ‘concentration of useable mass’ at the point of decision.
Thanks, Prasun. Some minor quibbles, but nothing that detracts from your analysis. Good show.
Documentary aired yesterday on the PLAGF's live-firing drills last month at the Mechanised Warfare Training Base at Lhari & Live-Firing Range to the south of the Nyenchen Tanglha mountain range north of Arunachal Pradesh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvIgPqaRb5Q
PLAN C-602 ASCM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffYFC_lQf40
PLARF's DF-10A LACM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyxryVtjG8s
Sir,
1. How long do you think would it take for the development of this hfte25 engine from testing to induction in collaboration with RR?
2. Has Indian army IBG concept anywhere close to operationalisation?
3.is drdo going in for the development for the isr aircraft alone or does it takes the help of Raytheon? Or a limited number of aircraft will be imported or the whole requirement will be met indigenously?
hi prsun
great analysis! where i fear china has more strengthe is its artillery foirepower, ie rockets and missiles .
as a stop gap cant we order 500 kaliber missiles till the drdo picks ups its pants and starts producing the nirbhay? it will also be use full in case of pak as well.?
as regards to spaag , i remember poland or somebody proposed a twin 35 mm ahead capable cannon on a mounted chasis , that has been tested but not inducted . they will be more than willing to sell to india including the IPR for guns . we can always use many israeli radar mounted on the zsu 23-4 . ?
Prasun,
1- Joe Biden toeing the islamist line similar to the labour party on kashmir.. how to neutralize / handle the dems- worst case if they win in dec? is it the funding by islamist which is forcing the labour & dems, if yes, who are these financers? and why are the dems trying to plz them when US does not even have muslims in significant numbers. is there any role of the congress overseas team led by anand sharma?
2- turkey converting hagia sofia into a mosque .. a symbolic act of turing into islamist .. how will west react.. if they keep quiet , it will only embolden erdogan & his likes across the world
Is it possible to infer on what really happened on Op Swift Retort ? based on purchase decisions and operational changes that would have been implemented by PAF and IAF post Balakot ?
For instance , can we speculated that Su30s+R77 lacked AIM120+F16's level of BVR capacity and hence dint engage falcons effectively and IAF is now looking at ASTRA for BVR capability ? The ease with which ASTRA made it to IAF's purchase books might assist the speculation ?
Similarly if an F16 was shot down with ease by a Mig21 , has PAF thought over it and come up with effective counter measures which is visble via OSINT to infer that the falcon was infact slayed ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_a1GbHDQd7c&t=1028s
Modi government is pragmatic on Ladakh, but India is not ready for two-front war: Lt Gen H S Panag
Seems correct in his detail elaboration..
How you say sir..
Can you suggest me good books on Indian armed force and politics to read during covid time ..
Dear Prasun,
In the previous DAC meeting approval was accorded to the purchase of Astra missile. My question is (1)Has the missile been integrated with any other platform other than Su30MKI? (2)Why is the missile still not been integrated with the Tejas? (3) Have the DRDO engineers not thought of integrating the knowledge of heat seekers they gained from Nag and incorporating that in a WVR missile variant of Astra still?
Prasun Da, what is your take on the latest sino Iranian agreement, how will it affect Indian interest in Afghanistan and Iran, preciously Chahbahar project ?
https://youtu.be/MEErf-FFofM
Thanks in advance.
To BENO: 1) At least another 4 years. 2) Not yet. 3) It is going ahead on its own.
To RAD: VMT. If you notice, you will see that it the PLAGF carries its own integral 120mm breech-loading mortars on armoured vehicles as well as 122mm MGS & both of these are used for rendering IMMEDIATE FIRE-SUPPORT—a concept the IA has not yet embraced. Such fire-support resources ARE NOT part of the supporting combat arms, but are instead integral components of the combined-arms units, be it a Company or Battalion. Such a modular approach also enables the speedy scaling-up of fire-support resources up to the Modular Combined-Arms Brigade Group-level, including the integration of attack and RSH helicopters as well as tactical UAVs. Novator 3M-14E Klub LACMs are available in both land-launche & air-launched versions for export from Russia any time. As for SPAAG, it is best to standardise on barrel diameter, i.e. 20mm or 23mm or 30mm or 35mm. Possessing a diverse array of barrel diameters by both the IA & IAF only increases the demand for different types of ammunition rounds & this is what causes shortages, since individual types of ammo rounds have to be imported since the reqmt is too small for domestic production.
And this is the loitering PGM that the Indian Army will be acquiring from RAFAEL:
https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/FIREFLY.pdf
To VECTOR: That would be totally wrong, because the development of Astra BVRAAM was sanctioned decades before OP Swift Retort. And since the BVRAAM reqmts run into several thousands every 10 years, it was decided long ago to have indigenously developed BVRAAMs. The only countermeasures or defensive options for PAF F-16s are either their ASPJ pods or their MAWS sensors. The latter as of now are not on board any F-16.
To BUDDHA: The retired Lt gen’s appreciations & assessments are spot on simply because he has served there in several capacities & he had also pioneered the introduction of T-72M1 MBTs & BMP-1 ICVs back in 1987, which I had detailed in a recent previous thread. As for books, do read these:
https://www.amazon.in/1962-View-Other-Side-Hill/dp/9384464767
https://www.amazon.in/Watershed-1967-Indias-Victory-China-ebook/dp/B084V8D66B/ref=reads_cwrtbar_1/259-6243630-9951636?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B084V8D66B&pd_rd_r=cbc0a81b-0012-418c-9319-02205b50ebda&pd_rd_w=vF4Xe&pd_rd_wg=0IWOB&pf_rd_p=c60e2779-cef0-4f94-94b7-464337801247&pf_rd_r=0WSRMJKA2CW71D27XKHM&psc=1&refRID=0WSRMJKA2CW71D27XKHM
https://www.amazon.in/Chinas-India-War-Collision-Course-ebook/dp/B078HH892C/ref=pd_lutyp_crtyp_simh_2_5/258-2358127-5478002?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B078HH892C&pd_rd_r=71fe060f-9588-46bb-ac22-0f86184b2a81&pd_rd_w=An3M2&pd_rd_wg=FqOod&pf_rd_p=7fb3e980-f2a8-401c-9113-a0f91a377e4c&pf_rd_r=HF9XZNMHDE24YN5ZRK9V&psc=1&refRID=HF9XZNMHDE24YN5ZRK9V
To PAVAN: 1) The Astra BVRAAM can be integrated with any MRCA whose weapons management software using the MIL-STD-1760 databus is accessible for reprogramming. On the Su-30MKI, only 1 aircraft (the Super Su-30MKI testbed) can now use the Astra. The moment the new DARE-developed weapons management computer is installed on other Su-30MKIs or any other IAF-operated MRCA, the Astra will be useable by them. The Tejas Mk.1 already has an indigenous weapons management computer whose 1760A databus software was also written by DARE & hence Astra’s integration with Tejas Mk.1 or Mk.1A will not pose any challenges. 2) SRAAMs & ATGMs employ different types of IIR seekers. Even the IIR seeker of Nag & HELINA incorporate significant critical imported content.
To SUMANTA NAG: It is just a pledge as of now to invest that sum of money & hence does not translate into a sure & guaranteed sum of investment.
Whether they work or not one must admit a clear and organised military planning on China's part. Except for the manpower, Indian army is really not much dissimilar to the police. Where is their rapid mobility, overwhelming fire support, recce ability.... looking at the variety of vehicles and weapons- China has covered all angles and has the power at least to overwhelm any nation. India seem to be fully Pakistan centric in its military doctrine. Same old tanks, Bmp, a few howitzers and now a couple of SPH and the Netas feel they have achieved military supremacy! Total flop with regards to intelligence gathering, processing and counter intelligence; apathy with regards to going after the jugular, complete inertia on achievement of supremacy and total confusion about a doctrine. Abundance of hot air and words. Time may be to change Bharat Mata to Bharat Pita because the Mata as it is now is too busy looking through the wardrobe undecided what to wear!
Prasunda
It's a pity we have to import even Raven type UAVs....what is DRDO good for ...making fictional Garud type hand launched UAVs by a college kid intern as in the movie URI?!?! Shameless agency DRDO.
On topic of India's indigenous Atma-Near-Bar, what's up with India's GHAATAK OFB 7.62x51mm R2 Assault Rifle?!
All very well to go around importing when we can't make basic level reliable Assault Rifles & simple UAVs as with Sig716 follow on orders & a measly 200 RQ-9 Ravens or Israeli loitering drone-PGMs when we need cost-effective, if not cheap, versions of such Assault Rifles in lakhs, besides small UAVs & Drone-PGMs in thousands made by Indian companies! India might as well join the relevant US command for protection
Looks like the Gods of Yore have unleashed their collective wrath against China:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyM8yY-lou8
Half of China, especially the central & southern parts, are flooded. The Three Gorges Dam may well burst & be destroyed forever. Food shortages are emerging & the country could well face famine this year. The number of earthquakes are increasing & in Sichuan province entire roads & bridges are being swept away. This will make it almost impossible for the PLA to send in any form of reinforcements from central or southern China to anywhere in TAR or Xinjiang.
According to geologists & weather forecasters, a similar fate awaits Nepal this year.
Prasunda,
1) Gen. Panag does point out that SSN (DBO in particular) is not defensible terrain in the event of a conflict. Dose'nt that imply that once shooting starts, that part would have to be written off ? What does such an outcome imply for hold on the Siachen glacier/ Saltoro ridge ?
2) How long does it take for DAC approvals to actually turn into contracts? It seems it is 36 months or so. Why such delays ?
3) Why has'nt the Kalyani group obtained orders for 155mm/52 artillery so far? They have a proven gun, have got a production line from Austria (therefore, proven) and can produce such guns in quantity.
Satyaki
Hi Prasun
Can you shed some light on where and how the QRSAM fit into the indian AD system with respect to short to medium range AD system.i mean the only difference between Akash 1S and QRSAM seems to be that former is not canister based and can engage targets upto 18 km in altitude whereas latter can only engage upto 6 km. is it cost per missile?. and how does QRSAM mesh with spyder AD system which has both radar and IIR missiles.And if only Radar seeker based missiles were ok then would it not have been cheaper and faster to mount a version of astra like the isreali did with SPYDER system why go with all new body of QRSAM. and where will the Akash 2 with radar+IIR seeker fit into all this.+ NAMAS 2 and not to forget XRSAM.
Prasun,
1- Iran-China comprehensive deal including access to iranian military bases to china coupled with the news of Iran dropping India from the rail link project connecting Chabahar to Afgahn border.. .. how will this impact India, In hindsight, has India gained anything by investing in Chabahar & Afhganistan? how does these developments impact India's plans to joining the Russia led north-south transport corridor. Guess half hearted commitments in both Iran & Afghanistan are money going down the drain without any returns..Apart from some supply of uranium what has India got to lose if it gets cut off from the central asian republics?.. hypothetically between India & europe, there will only be hostile countries if taliban takes over afghanistan & iran turns into a vassal state of China.. right to blame the west for all of India's woes? amercian whimiscal dealings have always spelt trouble for India.. be it the afghan war, russian & Iranian sanctions, blind blanket support ot china thru the cold war & beyond .. or is it our poor foreign policies that we don't seem to get the changes happening around & align accordingly. Pakis always seem to be better aligned at this game. milked the west, now sitting in china's lap
.. http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2020/07/as-china-eyes-multi-billion-dollar-iran.html
Interesting article https://stratnewsglobal.com/how-lessons-from-2018-exercise-will-help-army-tackle-chinese-moves/
This is a must-read article and contains many interesting tidbits.It may take 2 comments.It says that the Indian Army top brass is revisiting a tabletop exercise that it carried out sometime in 2018 in which all the possible Chinese moves along the Himalayan frontier were wargamed and it had examined possible Chinese strategies and come up with India's counter-response.It concluded that China would indulge in hit and run tactics against India to test its own forces and also map India's response to small,medium and large scale exercises cum mobilisations and that the PLA would apply pressure at multiple points to try and push the envelope.And repeat the sequence in a year or two.India's rapid mirror deployment and robust response all along Eastern Ladakh may have surprised many including the Chinese commanders but it now emerges that the Indian Army had anticipated such a contingency and the moment Chinese mobilisation was noticed in early May,India deployed reserve troops of 14 Corps quickly and followed it up with induction of additional brigades from a mountain division earmarked for Ladakh but based outside The Northern Command Area of Operations.In any case one of the 3 brigades of this division always exercises in Ladakh's high-altitude areas during spring-summer months.So additional,well acclimatised troops were already available when China started testing India's preparedness and subsequently,this entire division was deployed in Eastern Ladakh.Another important finding of the 2018 exercise was that the Chinese would employ these tactics-deploy,raise temperature and then withdraw after prolonged talks,at least twice in different locations(Ladakh this year,maybe Arunachal next year) spread over a period of three to four years and eventually launch a massive attack across the entire Himalayan frontier to settle the border once and for all.Indian military planners have also anticipated the strategy of mobilise-deploy-withdraw as a ruse to force India to commit forces permanently in operational locations close to the LAC and raise cost.Today it is Ladakh,next year it could be Barahoti area(in Uttarakhand)and Arunachal Pradesh thereafter .After every mobilisation,if we permanently locate additional forces in forward areas,the PLA would be most happy.That is the mistake we will not commit,a senior military planner revealed. Article continued in comment #2
Prasunda,
On a lighter note, these God's of yore - wud that be Mahadev or similar advanced intelligences?!;-)
VMT for the lucid war gaming of capturing the western flank of Siachen glacier. Can this operation be scaled up for a decapitation strike on territory upto Chitral. What would be the full spectrum ORBAT to securely achieve this?
Can LASTEC developed LORDS-400 W or the larger variants like 2000 be converted to medium range laser snipers to immobilize PLA trucks and boats in LAC ? the thin air should reduce the performance degradation due to scattering of emitted photons ?
PrasunDa,
The Indian Army is making emergency purchases of weaponry like the purchase of thousands of Sig Sauer rifles, Firefly munition and possibly RQ-11 raven drones.
Please let us know what are the emergency purchases that the Indian Navy intends to make.
Thank You
To KAUSTAV: LoLz! Why should India need to import RQ-11 Ravens? Why not procure the CHEEL instead? Does that name ring a bell? Apparently not for the 'desi patrakaars'! So let us refresh their memories, shall we?
February 2015
Dynamatic Technologies Limited and AeroVironment Inc (NASDAQ: AVAV) have inaugurated the pilot production facility for the development of the next generation unmanned aircraft system, Cheel. The facility was inaugurated by Lt Gen (Retd.) Jeff Kohler, Vice President International Business Development, Boeing Defense Space & Security, and Jim Gribbon, Vice President Asia, Lockheed Martin International, who were leading a USIBC delegation of industry leaders on a visit to Dynamatic's aeronautic manufacturing facilities at Bangalore, India. The inauguration of the pilot production facility is part of a wider strategic plan for growth and internationalization outlined by Dynamatic and AeroVironment. The Governments of India and the United States of America have selected a next-generation unmanned aircraft system (UAS) based on AeroVironment's market-leading family of small UAS as a collaborative project under the India-United States Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI). The project named 'Cheel' will be jointly developed and produced by Dynamatic Technologies and AeroVironment in India, subject to applicable US and Indian government approvals. The unmanned aircraft system, named 'Cheel', will be based on AeroVironment's proven small UAS which are the world's most widely deployed unmanned aircraft systems. Cheel is intended to be the next-generation small unmanned aircraft system for joint development and production under the DTTI program by Dynamatic Technologies and AeroVironment in India. The 'Cheel' Pilot Production Facility will house an advanced avionics and communications laboratory, payload development facility, composite facility as well as an assembly and testing facility for small Unmanned Aerial Systems.
https://www.dynamatics.com/news44.shtml
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-08-05/indian-company-reveals-uav-partnership-aerovironment#:~:text=Bangalore%2C%20India%2Dbased%20Dynamatic%20Technologies,and%2012%20kg%20Puma%20UAS.
https://www.flightglobal.com/india-to-develop-indigenous-variant-of-aerovironment-uavs/115936.article
And TASL's Aquilon isn't a homegrown product either. It was developed by Slovenia. Th SpyLite MUAV has been procured from Israel's Bluebird. Here are the weblinks:
https://www.avinc.com/tuas/raven
https://www.ideaforge.co.in/drones/switch-uav/
http://www.bluebird-uav.com/spylite/
Thanks sir for the link . One of them has already been ordered..
https://m.thewire.in/article/security/border-settlement-patrolling-india-china-dispute
https://m.thewire.in/article/security/government-misleading-media-on-chinese-disengagement-along-lac
How you see these articles..
To SATYAKI: 1) A simple glance at the map of Ladakh & of the DS-DBO Highway’s route will reveal that that the Highway was from the outset within striking range of the PLAGF’s field artillery howitzers. And that’s precisely why the reason now being by several TV-appearing ‘analysts’ about China being concerned about India’s highway-construction projects in Ladakh & elsewhere is TOTALLY WRONG & MIS-LEADING. The reasons are something else & I have explained it to BUDDHA below. 2) Between 36 & 54 months, because the integration of the MoD’s existing civilian bureaucracy & the newly set-up Military Affaits dept is not going to happen overnight. 3) Because that is the Bharat-52 that is derived from a SOLTAM design & it is directly competing with the ATAGS. Hence, the ATAGS will be preferred since it has the DRDO’s backing.
To HOODS007: Efforts are still ongoing to increase the Akash-1S’s range from 25km to 35km. But the Akash-1 is not a quick-reaction weapon & hence the QR-SAM is reqd. The QR-SAM round is modular in design & a modified IIR seeker (for instance that of the Python-5 SRAAM) can be integrated with the QR-SAM’s airframe & discussions to this effect are currently underway. The dual-mode seeker of Akash-1S is meant for increasing its kill-probability in an intense EW jamming environment. XR-SAM is still a decade away from entering service.
To JUST_CURIOUS: It is all FAKE NEWS as of now, since Iran has not yet officially stated anything.
To ARUN: Kindly only give the weblink & not the entire story. In any case, stories like these emanating from such ‘desi patrakaars’ are misleading & factually untrue & are meant to make fools out of the armed forces. And that’s because, firstly, India’s 3 armed services had already carried out such an exercise back in late 2008 called EX DIVINE MATRIX, following which the MoD issued new war directives about a two-front scenario in February 2009. And that’s because between 2000 & 2008 the number of PLA-BDR incursions within India-claimed territories in Ladakh, Sikkim & Arunachal Pradesh had shown a dramatic increase in numbers. Secondly, if India’s armed forces had drawn up accurate inferences back in 2018, then why did they take till mid-May 2020 to respond the PLAGF buildup, whose mobilisation had been noticed by the NTRO way back in mid-April starting April 14? It just does not add up. Thirdly, as the previous thread reveals, back in 1962 itself it was assessed by IA HQ that it will take the IA 2 Divisions to fully defend Ladakh, so now in 2020 a minimum of 3 Divisions will be required to fight a defensive war there. So that brings us to the ‘desi patrakaar’s’ real source of information for that story, which is: Ravi Rikhye in his book ‘Analysis to Fight: India’s Ability to Fight a 2-Front War 2018 had warned of this possibility in the introduction itself. “In my opinion, the next crisis will be at another point, perhaps Siachen side, and possibly not until 2019 or 2020,” he had said.
Such ‘desi patrakaars’ are therefore totally ‘besharam & naalaayak’ by character, kindly rest assured.
To KAUSTAV: On a very serious note, they are either Type-1 or Type-2 higher intelligent species. Human beings belong to the Type-0 category, according to Dr Michio Kaku.
To SANGOS: No it cannot, as it will over-stretch the battlefield logistics support pipelines. For that to happen, the IAF will require a total of 60 CH-47F Chinooks & 200 Mi-17V-5s for air-assault/air-maintenance purposes, plus at least 150 single-engined LUHs for CASEVAC & MEDEVAC missions.
To VECTOR: Why does one need laser effectors for such reqmts? Won’t a simple EMP generator be able to do the job?
To VIKRAM GUHA: The IN too will procure such hand-launched MUAVs for its MARCOS.
To BUDDHA: The ‘desi bandalbaaz’ has already been proven wrong by this imagery:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec0o3UlUMAEeAVG?format=png&name=medium
As for the 1st weblink, negotiations for most of the emergency purchases had originated last March itself. As for resolution of the boundary issue, successive Govts of India since 2003 have been putting the cart before the horse. How come? Because for any Govt of India to successfully negotiate an acceptable agreement, two foundational legislations passed before have to be overturned or overruled by another new resolution. The two resolutions are the one passed by parliament on November 14, 1962 and February 22, 1994 that deal with India’s stated goal of recovering all the territories lost to China & Pakistan. These 2 resolutions need to be superceded by a new unanimous resolution that empowers/authorises any Govt of India (either of the day or in future) to negotiate a permanent settlement of India’s boundaries. Only after such a resolution is passed can any Govt of India negotiate a give-n-take solution that will be mutually acceptable as an honourable & just settlement. If not, then the opposition parties will always staunchly oppose or even revoke (after coming to power in future) any agreement that has been negotiated & finalised by any present-day govt. Therefore, all the negotiations between the Special Representatives of India & China between 2003 & now, & all the back-channel negotiations between India & Pakistan between 2004 & 2008 are constitutionally ILLEGAL & are consequently totally useless & a waste of time. China has grasped this reality & has therefore willingly gone against all the previous agreements it had inked with India in 1993, 1996, 2003, 2005 & 2013 & at the political-level, now wants India to do exactly what I have explained, i.e. it wants India to declare the November 14, 1962 parliamentary resolution null & void by passing a new unanimous resolution that empowers/authorises any Govt of India (either of the day or in future) to negotiate a permanent settlement of India’s boundaries. Will India's political parties be able to forge such a national consensus in Parliament? Or is this why China decided to make a long-term investment in the INC by donating money to the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation? Only time will tell.
Sir,there are a lot of problems when it comes to defence matters.Some are hardware shortages,some pertain to administrative/command and control problems and some other problems are because of mindsets.Some of these issues have a quick fix but most issues(like squadron shortage)will take a long time to fix.To me,it seems as though the best solution for India would be to ask the US to be our security guarantor for 15-20 years while we fix our problems.If we have such an agreement with the US,we at least won't have to worry about the two front threat during the short to medium term and it will give us time to fix our problems as well.But 1)what would the US want from India in return along with the right to set up bases?Highly favourable trade deal?,2)will the US ask us to give up our nukes since they will become our security guarantors?,3)Will such an agreement prevent us in any way from launching any operation to liberate parts of or the whole of PoK in which only we are involved and not them? and 4)how willing do you think that the US would be to have such an agreement with India?
To ARUN: There are indeed problems, BUT in ALL MATTERS. That's why there's hardly any coverage now on the Ladakh standoffs, while everyone is busy & more interested in the financial buyouts of the INC's 'Younger Netas', conducting HAVANs for the safety & well-being of the Bachchan family & debating the pros & cons of the Vikas Dubey encounter. If India were to seek any security guarantor, then the latter will ask for total control over India's foreign, defence & even financial matters. And that is an impossibility because all of India's 'netas' & so-called intellectuals still pin down their hopes on an abstraction called 'strategic autonomy'. And that's precisely why we are now witnessing futile cockfights like this:
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/07/para-wise-rebuttal-of-purported.html
While the former COAS of IA has stooped to very low levels by picking up such cockfights with the 'desi patrakaars', the 'desi bandalbaaz' in turn is also in the wrong because he can't tell the difference between India-controlled territory & India-claimed territory. This in turn has led to the clash of rival egos.
To RAD: PLAGF Immediate Fire-Support Artillery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvWRdk0Pjuk
PLAGF Battlefield Air-Defence Artillery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWZBsksj6W0
PLA-BDR at Karakoram Pass Outpost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1i5SRLNByo
Prime example of PAID NEWS: 5.56 x 45 ARAD & CARMEL SLRs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86eBiFQpJvs
https://theprint.in/defence/two-new-israeli-assault-rifles-arad-and-carmel-now-set-to-be-manufactured-in-india/459332/
https://iwi.net/arad/
https://iwi.net/carmel/
Why should anyone offer these 5.56 x 45 weapons since the IA has already gone in for 7.62 x 39/7.62 x 45 solutions is beyond one's imagination. Perhaps, that's why the Israeli OEM (IWI) is saying that this is only a plan (to manufacture them in India) & not yet a firm decision.
Russian Navy Creates History with All-Female Warship Crew Compliment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b944cw5rIRY
A BIG NO Sir, Nullifying previous resolutions will be suicidal for India. It won't help in any way. They will just change the goalpost after that.
Sirji,
Sorry for these off topic questions...
1.) This is from ongoing border clashes between Armenia and Azerbijan
https://twitter.com/KarabakhRecords/status/1283055171795386373
Hermes 900 UAV belonging to Azerbijan shot down possibly using 9k33 Osa. First ever for this type.
Armenia has captured some positions belonging to Azerbijan and also Azerbijan lost a Major General rank officer.
Anyway looks like Iran/Russia and Turkey's fighting will eventually destabilize the entire region. What does Erdogan even plans to gain from such things ? Turkish economy is sinking, its relations with west are at lowest, Its picking fight with Greece and France, he got humiliated in Syria by Russia, but still he doesn't mend his ways. So what does he plan to do ?
2.) What's the status of Swathi WLR. How many have been inducted by the army and when will the order from Armenia be met ?
3.) Whats the status of M 46 guns upgrade being carried out by OFB ? How many have been upgraded ? Is OFB actively looking to offer the upgrade to other countries like Vietnam ?
@prasun da
1.i am sorry but it seems you have a prejudiced opinion against Congress, you talk about China putting money into RGF but conviniently forgot about the huge amount of money invested by China ovt and companies in BJP ruled Gujarat or the huge funds donated to PM care fund or the regular interaction by BJP leaders with Chinese leaders who went to Beijing to learn to control public.
2. today corps commander level talk seems to have gone inconclusive between India and China, seems you and Praveen Sawheney are almost correct about something is about to happen before winter sets in
3. is it possible that once TEDBF (if ever) becomes reality to replace Mi29k,the mig 29ks can be used as land based assets capable of carrying heavier payload than Mig298 UPG
thanks
Joydeep Ghosh
M.Prasun where have they inducted Type15 Light tanks?
I think with that formula we are 0.7 level on kardashev scale. And only hurdle between becoming type 1 is miniaturized fusion reactors.
That being another gold rush. But this time of whole solar system. Might be within 100 years we start scavenging & scuttling mercury and venus to build Dyson swarm.
Dada, what is your opinion about the Su-30 MKI? I have read some really nice and some not so good reports about the aircraft. I have a few questions
1) What is the status of Super Sukhoi upgrade programme?
2) Can the Su-30 MKI be brought at par with F-15 EX after the upgrade?
3) For how many more years will our Sukhois serve after the upgrade? Rafale will hang on till 2070. What about Super Su-30 MKI?
4) What will happen to the older Su 30 MKIs that were delivered in 2002-2005 period? I read that they were used extensively for training and will start retiring by 2035.
5) Should IAF already start looking for a heavy air superiority fighter to replace Su 30 mki in the future?
Prasunda,
VMT. 36-54 months is criminal. Should'nt the existing civilian bureaucracy in the MoD simply be superceded and transferred to some other govt. activity (like women's/children's welfare, etc.) that has nothing to do with defence? Stalling inductions of indigeneous systems, particularly artillery, is nothing short of anti-national.
Satyaki
To DASHU: Not quite, if the national political consensus agrees to certain constants, like not surrendering PoK but as per the UNSC resolutions, ensuring that PoK returns back to India’s fold; & secondly, authorising a give-n-take formula with China, since retaking Aksai Chin is no longer a viable military option nor is economically desirable. Far better therefore to bargain for some other piece territory inside western Tibet in return for giving up Aksai Chin.
To BHVK: 1) he won’t mend his ways for as long as he has Iran as his silent ally. 2) All Swathi WLRs of the IA have been delivered. The Armenian order will be fulfilled by the year’s end.
To JOYDEEP GHOSH: 1) Stating objective ground realities & proven factoids does not tantamount to beiong prejudicial. Investing in industrial projects is not the same as investing in political parties. PM Cares Fund is subject to audit by the Auditor-General of India, whereas private entities like Foundations are not. The former is transparent while the latter is opaque. 3) The MiG-29Ks have a service-life of 40 years. Do you think the ‘desi’ TEDBF will emerge by 2040 when the AMCA too is planned for induction at the same time?
To UNKNOWN: With the Tibet Military District. Do read this:
https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2020/05/plagf-high-altitude-plateau-warfare.html
To ARPIT KANODIA: That’s only accounting for material progress. The spiritual progress aspect also needs to be factored in.
To SATYA: 1) As I had stated yesterday, one Su-30MKI has already been modified into a Super Su-30MKI prototype & that’s the one which is being used for firing Astra-1 BVRAAMs & BrahMos-A cruise missiles. 2) Of course, but without conformal fuel tanks. 3) For about 25 years. 4) No, their airframes will be zero-lifed & they too will be upgraded. 5) Yes, and the AMCA can developed suitably for this purpose.
To SATYAKI: This will prevail for as long as the Rules of Business of the Govt of India state that the Defence Secretary & not the defence Minister is responsible for ensuring the security of India.
China's definitive FWS-10A turbofan for the J-20 is still nowhere in sight:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3092839/chinas-stealth-fighter-goes-mass-production-after-thrust?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=article&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1594563565
And only now is China experimenting with digitised artillery fire-direction systems (AFDS) & that too only at the Brigade-level, whereas the IA had procured the Shakti AFDS for Divisional-/Corps-level operations back in the previous decade itself:
http://www.81.cn/jmywyl/2020-07/13/content_9851987.htm
Corruption Rampant at China’s Food Reserves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk8DFq_fT9g
Rampaging Floods in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NropIySX_yc
Discharge of Three Gorges Dam Worsens Flood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9IIS9hfAY
MI6 Details China’s Penetration of UK’s Elite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRs_7xWhpo
PLAGF Type 83 152mm Towed Howitzer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVrazLZ9lu0
Underwater Tunnel Across Brahmaputra River To be Built:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZbVAGYU1c&t=58s
India Building Road Connecting Eastern Bhutan with Arunachal Pradesh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brwJ9YPcH5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxFYHdeF0gw&t=255s
Bhai Kaustav, like I have asked before several times to every ET fan. If humans needed ET intelligence WHO gave the ET theirs? Ask yourself that.This means there MUST have been a pre existing source of wisdom far above everything and everyone....hence mankind's realisation that something is greater than us all and this is God not that is imagined in various forms and shapes but one that existed for ever and ever and will do so.
The Russian navy appears to have ditched gas turbines, Nuclear propulsion, diesel power and instead opted for the pussy power!
Prasun Da
Replying Satya, you said that AMCA will replace SU30. But we need heavy class fighter not medium.
Do you think we do not need heavy class at all? Can AMCA reach eastern part of China?
John
hi prasun
you mentioned that the su-30mki super has made its first appearance , wow thats a wiff of happiness amidst these developements with china .
could you pse specify where the modification were done as it takes a lot of test flying and integration that has to be done by the OEM .Has the aesa radar gone aboard the fighter ? has the front flap based L band aesa radar also been fitted? has all the improvements mentioned by yuo in previous articles been incorporated along with the engine?
but how is it used for test flightys for astra and brahmos when it has not been vetted with the TACDE? . there i s no news of it in the desi paper as the patrakkars would have gone gaga over it?
To BRAHMADITYA: What human beings refer to God as an entity, the ETs refer to the all-powerful as Creation, i.e. a phenomenon.
To UNKNOWN: By now you should have realised that the days of classifying MRCAs as light, medium & heavy are long gone & were relevant only up to the early 1990s. Today the Rafale, dubbed as an M-MRCA, can carry a warload that is more than the Su-30MKI H-MRCA. In addition, warloads have become PGMs that are lighter & fewer of them are reqd for pinpoint strikes & hence carrying a greater warload has become unnecessary. Hence, 5th & 6th-gen MRCAs will all be M-MRCAs, not L-MRCAs or H-MRCAs.
To RAD: Before you soar with glee like a phoenix, kindly let me remind you that the Super Su-30MKI will be in the same configuration as that shown on the HAL poster at the DEFEXPO-2020 expo. No L-band radars, for instance. So, once again, just go by the HAL poster. Deep avionics upgrades & weapons integration trials are always done by ASTE & only after ASTE’s approval is the certificate of airworthiness released by CEMILAC. Only then can the aircraft enter operational service & be forwarded to TACDE, whose sole mission is to devise tactics for optimally employing such weaponised platforms. TACDE neither gets involved in product development, nor product validation or certification. And only after TACDE completes writing the tactics manuals do the squadrons start practicing all that’s specified in the manuals & only after the squadrons acquire the specified proficiencies are they next declared fully operational. That’s the sequence & hence the mere commissioning of a squadron with new aircraft arrivals does not tantamount to that squadron being declared semi-operational or fully-operational. So do remember this sequence for the time to come & this will prevent you from being fooled by IDIOTIC terms like IOC & FOC that emanate from the DRDO from time to time.
Meanwhile, here's another bizarre 'phenomenon' that will make you scratch your head in disbelief: a locomotive designed & developed in India by Indians has been tendered out for manufacturing by global OEMs, as if no one can build such a locomotive in India!
https://theprint.in/india/governance/railways-could-drop-chinese-company-bid-for-44-vande-bharat-trains-under-rs-1500-cr-project/460784/
So what's next? TEDBF & AMCA designed & developed by ADA but to be tendered out for series-production by global OEMs like Dassault Aviation, Russian Aircraft Corp, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Airbus Military? What a bloody joke this so-called Atmanirbhar Bharat is turning out to be! Mere sloganeering, as always!!!
@prasun da
1.you said ' PM Cares Fund is subject to audit by the Auditor-General of India,' FYI
PM Care fund is under independent auditor not CAG, one line says quoting sources at the CAG office, said, “Since the fund is based on donations of individuals and organisations, we have no right to audit the charitable organisation”.
https://thewire.in/government/pm-cares-audit-cag
this leaves more than enough room for fishy business where tiktok, hauwei, and many other hinese companies have made huge donations
2. even if RR joins hand to rework on a 110 kn engine, ow many yrs before it bears fruit and goes in Jaguars, dpnt know how many of them will be left from the current 120
thanks
Joydeep Ghosh
COAS is visiting forward formations of chicken neck and WB with pakistan near jammu and pakistan..whats cooking?? Any hint?? Imtehann ki ghadi nazdik hai kya sir??
Prasun Da, thanks for your replies, A. how ever please share your thought regarding the status of Helina and SANT Missile of DRDO, and also, how credible is this article to claim deal for supply of 15 LCH by year end ?
https://www.defenceaviationpost.com/2020/07/15-hal-lch-deal-by-year-end/
B. Also, it is quite awful to learn of Railway going ahead with tendering process for only 44 Bande Bharat train sets , when a pair of which has been successfully developed by ICF, and running flawlessly. Would not have been far better option to ICF entrusted with the development and production of such trainsets as per recommendation of improvement of RDSO, as well as Train 20, and metro coaches (BEML may be partnered for latter) while Ministry should have considered for inviting bids for supply of EMU rakes for suburban passenger trains of all the respective major zones (as per requirements) under make in India category, since, overwhelming numbers of the passengers use the system for transportation and that would have been more
Attractive for manufacturers, since existence of the companies like Titagarh Wagons etc., here. I may be wrong, but my view only.
C. Also, if in future the PoJK comes under control of India, what will be the future of investment by Chinese there (KKH, Hydropower project)? Will China let go Shaksgam valley ? In that case IMHO, your views expressed to DASHU at 6:26 AM is best option according to me also, approaching with a give and take policy for China, i.e to secure PoJK, and AP forever in return of Akshai Chin area the PRC upto the area it reached just prior 1962 war, the area separated IA & PLA position on 07.09.1962, with return of Khurnak Fort, and Shksgam valley in Indian Territory.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aksai_Chin_Sino-Indian_border_map.png#mw-jump-to-license.
D. It appears that GoI seems going ahead with the plan for corporaatisaion of OFB, with bids for consultancy farms despite union strike.
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/atmanirbhar-weapons-production-plan-put-anvil
So, we may see easing of the impasse by unions or can OFB be reformed as opined in this article below :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thequint.com/amp/story/my-report%252Fmembers-opinion%252Fcan-an-elephant-dance-to-mods-tune-how-to-fix-the-ofb
Please share your views regarding the above.
Thanks in advance Dada.
Prasunda,
These god's go yore r usually kinder on India, maybe be assuming that the Indians in this epoch r poor copies of the originals & reduced in faculties. After the Vande Bharat escapade which u rightly pointed out & the UAV SNAFUs the latest thing to pop up in order to strain our fragile retarded minds is this IMPORT OF A LIGHT TANK?! For GOD's & ET's & Mahadev's sake WHY?! When we hv the T-72 CIA versions dominating there!! The world must think India is a proper BANANA Republic....We could hv a great ICV in a modified BMP version which could do the job just as well & with wheeled APCs (Kestrel type) give a good edge anywhere, even in Ladakh or TIBET? But we hv to buy a LIGHT TANK....
Prasunda, Indians shouldn't be non-aligned! We r not CAPABLE
Prasun Da
There are rumours nowadays about IAF ordering 44 Rafales soon?. Is it true?
John
Mr.Prasun what tanks are in service with Xinjiang military district and it's sub formations?Do they have Type 15?
Prasunda
Excellent article by Ms.Antara Ghoshal Singh. India should take note & go in for manoeuvres to gain territory across LAC & LOC as well as long term strategies to disrupt PRC interests & destroy PRC projects in South Asia & Indian Ocean Region. If necessary, sink merchant marine of PRC in IOR. https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/the-stand-off-and-chinas-india-policy-dilemma/article32083539.ece
To JOYDEEP GHOSH: 1) I had said AGI, not CAG. 2) Why should it join hands to develop something that it has already developed (the EJ-200)? HTFE-25 will be rated at about 25kN thrust with afterburning.
To AMIT BISWAS: He had gone there to see the IA’s preparedness since the PA is conducting a major exercise in the Sialkot sector.
To SUMANTA NAG: Both HELINA & SANT are still undergoing development. Their user-trials haven’t even commenced. China is reqd by international law to surrender all the territory it had inherited from China back in 1963. As to what will happen to all its projects inside PoK, that is for Beijing to decide. Just as corporatisation did not work for BSNL & MTNL, it won’t work for OFB either. The only other option is complete divestment.
To KAUSTAV: LoLz! The internet fanboys have totally lost it! There’s no such platform known as a light tank. There are only 2 types of tanks, i.e. MBTs for medium battle tank & main battle tank. The 8 x 8s that one sees with turrets containing 105mm or 120mm cannons are in fact Assault Platforms & not tank destroyers either. Assault Platforms are used just like the BMP-T, but for destroying hardened fortifications like concrete bunkers over agrarian or semi-urban terrain. They are also used for attacking hostile dug-in gunpits. For MBTs, the ideal power-to-weight ratio must be 25hp/tonne, but even the M-1A2 Abrams has a ratio of 23hp/tonne. The IA’s T-72CIAs have a ratio of 17hp/tonne but with 1,000hp engine re-engining the ratio will go up. Similarly, the T-90S will be re-engined with 1,300hp engine that will increase the ratio to 23hp/tonne.
To UNKNOWN/JOHN: Mere rumours.
To BHOUTIK: Hope they master all the 10,000 Mandarin characters over the next decade.
To UNKNOWN: I have already uploaded the images of the MBTs above. Do observe them. ZTQ-15 MBT is only with the TMD as of now.
PLAGF Artillery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuC8mCHlQLs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdTXTTha0tk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTLSv8JecFM
PLAAF Radar Operators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQjXu16dliI
WZ-10 Training https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6NFBizIMHQ
Taiwan War Drills Day-1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BhSUSZiv8
Day-2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29gYr9sNns
Day-3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Zos5igIPc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8VKzV15gBQ
DRDO-Developed Heavy Paradrop System: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO5NOP5q7dA
India-Iran-China Analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x3MQUKkGOk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFQWKdDgSFc
India-Iran-China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvJXnBEPa4A
All About Locusts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzAMdwHMHxw
India Will Register A Strong Protest At This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Kjg69-jRg
What type of equipment does the Mountain brigades in TMD have elaborate?
Read this: http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2020/05/plagf-high-altitude-plateau-warfare.html
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