Though the Tejas Mk1 MRCA
will fully certified as an operational platform only by 2016, as it exists
today, the MRCA’s tandem-seat operational conversion trainer variant is
probably the best available lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT) with significant
export prospects.
The slide below shows the
various external add-on sensors, target acquisition/designation systems and dissimilar air combat training aids that will make the Tejas Mk1 a truly potent MRCA.
The slide below shows the lightweight precision-guided munitions available for the Tejas Mk1.
The slide below shows the
PGMs and sensors/fire-control systems for the Tejas Mk1 in the defensive
counter-air mission configuration.
The slide below shows the Tejas
Mk1 in the tactical interdiction mission configuration.
Finally, the slide below shows the Tejas
Mk1 in the battlefield interdiction (close air-support) mission configuration.
Multiple Ejector-Rack Options Available
163 comments:
Hi Prasun, VMT for the video links in the previous thread.
With reference to the slides in this thread, will Tejas Mk-1 have multiple-rack ejectors for Air-to-Ground munitions and Air-to-Air missiles as well? The pictures show multi-rack ejectors for A2G munitions.
Thanks in advance.
What happened to the narrative on 1971 war you promised to us sir?
Hi Prasunji,
It will be prudent if the Tejas MK-I MRCA is actually used by Army Aviation Corps (AAC) for Close Air Support and Tactical Air Superiority. IAF's role will be a broader responsibility of achieving/maintaining complete air superiority and SEAD and DEAD missions for which high end MRCA's will be required. With max speed of 1400 kmph the Tejas MK-I severely lacks the necessary speed and agility that's part of all modern fighters (All these features were supposed to be incorporated in the Tejas Mk-II MRCA which has the max speed close to Mach-2). IAF will actually be very satisfied with Tejas MK-II MRCA which can fulfill its requirements with much capable radar (AESA with 150 km+ operating range), better ordinance carrying capability, better speed (nearly Mach 2).
Where as Indian Army's AAC can definitely put Tejas Mk-I (More fine tuned for ground attacks) to its full use for Close Air Support and to achieve Tactical Air Superiority. Hope it can also turnout high rate of sorties required for Indian Army (Just like the A 10 Warthog and Su 25). VMT
Dear Sir, i'm writing for a french blog http://portail-aviation.blogspot.fr/
We would like to publish an article about LCA program. Although it is a popularization blog, we try to keep accurate information. Would you accept to write a "sum up" of the program as indian correspondant i'd translate? (1 to 3000 words). Thank you in advance, "halloweene" (the nickname i'm knowed with on several indian defence forums
TY
sir,
Wish you a Merry Xmas and a happy and prosperous new year.And as usual a few questions.
1)How exactly was Kargil captured and the role of Ladakh scouts there?
2)What is your assessment of the Kashmiri separatist sentiment and how India should handle the current situation politically?
3)How much time will it take for the Ins vikramaditya to integrate with the rest of the western fleet?
4)Could you suugest a few analysis or analaysts regarding gilgit baltistan & balochistan that are wgood?
Thanks and regards.
To GESSLER: The choice is clear: either have dual-ejector/triple-ejector racks capable of launching lightweight PGMs & AAMs from a light MRCA like Tejas Mk1, or carry twin jettisonable external fuel-tanks along with greatly reduced ordnance-loads since what ADA has shown thus far is only limited to 500kg LGBs of 1980s design. Carrying only two heavy LGBs, two fuel tanks & two WVRAAMs is ludicrous in this day & age when several far better ordnance options are available. One also has to bear in mind two more significant factors:
1) Even after procuring 10 A330-200 MRTTs, the IAF will possess only 16 aerial refuelling tankers—far too little to support a probable 14-day air campaign with 500 offensive sorties being mounted daily in the event of a limited high-intensity conflict. In such a scenario, priority will be accorded to Jaguar IS, Su-30MKIs, MiG-29UPGs & Mirage 2000UPGs when it comes to aerial refuelling, thereby limiting the Tejas Mk1 & equipped with external fuel tanks to only defensive counter-air & battlefield interdiction (close air-support, or CAS) sorties, & the MiG-27UPGs for CAS sorties only. This being the case, the IAF has no other option but to equip the Tejas Mk1s with dual-ejector/triple-ejector racks so as to maximise their weapons-launch capacities. That is the only available option left on the table to make the Tejas Mk1 a financially viable & user-friendly light MRCA.
2) In the CAS role, the Tejas Mk1 will be required to target mostly hostile field artillery emplacements & probably some hostile second-echelon armoured regiments. For striking such targets, using 500kg or even 300kg LGBs is clearly an overkill & loss-making exercise. Instead, usage of 100kg/150kg laser-guided PGMs is the only viable option. Similarly, for Tejas Mk1s tasked with defensive counter-air missions inside friendly airspace & tactical air-superiority missions in support of CAS strikes, usage of dual-ejector racks for R-73E WVRAAMs & Derby MRAAMs along with twin external fuel-tanks is the only available viable option.
To ANURAG: It will be posted in a new thread in the near future, rest assured.
To SS: That will be a non-starter, since the AAC does not possess the capabilities reqd for providing either tactical air-traffic management or theatre-wide ISTAR inputs. Only the IAF does. The AAC will therefore operate only along narrow frontages & very limited depths not exceeding 40km—which is good enough for helicopter-gunships & light attack helicopters all operating under the umbrella of the Army’s land-mobile air defence & control reporting centres. The issues you’ve raised pertain to only platforms. Satisfactory answers to these can only be given AFTER one assesses the overall future battlefield architecture, decides on the type of war to be waged & then articulates the optimum method of waging war. Everything else is purely academic sans any practical value.
To ANUP: Why are they lying? Only they know for sure, since I cannot read what’s on in their minds. Maybe they’re living in a world of make-belief. The only saving grace now is that more & more ‘desi’ news-reporters are waking up to the truth & taking such illusory deadlines with a fistful of salt.
To YVES PAGOT: All the information you require for such a write-up is available at:
http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2012/03/tejas-mk1s-future-prospects.html
http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2012/10/clearing-mist.html
http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2013/06/demanding-impossible.html
http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2012/07/users-insist-on-radical-makeover-for.html
You’re most welcome to translate them into French & edit the script to suit your spatial requirements.
To VIKRANT: VMT. 1) The book written by Capt (Ret’d) Amarinder Singh explains it all. 2) It is dying inside both J & K & POK. Instead, folks in POK are envious now of the economic progress underway inside J & K. Consequently, all that India has to do now is accelerate & sustain the socio-economic well-being of J & K, especially by accelerating the creation of new all-weather road/rail transportation infrastructure. 3) At least 3 years. 4) Kindly seek Google’s help in this matter.
I hope so sir,because I'm very much interested to gather knowledge of India's past military actions (especially the '62 and '71).
On another note,why do we need to use Tejas MkIs or any aircraft for that matter for counter battery bombardment??Why can't the upranged Pinaka MkI and Smerch rockets be used against enemy arty positions??
And if our systems are outranged,then don't you think that IA should induct big numbers of Prahaar NLOS-BSMs as a specialised counter battery weapon instead of rejecting this system altogether??At present the PA's A 100 MBRLs slightly outrange our Smerch Ms-so don't you think that it would be logical to induct Prahaars as it out rangers both the Nasr and A 100 MBRLs??Because even if you use 100 kg bombs,it won't be nearly as cost effective as cheaper missile strikes.
I would very much appriciate your POV wrt this matter.
THANX in advance.
To ANURAG: For the very simple reasons that 1) neither Pinaka nor Smerch-M MBRLs are precision-strike artillery systems (they’re for broad area-strike only) & 2) Such MBRLs during the initial contact battles will be positioned to the rear of the tactical battle area at least 20km/40km inside friendly territory. Only after the first 48 hours of H-Hour will such ground-based field artillery systems be authorised to change locations. Consequently, for CAS immediately after H-Hour, airpower will be employed to guarantee the element of speed & surprise. Usage of depressed-ballistic trajectory NLOS-BSMs will be far more expensive (due to expanded deployment footprint & related logistics support vehicles) as well as highly dangerous since the nuclear doctrines of China, India & Pakistan are not yet known to one another. China, for instance, only states that it won’t ever employ WMDs against conventionally-armed adversaries, but keeps quite about ‘no-first-use’ proviso against WMD-armed adversaries. India’s draft nuclear doctrine exists only as a draft & has not yet been officially embraced. Pakistan’s WMD usage doctrine too remains officially non-existent. In such a scenario, usage of conventionally-armed TBMs or depressed-ballistic trajectory NLOS-BSMs could both cause grave mis-calculations on either side (at the early-warning stage), leading to nuclear escalation. That’s the main reason why India’s armed forces have rightly decided to 1) devote greater R & D resources on cruise missiles like BrahMos-1 Blocks-2/3 & air-launched Nirbhay for undertaking conventional fire-assaults against static targets/installations for both tactical & deep interdiction, & 2) Focus on acquisition of theatre missile defence (TMD) systems that can neutralise the threats posed by only conventionally-armed TBMs, NLOS-BSMs & cruise missiles, since, in any case, no discerning adversary will ever employ conventionally-armed IRBMs & MRBMs for targetted fire-assaults against any worthwhile military target.
@Prasun da
For what ever you said to @Anurag i dont see a future for either Shaurya TBM or Prithvi 3 NLOS BSM.
In that case i think it will be a much better idea to have AL/LL CMs to strike at targets upto 3000 km and only beyond that distance ballistic missiles should be used.
It means cruise missiles will and should be used by IA/IAF and ballistic missiles should used only by IN.
That reminds me of question i asked in last thread that whether the 3500 km k4 SLBM is a TD like 700 km B05 SLBM since it cant strike any meaningful target in China, to which you said correct, then later you said 'the first operational SLBM will be 3500 km SLBM', can you clarify the confusion
You say IAF will have just 16 air refuelers, dont you think after arrival of 16 C17s with possibility of 4 more it will be prudent to convert atleast 4 to 8 of 24 IL76s into refuelers
thanks
Joydeep Ghosh
@Prasun Da
Sir we had talked of dual ejector racks for BVRAAMs and PGMs before, but you had stated that dual ejector racks had not been fabricated and that there could be possible drag related issues, so how do we get past that? Not to mention that the smaller PGMs like the the Spice-250 which come with some interesting carriage options (quad rack per pylon) aren't exactly cheap.
Also it seems that the place of the retractable landing gear and the dimensions of the undercarriage are not conducive to accommodating a weapons pod on the undercarriage hardpoint, if somehow we could get a pod to fit in that would solve some of our issues- hell the Tejas might then be able to carry at least two BVRAAMs along with PGMs and WVRAAMs on the under wing pylons. Think its possible, perhaps they should have thought of shifting the landing gear outwards like with the Gripen NG- would have opened up some space?
Any news as to whether the Tejas will be fitted with UV/MAWS? If not then perhaps the ADA really needs to look into the pylon integrated system we had seen for the Jag upgrade, no?
Can LCA Tejas Mk2 be armed with Brahmos M & Nirbhay (Air Launched)
Thank you very much for links, will let you know when i publish the article.
Dear Prasun,
As per your suggestion Tejas Mk 1 should be a LIFT. But it is upto IAF to decide on it. I think it will ask HAL to deliver more tandem seat crafts in future. In your latest thread you have prised Mk1 by using the term "potent". By the way if it used as a MRCA, how will it fare against chinese crafts like J-10/J-11 in dissimilar air combat. They will shoot it down even before tejas track them. What about the obsolete Tarang RWR??? Will it be replaced in the near future??? Even it chance of survival is questionable against PAF F-16 MRCA. Plz. clear my doubts regarding those scenarios.
Also given our history with firming up operational configs one is not filled with much optimism. Look at the LCH where we have settled for just 2 ATGMs per hardpoint whereas every other comparable helo easily carried up to 4 ATGMs per hardpoint. We don't seem to be terribly bright when it comes to squeezing out the full potential of a system.
At last:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-US-ink-1billion-deal-for-six-Super-Hercules-aircraft/articleshow/28025763.cms
Sir,
1.What is the range of the IAI MLGB and can it be carried 3 per ejector rack?
2.Besides the Rafael Lightning and Reccelite pods,IAI Ehud acmi pod is that a podded version of Selex Galileo Skyward IRST?
Has it been selected for the Tejas mk1 ?
3.Besides AASM-250 and MLGB why cant Tejas mk1 use fire and forget IAI Spice 250, MBDA Spear with tri mode seeker and Boeing SDB-1/2 type light smart PGM instead of the laser guided ones which requires constant illumination.
4.What is the Mayavi EW suite?what jammer and Rwr does this suite incorporate?
5.Some time ago, you said IA had rejected the Praharr NLOS-BSM and is favouring the Prthvi-3 solid fuelled BSM which will have a 600 km range with 1 ton payload. It will replace the earlier inventories of Prthvi-1 and 2 on a one on one basis. Has IA taken a final call on this matter? Again you are saying usage of conventionally armed TBM can cause mis-calculations.
6.When will orders be placed for the 262 Barak-1,2 more PHALCONS ?
7.Wont PDV be testfired this year or Drdo has conducted the test without any public disclosure? Drdo has so far announced so many a times about the test thats its going to take place now,then but the test ahsnt happened thus far.
8.What is the status of construction and renovation of the exisiting airbase in Panagarh for accomodating the 6 C-130 and 6 A-330 MRTT.
Prasun ,
What are the critical line replaceable units that will be imported for LCA MKI and MKII ?
Thanx
@Prasunda
What do you make of Kejriwal's radical social experiments with the concept of Mobocracy or in other words direct democracy?
I feel its a ploy to reduce India to a subsistence state, and am quite shocked that Delhiites and other youngsters don't see through this dangerous ploy in the name of "empowerment/transparency"?
Prasun, it is been said that AAP got congress support in delhi because AAP agreed to congress demand of fielding candidates in all 108 seats where BJP won and 115 seats where BJP came second in 2009 elections so that anti congress votes can be divided. How much harm AAP can cause to the BJP in next elections and can NDA still form government in 2014?
@Prasunda
Also do you really feel the Gujarat riots of 2002 had a huge hand of NaMo and the state machinery behind them?
Hi Prasun
Personally i think the HUD in the lca is archaic with a narrow view and blocks the frontal view of the pilot , either we should go in for the Holographic HUD or eliminate the HUD altogether as in the JSF.
IS the Targo HMD good enough to eliminate the HUD.
In the pic posted by you, what is the pod on the left to the litening pod , an irst ? which ,make?.
To JOYDEEP GHOSH: Why not? The Shaurya TBM is the only available canister-mounted land-mobile TBM that can be quickly fired as part of India’s second-strike nuclear riposte. On the other hand, the Prithvi-3 NLOS-BSM can be used effectively as a conventional deterrent against the conventionally-armed NLOS-BSMs of the PLA’s 2nd Artillery Corps. When it comes to nuclear-armed strategic deterrents, the best options available are always ballistic missiles like Agni-4/5, SLBMs like 3,500km-range K-4/B-04 & the projected K-5, and cruise missiles like 1,200km-range Nirbhay. The K-4/B-04 is sufficient for use against Pakistan but against China one requires longer-range SLBMs like 6,500km-range missiles. Existing IL-76MDs of the IAF don’t have much airframe life left in them beyond 2018 & will therefore have to be decommissioned. Consequently, at least 10 new-build IL-78MKI-90s will have to be procured to add to the six IL-78MKIs & 10 A330-200 MRTTs.
To BHASWAR: It’s elementary: if indigenous weapons-ejector racks aren’t available, then go ahead & import them, just as they will be for the Rafale M-MRCA & the Mirage 2000UPG. And like I had explained before, new-generation lightweight PGMs are now available in plenty (like the MLGB, Griffin-3 etc) that can be carried in appreciable numbers by Tejas Mk1 equipped with triple-ejector racks. In other words, configure the weapons package in such a way that the Tejas Mk1’s power-to-weight ratio & its turn rate/climb rate when carrying its full weapons load remains advantageous. Undercarriage hardpoint can indeed carry one LGB or one fuel tank as shown in in a diagram I had uploaded earlier showing the various external loading options. Tejas Mk1s won’t have MAWS, UNLESS the pylon-mounted option is exercised. The very least one can now expect from ADA or HAL or the IAF is to come up with realistic graphic presentations showing the Tejas Mk1 armed with lightweight PGMs similar to what I have posted above. After all, one cannot expect a light MRCA to be shown armed with heavyweight LGBs! Hope IAF HQ draws some serious conclusions from the graphic posters I’ve shown above & does the logical needful. LCH can carry only 4 ATGMs because the other 2 pylons are each reserved for two Mistral ATAMs. If the latter is done away with, then the LCH will be able to carry eight ATGMs on four pylons. The other option is to redesign the stub-wings of the LCH so that the four underwing pylons can each carry two ATGMs, while the Mistral ATAMs are carried on the wingtips. These are all simple innovations requiring only limited re-design & re-engineering—but which strangely continue to elude HAL. It does therefore appear that HAL does not seem to be terribly bright when it comes to squeezing out the full potential of a system.
To ANIL: Nope, period.
To SOUBHAGYA: Tejas Mk1 light MRCA can easily hold out against the J-10A & F-16A/B/C/D but not against the J-11 or the J-10B equipped with IRST sensor. Tarang RWR will remain on Tejas Mk1 bit not on Tejas Mk2. Do check out the photos of the J-10A’s underwing twin-ejector racks that I’ve uploaded above.
To LITTLEMASTER: 1) medium-weight laser-guided bomb (MLGB) from Israel Aerospace Industries is a dual-mode laser-/GPS-guided weapon optimised for tactical interdiction aircraft. It is 170cm long and weighs just 115kg, of which the bulk is accounted for by the warhead. Precise homing of the MLGB is achieved against both stationary and moving targets, taking advantage of its laser homing capability. Its fixed wings are in a cruciform configuration and spans 82cm. The MLGB includes an advanced multi-mode fuse that allows for height, impact or delayed (penetration-capable) operation. Carriage and release envelope are compatible with light combat aircraft. The MLGB boasts of achieving hit accuracies of better than 1-metre CEP. Prior to release, the MLGB is powered up and mission parameters are loaded. Upon release, a mid-course navigation trajectory is executed, with transition to terminal homing taking place in the final flight stage. 2) Selex Galileo’s pod-mounted Skyward IRST has not yet been selected, but it will be in future. 3) They all can be, PROVIDED the IAF specifies triple-ejector/dual-ejector racks of the type I’ve shown above. 4) It was shown on a previous thread dealing with IAF’s EW suites. 5) It’s not for the IA to take a final call on this matter, but for the MoD. The IA is clear that it wants such a NLOS-BSM to counter the fire-assaults launched by the PLA’s 2nd Artillery Corps. Usage of conventionally armed TBM can indeed cause mis-calculations whenever there’s no doctrinal clarity among the involved adversaries. 6) Additional Barak-1s will be ordered by next June. 7) It appear to be the case, does it? 8) Land acquisition efforts are still underway.
To DEFENSE & AEROSPACE: All the components that I had listed in the previous thread will be imported for Tejas Mk1 & LCA (Navy) Mk1. In my personal estimate, only 30% of them can possibly be indigenised for the Tejas Mk2 & LCA (Navy) Mk2.
To ABS: Ruling over Delhi is akin to a Mayor presiding over the administration of a metropolis. Administering & managing a state like Jharkhand or UP or MP is a totally different kettle of fish altogether. In any case, most of Delhi’s administrative funding is subsidised by the Centre’s fi9nancial allocations for the National Capital Region. Therefore, AAP will discover sooner than later that its administrative diktats will frequently be overruled by the Centre. Most Delhiites, especially the youth, in any case, live in a world of make-believe & are totally oblivious to the realities of Centre-State relations & the various existing faultlines that characterise the dysfunctional system of financial allocations from the Centre to the States. Such a system was first introduced by the Indian National Congress & while it worked well when the INC was in power in both the Centre & majority of the States, it doesn’t work at all today & matters are getting more chaotic & this in turn has led to a back-breaking taxation regime at central- & state-levels, which in turn only hurts business investment sentiments.
NaMo wasn’t instrumental at all in the staging of the post-Godhra riots of 2002. For, at that time NaMo was still trying to consolidate his power within Gujarat’s state administration. And that was the reason he was at that time powerless to control the other prevailing corridors of power within Gujarat, such as the VHP, Bajrag Dal, etc. But the one administrative lapse NaMo was responsible for was to take the decision to bring the charred bodies of the Godhra victims to Ahmedabad for their final funeral rites. It was this act that inflamed communal passions the most & this consequently spread throughout the state. Had the victims’ funeral rites taken place at Godhra itself, the communal carnage could have been effectively contained & greatly minimised from a law enforcement standpoint. NaMo learnt valuable lessons from this & subsequently it was he & only he who severely cut down to size the regressive influences of the VHP & Bajrang Dal within Gujarat.
To ROHIT: Rest assured that AAP’s influence won’t go beyond the National Capital Region. BJP’s return to power is more or less assured in 2014 due to the prevailing strong anti-incumbency factor. What will be the make-up of NDA-2 remains to be seen.
To RAD: For the Tejas Mk2, the IAF has specified the CockpitNG from ELBIT Systems, which features a holographic HUD. Targo HMDS is optimised for air-to-air engagements & consequently, the HUD will be reqd for displaying weapons delivery & navigational data to the Tejas Mk1’s pilot for initiating precision ground strikes. That’s the pod-mounted version of the Skyward IRST sensor.
Interesting Reads:
http://warontherocks.com/2013/10/blockading-china-a-guide/
http://breakingdefense.com/2013/09/does-china-have-a-pacific-strategy-or-are-they-bumbling-along/
http://breakingdefense.com/2013/09/chinas-dangerous-weakness-part-1-beijings-aggressive-idea-of-self-defense/
http://warontherocks.com/2013/09/amphibious-ops-in-the-21st-century/
Excellent documentary on the V-22 Osprey’s first operational deployment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDL_cqjD3o
Movie on the sinking of Soviet Navy SSBN K-219 in October 6, 1986:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psxppQfUxzY
Operation "Azorian", one of the most ambitious projects ever undertaken by the CIA and US Navy during the Cold War, involved the raising of the Soviet Navy’s SSBN K-129. In March 1968, the K-129 carrying three SLBMs, each with a one-megaton thermo-nuclear warhead, sank with the tragic loss of its 98 officers and crew in the Central North Pacific. K-129's location remained unknown to the Soviets for over six years but the US Air Force had located it within weeks. The intelligence of Soviet naval missile technology and a potential intelligence coup of the highest magnitude! The CIA and the US Navy immediately crafted a secret programme of unparalleled imagination and engineering to recover the K-129. This clandestine effort was code named "Azorian", to obtain intelligence at the height of the Cold War, would take over six years to complete and still remains highly classified even today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h6rGrzD2VY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlugDBianlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAXAp0eSU4w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDqCb_83Xcg
Dear Prasun,
"the MRCA’s tandem-seat operational conversion trainer variant is probably the best available lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT) with significant export prospects."
How many of the tandem-seat operational conversion trainer variants are built so far? How many more are going to be built?
@Prasun da
A podded IRST means one less valuable hardpoint available for stores and munitions, isn't there a way around this such as an integrated IRST system?
Sir while it would be beneficial indeed to shift the Mistral out for wingtip carriage but I was thinking more from the perspective of a Light Attack Helo where one underwing hardpoint would be taken up by a podded MMW sensor anyway- as such why can't we simply redesign the carriage of the ATGMs to ensure that each hardpoint can carry 4 ATGMs?
So if the undecarriage hardpoint can carry a fuel tank then could it carry a dual carriage combo of BVRAAMs or a weapons pod? If it can then it would handily fix most of the issues.
What's this rubbish about not needing to go through flying prototypes for the Mk.2 LCA being thrown about? Won't the change in dimensions alone require new prototypes leave alone the massive amount of new tech going in?
If I were to think up a config, I would opt for triple carried brimstone/Nag derivatives on each of the two pylons second on the wing or 3-4 PGMs on each, pylon integrated MAWS on the fuel tank hardpoints with 1 fuel tank on each point, 1 WVRAAMs each obviously on the outermost point AND a weapon's pod (with 2-4 BVRAAMs) or dual carried BVRAAMs on the undercariage hardpoint. What say you of this config, specially on an AESA equipped MK.2 where all of these things will truly come to life with better sensors and man-machine interface and more fuel?
Hi Prasunji,
The trend (The philosophy behind developing light and heavy fighter classes) in top airforces across the world is to have balanced composition of light and heavy MRCAs, with light fighter composing 2/3 rd's of the share and the heavy one sharing 1/3 rd share. Now in India's case Tejas
started to be inducted into the IAF (We cannot say it just merely replaces the Mig-21 fighters as Tejas is a modern fighter which will be able to perform much capable tasks than a older Mig-21), should it be inducted in large volumes? If su-30 Mk-I composes of more than 10 squadrons in IAF than the Tejas (Mk-I + Mk-II) rightfully should be inducted in large volumes (being our aircraft should occupy nearly 20 squadrons atleast) and should be in limited time frame (Production starting from 2014 and ending some where at 2030). In the advent of 5 Generation aircraft occupying the aerial battle zones the fourth generation aircrafts may not have much to offer beyond 2040s. Being single engined its operational foot print also encourages to have it in large numbers. But this requires a production capacity of more than 40 aircraft per year which can happen only when IAF shows real intent (To build up Tejas capabilities and relying on it incrementally, localizing its major components incrementally) in our own Tejas. Just my view. Your thoughts. VMT
Prasun Da ,
(1) Does the Indian Air Force make public the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements for the Tejas MK1 or MK2 ?
(2) When do you expect the contract for the Super SU 30MKI to be signed ?
(3) Times Of India reported today that Yasin Bhatkal was planning to nuke Surat . Is it therefore possible that Jihadi groups have laid their hands on Pakistan's nukes ?
Many Thanks
Sujoy
Here is the TOI link .
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Indian-Mujahideen-wanted-to-nuke-Surat-Yasin-Bhatkal-tells-cops/articleshow/28116663.cms
Dear Prasun,
Wishing you and near and dear ones a happy and prosperous New Year.
To SNTATA: To date, only two tandem-seaters have been built: one for the IAF’s flight evaluation & one for the IN. For a squadron of Tejas Mk1s, four tandem-seaters will be required. Out of 40 Tejas Mk1s, eight will be tandem-seaters. However, if the tandem-seaters were to be used for LIFT missions as well (and not just for mere operational conversion), then the total reqmt for such LIFT-configured tandem-seat MRCAs for both the IAF & IN will easily jump to 90.
To BHASWAR: Not necessarily. For defensive counter-air operations, the Litening-2 LDP will give way to the podded IRST sensor. When configured as a LAH, the helicopter will have MMW target-acquisition radar mounted ABOVE any of the two stub-wings, not underneath. Underbelly-mounted central pylon of Tejas Mk1 can easily carry dual-ejector racks for carrying MLGB-type PGMs or MRAAMs. Problem is the morons in-charge of designing the Tejas Mk1’s brochure haven’t shown any creativity whatsoever & hence the huge confusion prevailing over the Tejas Mk1’s external weapons configurations. Like I had explained before, show a light MRCA with lightweight PGMs (with even Brimstone-type PGMs) & the overall graphics presentation becomes much more appealing & realistic. The heavier Tejas Mk2 will be a true MRCA like the Gripen NG & will be able to carry heavier PGMs, even though they’re quite unnecessary, given the steadily proliferating range of lighter PGMs with multi-mode terminal guidance sensors. And as for the intensely stupid rants emanating from ADA’s Director official about the need to do away with a prototype of Tejas Mk2, only time will prove that such rants only serve to make India the world’s laughing stock (especially when no one before has even dreamt of attempting such bombastic feats), similar to the rants made in February 2013 by the same official when he claimed that he never knew or was never informed that a MRCA’s design configuration has got to take into account factors/parameters like the aircraft’s hourly direct operating cost or its maintenance man-hours per flying hour.
To SS: When one talks about Tejas Mk1 being viewed as MiG-21 replacement, it means that this light MRCA will replace the MiG-21FL, MiG-21M & MiG-21 Bison—all of which were designed as single-role combat aircraft & not MRCAs. However, it is equally true that the Tejas Mk2—being a true MRCA—will easily be able to replace the MiG-27Ms, MiG-27UPGs & even the Mirage 2000UPGs. Now, when viewing matters from the techno-economic matrix or cost-benefit ratio angle, it is crystal-clear that both the IAF & IN desire an MRCA that’s both heavier than the existing Tejas Mk1, & which can also boast of superior power-to-weight ratio as well as superior climb/turn rates. In other words, the Tejas Mk2. And like I explained above as well as earlier several times, there’s a crying need for 4+ generation LIFTs. Consequently, I personally would prefer the IAF & IN to immediately commit to acquiring no less than 90 tandem-seat Tejas Mk1s configured as LIFTs at a rate of 30 units per annum, while focussing all available R & D resources to realising the Tejas Mk2 equipped with imported AESA-MMR, imported internal IRST sensor, imported CockpitNG suite & imported retractable aerial refuelling probe. Rolling out the Tejas Mk2 in such a configuration is fully possible by 2017, followed by service-entry in 2019. The IAF alone will then account for a fleet comprising 150 Tejas Mk2s, instead of the current projected figure of 96.
To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: 1) None of the 3 armed service make public their respective QRs. Only the RFPs, once released on a restrictive basis only to OEMs, contain the QRs. 2) Next fiscal year, perhaps. 3) A most preposterous news-report, to say the very least. Rest assured that if indeed it was possible for the ‘thrifty’ terrorists of South Asian origin to obtain such WMDs, then the ‘wealthier’ terrorists hailing from the Middle East or North Africa would already have procured them long ago.
Here's wishing all out there & all their loved ones a productive, joyous & prosperous new year ahead.
Thank You PrasunDa
I too wish you and all your near and dear ones a Very Happy & Prosperous New Year .
Best Regards,
Sujoy
Dear Prasunda,
Happy New Year to you and the family.
Hope you have a great year ahead.
Best
HI prasun
Is the selex raven-05 AESA radar the same radar that has been selected by the IAF? or different. In that case the wave form and capability will be known to all when the gripen is exported.
In my opinion and while watching videos on you tube the f-17 seems an equal to the LCA , and better in terms of wide variety of weapons etc. The fly by wire advantage will disappear once the FBW version of the jf-17 which is being readied comes on line . The SD-10 simply out ranges the derby missile , what advantage do we have in a real life one to one aerial combat?. please comment.
we should have an long range AAM to counter this , like the barak -8 turned into a long range air to air missile which is possible. The astra is to immature and short ranged to go into battle with contemporary aams.?
If a radar is placed on the wing tip of the LCH it is likely to block the view of the other side
would it be feasible to put a small AESA radar like the picosar on top and behind of the pilots canopy?.
Dear Prasun Da ,
May hope and dreams light your way and lead you into a new year that shines with special joy. Happy New Year!
- Vikram
Wishing you a happy and prosperous new year Prasun da.
What I would like to ask you is if the conventionally armed Prithvy 3 doesn't invite a nuclear retaliation,then how come a conventionally armed Shaurya might invite the same??How the enemy could differentiate between an incoming Prithvy 3 oand a Shaurya during the early warning stage??I mean both of them beings TBMs should have very very similar (if not identical) flight characteristics!!
Besides PLA 2nd artillery corps has over time deployed at least 1500 conventionally armed BMs of different ranges and payloads,then why shouldn't and can't IA deploy large number (at least 800) of conventionally armed TBMs??
Last I heard,the Pakis are inducting HQ 9 LRSAMs. Along with their Spada 2000s,AWACS and Sky Shields this will create a formidable air defense environment and any manned strike mission by IAF into paki territory will most probably result into disaster for IAF. So don't you think it will be better to take out their airfields and air defense infra by launching large volleys of Brahmos block 3 and Nirbhay LACMs and conventionally armed TBMs to cripple them with out launching the manned strike packages at the first go??After their air defense infra is crippled,then our manned strike fighter could destroy the PAF fighters and AWACS on the ground.
And lastly,by when do you think that an Indian version of JSOW type glide bomb would be ready??
Oh and I almost forgot!!Seems like the Pukis are planning to license produce the a 100 MBRLs and eventually plans to induct at least 10 regiments which means upwards 300 systems;effectively outgunning and outnumbering the Indian inventory of 64 or so Smerch MBRLs.
So in my view,it's imperative for IA to instruct the DRDO to further improvise the range and payload capacity of Prahaar NLOS BSMs and induct this system in large numbers.Is there any other option left for Army??Or are they hoping the IAF to destroy the Paki arty from the first go without neutralizing PAF air defense network??
Prasunda,
Wish you a very happy new year 2014.
Is this China's new stealth bomber as being published on many defense forums & websites?
http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/12/30/is_this_chinas_new_stealth_bomber#sthash.C7skZ390.dpbs
What spooked me is he timing of the appearance of this photograph. If you remember, the first photograph of J-20 appeared on websites just when 2010 was ending.
Yet again,China is giving us New Year Present in the form of this stealth bomber.
What are you view? Is this the real thing & what impact will it have on the balance of power in the whole region?
Prasun ,
Wishing you and your's a very happy new year .
There were some news in the Indian media that India too might purchase the V 22 Osprey .
Will India purchase the V 22 Osprey now that even Japan has decided to ?
In your opinion is the V 22 an ideal aircraft for India ?
Thanx
HI Prasun
I tend to agree on the points made by Anurag , the pak air defence is quite good , and spada , oerlikon canons , shoulder fired sams , crotales etc all this coupled with awacs is formidable and
going in low level will be disastrous. The best thing is to have brahmos versions, nirbhays, and other short range cruise missiles in the hundreds to do the job of a ac with better accuracy. I guess the nirbhay will cost 3$million while a new version su-30 mki is nearly 90 mill$.
a salvo of hundreds of them in the first wave and then softening of targets remaining with AASM will be a smart way . We should ask the russians to co develop a precise pinpoint version of the kh-58 cruise missile so that a flight of 4 sukhois can take out 16 targets like HAS in one flight from standoff distance . The missile is already mature and making it pin point is not going to be difficult today.
More Importantly we have have the ks-172 missile to take out the awacs from stand off distance.Please comment
Happy new Year!!
Hey rad,happy new year man.I would like to point at few things on your post if you don't mind.
1.I don't think a Nirbhay LACM would cost as much as 3 mil since Brahmos block 3 doesn't cost that much.
2.IAF is not gonna induct the Novator K 100 'AWACS killer' AAMs,period.Because for a small seeker of an AAM it'll be very very difficult if not out right impossible to lock on to an AWACS protected by high power ECM and ESM.
Instead a far better approach would be to catch them on the ground,especially since Pak has very little strategic depth.
So best strategy for IAF would be to cripple their air fields and simultenously attack their air defense network with LACM and JSOW type glide bombs from a safe distance.The airstrips have to be targeted with purpose built JSOW type munitions and conventionally armed TBMs.The runways have to be taken out at any cost quickly.Then IAF strike fighters will be able to eliminate the grounded PAF fighters and AWACS.
THIS in my opinion is gonna be the best bet for IAF.
Wishing Prasun Da and everybody here, a prosperous and very Happy New Year.
Wishing every one here of Trishul-Trident a prosperous happy new year.
Anurag
Prasun da,extremely sorry for asking yet another question.Kya karu?Kantrol nehi hota. So here it is:
During any future hostilities among India and Pak,wouldn't it be more effective if the PN surface is attacked with IAF Su 30MKIs,Rafales armed with Klub,air launched Brahmos and JSOW type glide bombs (against berthed warships) rather than pitting IN assets directly against them??I mean,if IAF strike fighters manage to soften the PN surface fleet enough,then the IN might be able to enfore a 'distant naval blockade' around pak coast.
anurag
Happy new year, i believe the nirbhay could cost even more in todays dollars because of low production rates .In US the tomahawk costed than 1.5 mil because of massive orders off 1000 missiles for all branches and they had the advantage of tech as well .
the cost of the brahmos is 10mill$ this has been disclosed openly in various publications, do give me details that substantiate your estimate of lower costs , i would be happy if it costed less.
There is no way that we can bring down the awacs by sending in fighters as it will be too heavily protected it will be trap in fact with heavy attrition. It cant be taken for granted that we can catch the awacs on the ground.By the by they can do the same to us.
SO i still believe in long range AAMs . If not there would be no reason for the EADS to make the meteor long range missile and in their brochure they take in pride in saying that a meteor equipped fighter can easily shoot down an amraam equipped fighter before the latter can come into missile release range. Any way Prasun please clear our doubts
Dear Prasun,
Does India has any long range air/surface tracking radar? Is there any OTH-B radar, anywhere located on Indian territory? Any radar of Pave-Hawk kind being installed in near future?
A while ago, Australian Defence Minister was approached by Indian authorities for help on developing a Jindalee kind of radar. Any follow on on that?
Thanks and Happy New Year.
Hi prasun,
Happy new year. May this year bring lots of happiness and prosperity to you and all your family members.
May this year bring many more enlightening articles from u.
Happy new year to all my fellow bloggers here!!!!
Yo rad,I'll try to answer your queries within the limitation of my limited knowledge.So lets start,
Firstly,there is not many subsonic cruise missiles with a price tag of 3 million dollars each (at least not that I know of),so why should the Nirbhay LACM be an exception??And besides,I don't think the Nirbhay LACM would be as advanced as the late model BGM 109 Tomahawk;after all Nirbhay is our first attempt!!
Secondly,$10 mils a piece....I mean seriously??!!Even a new built K 2 Black Panther doesn't cost that much!!
And IIRC in 2011,IN ordered 50 Brahmos block 2s at a total cost of Rs/-711 crore giving about $2.5 mils for a piece.But if you can prove me wrong,I'm ever ready to be corrected.
And your next argument is self contradictory-I mean at one point you are telling that using manned fighters against AWACS would be disastrous and right after that you are saying 'SO i still believe in long range AAMs . If not there would be no reason for the EADS to make the meteor long range missile and in their brochure they take in pride in saying that a meteor equipped fighter can easily shoot down an amraam equipped fighter before the latter can come into missile release range'.
And how do you think that the Meteor or any other AAM for that matter is gonna overcome the intense ECM and EWS of the said AWACS??
And what makes you think that the Meteor will surely beat the AMRAAM??What if the opponent fighter is equipped with the latest AIM 120Ds??
And then what makes you think that all of PAF AWACS would be on station in a given moment??And what makes you think that a salvo of multiple conventionally armed TBMs and LACMs can not cripple the PAF air fields??
And even if some of them are on station,by simultaneously attacking all the PAF air fields and air defense nodes,you can deny them a space to land.
So I would still say attacking the PAF air bases and ADN at the same go by several hundred of LACMs and TBMs followed by IAF manned air interdiction would garner much better dividend rather than trying to achieve an uphill objective of taking out PAF assets on air.
Anurag
Wishing you and your near and dear ones a very happy and prosperous new year prasunji. VMT.
And Mr rad,it occurs to me that you probably didn't get my previous posts.So I'll be trying to explain what I meant to say.
As per the new proactive war fighting strategy,IA would launch attacks with IBGs and expects IAF to provide close air support consistently.This is even more vital since IA arty is out ranged and outnumbered by their PA counter parts.
But as you already know,PAF already has a formidable air defense network backed by quite a big number of AWACS,so disabling the PAF capability becomes very important.
And that's the exact reason I was advocating to induct a large number of conventionally armed TLMs,LACMs,air launched cruise missiles and JSOW type stand off weapons and the Prahaar NLOS BSMs for use against PA A 100 MBRLs without having to rely solely on IAF.
Now what I'm suggesting is that during a future stand off,IAF should launch volleys of TBMs,ALCMs,LACMs and JSOW type glide bombs from out side of PAF air defense network against all the PAF air fields,major air defense grids,PA corps and divisional HQs,Ordnance depots all at one go.It would take several hundreds of such weapons to inflict significant damages against their war fighting capability and cripple their air base and air defense infrastructure,turning their air assets into sitting ducks and leaving the gate open for successive air interdiction by IAF manned strike air crafts.
And one also has to keep in mind the narrow elongated nature of Paki landmass or in other words their lack of strategic depth.This makes even relatively shorter range missile very much effective against their infrastructures.
Now only good ground radars Pakis have are the 6 units of US AN/TPS 77s AESAs and about 4-6 Chinese L band PESA radars,and these will be come IAF's top priority for SEAD missons.
All sequences have to be coordinated and performed simultaneously to achieve the maximum element of surprise and then they would have to keep the Pakis under constant pressure in order to deny them any breathing space.
In other words,any future war has to be fought on the basis of combined arms operations and the the battle formations have to be maneuvered fluidly around the battle fields in order to throw our adversaries off balance and the services has synergies their efforts if they really want to decisively defeat a foe like Pakistan.
Hope you got what I wanted to say.And Prasun da,would it be possible and realistic or there would be some problems-I would like to know yours and any other's views on this.
Wishing you and your near and dear ones a very happy and prosperous new year prasunji. VMT.
When will INS Sindhukirti enter service again?
Anurag
I think i stand corrected on the cost of the brahmos i must have seen 10 crore in stead of 10mill$ ,
It does not make financial sense to have a 65 crore missile !. The latest harpoon block -2 seems to cost 7 mill i think.
I agree with u when u say there should be simultaneous salvo of missiles but i hope they do not get gps jammed simultaneously! ie until we have our own system with anti jamming receivers.
what i am trying to say is that we need long range AAMs to take out the awacs. The example i gave about meteor is precisely that.The Aim 120-d is still not as long legged as the meteor. there is always going to be jamming and ecm against any AAM so that does not mean that we should not have long range AAm, for matter of fact even todays AAM will be ecm countered.What we should do is turn the barak -8 into a long range aam ie with aesa seeker and we have a good chance . The israelis have said it is quite doable,Still better ask them to do a seeker like the stunner has , that has IIR as well as active radar . So it is possible to remain ahead of the competition.
The AN fps-117 is pesa not aesa.
Just think of the psychological scare they will get when they realize we have such advanced AAM,because they are very difficult to jam with normal jammers. The pak pilots will be scared shit less because it is difficult to track aesa radar with the rwr.
The indian pilots were scared of the sidewinder missile in the 65 war as its performance was unknown , and dint know how to counter it.
http://www.firstpost.com/world/why-the-us-will-have-to-eat-crow-over-devyani-khobragade-row-1317477.html
To RAD: Not the Vixen-1000e/ES-5 Raven, but its Vixen 850E version that is still on offer for Tejas Mk2. For Tejas Mk1 the EL/M-2032 is on board. MRAAMs operating with mechanically-scanned MMRs don’t exactly go out to their max range since the targetted aircraft can easily escape the illumination zone of such MMRs. Thus, the R-77 too will not be able to engage targets as far as 80km away. Only with AESA-MMRs can long-range interception be attempted successfully. Thus SD-10A MRAAM fired by JF-17 will be only as effective as the Derby or R-77 & that too only out to 40km max. Therefore, an Astra Mk2 with 40km-range will be good enough for a Tejas Mk1 with EL/M-2032 MMR on board.
TO RAD & ANURAG: BrahMos-1’s acquisition price was US$3 million during 2005. It’s gone up since then, that I can confirm. Nirbhay ALCM’s acquisition price will be close to US$3 million per unit, unless thousands of them are ordered. MBDA’s Meteor LRAAM is meant for launch from AESA-MMR-equipped MRCAs & that too in scenarios where there’s no chance whatsoever of a blue-on-blue confrontation. Such scenarios are indeed very rare & persist only over the high seas (like over the Atlantic & Pacific Oceans). Over the surface, even when launching MRAAMs, most air forces first have to achieve positive target identification, which is by no means easy even when using IFF transponders. That’s what the air forces of Israel & the US learnt the hard way in Vietnam & in the Middle East. Pakistan’s air-defence networks are by no means formidable & won’t be for at least another decade. Following OP Neptune’s Spear in May 2011, the PAF & PA both admitted in on-the-record briefings given to select Pakistani journalists that even the IA & IAF could easily launch such special operations along Pakistan’s eastern frontiers & such operations will never be detectable by Pakistan’s early-warning sensors until it is too late.
To ANURAG: Because the Shaurya won’t be cruising at the same altitude as Prithvi-3 or BrahMos-1. TBMs like Shaurya need to be used as ballistic missiles going as high as 80km due to their limited payloads, whereas NLOS-BSMs like Prithvi-3/BrahMos-1 cruise at altitudes of 16km. Therefore, the adversary will be closely monitoring & tracking flight trajectories to determine the type of missile being used. For this reason, TBMs won’t be employed by India for conventional strikes due to a) the very limited conventional payload such missiles carry, & b) they will lower the nuclear threshold while raising the risk of first-strike by Pakistan. HQ-9 LR-SAM won’t be acquired by Pakistan, the KS-1C will. Pakistan has far too few Spada-2000s & Sky Shields to protect all its VAs & VPs. On the western front, crippling the adversary’s ground-based air-defences will be achieved through CALCMs & air-launched BrahMos-1A. Runway destruction will be attempted with anti-airfield weapons, which are cruise missiles armed with runway-cratering sub-munitions. Such PGMs are of the dual-use-type, meaning they can also be employed against field artillery concentrations like MBRL regiments. Prahaar NLOS-BSMs don’t carry heavy payloads when compared to those of Prithvi-3 & therefore the latter will be a better option.
To ANIONE: China is indeed developing a stealthy bomber that will eventually replace the Xian JH-7A. But it will be smaller in size than what’s being speculated about. The illustration that you’ve highlighted is therefore far away from the truth.
To DEFENSE & AEROSPACE: Logically, the V-22 Osprey, not the CH-47E, is the perfect answer to address the IA’s shortcomings in high-altitude air-maintenance. With a service ceiling of 26,000 feet, it is a platform unmatched globally, thus far & even China is now developing as tilt-wing for such purposes. In addition, the V-22 can be an excellent VVIP transportation platform as well, since it will be able to carry any willing Indian VVIP to anywhere where the IA’s forces are deployed in northern J & K (provided the VVIP’s balls remain unfrozen). And given the Indian penchant for cancelling procurement contracts even without any prima facie evidence of wrongdoing (like that of the AW-101), it now appears increasingly likely that only contracts processed through the FMS channel will be deemed scandal-free by the Govt of India. If this is how matters will progress in future, then contenders like the V-22 or even CH-47F Chinook or S-92 Super Hawk may be the only options left for the VVIP transportation role.
To KRIS: Such radars don’t exist in India as of now. But the IN will require such radars for its southern seaboard in future under Project Varsha. I had written about them way back in late 2011.
To ANURAG: The PAF’s platforms, when equipped with CALCMs, can indeed cripple both the PAF & PN. But in wartime, each armed service demands a piece of the cake & therefore the IN too will have to get involved by launching land-attack strikes with CALCMs.
Hi prasun
The size of nose cone of the LCA and the gripen seem the same given that both are nearly equal in size and dimension , of course the Gripen is an extremely well engineered ac, compared to the LCA due to their advanced tech and experience in building fighter ac.
Then why is it that they can fit the vixen 1000e , and we have to go for the smaller 850e ?.
How is drdo going to enhance the range of the ASTRA from 40 to 100km? Integrating the astra will require the source codes and datalink details and freq for it to be effective on the LCA ,will the israelis give that?.
How are we going to tackle the menace of the babur cruise missile .should we go in for an anti cruise missile defense program like the US?.
Hi Prasun,
Sometimes back I saw a report that Barak-8 project is not progressing well. Do you have any update on that?
Prasun Da ,
HAL has issued an RFI for RTA's engine (to select a suitable propulsion system for the twin-engine aircraft).
According to you , which OEMs will apply ?
Thanks ,
Sujoy
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Thanks,
Sujoy
To DASHU:
http://www.firstpost.com/world/khobragade-row-why-she-didnt-tell-ny-cops-she-had-immunity-from-arrest-1318705.html
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/will-2014-place-isro-in-cryo-club/article5527391.ece?homepage=true
Dear Prasunda,
Happy New Year,
What is the difference between Su-30MKI and Super Su-30MKI? How does it rate against Su-35?
In addition, how much is the RCS of both these aircrafts?
Thanks
sir why indian media are so mad about kejriwal
24X7 coverage even for what he is wearing
is it a congress media management plan
to divert the focus from rahul vs modi to kejriwal vs modi
New Year Greetings to all.
@dushyant: Till now the leftist in the Media (standing from a moral high ground) had none to prop up against the right wing poster boy, Modi, who is an able administrator and tact politician. Now that they got one (still early days though), no wonder they're definitely going OTT with their coverage on Kejriwal.
Prasun why do u always try & justify china's aggression...whether its against the peaceful Tibetans, Japan, Vietnam, S E countries or ur own country India ( if u consider urself to be an Indian ) ???? Its ok if support China at heart bcoz there is no dearth of people like u in this country who are indian only by name. Plz stop suggesting what india needs to defend herself against China or Pakistan...Bcoz its someone else under the mask...A true Chinese sympathiser.
To Anon 5:05 I really don't know where that is coming from mate prasun is one of the more objective guys out there,much better than the other hysterical guys called defense correspondents.If you have a problem with Chinese bullying like the rest of us be angry at our useless diplomats and netas who save their outrage to protect one of their corrupt and exploitative own but are least interested when Chinese enter our territory or when pakis kill one of our men at LOC they just'register strong protest'.
ATTTT Annon 5:05 AM:
Its a very classic approach! If somebody tells the truth about our shabby state of affairs, we jump on them with the checklist for patriotism! Why???? What we lack as a country is a cohesive strategic planning. Worryingly our netas and military establishments do lack them to an greater extent. His FAULT is to let others know!. I don't see his views as that of support; rather i see it as a pragmatic one. Dude pls pls grow up (I mean no disrespect).
India needs to stand by Kejriwal. This is what all self respecting nations/people do. What the American did to her was not normal. Question is how often do they strip searching their own women for lying (if it is indeed true), where is the justification?
Something else is going on...question is what?
@raw13
No self respecting nation would stand by kejriwal and co. Soon the delhi corporation may declare itself bankrupt and start begging for a bailout. Any smart thinking individual could sense out where the policies projected by Kejriwal and co would do to an ill delhi corporation. AAP sensed that they would be wiped out in a re-election if they would have sticked to their original stand of not forming an alliance (Ultimately as all thought out they merged with corrupt congress, Now they became the protectors of 15 years congress scams. Poor Delhi citizens) with any party. Now they are boasting to contest in Lok sabha which in all probability will result in a huge disaster to kerji and congress and could well result in a boon to BJP.
prasun sir can u give analysis on lca vs j10 & lca vs jf17.who will win in real combat scenerio...
To SS: Your assessment is spot on. Do read this:
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/how-kejriwal-has-just-set-back-power-reforms-by-3-5-years-1320739.html
http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/northern-army-command-to-buy-over-980-mine-prodders-1321519.html?utm_source=fwire&utm_medium=hp
http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/nearing-deadline-speeds-up-work-at-arunachals-tezu-airport-1321399.html?utm_source=fwire&utm_medium=hp
@RAW13
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/a-multiclass-urban-party/article5530823.ece?homepage=true
Prasunda, You have stated that selex galileo 850E radar is on offer for HAL TEJAS Mk2.But, Selex Galileo is owned by Finmeccania of which another subsidiary Augusta Westland is now blacklisted by MoD.If this incident can hamper Vixen 850E's prospect to be selected? Thanks,Regards.
To RAD: Vixen 850e’s antenna is actually bigger than that of the Vixen 1000e. Astra Mk1 will morphe into the longer-range Astra Mk2 through the usage of higher energetic propellants. Source-codes will be provided by IAI/ELTA for integrating the Astra Mks1/2 with EL/M-2032 MMR, just as source-codes were provided for integrating the TARGO HMDS with the R-73E.
To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: The very same engine manufacturers that have supplied turbofans for regional airliners developed by Bombardier Aerospace, Embraer & AVIC, i.e. Rolls-Royce & GE Aero Engines.
To RAJEEV CHATURVEDI: VMT. That issue has been extensively covered in a thread on Super Su-30MKI uploaded in 2011, plus a recent thread on airborne EW suites. No definitive RCS data for such platforms has been revealed as yet.
To DUSHYANT: That’s because it is fashionable in India to deitify celebrities to ridiculous levels. It’s just like awarding honorary service ranks to cricketers despite such celebrities having no time at all for even visiting the cantonments/air bases hosting armed forces personnel.
To Anon@5.05PM: Your attitude & mindset reminds me of the cow/buffalo in rural India that’s used for grinding wheat into flour. Such animals always wear eye-patches so that they can keep their eyes wide open & at the same time don’t have a clue as to where they’re headed, because the piece of wood attached to their backs—the other end being attached to the grinding stone—ensures that the animal is condemned to undergoing a very limited circular journey without going into a tizzy! In your case too, you find it psychologically palatable to stick to either what has been spoon-fed to you or what you were forced to cram during your school-going days, & you are consequently far too scared to navigate into uncharted territory. While this may suite you & several other hundred million Indian citizens just fine, in reality there are another few hundred million discerning Indian citizens plus another 6 billion humans residing outside India that refuse to adopt your oversimplistic perception/interpretation of the reality. And as per your suggestion I’ll stop preaching you about what needs to be done to defend India against China & Pakistan, provided you explain exactly how India can defend herself against the likes of Maldives, Bangladesh & Sri Lanka, because it seems that not all the Agnis, Arihants, Chakras & Vikramadityas have been able to: 1) deter Maldives from delivering injustice to GMR, 2) deter Bangladesh from taking India to the ICJ for maritime boundary dispute resolution, & 3) deter Sri Lanka from killing Indian fishermen & even as of now there are more than 250 Indian fishermen rotting in Sri Lankan prisons.
To VIKRANT & KARIKALAN: VMT. For the likes of Anon@5.05PM, ignorance is bliss, period. His predicament reminds me of the self-serving memoir of B K Nehru, Indian Ambassador to the US in the early 1960s. In the autobiography, titled ‘Nice Guts Finish Second’, he recalls President JFK’s reaction to India’s military liberation of Goa in a harmless, mocking & witty language: I went to the President to give him India’s point of view. When I said that I hoped he was not annoyed with us, like the rest of the US seemed to be, JFK said: “Not at all, I am not in the least bit annoyed because I understand your case. You have done what you should have done 14 years in preaching morality to us, telling us how wrong it was to use force in one’s own interest. Now you have done what exactly any other country would have done and used violence to further your interests. The result is that my country is saying that the minister (preacher) has been caught coming out of the brothel and people are clapping. And Mr Ambassador, I wish to tell you that I too am clapping with them.”
In reality, JFK was miffed not about India exercising the military option against the Portuguese in Goa, but because Pandit Nehru had not discussed the issue of Goa with JFK when the two had met in Washington DC in November 1961, this despite the fact that JFK had made it more than obvious previously that he wished to have a special relationship with India.
To ASHIJAIN: That depends on what your definition of ‘real combat scenario’ is.
To UJJWAL: Who has ever said anything about blacklisting any OEM? The MoD’s statement makes no mention of any blacklisting. Instead, the MoD has unilaterally terminated the Euro 556 million contract with AgustaWestland for supplying 12 AW-101 VVIP transportation helicopters due what the MoD claims is “breach of the Pre-contract Integrity Pact (PCIP) and the Agreement by AgustaWestland”. What this means is that the IAF will retain the three AW-101 helicopters that have already been delivered & payment for these will be adjusted from the progress payments India has already made to AgustaWestland, which works out to 45% of contract value. Thus, the IAF will now have only three AW-101s to ferry VVIPs, instead of the 12. Cancelling the contract would have required the MoD to return the three AW-101s and encash AgustaWestland’s bank guarantee for the full amount paid, something that cannot be done for as long as the arbitration process goes on as per international law. And despite RM A K ‘Saint’ Antony’s declaration on November 26, 2013 that the GoI would not accept arbitration, the mere fact that the MoD has already nominated Hon’ble Justice B P Jeevan Reddy as its arbitrator means that 1) the earlier-held view of the GoI that integrity-related issues are not subject to arbitration was wrong & legally untenable, & 2) the MoD is now condemned to eating the humble pie & making it the world’s laughing stock. Consequently, it now appears that the MoD is now a totally unmanageable institution & the Hon RM has totally failed in discharging his duties as per the oath of office he took when becoming the RM. The only consolation is that the country’s VVIP netas will still get to fly on board the 3 AW-101s & all that now remains to be done is to formally induct them into service ASAP at Palam without any fanfare.
To Ni8 DWELLER: At the rate in which former senior civil servants are joining the BJP, & given the near-total unmanageable state of various Union Ministries at the Centre (as they’re all devoted to only crisis management nowadays), more & more discerning observers in Delhi are convinced that NDA-2 may well get a decent majority in the next general elections.
Excellent documentary on how the Kursk SSGN was salvaged by a joint Dutch-Norwegian team:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBN-_wycP88
Excellent documentary in Marathi on the 1962 Sino-Indian war that shows the tyranny of the terrain, the various war memorials within Arunachal Pradesh & the pathetic state of road infrastructure there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OHwSZSwesA
The Government seems to believe that it can retain the 3 helicopters and encash the bank guarantee as well as per this article in DNA
www.dnaindia.com/india/report-govt-to-encash-agusta-s-rs-3000cr
Sorry, the correct link posted below regarding the government's intention as well as penalise them.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-govt-to-encash-agusta-s-rs-3000cr-bank-guarantee-1944584
Sir,
1)You really think that BJP is coming to power they'll be much better than UPA but where are Their allies?
2)What are the various options we get via a mountain strike corps,as far as i think only a limited thrust via chumbi valley?
3)What is the status of p-17a frigates?
4)Why can;t our diplomats actually stand up for our nations interests
leave pakand china they are bullied by SL and bangladesh?What should be done to leverage our geographical advantages?
Prasun Da, seems new twist to Ex-Justice, Ganguly's case:
http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/mohun-bagan-used-female-intern-to-frame-justice-ak-ganguly-says-pil_901386.html
Prasun Da, in light of the execution of Jang Song Thaek, uncle of Kim Jong Un,is it right to assume that present leader of DPRK from Kim Il Sung Dynasty, , as well as his type of continuous warmongering becoming a nuisance or headache for both PRC & the USA ? What can be the solution, will unification of both the Korea's remain elusive ever ?
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/201312/news13/20131213-05ee.html
hI Prasun
Pse explain the diff between the selex 1000 and the selex 850 aesa radar we have chosen .
Why have we chosen the selex aesa radar and not the Israeli 2052 radar?. Will they allow us to integrate Israeli systems on a non Israeli radar ie liteinig pod, LGB,Jammers, Missiles and NG cockpit etc?. Isnt there a great risk of being blackmailed?.
Is there any other way to wisely spend 800 crore that we are going to spend on each rafale?.
Is there any proposal to get the EADS alarm anti radar missile for the jaguar.
Dear Prasun,
India can build MRCA. Why then DRDO is shying away from developing a good UAV??? What is the status of Rustom MALE UAV??? Is it comparable to other UAVs developed by USA and Israel??? Plz. describe.
@Prasunda
While you have avoided talking about the hypocrisy prevalent in the media today and their unabashed penchant for spreading propaganda against anyone who stands up against the established order of Nehru. I suggest to you and all to read the following:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/usual-suspects/modi-must-give-india-the-change-it-wants.html
Would very much appreciate your views on this.
Finally ISRO did it
Dear Prasoon
When India is going to come out of sisth nation syndrome?
Gourav
@Prasun da
to @DEFENSE & AEROSPACE: you said 'Logically, the V-22 Osprey, not the CH-47E, is the perfect answer to address the IA’s shortcomings in high-altitude air-maintenance.'
looks like my jyotish/logic vidya is slightly rubbing on you :-) LOLZ
if you remember sometime back i did say that India should go for V22s. then you had said India does not need them.
btw a few querry
1. do you see the Shia Sunni crescent to clash
2.even if INS Arihant is deployed Indias nuke policy is to keep nuke warheads separate from missiles at all times, but that a impossibility in a SSBN equipped with SLBM,how do you think IN will solve the problem
3. Some reports say the 40 Su30mki that will be modified to carry air brahmos and Nirbhay later will actually be the 3rd air wing of nuke traid with the 40 managed by SFC, is that possible
thanks
Joydeep Ghosh
Dear Prasun,
Congratulations to ISRO for flaw-less GSLV-D5 launch and successful development of Indigenous Cryogenic Engine after 20 years of errors and trails. The great thing with ISRO is that they learn from failures and carry on with redoubled zeal.
Hope GSLV-Mk3 will make its first flight in a couple years.
Finally some action on the procurement front...........6 C-130J's, 15+ Herons (+ upgrade of @40 existing Heron's)......
What other deals do you expect will close before 31/3/14 or Election time ?? Grapevine says that the Chinook deal is totally done/ready (CNC/Offsets etc)...as is the Apache deal ................
Hi again,
Read an article in TOI last week that the Saint said he will review the LPH procurement and see if the Cochin Shipyard could bid !!! (sounds like a repeat of the Avro replacement and HAL to be included.....)
Just see the way the number of Contracts signed have gone down in the last 4 years (138+ in 2008-9 to 51 in 2012 !!)
Finally, a number of blogs/sites are talking about what you have been 'crying' about for the last 2 years.
Look at the mess at MDL (forget GRSE)........Last 'Launch' was the INS Chennai in 2010 ...........that means the Keel laying/Steel cutting of NO large Ship has taken place since much earlier !! ...........now the next large vessels for which Steel cutting etc will start will be the P-17A's and P-15B's (for which designs are still to be frozen) only by 2015......that is gap of over 6+ years !!.......so No new large ship out of MDL till 2017-18 !!!!
And, apart from this long gap......look at the massive delays in 'commissioning' of INS Kolkata (2014); Kochi (2015) and Chennai (2016)......and the next 'commissioning' of a MDL built Vessel will be 2019-20 ?????
And, the less said about GRSE the better........the only orders they presently are executing are the long delayed P-28's.......Kamotra (Laid- 2006/Launch-2010/Commissioning hopefully early 2014 ??; Kadmatt - Laid-2007/Launch-2011/Commission- end 2015; Kiltan - Laid 2010/Launch- 2013/Commission- end 2016; Kavaratti - Laid 2012/Launch 2015/Commission 2017).....that means No 'Laying' of any new large vessel since Jan 2012 (Kavaratti).......and the next would be only the 3 P-17A's some time in 2015.........
What a mess.......and the Saint says '5 new ships every year for the next 5 years'....I presume he includes the smaller Offshore Patrol and Inshore vessels...
and, Scorpene's now delayed yet again till mid 2016........
Is no one Accountable ??
To DHRUV: The writer of that news-report is obviously unaware of the procedures adopted for arbitration. Whenever an arbitration process is initiated, the bank guarantees remain frozen & are untouchable as per the law.
To VIKRANT: 1) Hopefully. There’s no dearth of allies. Allies will always flock to the victor, whereas the defeated is always an orphan. 2) That’s the option option. 3) Because India has since 1947 been suffering from the condition known as ‘diplomatic fatigue’, meaning no stomach to slug it out for the long-haul.
To RAD: Vixen 850e’s antenna aperture is greater than that of Vixen 1000e. But so far, no AESA-MMR has been selected for Tejas Mk2, since the DRDO has sold the dream of developing a homegrown AESA-MMR by 2018 to the MoD & the latter has foolishly bought this dream. Rafale’s per-unit acquisition cost can always be significantly reduced by procuring it off-the-shelf from Dassault Aviation & using the money saved to invest in state-of-the-art production facilities for the Tejas Mk1, Tejas Mk2, HAL-developed LUH, HAL-developed LCH, & initiating the development of its projected LAH variant. Jaguar IS doesn’t require ALARM, since it will always be escorted by Kh-31P-equipped MiG-29UPGs or Su-30MKIs, or ALAM-equipped Mirage 2000UPGs or Rafales.
SIOUBHAGYA: No one is shying away from anything of the kind. It takes a long time to taste the fruits of homegrown R & D in India due to various reasons, such as financial constraints, skilled human resource constraints, as well as project mismanagement.
To ABS: It does appear with every passing day that the BJP has learnt well from the NDA-1’s defeat in 2004 & is now more than willing to start anew with realism, especially on the economic front. For instance, do read this:
http://www.firstpost.com/economy/go-ahead-mr-modi-heres-the-case-for-abolishing-income-tax-1324061.html
To DASHU: It does take a long time to taste the fruits of homegrown R & D in India due to various reasons, but for as long as there’s persistence & patience without resorting to illusory deadlines (like the MoD nowadays likes to), the end-result is always sweet. Sabar ka phal akhil mein meetha hi hots hai.
To JOYDEEP GHOSH: Trust me when I say that the V-22 Osprey still remains out-of-bounds for India due to its steep acquisition cost. 1) It already has, in Iraq & Syria. 2) There’s no other choice but to solve it. That’s why by January 26, some announcement is expected to be made about the post of CDS. 3) Totally wrong.
To SNTATA: Let’s hope the MoD can learn some lessons from ISRO in terms of project/rick management.
To RAMAN: CH-47F deal & LW-155 deal is ready for signing. P-15B DDG’s gull fabrication began exactly a year ago. The mess in the shipbuilding sector is attributed directly to the MoD’s mismanagement at the decision-making level. For instance, during M M Palam Raju’s time as Minister of State for Defence, it was foolishly propagated by the MoD that Vizag-based HSL teamed with a private-sector shipyard will get to build two of the four LPHs. Now, if such a decision has already been made by the MoD, then why this charade of asking multiple Indian shipyards to submit bids for the LPH production programme? Logically, CSL should have been selected to build the two LPHs. But since the MoD decided to award this contract to a combination of public-sector & private-sector shipyards, the most logical choice is the HSL/L & T combine since the LPH fabrication effort will involve modular construction, with HSL probably being involved in fabricating the modules & then shipping them off by barge down south to L & T’s Kattupalli-based shipyard in Tamil Nadu. Neither CSL nor GRSE has so far announced corporate tie-ups with any private-sector shipyard. The only existing corporate tie-up that now exists is between MDL & Pipavav. Logically, therefore, what ought to happen is that the alliance of Pipavav & MDL should be awarded the contract for building the five replenishment tankers, while CSL should build the two LPHs, while L & T should be allowed to buy over the loss-making HSL & this single corporate entity should be awarded the contract to build both the S-5/S-6/S-7 SSBNs as well as the projected nine SSNs. GSL on the other hand should specialise in supplying AOPVs & GRP-hulled MCMVs for the ICGS & IN, while GRSE should be awarded the contract for the 16 shallow-water ASW vessels. MDL can continue to fabricate the P-15B DDGs, P-17A FFGs & the Scorpenes. Production-delays occur at DPSU shipyards solely due to the MoD’s mismanagement. Consequently, the unionised workforce does serious work only after their designated working hours in order to claim overtime & the end-result is that a home-grown DDG whose acquisition cost should not be more than Rs.7,000 crores, end up costing Rs.15,000 crores. The ineptitude of ‘naatakarans’ like A K ‘Saint’ Antony therefore reminds me of a person once upon a time who was seen undertaking a journey while seated on his donkey. When asked by his neighbours where he was headed for, the person’s reply was that he was venturing out in search of his lost donkey!
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/201312/news13/20131213-05ee.html
Prasun Da, in light of the execution of Jang Song Thaek, uncle of Kim Jong Un,is it right to assume that present leader of DPRK from Kim Il Sung Dynasty, , as well as his type of continuous warmongering becoming a nuisance or headache for both PRC & the USA ? What can be the solution, will unification of both the Korea's remain elusive ever ?
Kindly share your views ?
Hey Prasun da,how are you??
By the way,here is something for every one here to look at:
http://defence.pk/threads/advanced-medium-combat-aircraft-by-2018.294361/page-3#post-5119358
I know Prasun da that you have a busy time schedule,but still I request you to take a look at the replies too and not just the original post.Are we Indians that much gullible and easy to fool??I mean,after reading the comments it occured to me that almost noone there is ready to apply some logic and common sence!
Seems like common sence is not so common a comodity after all-what do ya say??
Prasun Da ,
Director General (Aeronautical Systems) DRDO says that Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft is expected to be ready in 2018 .
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Advanced-Medium-Combat-Aircraft-by-2018/2014/01/07/article1987224.ece
If this is true then what is the need for the LCA MK2 and the FGFA ?
I suspect just another outrageous observation that DRDO regularly makes .
Thank You
Vikram
@Prasunda
While the idea is highly welcome the Congress seems to be already raising voices against it. What bothers me is how the states would be getting their share of taxes through this? Given the fact that states like Bihar would be massively unbanked. Though if the GoI could ensure full finanacial inclusion within a decade then the disputes could be done away with if the Centre introduces the Sarkaria Commission recommendations as well as the recommendations on centre-state finances distribution.
Do visit this: 5forty3.wordpress.com
The author of the blog is an expert psephologist and he goes on to say that BJP is well on its way to cross 200 mark, while being very strong contenders in atleast 257 seats.
I think with your best wishes the GSLV, Tejas and Vikramaditya have at last started going on smoothly for fitting in to the grooves. I hope they are forced to accept the LIFT any day.
Good morning Prasun Da,
Its been quite some time , I had posted a Q to you. Firstly have a great year ahead
1. How matue is Cryo Engine of GSLV now that we have a success
2. LCA Tejas now (MK1) can it replace aging MIG fleets and any other soveit era fighter like mig 27, and Jag's?
Thanks for your quick/clear reply.....
Let's hope for the Best......LW-155 Deal ?? look at the extra cost (up from $650 million to @$850 million) because of the delay from 15/10/2013.......who is responsible for the wasted money ??.....
Like I said before..........is no one accountable ??
View this Video which shows 30min documentary about INS Vikramaditya " http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L2VUX2I0Wc8 "
share about your views
@anurag,
what people say on gossip and timepass sites such as defencepk do not represent indian professionals and official thinking.
most of those people there are very young and some others do not lack full knowledge, and ability to comprehend things.
leave them as such.
Hi..........any khabbar on the US-2i Deal ???? Flight says ki now Indians invited to visit Japan and joyride/test the US2 there......
HI Prasun
Avinash chander is saying that they are in a partnership with a private firm to make 155mm guns which would be better than the bofors . which is company what type of gun are they trying out. He is also quoted as saying the the radar of the awacs is a phased array radar but not AESA????!!!. What is the scene regarding the awacs , have they hit a road block??.
Hello sir,
There is now a talk that India is going for an "interim MMRCA decision", wherein only the 18 Rafales meant to be built in France by Dassault Aviation will be paid for by the present government.
While the remaining 108 aircraft will have to be negotiated for by the new government after the elections.
Is the deal really going this way? What do your sources tell you? Do kindly inform us.
Thanks in advance,
Gessler
orey gesler.
telsukuni em peekutav raaa pichanaakodaka
@Anon 6:17AM
Nenu em peekithe neekendhukura kojjanakodaka?
Sir, in about 2011, I came to know (via your blog) that US hasn't kept its word by denying ENR technologies, as agreed to in 123 agreement. Then the govt. decided to throw out US contenders from MMRCA contract.
The status quo' is not changed yet, so why these offers such as the one with Javelin warheads are being considered, after all US again stabbed in the back of India, by fooling India to open up its reactors to IAEA and still denying India enrichment tech. thus rolling back India's fissile enrichment programme.
Has the govt. done anything to remedy this strategic blunder (created due to chickenheads of the govt. not involving experts on the negotiations table), means again India will have to develop it by itself....
Waiting too eagerly for your reply.....
SIDDHARTH
Sir, what is the status of FBTR, does the govt. seems serious about developing nuclear technologies indegeneously, cuz its the only way to develop. Like recently ISRO got India an honour.
2) Sir, what's the policy of India towards this recent Japan-PRC spit of ADIZ. Wouldn't it be wise to keep away from both espacially Japan as it could be possible that Japan might be acting on US tip-off to again befool India against China. Moreover it seems by attitude of leaders of China that they are more than eager to solve mutual disputes, what is your take, you are the only source of my answers.
Many many thanks for your past enlightenment to us all.
SIDDHARTH
Respected sir,
This is with reference to your article "Where the ROK was right and where India went wrong". The article was quite an eye opener and i was eagerly looking forward to the concluding part. However, there doesn't seem to be any concluding part yet, and if there was i seem to have missed it. Could you post the concluding part in the coming few days and if it's already posted somewhere could you post the link?
Thank You
Dear Prasun,
How will you rate INSAS rifle with AK family series and M16 rifle? Has the DRDO developed MSMC been accepted by army? What is the status of Rustom UAV??? Plz. tell me.
Hi Prasun
In your view what will be the best way to take out pak awacs, there are cocky statements coming that they are unbeatable due to that.
Dear Prasun,
Till date has there been any rethinking by IAF or HAL/ADA on converting Tejas tandem seat trainer into LIFT configuration?
To Gessler and Anonymous 6-17 AM:
Hey you guys, you aught to be careful with your language [even if it is in Telugu] How I wish I can administer a hefty kick at the dirty mouth of Anonymous 6-17 AM, if only he has the guts to show his real identity! Not that I have not enjoyed Gessler's befitting reply. It was hilarious!
@SNTATA - Hee hee thanks sir ! That guy Anon 6:17 is bonkers. Most probably a stalker.
@Prasun sir
Prasun sir take a look at this .gif image captured near the surface of the sun : -
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/awr3DB4_460sa.gif
It's very strange. It looks like a planet is drawing something from the sun and then quickly zooming away at truly the speed of light.
Can you explain what this could be? Is it even real? It seems to be from the year 2012.
Prasun da,
Hi, just wanted to add another bit. Observe the date monitered on that .gif image. This process had lasted some 4 earth days.
Dear Prasunda,
Indian deals for Sukhoi are as follows:
1996 - $1.55 - 1.8 billion deal - 18 Su-30MK + 22Su-30MKI
1998 - 10 Su-30MKI
2001 - 140 Su-30 MKI $3.5 to 5.5 billion deal
2007 - 18 Su-30MKI exchange for Su-30MK
2007 - 40 $1.5 billion deal, 20 assembled from kit
2012 - 42 Su-30MKI $1.6 billion
Then, what makes you argue that the number of Su-30 MKIs are more than 300?
In addition, how much difference is there between Super Su-30 MKI and Su-35?
Thanks
Sir can u compare jf 17 and j 10 vs lca
And j 11b vs su 30mki
Which one is better in these two comparison...
Prasun Da ,
No news for long , hope you are in the best of health .
Just found something downright ugly.
Alicia Muller May and Wayne May, the US diplomats expelled from India were not shy of making racist remarks about India and Indians on their Facebook pages, which have now been shut, but not before those remarks were captured
According to this bitch May her dogs are better fed than Indians .
http://duckduckduckdoge.tumblr.com/
Thanks,
Sujoy
Sujoy I know the know all attitude and arrogance of the mainly English speaking people. But truth be told - in-equal wealth distribution, lack of health and welfare and educational infrastructure are very blatant for all to see for such an aspiring superpower. My mother died last Friday from an infection from a seemingly innocuous surgery. My sisters poured thousands of rupees and ran from clinic to clinic in Kolkata because public hospitals refused to take my critically ill mother and even if they did everyone knew the care and attention would have been next to nothing. The original clinic that caused the infection due to negligence can't be touched because nothing can be proven. In the UK or Australia or NZ and Canada (USA excluded)no one is refused treatment in their public hospitals and certainly the level of care and treatment are beyond comparison. My sisters could not preserve the body because they didn't have the money and I missed out seeing my dead mother as she had to be cremated as soon as they took her out of the hospital. I can't get to India because I have to get a visa and by the time that is organised and air ticket purchased even the funeral is finished. Mind you, even though we are not rich we are not paupers either and even then we could not keep up with the expenses and avoid this humiliation. I hate to think if we were paupers! Which other western country treats its citizens this badly? Why my mother, think of the hundreds of soldiers who are killed in peace time due to dodgy equipment, poor maintenance, lack of appropriate protective clothing...just to name a few. Even their sacrifice is forgotten and till date the government of India has not spent a dime to uphold their memory. Truth hurts but like Prasun said before no good being patriotic and get inflamed when the reality is there for all to see. Don't forget Prasun it is not just St Antony sitting on his donkey - the entire nation is sitting on its ass with fingers safely tucked in waiting to see what happens!
Pierre Zorin ,
It seems that I have touched by accident a part of your life that one ideally tries to forget . I am sorry , that wasn't my intention.
I know that health care in India and especially Calcutta is abysmal . A close cousin of mine lost his dad after the doctors cut open his
Liver while operating for an appendix.
I agree with the points you make and am also moved in equal proportion reading about your ordeal . In a country where life is cheap
what more can be expected.
Re the US , this is what I can tell you .
According to the Russell Sage Foundation, an independent research institute Currently there are more than 50 million Americans
facing hunger daily. Many of them starve to death, and local coroners routinely list their deaths as “natural causes”. The US has
literally thrown these millions on the street.
40 per cent of American workers in apparel, textile and repair services are paid less than the minimum wage. Worse, 41 per cent of
minimum wage violations in the US are against maids and housekeepers.
Not only is there a vested interest in keeping wages low, but because the vast majority affected by these slave wages belong to
Hispanic and black communities, there is no tearing hurry to enact fair laws. Racial discrimination is thus one of the main causes of
low wages in the US.
I shared this link on Prasun Da's blog is because I found her words offending . She takes the picture of a dog beside
an Indian and says the dog is bigger (than the India) coz it receives better food than the Indian .
Once again I am very sorry about your loss . Your thoughts are my thoughts , your prayers are my prayers .
Best Regards,
Sujoy
I Hope you are healthy and well .
@Peirre Zorin,
I feel very sorry and sad for what had happened to you and to your family. I pray the God to give you and your family much needed peace.
I live in UK and we have NHS, a public free health service. You may check for NHS news in google. NHS is free for anyone in UK but some of the aspects are heart wrenching even here.
The very reason why Indian Govt Hospitals deny treating very serious patients is they SIMPLY CAN NOT TREAT. They do not have resources unless those hospitals are very famous such as AIIMS, NIMS, etc etc. Ofcourse most of the hospitals deny for taking poor that is another matter, in this specific case.
West Bengal, UP, Bihar are some of the worst kind of states in India on most parameters.
Yes we in India have serious social disorders and apathy towards the suffering. Change should come from public if not being driven from Govt.
Just an update to my previous one:
This is just today's news and this kind of NHS news is very common now a days as a daily news item.
Check for Midstaffs NHS Scandal.
Its very common in NHS hospitals to die of thirst and hunger and non-attendance.
Even in some instances duty staff do not report when a patient dies because they just want to finish their shift and want to go home. They update dead patient status as normal regular SLEEP in log book/patient records.
The normal and standard waiting times in NHS Accident and Emergency wards is 4 hrs.
The most deaths happen in NHS due to poor assessment of patient's health.
GPs very often fail to recognise a disease here.
In contrast in Indian hospitals the lack of ethics is a serious concern. GPs enroll in govt hospitals and channel patients to their private clinics and do not attend their duties and do not travel to villages yet they receive salaries. I can list a host of mal-practices.
Hope one day we see a brighter India.
should have added this link to my earlier one.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538742/Boy-four-died-hospital-badly-neglected-suck-moisture-wet-wipes-rehydrate-despite-mothers-pleas.html
to Pierre Zorin
Please accept my heart felt condolences. I do understand the rage in you of loosing a loved one due to negligence. India has been turned in to this state by our politicians.Where being poor is a virtue so that reservation takes place,and you get freebies for not working and going on strike, not working and un accountability ,is a virtue in places like calcutta due to communism.
My sympathies with you .
Prasun sir...
With the rafale being delayed....doesnt it negate the whole point of doing mmrca.....which was to counter the delay in tejas....
I mean tejas mk2 will be ready by 2018-19.....so why not wait for mk2 when it is so close to completion....and go all the way in....use the money for mmrca to make mk2 more potent and clear the deficiencies.... And make mk2 in real good numbers.....
To ANURAG & VIKRAM GUHA: In this case, I’m sure the ‘desi’ news-reporter got it all wrong & confused the Tejas Mk2 MRCA with the AMCA. Shit happens!
To ABS: Most of your apprehensions have been addressed by the following two posts:
http://www.firstpost.com/economy/abolishing-income-tax-why-tax-gdp-ratio-must-come-down-as-we-grow-1326477.html
http://www.firstpost.com/blogs/abolition-of-income-tax-will-increase-transparency-1324383.html
Also, do go through these two seminal presentations/interviews that you will find particularly illuminating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO3pYzRsthc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24C08LdnjxE
To Mr.RA 13: I would certainly hope so. VMT.
To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOCOPY & TRAVEL: VMT. 1) The success of the indigenous cryogenic engine indeed is a gamechanger for India & represents attainment of core technological competency in an extremely critical area. It will consequently enable ISRO to launch far more heavier payloads into varying orbital slots that was previously impossible. 2) Tejas Mk1 MRCA will definitely be able to replace the MiG-21Ms, MiG-21bis & MiG-21 Bisons. But not the Jaguar IS or MiG-27UPGs.
To RAMAN: What kind of accountability is one talking about? And from whom? For most politicians in India, patriotism & nationalism has at best a five-year shelf-life. They’re not bothered about what happens a decade from now. And worst of all, when the executive branch of the Govt of India itself becomes incapacitated, how can anyone expect the country to forge ahead? It’s all brilliantly explained here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO3pYzRsthc
Talking about accountability, do you know that HAL takes 11 months to overhaul a Garrett TPE331 turboprop engine? My own MRO facility does the same job in a mere 45 days!
To Anon@1.25PM: VMT for sharing the video. It is an excellent presentation & rightly depicts & documents a marine engineering marvel of Russia’s shipbuilding industry. However, sadly at the same time, it is a sad commentary on the Indian Navy & India’s own shipbuilding might since the INS Vikramaditya will, by 2020, sail side-by-side with the Project 71/IAC-1/INS Vikrant—an aircraft carrier that is a full generation ahead of INS Vikramaditya in every sense of the term. I personally would have liked to see in the previous decade itself the Govt of India overruling the ‘imported’ INS Vikramaditya solution in favour of procuring two indigenously designed & fabricated Project 71 aircraft carriers, albeit with select Russian technological inputs like deck-landing aids, MiG-29Ks & Ka-31s. Opting for this option would have seen India’s shipyards & steel manufacturers being entrusted with greater responsibilities & acquiring newer skills & technologies, creation of far more value-added jobs & businesses in-country, & the IN being saddled with far less logistical & product-support challenges.
To RAD: Private-sector will be involved for forging & fabricating the gun-barrels, as well as several other ancillary components, hydraulic fluids & lubricants, as well as BMCS. Pakistan’s AEW & CS platforms (Saab 2000 & ZDK-03) are all located at air bases that are easily within range of NLOS-BSMs like BrahMos-1 Block-2/3 & Prithvi-3 & consequently, once such air bases are rendered inoperable, these AEW & CS platforms will cease to be airworthy.
To GESSLER & ANUP & GUNNER: That original breakdown of importing the first 18 M-MRCAs was conceived in 2007 & was meant to be implemented by 2010. Therefore, that model is no longer relevant. Word from Delhi is that now, due to urgent operational reqmts, the first 36 single-seat Rafales & four tandem-seat Rafales will be imported off-the-shelf ASAP, with contract signature taking place this March. However, I would go a step further & say that the MoD should have by now already placed orders for a Rafale full-flight simulator & at least two cockpit procedures trainers from THALES (which in any case take two years to be delivered). Had this happened, then by the time the first 40 Rafales start arriving in India, there will already exist the first batch of IAF pilots that are already well-conversant with the Rafale’s flight profiles/characteristics. It is indeed sad to see that the MoD has not thought along these lines, leading to sheer wastage of time.
To SIDDHARTH: WRT imported ENR technologies, it was decided that since imported fuel would be used for IAEA-safeguarded nuclear reactors, it made no economic sense to import ENR technologies/facilities. I would therefore be much better if all fissile material leftovers from the imported fuel were shipped back abroad to the fuel suppliers for reprocessing. That’s why the DAE has developed indigenous reprocessing techniques/facilities for only those fissile materials that will be obtained from PHWRs & PWRs that are not safeguarded by the IAEA & such fissile materials will in turn be used for both strategic weapons programmes as well as for the bulk of the fast-breeder reactors that are expected to be placed under IAEA safeguards in future.
To SOUBHAGYA: INSAS family of SLRs has evolved over the past 2 decades & are on par with the best, no doubt about that. MSMC is not meant for the armed forces, but for the CAPFs & first orders will be placed later this year.
To SNTATA: There’s no need to ‘convert’ the tandem-seat Tejas Mk1 MRCA into a LIFT as such. No physical structural modifications reqd at all. Rather, what needs to be done is to ‘reconfigure’ the display symbology of the AMLCDs to mimmick the cockpit environment of the Su-30MKI, this being a mere software modification that can be done within 6 months.
To RAJ: I never argue about facts & figures that exist in black-and-white in contract documents. As for Super Su-30MKI versus Su-35, pros & cons were discussed in great detail in previous threads in 2013.
To ASHIJAIN: Like I stated before, any such detailed & credible comparison can only be done by professional institutions like TACDE.
To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: That’s not surprising at all, since anyone hailing from an underpopulated & developed country will have similar impressions/perceptions about an overpopulated & refusing-to-develop country. No need therefore to get emotionally wound-up about such remarks, for they do represent to a large extent the truth, which is ugly & bitter & hurts a lot.
To PIERRE ZORIN: My heartfelt condolences for your personal loss.
To DASHU & REDDY: Do watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO3pYzRsthc
@ PIERRE ZORIN
Please accept my deep condolences for the your loss.
Dear Prasunda,
I am not arguing about the number of Indian Su-30MKIs.Just want to know how many are we going to have it? I need to refer it in one study and as you understand, I would need some references. The figure of 272 I gave earlier was from SIPRI so quite credible.
Please explain.
Prasun sir, would you please comment on:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/arming-india-into-dependency/article5574316.ece?homepage=true
Thanks!
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/uk-docs-on-op-bluestar-time-for-probe-indira-gandhis-role-1338879.html
Prasun Da , w.r. to your above mentioned link and this one below,
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-uk-to-investigate-possible-sas-role-in-indian-golden-temple-attack-1950949
Is it a fact ? did it really happen that at the very height of cold war era and aftermath invasion of Afghanistan by Red Army, a member country or close ally of American block, intended to co-operate with India (though we were in NAM) ?
Pierre Zorin, My heart felt condolence for your loss.
Prasun Da,
http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/bjp-attacks-kejriwal-for-defending-somnath-bharti-114011401014_1.html
----I think AAP is facing chin music.
To RAJ: As of August 2007 the projected total fleet size of Su-30-MKIs as officially enunciated by Alexei Fedorov during the MAKS 2007 was 350 units. This number was quoted in several of the show dailies published during the expo. As for alternative figures quoted by SIPRI or IISS or JANE’s, I personally have never held them to be credible since most if not all of the contents of their respective databases are not derived from either OEMs or from the end-users.
To L RAJA: The only deserving comment is that beggars can’t be choosers. And it’s not just limited to the US or Russia. Dependency on Israel is also quite high.
To PINTU: Of course it is a fact. The released documents clearly prove it. But only the SAS’s advice was sought & there was no other involvement, since even the SAS at that time did not have the expertise reqd for storming as sprawling built-up structure as the Golden Temple & its surrounding buildings. In the end, it was the IA alone that had to devise the plans for storming the structures. There were several other instances where SAS & SBS personnel had been to India, especially immediately prior to the official visits of Prince Charles to places like the NDA in Khadakvasla & the HQ Western Naval Command. In fact, during Prince Charles’ visit to the latter, one SBS frogman was ‘discovered’ by the IN to be lingering close to the propellers of one of the newly-arrived Kashin 2-class DDG in Mumbai. That incident was hushed up & the excuse given by 10 Downing Street then was that these SAS/SBS personnel were part of Prince Charles’ personal security detail.
@Pierre
May god bless her soul and give you peace.
These types of things only people who think or experience it first hand get...the value of human life and to be allowed to live it with some honor and dignity...you already had this.
I believe it is for this reason that AAP is doing well and i hope and pray that we get a similar party in pakistan too (PTI comes close). The simple reason is we need an alternative to the so called "royal families" and the greedy, bigoted fucks!!! If you look at the status of the subcontinent from 1950s to now, the general standard on misery, corruption, rich-poor gap has only increased. The upward mobility is practically non-existent. You see the hopelessness in the faces of people everywhere.
Dear Prasun,
Here is an interesting piece of news item that NATO wants to cooperate with India in ABM field.
"http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/09/nato-offers-missile-defence-cooperation.html
I think it is it of great significance to India's defence requirements.
Many thanks folks for your sympathy and kind words. Sujoy I wasn't mad at you just pointed out that like Prasun said RTD status of India allows other countries to make fun. That is why I had US excluded because in many ways USA and India share a very similar culture - billions of dollars in military spending nothing for the poor and no welfare or healthcare. You either are filthy rich or die in a ditch.
Prasunda,
With AAP coming to power it has subsidized electricity,water & will allow more freebies & subsidies before LS elections just like any other regional parties. This trend will similarly adopted by all parties & clearly bankrupt the exchequer. Also talks about abolishing income tax is totally a fuss which no party will do even if they r having absolute majority since they will not provide freebies from their party funds. As usual the defence budget will get sacrificed for supporting the 'civilian requirements'. Thus tough days ahead for military modernisation.
The main issue for AAP was to first search the corrupt leaders & officials. But still no action has been seen against big fishes except for transfering few logical thinking officials.
Hello
Nice video/Arun Shorie does seem to speak straight from the heart.....
Heartening to hear about the 36+4 Rafales by March 2014........let's hope it happens.........
Two thoughts:
(a) With 40 Rafales direct buy-out...will 108 still be "produced" (assembled) by HAL in India ??
(b) Would it be better to get more than 4 Tandem Seat Rafales (say 8 -10)/ reduce the number of Single set Rafales accordingly......so Training/Conversions is faster ??
Good idea about the Simulators/Trainers...makes sense really.
Also, read somewhere (India Today ??) that a 2000 Cr order for 384 MBDA ASRAAM for the Upgraded Jaguars is 'hot' and may happen in the near future ?????
Hi Prasun
Please explain the salient details of the brahmos block -3 version.Is more of software or some thing else.How accurate is the prithvi-3
wiki says it is not accurate like the brahmos?
The Modern submachine gun i s for the paramilitary forces only ,is it because it does meet the standards of the army ? i really wonder how a 2nd world war sten gun is suitable still .
About taking out the pak awacs, they can do the same with their cruise missiles and nlos misiles how do we counter that?.
whats the latest on our own awacs?.
To PIERRE ZORIN,
Mate heartfelt condolences for your loss and reading about the incident makes one hang his head in shame,utterly tragic and infuriating.
Prasun sir,
I really hope that he boffins in IAF and DRDO get LCA on track and not indulge in IOC-2 like drama.As for the MoD and our 'honest' Antonyji the less we say the better.
1)Has india been able to use the gurjars and paharis in J&K as Pro india militia and how often has that happened?
2)Also,can Praveen Swami's book on Kashmir be treated as an honest account of the conflict?
3)how would the ariival of p-15a DDG change the statusquo in the arabian sea and status of the same?
Prasun Sir,
As i posted before i am eagerly awaiting the concluding part of Where the ROK was right and where India went wrong.
Could you give a tentative date as to when you will upload the said article? Looking forward to your reply.
Sir what about recent hypersonic missile test by China, when can we expect hypersonic brahmos
@ Pierre Zorin ,
I don't have enough words to comfort you . All I can say is Heartfelt Eulogies .
Regards,
Vikram
To SNTATA: That’[s just another way of saying by MBDA that the Aster-15/30 SAM combination is up for sale to India.
To RD: Just wait for another 6 months to pass & then we all will see the Delhi state govt being gripped by a fiscal expenditure crisis. Only then will these buffoons realise the true price of ‘aata’ & ‘daal’.
To RAMAN: 1) It is now no longer about 126 Rafales being acquired, but 189. Therefore, off-the-shelf procurement of even 60 Rafales from Dassault Aviation will not affect HAL’s licenced-production workshare. 2) Of the 108 Rafales to be licence-assembled/licence-built by HAL, 74 will be single-seaters and 34 tandem-seaters. Operational flight conversion will be much faster if the two flight simulators are acquired along with the first 40/60 off-the-shelf Rafales.
To RAD: BrahMos-1 Block-3 is structurally the same as BrahMos-1 Block-2, but the former has a modified pre-programmed flight profile, i.e. a flight trajectory that enables it to descend in top-attack mode when fired from high altitudes. Prithvi-3 NLOS-BSM has a RLG-INS coupled to an airborne GPS receiver & therefore its accuracy is up to 9 decimal points of any GPS-generated coordinate (when using the Py-codes of IRNSS)—the best there is anywhere in the world. WW-2 era small arms are still lethal provided they’re well looked after, regularly cleaned up & are properly lubricated, apart from the main factor, which is usage proficiency. Had the Pandu Havaldars of Mumbai Police taken good care of the .303 Lee Enfield rifles & had they regularly attended marksmanship firing courses, the bulk of the 26/11 terrorists could well have been liquidated in the very early hours of the terrorist attacks & there would have been no need for the NSG reinforcements. Yes, cruise missiles like Babur can attack air bases like Agra. The counter to that is a layered & in-depth E-SHORADS deployment. SpyDer-SR can easily do this.
To VIKRANT: Saint Antony is totally clueless at this moment & after committing the first mistake of prematurely terminating the AW-101 VVIP helicopter contract, he has just committed the second legal mistake of encashing the State Bank of India bank guarantee deposited by AgustaWestland (another such bank guarantee is deposited with another foreign bank that is beyond the reach of the MoD), which tantamount to violation of contracts law & AgustaWestland will now have a field day by accusing the MoD of deliberate/willful contract violation & trying to subvert the arbitration process. 2) The local Kashmiris have been successfully employed as integral components of village defence committees since the early 1990s & their effectiveness as informants increased exponentially after the IA launched OP Sadbhavana throughout J & K in the late 1990s. Today, the bulk of Muslim Kashmiri parents want their children to be educated in the Army-run educational institutions throughout J & K. 3) No such books can be treated as honest accounts, since every coin has two faces. It’s like claiming that operational planning for the 1971 war began in May 1971, which is clearly untrue, or that the IAF sought out the East Pakistani Governor-General’s mansion by merely referring to a tourist map of Dhaka. Such claims are all about bravado & are far far away from the truth. 4) The P-15A DDGs will be the most potent warships not only within the IOR, but also beyond in areas like the Horn of Africa or Southeast Asia, provided they’re deployed with their full sensory complement, i.e. shipborne NMRHs & towed-array active/passive ultra low-frequency sonars.
To SANDEEP K V: Hypersonic cruise missiles are clearly the futuristic weapons that will see deployment in the following decade & that includes the BrahMos-2 family.
@Prasunda
Very Many Thanks!
I feel there are many things that can be changed fundamentally by Narendra Modi and his team.
Several far reaching economic and governance related reforms could be achieved with a carrot and stick approach for the political parties in the states to approve of and adopt.
What is the ideal team of technocrats and ministers you would like to see if a Modi led government comes in power? I don't think people like Shourie and Jaswant Singh would be back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozkqgBquwQM
Dear Dada
What would be the essential skill sets required for manpower to be recruited in aerospace MROs? Is there an opportunity in setting up private institutes to train skilled manpower specifically for MROs?
Regards
Dhruv
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