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Sunday, July 5, 2015

Spooks: Ours And Theirs

Here is what we do or like to do:
And what follows below is how it is done by a superpower:
He was reportedly the most successful and valued agent/asset the United States had run inside the Soviet Union in two decades. His documents and drawings had unlocked the secrets of several of the USSR’s radars and guided-weapons R & D years into the future. He had even smuggled circuit-boards and blueprints out of the R & D laboratories where he was working. His espionage thus put the US in a position to dominate the skies over hostile airspace and confirmed the vulnerability of USSR-developed air-defence networks. The agent was Adolf Tolkachev, an engineer and specialist in airborne radars who worked deep inside the Soviet military-industrial complex. Over a six-year perriod, Tolkachev met with his CIA handlers 21 times on the streets of Moscow. Tolkachev’s story has now been detailed in 944 pages of previously secret CIA cables about the operation that was declassified without condition for the forthcoming book, ‘The Billion Dollar Spy’.  The CIA did not review the book before publication. The documents and interviews with the participants offer a remarkably detailed picture of how military-industrial espionage was conducted in the USSR during some of the most tense years of the Cold War. Tolkachev was driven by a desire to avenge history. His wife’s mother was executed and her father sent to forced-labour camps during Stalin’s Great Terror of the 1930s. He also described himself as disillusioned with communism and “a dissident at heart”. He wanted to strike back at the USSR, and did so by betraying its military secrets to the US.
His CIA case officers often observed that he seemed determined to cause the maximum damage possible to the Soviet Union, despite the risks. The punishment for treason was execution. Tolkachev did not want to die at the hands of the KGB. Therefore, he asked for and got a suicide pill from the CIA he could use if caught. The US Air Force estimated at one point in the operation that Tolkachev’s espionage had saved the United States $2 billion in weapons R & D. Tolkachev used to smuggle most of the secret documents out of his office during lunch-hour hidden in his overcoat, and photographed them using a Pentax 35mm camera clamped to a chair in his apartment. In return, Tolkachev asked the CIA for money, mostly as a sign of respect. There wasn’t much to buy in shortage-plagued Moscow in those days. He also wanted albums of Western music—the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep and others—for his teenage son. Tolkachev thus became one of the CIA’s most productive agents of the Cold War.
Documentation supplied by Tolkachev by late 1983 had included: complete sets of engineering and technical data-packages of Phazatron NIIR’s 385kg N-019 Rubin RPLK-29/Sapfir-29 pulse-Doppler radar with twist-cassegrain antenna and its successor, the NO19MP Topaz—both meant for the MiG-29B-12 and MiG-29B-13; complete sets of engineering and technical data-packages of JSC V Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design’s N-001 Myech/RPLK-27 X-band pulse-Doppler radar with twist-cassegrain antenna for the Su-27SK; complete sets of engineering and technical data-packages of the Zaslon RP-31/N-007 PESA radar on-board the MiG-31; complete sets of engineering and technical data-packages of the Shmel 3-D radar for the Beriev A-50 AEW & CS from NPO Vega; and complete sets of engineering and technical data-packages of both 2K12 Kub MR-SAM family and the Buk-М1 MR-SAM.

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SK said...

Prasun,

These two links and many other talk about 3 frigates for US$ 3 billion deal.

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2013/04/13/india_to_spend_3_billion_for_3_more_talwar-class_frigates_23773.html

http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/russia-partners-reliance-group-for-make-in-india-warships/article7429026.ece

The price is quite exorbitant and almost equal to destroyer levels.

financeblogger said...

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/defence-deals-ministers-should-stay-out-of-defence-acquisition-procedures-says-panel/articleshow/48151277.cms?cfmid=11001099

Request your opinion on the above article.

rad said...

Hi Prasun
shashi was brilliant and so eloquent, we need more politicians in india to be educated like him. Indian politicians rarely speak in english ,s they stick to what ever the language they know in the name of patriotism toward the state, to hide their ignorance. I wish he joins modi for nationalistic betterment. There are people like jayaram ramesh who do good work belonging to the congress. But it is ruled by a firangi who will never know the ethos of india.
Egypt seems to have paid 200M$ apiece for the rafale can we afford it in large numbers ?
Is it good to let a consultant like the EADS or SAAB to know the internals of the LCA
if it has to b e redesigned . But looks like we will have no other choice. I dont think we have the experience to do that alone.WE seem to succeed on a defense project only with collaboration like the brahmios and barak 8.

raw13 said...

Hi Prasun,

Thank you for the link. The doco by Wajat Khan was 'the special this Eid'. So its less than a week old. You are welcome to call it ancient ;-). In any case if you were following the battle for Tirah, only a month or so back, you would know its the 35th. You may also have noticed that the support artillery was FC. The FC today is as good as the regular infantry, even in terms of equipment. The Rangers are not far behind either.



What is pushing the FoC of LCA back? Are they opening up the full envelope and maybe getting the gun to work in the air?

Arpit Kanodia said...

@raw13

The diplomacy is all about realpolitik, and not about looking immature or mature.

On the other note, the only country which is immature is Pakistan. Who never realized his limitations of diplomacy and capability, and trying to match with India. But I know this isnt new thing, the same idiocies prevailing in Pakistan since 1947.

But people in Pakistan never able to grasp one reality of life, India never in past ever approached Rawalpindi for conflict resolution, instead all other countries do so like Afghanistan, Iran ,USA and even China. But India always approached Islamabad, ever you thought why?

But I think its time for India to rethink about its approach. A

Arpit Kanodia said...

@raw13

And please never blink your eyes. LoLz.

People again in pakistan always forget, blinking is necessary process to save the eyes.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SK: The level of authenticity of the contents of those articles can easily be highly suspected when the report states that the IN will go for the Grigorivich frigates or Krivak-3 frigates. Truth is, neither of them will be procured. Krivak-3 is in any case a 1970s design! Also, the report fails to mention that the first 3 Project 1135.6 FFGs (Batch-1) will also be upgraded (as part of the mid-life refit) by Pipavav. I will explain all about this & much more tonight in a new thread & that will explain how the figure reaches the US$3 billion mark. Each brand-new Project 1135.6 FFG (Batch 3) won't cost more than US$450 million, this being considerably lower than the US$650 million paid for each Project 17 FFG built by MDL.

Arpit Kanodia said...

@raw13

LoL, and you taking pride that FC and Rangers which is paramilitary force are equally equipped with as Army? ROFL. Ever you realized why country raise paramilitary force?

What you going to take pride next, that Local Police is equally equipped as Army? You argument resemble me as how much deteriorating situation is in Pakistan,that you need tanks, jets, arty and more over regular army soldiers (that require to fight for external warfare)to maintain the law and order situations. LoLz.

But please never blink your eyes.

Devopriyo said...

Really do not understand why do you guys spend so much time and energy trying to refute one person. If someone thinks Pakistan is on the way to becoming superpower so be it.

raw13 said...

@Kaku Sh,

Come on man I expect you to do better than that!

What 'we will not blink' means in pakistan is that we will look you in the eye and knock you down, irrespective of your grandeur or size. Modi like most indian's has no idea about our nation's psyche.

Do you know how many countries have paramilitary forces? Also, do you know that your beloved nation has one of the largest paramilitary force in the world? Infact its many times larger than the entire Pak army. Tells you, something about your beloved nation. You can research why they needed, otherwise I am happy to refer you to material. Prasun wont like that though and will remove the comments. Indian psyche is little fragile to handle the truth...yet!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramilitary_forces_of_India

Arpit Kanodia said...

@raw13

You still not able to grasp what I wrote above. Do you?

Tell me which Indian paramilitary force is as equipped as Indian Army infantry regiments forces. And Indians talking pride of this?

Well, bro I think this become psyche of Pakistanis to take pride of using Jets, tanks and arty on your own citizens, and without any remorse.

BTW, for your own enlightenment check the list again which country have the largest paramilitary force. Yes, its your beloved nations DPRK and PRC.

Arpit Kanodia said...

And yes, please never blink your eyes. Because Indians also want to know how Pakistan going to knock us down.

vishakh said...

HI

http://idrw.org/navy-drdo-sail-in-tie-up-for-producing-steel-for-submarines/

Is this correct and how much is it feasible to use for future subs ????

Mayur M Manapure said...

1)Is it so difficult to select an assault rifle. Are homemade solutions so bad that we have to invite Colt, Berreta and SiG for a basic infantry weapon.
2) Is Russia going to lease us Yasen or Akula?
3) What do they do with the gifts stored in Toshakhana? Does any other country have this kind of rules about the gifts received by the Ministers?

Rajesh Mishra said...

As you are assuring that Tejas-Mk2 is going to be operational by 2025, so I accept it. Otherwise I have lost all faith in this fighter. For too long I was very happy with this Tejas project like many other Indians but it crashed all our hopes. So now at least I say good luck again to this project, which never incorporated any foresightedness. I also do not feel good to see that Tejas-Mk1 has not been considered for a versatile LIFT.

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Prasun Da,

Thanks for sharing that link about Shashi Tharoo's speech at Oxford. However, Tharoor knows all too well that the UK is not going to return even a penny to India because all these major Indian political parties are in the payroll of Western Governments including the UK.

Thanks,

VIKRAM

Unknown said...

sir, can india get permanent membership of unsc in near future ?

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2233806.ece

china will also have to support india's candidacy ultimately.

& i don't understand how can india develop brahmos with >500 km range!!! india is not signatory of mtcr yet !

AND SIR ONE LAST QUESTION-
i was reading wiki page of AMCA. it boasts technology like f22 raptor, or even better !!!
are we really capable of achieving all this till 2025 ? indigenously ?

this is approx list of amca hi-tech_

1.stealth
2.supermaneuverable
3.structural nanocomposites
4.carbon nanotube reinforced epoxy
5.distributed digital flight control computer (DDFCC)
6.reduced visibility to the naked eye !!!!!( REALLY! )

7.minimise radio emissions and both the infrared signature and acoustic signature

8.AESA radar which will use Gallium nitride(GaN){range>240km}
9.accompanying UAV's and UCAV's which will include DRDO AURA, DRDO Rustom

10.electro-optical Distributed Aperture System (DAS)

11.front-sector Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS)

12.Self-protection and self-repair
self-diagnosing and self-healing
13.Maximum speed: Mach 2.5+
14.multi-functional integrated radio electronic system (MIRES)
15.internal weapon bays, which will open for less than 1 second to deploy weapon at supersonic speed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_AMCA

i was wondering ki kya duniya k kisi bhi fighter aircraft mein ye sari specs hain ? sounds like marvel comic fantasy

sorry for the long post

thanks sir.....

Subho said...

Prashun, read somewhere that the FOC delay for this go around is mostly attributable to the delay in integrating the newly design quartz dome and refueling probe both of which COBHAM Plc had been contracted to provide. However, that version has not come out in any direct interviews with ADA or DRDO brass. What's the truth here ? Would appreciate your assessment.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/negotiate-rather-than-blacklist-proposal-for-defence-purchases/

Arpit Kanodia said...

PKS Sir,

Why the Turkish Defence industries hesitate to enter in Indian defence sector? I never seen they marketing there products like Anka UAV, T129 or Altay tank or any other defence product?

They hesitate just because there is "Hindu" word in Hindustan? And not with Christian NATO countries?

sweet said...

As usual, the whole community of dumbfucks across the border have picked up a simple article and turned it into another self boasting article.

Spying, in its very nature is a top secret. why would europe or US handout their top secret technology to some untrustworthy country like pakistan to help them know the secrets of the world?

It was mentioned that the taps were to be done at "landing sites" at karachi port. which means the super-duper ISI can only get access to information that is coming in and going out of pakistan, not of the whole world. US and european nations are light years ahead......

I'm quite surprised that their super-duper ISI doesn't have this capability already.

Pawan said...

Dear Prasunji,

Nawaz sharif got carrot for meeting Modi in Ufa. Tariq Fatemi already in DC and has yielded an invitation from Obama to sharif.

L.Sudheer said...

Prasun Sir,

Is it true that in the latest Caste & Economic Census report that was partially released last month a majority of "HINDUS" defined themselves by their caste, community identity and refused to be labelled as HINDUS? And this is the reason why the full report may not be released at all.

Unknown said...

Its insane how fucked up the caste system in india is. I have first hand experience of this from people you least expect. Muslims in india are more hindu than Hindus themselves. The pathans think they are hindu equivalent of kshatriya and consider the ansaris as dalit. The dawoodi bohra consider themselves as superior to all other muslims including the pathans whome they consider as medieval and savage and also share the hatred of ansaris with the pathans.the bohras dont let other muslims live in their buildings but allow gujarati hindus to live there.the quareshis hate the pathans.the ansaris dont keep a surname to hide the fact that they are ansari because they are ashamed.
I really though islam did not have caste system until i saw all this first hand. Islam may have conquered all of the middle East and North Africa but the Indian caste system has comprehensively defeated Islam in the indian subcontinent.
The Christians in india live with an inferiority complex not because they are christians but because their ancestors were lower caste Hindu. The rest of indian society at large leaves no opertunity to reinforce these complexes. Dalits who are registered buddhists still believe they are Hindu dalits and so does everyone else. No religion in the world can save Indians from being castist. No idea is more entrenched in the Indian psyche than the cast system. Its in our DNA.
To be the devils advocate i would like to say that it is this very caste system that is one of the reason for the survival of Hinduism and also for the simultaneous pressence of all major world religions in a single country even before existance of democracy or secularism in english,french literature. Its responsible to a large extent for the stability of india coz when everyone feels like a minority then everyone behaves like a minority and hence,does not try to force their beliefs to other community.
Come to think of it, the RSS may be right when they say all indians are Hindu but they wont like the real reasons why they are. Lol

raw13 said...

Interesting how this news is leaked:its all over the international news now. You guys got to it before most of us. I can only say that when the cables were being laid Pak must have offered to put the nodes in Karachi. Now it will give us enormous access. Read the report below. The real challenge is how to analyse the data.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/23/pakistan-tried-to-tap-international-web-traffic-via-underwater-cables-report-says

http://www.circleid.com/posts/landing_sites_internets_achilles_heel_of_the_internet/


"Pakistani intelligence sought to tap worldwide internet traffic via underwater cables that would have given the country a digital espionage capacity to rival the US, according to a report by Privacy International.

The report says the country’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency hired intermediary companies to acquire spying toolkits from western and Chinese firms for domestic surveillance.

It also claims the ISI sought access to tap data from three of the four “landing sites” that pass through the country’s port city of Karachi, effectively giving it access to internet traffic worldwide.

Pakistan was in talks with a European company in 2013 to acquire the technology, but it is not clear whether the deal went through – a fact the rights organisation said was troubling.

“These cables are going to route data through various countries and regions,” Matthew Rice, an advocacy officer for Privacy International, said.

“Some will go from Europe to Africa and all the way to south-east Asia. From my reading that’s an explicit attempt to look at what’s going on.”

Traffic from North America and regional rival India would also be routed via the cables, he said"

Ved said...

Pak to get 8 yuan class aip subs from China. Add the 3 agosta already with them. Thats make it 11 subs. The question is how will they evade Indian satellites and P8is in such an open and limited ports?

I am sure the Indian navy has wired the entire exit routes to have early detection of PN.

Am I correct Praaun?

sweet said...

http://submarine-cable-map-2014.telegeography.com/

map of the worlds underwater cables..

Compare the number of cables that land at India and that at pakistan.

And then compare the number of cables that land at US and UK and that with pakistan.

Do these dumbfucks really think they are monitoring the world even now?

the tap was to be done at landing sites. All the world's information that is getting into pakistan and getting out of pakistan were the only data they could get access to. Basically, they are spying on their own people. A random guy in some european country sending data to some random person in north america is beyond the capacity of the pakistanis to spy on. A simple fact that pakistanis have failed to understand and are now jumping up and down thinking their super duper ISI is soooo "hyper cool"......


Continue the self boasting parade...........

chadda said...

Sweet, you seem to need help. The paks are not saying anything. Those are British sources. I guess its time you learnt to read. You low caste member of RSS by any chance?

Spykar said...

Eagerly waiting for your next post... @prasunda

Spykar said...

A humble request from a regular reader:

Sir, Can you give us a short list of genuine website/blogs to follow for the subcontinental defence buffs out here.. in the dark...

Can't trust Google in matters of national security...

Jai Hind..

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Prasun Da,

If Economic Times is to be believed the MoD panel has recommended that:

the government should invest in building up only two private sector shipbuilding companies and should merge all public warship building yards into a single corporate entity

I think this would be a regressive step. Please share your views.

Thank You

Unknown said...

sir, indian airforce team is undertaking indradhanush exercise in uk. since typhoon is a generation ahead in avionics(aka. aesa radar, sensor fusion etc) what are your views about su mki, if pitted against typhoon.

please also consider the recent upgrades for typhoon. for eg...

http://fightersweep.com/2708/eurofighter-typhoon-gets-upgrade/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11170325/RAF-takes-delivery-of-most-advanced-ever-Typhoons.html

su mki vs typhoon in following scenarios...

1) AIR SUPERIORITY
2) BVR COMBAT
3) WVR COMBAT

Ginja said...

@PIYUSH DAS,

OHH NOOOOOOOOOO

Unknown said...

@Ginja , i don't get why you said big "NOOOOOO". But if you are also worried about su mki's performance v/s typhoon, then i'm definitely with you.

Prasun da, please clarify this for us, that where do our su mki stand against its western counterparts in air supremacy.

according to british air chief su mki is no match for typhoon, & su mki has lost in previous exercises also, when typhoon did'nt had latest upgrades.
in british air cheif's words--"Well, they lost,’ was Stephen Dalton’s response when IANS asked how the Russia-developed India-manufactured Su-30MKI air superiority jets performed against the Royal Air Force’s (RAF) Typhoons when they matched their wits during the joint exercises in recent years.

However, he was quick to add that the two aircraft are different in technologies, and that Typhoons are next generation, and hence there is no comparison.
Dalton also indicated that the IAF inventory of Sukhois, MiGs and Mirages are no match to the Typhoons.

‘Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now,’ he said.

But, he added, it was not criticism, as Typhoon is the product of next generation technology."


even chinese claim that their J10 is at least equal to if not better than typhoon.
http://english.chinamil.com.cn/news-channels/china-military-news/2015-02/11/content_6351096.htm
& J10 is not even their best fighter plane

Unknown said...

link of british air cheif 'dalton' bashing su mki
http://www.asian-defence.net/2011/07/british-euro-fighter-typhoons-strikes.html

SOUBHAGYA said...

When will the VVIP saga end??? Recently, Italian court has exonerate ex- chief Tyagi. Now what will happen??? Will India go ahead with the procurement of the rest helos??? "A SCAM THAT WAS NOT SCAM"

Unknown said...

1)They wanted to sell the typhoon to IAF. These statements are more of a PR exercise than fact.
Both aircrafts compete in exports markets.
It would be fatal stupidity for the British to admit that the su30mki's are comparable and in some aspects even better than the eurofighter.the eurofighter has no future as the RAF will not order more of them and has opted for the f35.
2)Considering the situation in Ukraine,they have to assure their domestic audience that NATO aircrafts are better than their Russian rivals and their Nation is safe.
3)Britain is not even a shadow of what it used to be a century back. By 2030 the indian navy air arm will be bigger and more potent force than the Royal Airforce.Even their nuclear deterrent is the imported American Trident slbm.
Today,there is nothing really Great about Great Britain other than in its name.
The UK is at best a second rate power with very limited global influence and it is likely to get weaker with every passing day.It is the most undeserving P5 member at the UNSC.
These facts are difficult to digest for the British.
4) they even claim that the typhoon beat the f22. So they are effectively saying that the typhoon is the most potent fighter aircraft in human history.
But then why would they buy f35 which is less capable than even the f22 which the typhoon defeated.
Hence,they should have stuck with the eurofighter just as france stuck to the rafale.
In conclusion,either the British are lying about the eurofighters capability or they are really stupid for buying the f35,or possibly both!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JAY BHANUSHALI: Here are the official figures regarding the RAF:

RAF currently has 192 frontline combat aircraft, made up of Tranche 1, 2 and 3A Typhoons and Tornados. While all 40 Tranche 3A Typhoons should be with the RAF by 2019, and will remain in service, only about 15 to 20 F-35Bs are expected to have been delivered by this time. There is no physical reason why the existing 53 Tranche 1 Typhoons could not be retained in service out to 2030 with a rolling programme of upgrades to their systems.

To SOUBHAGYA: Not soon fast, I'm afraid. Too many distractions are now being played out & the present Govt of India has been unable to show moral clarity on most of them.

To PIYUSH DAS: Don't fall for propaganda. Instead, watch these two documentaries on what is dissimilar air combat really all about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Gk8gMs1js

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m766A5hHTw

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: Firstly, why has a former Home Secretary been authorised to prepare such a report? What exactly is his domain of expertise? Is he even qualified to draft such a report? And why is no one, not even in the IN, able to answer ONE KEY QUESTION, which is, why does it take a DPSU shipyard so long to build a warship with almost 150% cost escalation? All this, & similar questions will be answered in a new thread, based on a spate of conferences that were hosted in Delhi earlier this week, all dealing with warship indigenisation. Couldn't upload the new thread because I've been busy reading A S Dulat's memoirs dealing with J & K. Incidentally, you will find this interesting:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-buck-stops-here/advani-wasn-t-in-favour-of-terrorists-swap-farooq-abdullah-reveals-inside-story-of-ic-814-crisis/375941

From its contents, it indeed looks like folks like Dr Farooq Abdullah are more deserving of the Bharat Ratna, instead of A B Vajpayee!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

The ROV that retrieved the crashed ICGS Do-228’s CVR & DFDR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-e7S9w8XHI&hd=1

Anonymous said...

Prasun Da,

The real reason why the hijack of the Air India flight went ahead un challenged can be found here:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/as-dulat-rk-yadav-kashmir-the-vajpayee-years-details-hidden/1/451123.html

The crucial detail that Dulat left out of the book, was that Kathmandu-based RAW officer Shashi Bhushan Singh Tomar was on board the plane. He was related to NK Singh, Principal Secretary to Prime Minister Vajpayee, and Nikhil Kumar, then Director-General National Security Guards. Singh's sisters are married to Tomar and Kumar. Both Singh and Kumar were members of the Crisis Management Group. The critical delay at Amritsar occurred because Kumar and NK Singh feared for their relative's life and allowed the plane to take off.

Advani is a Snake. He had no hesitation in releasing the terrorists. He came up with this cock & bull story to make himself look good. Even Jaswant Singh while releasing his book said that Jaswant Singh's son had offered to be taken hostage in place of the passengers. However, if you recall during the hostage crisis Jaswant Singh never made this proposal.

Thanks,

Sujoy

Ashutosh said...


Dear Sir,

After the Mk3 version, Dhruv as a plaform has reached certain matuarity .Regarding the Naval Dhruv, How should the things be planned:

1) Due to less powered engines , there are operational difficulties on high seas(and carrying anti ship missiles). Is it possible to accommodate higher power engines,without changing the design substantially?

2) Do we have our own ASW platform (sonars etc and integrated displays) for such integration on Dhruv .Is it possible to integrate without design changes(on current platform)?
Are these activities being undertaken or everybody is busy with LCH & LUH
(as I understand that design framework for dhurv was to be extended to LUH only)?

3) Else ,Leaving the Dhruv aside ,should we plan a heavy duty/medium Naval helicopter with brand new design and engines? We are ofcourse capable of doing it.

gitar said...

May I know your opinion and comments Hindu and Rashid churning out and directly spitting venom on Hindus, India n Modi in the Yakub's case? Same goes with Teesta.

Mayur M Manapure said...

Some hope for railways....
It's probably most suitable option for Railways given the infrastructure
http://www.financialexpress.com/article/economy/indian-railways-spain-tango-to-speed-up-trains-cut-delhi-mumbai-travel-time/106844/

gitar said...

Is India doing something like this mock drill UK is doing?

SK said...

Prasun,

Where did India get the 160 MW naval reactor which this guy is talking about?

http://beta.theweek.in/theweek/cover/India-has-lost-ground-on-the-submarine-front.html#

Pintu said...

Prasun Da, many thanks for your reply to my queries



1. http://www.mfa.gov.tr/turkey-india-relations.en.mfa

2. http://www.indiashowturkey.com/pdf/India-Turkey%20Trade%20Overview.pdf

3. http://www.todayszaman.com/business_modis-term-presents-opportunities-for-indian-turkish-relations_349933.html

4. www.cgiistanbul.org/frontEnd/userfiles/files/India-Turkey%20Trade%20and%20Economic%20Relations(1).pdf

So, it is evident that Turkish Defence Companies will not have any difficulty to enter in Indian Market after all ?

Unknown said...

@jay bhanushali- yeah, you are correct. I probably got carried away by dalton's words. he seems to be talking like a salesman rather than a military professional

Unknown said...

@prasun sengupta- Sir, thank you for your reply. i watched the two documentaries, & now i understand the dogfights better, particularly dissimilar ones.

but sir, all through the history we see russian fighters facing defeat from western ones. whether it be vietnam war or yom kippur war. even in 1971 war india lost more planes than pakistan.
in red flag exercise in US su 30mki lost badly. US officials wrer saying that su 30mki don't stand a chance in BVR fight due to its HUGE RCS.
& in WVR fight when su 30mki use thrust vectoring it creats SO MUCH DRAG that it practically starts falling from sky. & during their fall all rival pilot needs to do is to point its plane's nose downwards & shoot down the mki. hence it will loose WVR fight as well !!!

friendly kill rates, engine durability k issues bhi aaye the red flag exercise mein.

hence sir, all i ask is an honest question,
Where do you place su 30mki among typhoon, rafale, j11D & f35 in BVR, WVR fight ???

Unknown said...

here is the link in which usaf official is mentioning results of red flag exercise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA1mZF3FQhc

he is also saying su 30mki is inferior to rafale.

sir, i know , if su mki would have been a bad plane then indian airforce would not have ordered 272(or 350 planned) of these birds. But i'm just skeptical about it........

thanks sir...

Unknown said...

@casanova - this is'nt your blog. if prasun asks me not to question here then I won't.

@prasun - don't want to bother you. plz ignore my question if it is immature.

Arpit Kanodia said...

PKS Sir,

You was right. Lol.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/926582/economic-corridor-eastern-cpec-route-unfeasible/

Arpit Kanodia said...

@PIYUSH DAS Why you want to compare Typhoon, Rafale etc etc with MKIs? When the MKIs never going to see combat against them?

Arpit Kanodia said...

PKS Sir,

On other query, by this pic it seems like terrorist were well armed, UBGL and tactical vest.

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10996048_978949495501834_139313252206024227_n.jpg?oh=b2e525e37877ef77ca0265b98b285e76&oe=5657AE0F

This seems PA is still involved inside giving 1000 cuts to India? Whats your thinking on this

Unknown said...

@kaku sh
Chinese hackers stole 50 terabytes of US classified data related to technical details of the F-35 aircraft, classified documents released by US whistle-blower, Edward Snowden have revealed.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/china-stole-plans-for-a-new-fighter-plane-spy-documents-have-revealed-20150118-12sp1o.html

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/11950/NSA_Claims_50_TB_F_35____Secrets____Stolen_by_Chinese__Snowden_Documents#.VbY1WfkXU84

b'cause chinese are stealing technology from the makers of f35 & eurofighter & amalgamating those tech in their fighter plane.

hey it may be a propaganda, but then why "The US Deputy Defense Secretary William Lynn says that 24000 files with highly confidential data has been stolen in military espionage
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/07/15/hackers-governmentsecret-plans-pentagon/

makers of eurofighter EADS were also attacked
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/02/25/china-eads-thyssenkrupp-hack/

according to william lynn- "When looking across the intrusions of the last few years, some of the stolen data is mundane, like the specifications for small parts of tanks, airplanes, and submarines. But a great deal of it concerns our most sensitive systems, including aircraft avionics, surveillance technologies, satellite communications systems, and network security protocols. The cyber exploitation being perpetrated against the defense industry cuts across a wide swath of crucial military hardware, extending from missile tracking systems and satellite navigation devices to UAVs and the Joint Strike Fighter."

william lynn's full speech is given on US DEFENCE DEPARTMENT website
http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=1593

Arpit Kanodia said...

@piyush das They said this and you believe it?

The US is not just miles, but star lights ahead in surveillance, hacking and protection than PRC.

And what you think USA is somekind of idiot country, which put all the designing, metallurgical and sensors data on internet, and say "PLEASE HACK US"?

Just because J-31 looks like F-35, doesnt meant Chinese hacked the US servers. But dont be surprised if its reverse is true.

Arpit Kanodia said...

On the other thing, check the many previous threads of this blog since 2011.

You will find out how since 90s through espionage PRC able to grab tech. from countries like Ukraine, and further R&D lead to projects like J-31 and J-20, but not from Europe or America.

Unknown said...

hey guys ! i know it seems highly unlikely that china will be able to get its hands on western confidential technology. but military espionage is a reality we cannot deny.
read the latest article on this blog yaar. "THE BILLION DOLLAR SPY"
Adolf tolkachev provided CIA the technologies complete sets of engineering and technical data-packages of Phazatron NIIR’s 385kg N-019 Rubin RPLK-29/Sapfir-29 pulse-Doppler radar with twist-cassegrain antenna and its successor, the NO19MP Topaz—both meant for the MiG-29B-12 and MiG-29B-13; complete sets of engineering and technical data-packages of JSC V Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design’s N-001 Myech/RPLK-27 X-band pulse-Doppler radar with twist-cassegrain antenna for the Su-27SK; etc etc.....

Unknown said...

@kaku sh - Point taken. i will read related articles on this blog from 2011

im wish you are correct. Thanhs

Rajesh Mishra said...

I do not think that China hacks those things. It all may be a prepaid business regularized through the so-called espionage and hacking of the purchased data.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Will answer all outstanding queries latere in the day today.

To PIYUSH DAS: If indeed China was so successful in hacking & stealing IPRs related to latest US aerospace technologies, then it would never have contracted the Ruskies to develop the Zhemchug/KLJ-7 slotted-array MMR for the J-10 & FC-1/JF-17, nor would it have contracted Kamov OKB to design the Z-10 attack helicopter. And it would also never have deployed an extensive network of espionage agents throughout North America to procure such data packages. On an average, up to 3 such agents end up getting caught per annum due to FBI sting operations. Therefore, it can only be ascertained that China is mostly on the lookout for acquiring by hook or by crook certain selective technologies related to dual-sue industrial automation/robotics, which in any case become useless in the military-industrial domain if the cutting-edge product solutions that are to be manufactured do not exist in the first place. Consequently, back-engineering or reverse-engineering to becomes impossible. Perhaps that's the reason why the FWS-10A Taihang turbofan has still not been series-produced for the J-11A/B heavy MRCAs & that's why the FWS-13 Taishan turbofan too is in the very early stages of development, despite R & D work having commenced in the late 1990s.

Rituraj said...

Prasun,

Russia is considering selling Sukhoi-35 to Pakistan ???
http://military-informant.com/airforca/rossiya-mozhet-postavit-pakistanu-ist.html

What the F***? Are they losing it or what? Do they understand the repercussions?

Rajesh Mishra said...

Regarding the sale and purchase of Su-35 etc, the Russians never forget that Pakistan destroyed them.

Rajesh Mishra said...

Moscow hostage crisis chemical agent:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_hostage_crisis_chemical_agent

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main.asp?o=t-press_release&latest=1#pr_link2956

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RITURAJ: LoLz! Do you really think that Pakistan will receive any Su-35 before the Chinese do??? As it is, negotiations with China have run into difficulty & the Russian Air Force itself is in dire need of additional Su-35s. So one should not expect the Chinese to acquire Su-35s anytime soon. As for Pakistan, the Russians have not yet forgotten about Pakistan's lone-wolf houls about genocide being committed in Chechnya & equating the Chenchan issue with the Palestinian & Kashmiri issues. Nor are the Russians likely to forget about such issues anytime soon.

DAshu said...

ispr is doing excellent work by finding irrefutable evidences :-)

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: LoLz! During the monsoons when the electrical border-fencing is overwhelmed by the forces of nature, especially along the rivulets, the BSF should have gone for vehicle-mounted surface-movement detection radars to plug such wide-area surveillance gaps. But in the end, the Punjab Police's SWAT unit did a very good job & it was also good to know that the IA & BSF were kept at bay & were not allowed to use their firepower. Such incidents are best handled by SWAT teams & they also help these teams to hone their skills even further. What now needs to be done is do a forensic analysis of the recovered enemy weapons, obtain their manufacturing nos, trace them to a particular production batch of the Chinese OEM, & then confront China with the evidence & ask it to explain when were the weapons manufactured & to whom they were supplied. Let's then see what the Chinese have to say.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: Let's see which of the 'desi' journalists decides to follow this up with the Indian authorities. In my view, the 'irrefutable' evidence ought to include a query by Pakistan to the drone's China-based OEM, in which Pakistan, upon supplying the drone's manufacturing number to the drone's OEM, would then ask the OEM to furnish shipping data which clearly identifies the final destination of the consignment, the order placement documentation, & the delivery & acceptance invoice--all of which are always available with the OEM or its local country agent. It is such paperwork that constitutes clinching or irrefutable evidence. And all it takes to acquire such evidence is just an official e-mailed request to the OEM with a covering letter from the Embassy of China in Islamabad, & delivery of the scanned documentation by the OEM to Pakistan via e-mail! It's that simple!!! But why is this not being done???

raw13 said...

Prasun,

Your logic is impeccable. Russia wont have a relationship with Pak because Pak said something about chechnya, 10yrs ago. Do you think, that russians are so petty minded? or are you thinking like an indian here ;-) No sir, only idiots make decisions like that. And we all know Putin is anything but. As to the SU-35, I think its a lots of wishful thinking that it will come to Pak or that paf can afford to run it.

Like you said above, good to see sawt's taking prompt action:

http://www.firstpost.com/india/gurdaspur-terror-strike-plot-hatched-pakistans-isi-revival-khalistan-2365408.html

However what get's me is this, how accurate is this report, did the intel already know what, and where these guys came from? Meaning did they have advance notice of this but did nothing. If so, question is why? or is this the usual finger pointing and quality intel after the event? or are we back to the days when an earthquake in india was blamed on ISI.

chadda said...

If there is a scotland type referendum in Punjab. What will the sikhs vote to do, stay in india or become an independent country.

Pintu said...

If there is a Scotland type referendum for Baluchistan,Sindh & Gilgit-Balitstan will Pakistan's integrity falter further ?

chadda said...

Difference is Pakistani say they are nation states in a federal unit. India says its a nation state. Which it obviously is not. I know I will be attacked by BR farts now.

Pawan said...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MhyWM75Yq8

Pak army and its unleashed dogs are in full motion to ignite terrorism in Punjab. Your opinion on how to handle pak on this front.

Pintu said...

My afore mentioned question is for Prasun Kumar Sengupta, only, since it is his blog, so any unwanted gibberish from any third party in between is highly unacceptable and complete silence in this regard is highly recommended, until Prasun Da answers.

Rajesh Mishra said...

It is high time for the Punjab Police that their 303 Rifles shall be replaced by SLR and their SLR shall be replaced by INSAS.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAW13: Do I think, that the Ruskies are so petty minded so as to hold Pakistan accountable for something uttered about Chechnya 10 years ago? My answer: Of course! 10,000 times. Why, do you think they’re brain-dead? If Pakistan can be so petty-minded about a ‘could be’ remark made by the late Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru in the 1950s about prospects for a plebiscite in J & K at an undetermined future date (which, by the way cannot be construed as a legally-binding pledge, as opposed to Pakistan’s pledge of vacating its occupation of PoK as mandated by UNSC resolutions) & keep harping about it since 1964, then why not extend this very same luxury to the Ruskies? Only an idiot will change the locations of goalposts based on his/her whims & fancies, as you seem to be doing. Be consistent & principalled in furtherance of your point-of-view, or else your shifting stances (which I hope isn’t the same as Pakistan’s) will make you the global laughing stock.

As for intel about the terrorist infiltrations into Indian Punjab, their recovered GPS navigation devices have given enough forensic data about the point-of-origin of these terrorists, which is the Shakargarh Bulge area. GPS navigational data & usage times of such devices can never be tampered with & they therefore constitute irrefutable evidence in any court of law.

To CHADDA: If it comes to that, then they will definitely choose to stay within India, because an independent landlocked state caught in between two hostile countries will never be able to become financially viable or sustainable. An independent Khalistan, for instance, will have no choice but to remain financially dependent on India for market assess & revenue earnings. And if India refuses to have trading links with Khalistan, then it’s the end of Khalistan. Bottomline: landlocked states cannot survive in the absence of trade/resource connectivity. Only coastal states can, because they can rely on the open seas for trading & resource importation. That’s why the history of any country is always determined by its geography. The Sikhs of East Punjab clearly realise this, for they definitely are not brain-dead.

As for nation-states, neither country is one. Nation-State is a sovereign entity that has defined & secured borders & does not have any territorial disputes with anyone. You do need to read-up about political definitions. And between the two countries, India is definitely closer towards becoming a nation out of a country.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PINTU: Of course it will. That’s why there’s already growing talk about ‘Sindhu Desh’ within Sindh, while the MQM party is once again displaying its ‘Mohajir’ identity consciousness. The Balochis, Sindhis & Mohajirs have all traditionally hated the West Punjabi dominance & therefore the three parties will always be much more comfortable in forming a confederation among themselves & co-existing peacefully. As for GB, in the last elections, there was only 30% turnout. That should tell everyone a lot about what the real sentiments within PoK are.

To PAWAN: The answer is right here:

http://www.firstpost.com/india/terror-returns-punjab-time-dust-kps-gill-doctrine-deal-2364828.html

To RAJESH MISHRA: LoLz! Don’t you doubt the effectiveness & lethality of the Lee Enfield .303 bolt-action rifle. As long as it is in functional condition, it is quite devastating. Problem during 26/11 was that the Mumbai Police were just not trained enough to use such rifles & consequently these rifles too were not functional. But I wish the Punjab Police’s SWAT team had stun/flash grenades (which are quite expensive) to use, for these would have enabled the SWAT team’s assault unit to storm the police station much more quicker & the whole operation would have been completed by noon-time & probably some of the terrorists could have been taken alive.

financeblogger said...

http://www.financialexpress.com/article/economy/indian-air-force-asks-hindustan-aeronautics-limited-to-stop-work-on-jet-trainer/109744/

As mentioned by you, from the above article, it seems an end to IJT. Article also mentions floating of EOI for IJT.

Request you to shed light on the above.

Pawan said...

Dear Prasun da,

VMT for reply. The link you gave is about internal measures. My query more about inflicting cost on Pak for its misadventures.
I know that Pak is losing its capacity to damage India but it still have resources to keep India busy through some or other nonsense therefore what do you think India should or can do to either accelerate the degradation of Pak state or force it to stop making nuisance for India?

Regards,
Pawan

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To FINANCEBLOGGER: Rest assured that the EoI or RFI responses from abroad will end up in files that will later only gather dust. No self-respecting air force that already operates BTTs & AJTs will ever end up buying IJTs. If at all anything is to be procured, it will be LIFTs, not IJTs. And at a later date, even the HTT-40 BTT will be junked, because it uses Honeywell-made TPE331 engines, whereas the PC-7 Mk2 uses P & WC-built PT6A-series engines. No air force operates two types of BTTs with totally different on-board systems due to the cost-prohibitive nature of such operations due to duplication of product-support practices & processes. Thereforte, expect the Union Finance Minister to jump in any time now to put an end to such shenanigans for good.

To RAJ: This moron, hailing from Karachi, was the very same person who had 'leaked' the fictitious confessions of some UK-based MQM leaders, who had 'leaked' the fictitious purchase list of weapons meant for the MQM, & more recently had alleged that the China-made drone recovered in PoK was in fact an Israeli drone being used by India's armed forces. Morons like this Dr always have a field day in Pakistan by conceiving of & spreading all kinds of conspiracy theories devoid of any factoid. You will of course have noticed that in yesterday's programme he was always referring to Ajit Doval as being the former Head of R & AW, which is patently untrue. Doval was the Director of IB & was never the Secretary R & AW. This itself goes on to prove that this moron is loathe to do his homework & is a best practioner of the worst form of yellow journalism.No wonder he's being sued by Najam Sethi in a court of law, whose next hearing is set for September 5. And BTW, this moron is also an avid fan of Lt Gen (Ret'd) Hamid Gul, which should tell us all a lot more about this character.

And here are more conspiracy theories that emerged yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWUYO5om9A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FTUZhNrrk&hd=1

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PAWAN: Leave that to the Gods of Yore, who will deliver justice fairly soon. The monsoons have just begun, the floods have commenced within Pakistan, & by next month or the month after that there will be another severe earthquake that will once & forever make the CPEC project a perpetual physical impossibility. And with that, all this temporary euphoria about the 'transformative' CPEC will fizzle out & Pakistan will once again be knocking on India's doors begging for market access. The Lord indeed always works in mysterious ways.

Rajesh Mishra said...

Thanx for replies. I also pray that another severe earthquake very soon destroys huge parts of the so-called Pakistan.

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Prasun Da,

(1) Indian Express reported today that next year's DefExpo will be in Goa not Delhi from Feb 17-20. Natasha will be very happy ;)

(2) A Q Khan called Abdul Kalam an average scientist. My counterpoint is average scientist is better than extraordinary CHOR like Khan

Rajesh Mishra said...

A Q Khan "Bhopali" was a born thief.

SOUBHAGYA said...

Dear Prasun,

Yakub is being hanged tomorrow morning. Now a phobia is prevailing in the mind set of minority community and LENIENT people. What is your say about the judiciary call on Yakub's hanging??? Is it valid and correct decision taken by the judiciary or something wrong has happened??? It is told that he had surrendered not captured. Is it true. I think it is false. What's ur say about the verdict??? Are u happy. I am happy bcoz I trust Indian judiciary.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: 1) I too am very happy! Nothing like enjoying the expo during daytime & the seaside beachfront chalets to wind down in the evenings. Plus, there will be a ready seafront & air-corridor available for product demonstrations & also some warships at anchorage. All in all, therefore, Goa is a better site for such expos. In Delhi, the product displays are limited to only scale-models & static displays & highly expensive hotel accommodations. I just hope that Aero India too is eventually held at some other place other than Bengaluru. This will at least prevent all the jingos & non-qualified DPSU-staff & their families from flooding the expo sites from Day 1 itself--they used to make a mockery of the term 'trade show day', they became a total nuisance & they also turned India into the world's laughing stock when staging such events. So, all in all, very good news indeed.

2) This is byfar the best rebuttal:

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ruminations/the-ignoble-aq-khan-on-the-noble-abdul-kalam/

To RAJESH MISHRA: Do read this:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/29/taliban-supreme-leader-mohammed-omar-dead-afghan-government-says/

Didn't I say earlier that Pakistan's duplicity was unravelling? Now Pakistan has to explain to the world who was behind the re-activation of the Afghan taliban's website earlier this year, & who was responsible for uploading all the shit about this Mullah & his exploits & his two recent statements praising the dialogues between the Afghan govt & the Afghan Taliban. In short, it is now beyond doubt that Pakistan had been leading both China & the US up the garden-path with all kinds of bullshit, which China & the US are now both regretting. The Lord indeed works in mysterious ways!

PS: Pakistani conspiracy theorists will now allege that this revelation about the Mullah's demise is the joint handiwork of the Afghan NDS & R & AW (LoLz)!

To SOUBHAGYA: Yes, Yakub Memon had indeed surrendered. What was promised to him & his family & dependents was justice & that is exactly what was given to him. In the end, only he is to be hanged. He could well have turned approver by exposing the crimes of his elder brother PRIOR to the 1993 Mumbai bomb-blasts, but he chose not to, thereby becoming a co-conspirator & abetter of the heinous crime of mass-murder. He could well have avoided all this misfortune had he informed the Mumbai Police in advance about the crimes that were about to be committed in February 1993. But he chose not to & now he & only he has to answer for his sins. And for mass-murder on such an industrial scale, there can never be any mercy.

Jon said...

Saleh on Omars death:

http://thediplomat.com/2015/07/afghanistans-ex-intelligence-chief-reflects-on-mullah-omars-death/

Pintu said...

Prasun Da, many thanks for replying my query as mentioned, thanks for sparing your precious times.

There are the questions that bothers me

1. as Kaku mentioned, while pointing out about Turkish Defence Firms' hesitance in entering Indian Market, Now, in the light of these links:

i. http://www.mfa.gov.tr/turkey-india-relations.en.mfa

ii. http://www.indiashowturkey.com/pdf/India-Turkey%20Trade%20Overview.pdf

iii.http://www.todayszaman.com/business_modis-term-presents-opportunities-for-indian-turkish-relations_349933.html

a) What may be the reason behind shying away of Turkish Defence Firms from Indian Market ? b) What is the prospect if they really choose to enter in the Market ?


2. This news about Daesh (ISIS) preparing to attack India :

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/07/29/isis-india-war-document/

-------Two things are pondering me a. This information leaked to the USA by a Pakistani b. ISIS using Urdu as their communicating medium.

Kindly share your views, thanks in advance.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PINTU: Who says Turkish military OEMs are shying away from the Indian market? They have always been present at the DEFEXPO expos. As for their lack of marketing success, it must be noted that very few Turkish products are totally home-grown & have Turkish IPRs. The bulk of them are originating from other countries & they’re licence-built in Turkey for Turkish reqmts. Therefore, such products cannot be exported beyond Turkey.

What has to be understood about ISIS is that it’s avowed objective is to establish a Caliphate, i.e. a sovereign geo-political & territorial entity. For this, it first has to secure access to sustained financing channels so that a country can stand up on its own feet. Consequently, this is only possible where there are sources of available revenue-earnings like exportable crude oil or natural gas. It is for this reason that ISIS will always be geographically limited to the region spanning from western Iraq to eastern Syria. The ISIS therefore has no intention whatsoever to spread its tentacles to areas or regions that are beyond its physical control. All that it wants from abroad are human resource supplies that remain faithful to ISIS’ monolithic religious misinterpretations, i.e. brainwashed eggheads who have a deathwish. ISIS does not have any global ideology of the type propagated by Al Qaeda & therefore ISIS will never look beyond the frontiers of the Arabian landmass. Therefore, ISIS has no intention whatsoever to be physically present as combatants anywhere else, & especially India.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/army-never-purchased-drone-from-us-says-mumbai-firm/

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJESH MISHRA: Previously the Afghan Taliban & ISIS were arguing about who will be the Khalifa of the Caliphate, Mullah Omar or al Baghdadi. Because as per Muslim tradition, there can be only 1 central caliphate & therefore only 1 Khalifa. First signs of Mullah Omar's demise surfaced when elements of both the TTP & Afghan Taliban began swearing allegiance since late 2013 to al Baghdadi & recognised him as the one & only Khalifa representing the only existing Caliphate of this world, i.e. ISIS. Therefore, if Al Baghdadi is the only surviving Khalifa, then it means the Caliphate too will be based between western Iraq & eastern Syria. Which in turn means bidding goodbye to the idea of the mythical Caliphate of Khorasan within Central Asia. Thus, ISIS constitutes no physical threat to Central or South Asia as of now. Pakistan has no strategic gain to make by allying itself to any such Caliphate. It's only problem will be an increasing exodus of Pakistani youngsters departing Pakistan for the ISIS-run Caliphate, which in turn could well see both the PA & its 'sarkari jihadi' tanzeems facing some skilled human resource shortages in the years to come.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Just as I had predicted a few hours ago, the Pakistani conspiracy theorists are claiming that India forced the Afghan NDS & Afghan President Ashraf Ghani to make public news about Mullah Omar's demise. Hear & see all about it at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ixzr4CjqNA&hd=1

Pintu said...

Prasun Da, thanks for the replies,

Regarding the matter of 'Shying Away' by Turkish Defence Firms, I just merely quoted 'Kaku's question, though it was in my mind, I just forgot to add the query whether it is true meaning whether they were represented in India in any occasion,thanks again for your reply clearing the doubts.

Now, for the Daesh/ISIS, what was the reason behind sudden hoopla by section of both Indian and Western Media, on ISIS attacking India,the two points which look quite uncanny to me as I mentioned, Pakistani leaking documents written in Urdu to the U.S. Media, what is the reason behind it, is it a tactic pressuring Pakistan Army to reign in radical elements they nourishes and use them as their tool, and it came especially at the time, when strain of fracture appears in the hierarchy of 'Daesh' with a reported failed coup targeted to oust Baghdadi surfaced ?

And also, is Turkey complicating the fight against ISIS, by choosing air assault against both ISIS and PKK in Iraq, at this juncture, it appeared that Turkey under Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, favoured 'removing a thorn by thorn' policy, and at the same time declaration its opposition against existence of Assad Regime by then contributing to Chaos prevailed in Iraq and Syria, was not it better for Turkey to open to negotiation with PKK leadership in Turkey, for some sort of agreement between them to have a peace process, now sudden attack against Kurdish battle hardened Ultras, may draw Turkey in to the turmoil since there are significant population of Kurdish in Turkey, and that can turn into Civilian unrest, thus making work of US led coalition more difficult ? As past we have seen Turkish reluctance for allowing the USA to use their air base for launching attack against advancing ISIS in Kobane ? and the media, in particular Kurdish one accused Turkey proving support to ISIS ?

-------Kindly share your views regarding this, thanks in advance.

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun,
Isn't this a victory for Pakistan intelligence to hide Mullah Omar's death in the last two years? That means, Pakistan has been fooling the world until now. Why couldn't Indian or Western Intelligence fail to get this news? Had they known, then the Western Govt would not have made Pakistan a partner in talks on Afghanistan's future, right?

Lately, Turkey has some kind of animosity against India ever since Erdogon came to power. He is highly pro-Islamic and Anti-Israeli. Because of India's closeness towards Israel, Erdogon govt has been reluctant to extend a hand of friendship to India, but strengthened its relationship with Pakistan. I met a Turkish academician, who is very liberal Muslim, who told after Erdogon came to power, Turkey-Pakistan relationship has been improving. He said, there has been visit by Turkey academicians to Pakistan and students from Pakistan visit Turkey. So even if Turkey Military industries would like to set up manufacturing or any other tie-up with India, Erdogon govt will definitely veto.

Rajesh Mishra said...

Pakistan always loved Turkey and Turkey was a role model for Perwaiz Musharraf and others.

Kartik said...

Sir
sometime about 4 years back i read your article for tempur magazine concerning ATV project. s-1 half boat
the article was very informative
Would love to have a go through it again
but the tempur link is not working
may be you can help me by suggesting some other way
VMT in advance

Kartik said...

sir read about ADM missile (being co-developed with Israel) on this blog a long time ago
but still no details are emerging about this project ?
Has it been junked ?

financeblogger said...

http://www.financialexpress.com/article/economy/boeing-ends-contract-with-hal/110345/


HAL seems to loosing business bit by bit but trust also getting lost bcoz of the work quality.

Kartik said...

1) moreover whats going on on the turkish border with syria
the say they want to create an isil free zone (not a buffer zone means no turkish boots on the ground)
the next step they will take is to push the syrian refugees in that zone(according to al-jazeera
it appears to me that they are hell bent on butchering these innocent lives as the zone will be a regular target of isil militancy
this populance will also provide them (isil,pkk,fatah group etc) with the required human resources
& still nato is supporting them
2)saw videos of Türk Hava Kuvvetleri using C-130 to bomb probable isil positions
seems the isil is not having adequte anti-air assets.

Kartik said...

sir last day i compared the f-22p frigates & p-28 asw corvettes
F-22P
Displacement: 2,500 tonnes (standard)
3,144 tonnes (full load)
Length: 123.2 m (404 ft)
Beam: 13.8 m (45 ft)
Draught: 3.76 m (12.3 ft)
Armament: Guns:
1 × 76.2 mm calibre AK–176M main gun
Type 730B CIWS (2 × 30 mm 7-barrel Gatling guns)
Missiles:

1 × 8-cell FM-90N SAM launcher
2 × 4-cell C-802 SSM launchers
Other:

2 × 3-cell ET-52C torpedo launchers
2 × 6-cell RDC-32 anti-submarine rockets
Aircraft carried: 1 × Harbin Z-9EC ASW helicopter

P-28 ASW corvettes
Displacement: Standard: 2800 tonnes Full load: 3400 tonnes
Armament: 1 x 76.2 mm Oto SRGM
2 x AK-630M CIWS
2 x RBU-6000 (IRL) anti-submarine rocket launcher
2 x 3 Torpedo tubes

2 x 4 Barak8 or LR-SAM
Aircraft carried: 1 Westland Sea King Mk.42B
sir even after both the vessels are to be used for coastal duties
the p-28 is heavier despite having lesser weaponry (no anti ship missiles)
what contributes to its more weight

Arpit Kanodia said...

PKS Sir,

Why the India and Iran never allowed to enter inside 2+2+1 Negotiations? And how the China entered inside?

If I remember correctly, then in one point of time in history, Iran was all set to invade Taliban's Afghanistan,

but still Iran is left out inside negotiations with Taliban. So, how we expect a peace deal will be achieved which is accepted to Iran and India?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KAKU SH: Any peace deal has to be acceptable to only Afghanistan & its citizens. Iran & India have no interest in this matter since this is an internal matter of Afghanistan. As can now be seen, both China & Pakistan have now burnt their hands by trying to directly interfere in Afghanistan's domestic politics. The 2 + 1 + 2 formula was doomed to failure since its inception.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://nosint.blogspot.in/2015/07/argentina-chooses-israel-over-china-for.html

FC-1 Xiaolong MRCA has lost another potential customer!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KARTIK: Who has ever stated that the P-28 ASW corvettes are meant for 'coastal' duties? And the P-28's helicopter deck can accommodate only a 10-tonne NMRH. So from where does the 12-tonne Sea King Mk42B come from?

Pintu said...

Prasun Da, it vindicates your prediction about India's Trojan Horses:

http://idrw.org/geelani-oppose-paks-merger-bid-of-gilgit-baltistan/

DAshu said...

Now it is safe to assume PA is the Afghan Taliban. Not an assumption any more though.
Still US cannot do anything about it. My guess is US knew this, hence they changed their goal post from defeating Taliban to only killing OBL

raw13 said...

There is too much fog in the region at the moment to be able to see what is going on. Number of interesting things: Why is it no one has condemned the India attack. Is it because the indian gov has lost credability? look what happened in the boat fiasco, etc... it seems no one believes what indians or their ministers say these days. I liked it when they were making threats of war every hour on the hour to Pak and we simply said bring it on! We are still waiting, ready and prepared.

@kaku, if you know the history of taliban, you would know they despise iranians. (like BJP/RSS hate us guys) And india, what can it do without the american consent in afghanistan...NOTHING. It tried to isolate Pak, but every major power is trying to get us on their side. Why, because we can tilt the balance in CA and ME. Infact India itself is isolated hence UFA happened. Did you see the look on your PM face, like he was forced to do it :-). Modi runs around CA, got nothing because those guys put relationships with China & Pak way above India. Having said that you have a chance to become a player by offering your troops to die for the saudi's in Yemen.

Anonymous said...

PrasunDa,

This story about how a young Indian woman was recently harassed my US immigration is doing the rounds in the Internet.

https://musingsbythewindow.wordpress.com/2015/07/29/detained-by-chance-unbroken-by-choice/

What I don't understand is why do they issue visas to Indians in the first place if they have to harass them so much.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PINTU: The confusion has arisen because those commentators are trying to portray the ISIS as a competitor to Al Qaeda. Reality is exactly the opposite. ISIS is a monolithic entity dedicated to the creation of a geographically defined Muslim (not Islamic) Caliphate, while Al Qaeda is like a global franchise (just like McDonalds, KFC, Burger King fast-food chains) owing allegiance to a single ideology. Thus, by being a franchise, it is decentralised. ISIS is therefore interested in penetrating those countries hosting Muslim populations ONLY FOR THE SAKE OF recruiting manpower that will be used to serve within the Caliphate, & nowhere else. That explains why the Uighurs from Xinjiang were bound for Turkey via Thailand.

This then brings us to why was ISIS created & nurtured & who were behind it? The ISIS was created jointly by the US, the GCC member-states & Turkey to serve two purposes: firstly, to apply unrelenting pressure on Iran (by creating unrest within Shia-majority Iraq & Shia-ruled Syria) to abandon its nuclear WMD R & D programmes, and secondly; to carve out a geographical area where brainwashed eggheads could gravitate to, instead of these eggheads remaining in their countries of origin & plotting all kinds of terrorist strikes. Imagine therefore these eggheads in their tens of thousands descending in western Iraq/eastern Syria where they can be easily monitored & targetted, as opposed to them remaining in their countries & posing a severe strain on the internal security/law enforcement agencies of the countries from where these eggheads originate. In short, it has been a stratagem that is brilliant in its conception & flawless in its execution so far. And there is no reason to be alarmed about it, for it has been tried before elsewhere, most notably in the late 1970s when the University of Nebraska first conceived of & articulated the idea of the ‘global Islamic Jihad’ that was targetted against the USSR during the Afghan civil war? Don’t believe me? Then do watch this from the beginning till 22.33:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4knmLGpIeCw&hd=1

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAW13: LoLz!!! Kya bakwaas bake ja rahe ho? The only place where there’s too much fog appears to be within your skull & that too because you don’t seem to be residing on Planet Earth, but on some roaming asteroid! Aren’t you aware that the Govt of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Foreign Office was the first to condemn the terrorist attacks in Gurdaspur? Do check out the Pak FO’s website in case you don’t believe me.

Now let’s see how Afghan President Ashraf Ghani & India totally outwitted Pakistan & how everyone in a tizzy inside Pakistan has yet to grasp the truth. Firstly, he created the impression with India’s help & assistance of gravitating towards Pakistan & letting the Pakistan Army falsely believe that Pakistan had the decisive role to play in terms of Afghan national reconciliation. After massaging the PAS’s ego, it was a matter of time before the PA begged for China’s support in getting the Pakistan-based Afghan Taliban’s leadership to the negotiating table. And by doing this, the PA stood totally exposed & the whole world subsequently got clinching evidence of the PA’s total control over the leading factions of the Afghan Taliban. In other words, no further proof was now reqd to expose the PA’s double-dealing. It was only after achieving this at Murree that Kabul decided to mete out the coup de grace by revealing that Mullah Omar had passed away in 2013 inside Pakistan. Why was this news leaked out? Elementary: this news will lead to the Afghan Taliban movement getting fractured & divided & lead to leadership tussles & various other news-leaks emanating from such fractious groups, while Kabul can now claim the moral high ground vis-à-vis Pakistan & score a major diplomatic victory, & most probably some of the NATO member-states will now be much more forthcoming to maintain military presences inside Afghanistan till 2022. All this is now visible to everyone, except—I suspect—you & your ‘guru’ M K Bhadrakumar.

You should have maintained you ancestral links to Chanakya/Kautilya, instead of severing them & tracing your lineage to Mohd bin Qasim. But since you didn’t, now brace up for reaping the whirlwind & tilting in the direction of an endless abyss.

As for India making threats of war every hour, it was all done for a very good reason & in synchronised fashion. It all started with the Indian RM talking about using thorns to pick out thorns, followed by NaMo’s speech in Dhaka in which he ridiculed Pakistan in a hitherto unheard-of manner. And the reason was to make Pakistan squeal ever more madly about using nuclear WMDs against India. Surely no one, certainly not the US or the Iranians, will tolerate. So, what does the world now do with such an irresponsible nuclear WMD-armed country whose double-dealings have now been proven beyond reasonable doubt by the wily Ashraf Ghani? The global consensus therefore, logically, will seem to be the deliberate de-nuclearisation of Pakistan, to be undertaken by a coalition of the willing. Will such a coalition include mercantile China? Inshallah, only time will tell.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To Anon@10.01AM: It may well be a tactical victory, but it has turned out to be a strategic blunder of epic proportions, thanks to the cunningness shown by the govts of Afghanistan & India, the present-day successors & practitioners of Chanakya’s/Kautilya’s Arthashastra. For, if you may recall Chanakya hailed from Takshashila (Taxila), the capital of the ancient Gandhara kingdom, of which present-day Kandahar was a part.

To DASHU: OBL was killed in 2011. Mullah Omar by the Afghan Taliban’s account was killed by his rivals on July 19, 2013, while the Afghan NDS has stated that the Mullah passed after after suffering from TB in April 2013 at a hospital in Karachi. Check the timelines once again.

To CHADDA: If that is indeed the case, then the only course of survival available to the UK’s resident Anglo-Saxon Caucasians will be to revoke the UK citizenship of such unruly folks & deport them back to their country of origin. That way, they can all go back to Pakistan & kill each other, with those being killed being labelled as ‘Muslims’, while those that do the killings are labelled as ‘Better Muslims’.

I have over the years met several Arabs from Egypt, KSA & Qatar who utterly despise the Pakistani Muslims, & they have repeatedly said that the Pakistani Muslims always resort to ‘reflected glorification’, i.e. trying to take credit for the achievements of the Arabas & Turks.

Magicbullet said...

Sir...time for a new thread...it's getting difficult to read your blog on a mobile now.....Pl oblige...

financeblogger said...

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/rafale-deal-july-target-missed-on-pricing-issues-indias-insistence-on-50-local-spending-by-france/articleshow/48288656.cms

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/navy-endorses-new-standards-for-warship-plans/articleshow/48289104.cms

Request ur opinion on the above articles. In the first article there is mention of offset obligation and IAF planning to have two bases for Rafale which will require high cost infrastructure. You have clarified on both the points previously. So is the first article another piece of yellow journalism?

Siddharth said...

Prasun da,

I believe July is the month when Rafale MMRCA was to be signed, but seems it doesn't turnout. Why is there a delay.

The explanation given on this link is the cause.

Siddharth

Rituraj said...

Prasun,

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/rafale-deal-pricing-issues-indias-insistence-on-50-local-spending-lead-to-missing-of-july-target/articleshow/48288656.cms

Going by this article, Rafale was offered to PM Modi for $200 million per piece in his French visit. That offer had an added 20% discount which means the original offer to UPA government was $ 250 million per piece in 2014. That also means the original deal of 126+63 options = 189 X 250 million = $ 47.3 Billion. The total cost of developing Rafale aircraft was near-about the same amount so French decided to extract all of it from the Indian contract. The UPA morons and majority of the paid defence media were fooling common people that it was a $10-12 billion contract !!!! Moreover, three years earlier the fighter was offered at prices of below $100 million so in three years the price escalated to 2.5 times !!!!

Unknown said...

dear sir,

now we almost know what iaf wants from tejas mk 2 why dont we buy Novi Avions designs and prorotype from yugoslavia to save the time of development sme what chinese did by buying Lavis design ad everything for j 10.
Novi Avion is like what iaf needed and sames as rafale what they will operate eventually.

thanks,

Anonymous said...

Prasun,

The sophisticated Flanker has been found to have a major shortcoming. To carry eight tons of ordnance, it must use both of its AL-31FP engines, and the transition from one to two – and the reverse – often causes engine failure.

Does this claim has any significance.

Copied from IDRW article

raw13 said...

Prasun,

What does India get for this cunning, which you claim? It could equally be that they didnt know anything. Do you know the status of Hajigak mine, when are you guys going to start?

raw13 said...

A good article, by Salman Rafi:

http://atimes.com/2015/07/afghanistan-peace-process-comforting-the-warrior/

what he seems to suggest Prasun, is that Pak again wants complete Taliban control in Afghanistan. No foreign control. I guess Karzi will soon move permanently to India.

and the whirlwind that is coming:

https://in.news.yahoo.com/four-indians-kidnapped-extremists-libya-mea-051124964.html

Modi is going to realise that his actions have consequences.

james said...

prasun,
After 36 rafale jets, will india go for any extra rafale or more su30mki.the position is not clear by govt.what's your opinion .

Jones said...

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/two-of-the-four-indians-detained-in-libya-released/

I am sure the other two will also be released.

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,
Kalyani group has tied with Rafael to supply Spike ATGM to India.
Which version of Spike is India buying?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

History will be created tonight:

https://ridingtheelephant.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/bangladesh-land-swap-tonight-shows-what-india-can-achieve-despite-china/

To VED: What Kalyani Group will do with RAFAEL was explained here:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2015/05/missing-woods-for-trees.html

As for the Spikes, it was all explained here:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2014/10/new-force-accretions-are-welcome-but.html

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

Prasun Da,

Some how after shrugging off Kalam's Loss , I feel Good that the India and Bangla desh Border Disputes are being settled

My guess we would end up MK2 Only in 2022 if all goes well and.

One Q .. How do you think the BJP Gov moving its cards in Economy and Geo Politics and Strategic Sphere ....

Abhay Jain said...

Prasun sir,

what is happening on Indo-Pak diplomatic front? After Gurdaspur terrorist attack what would be the next course of action of the Indian government to further expose pakistan on the international arena? Does BJP seem confused? They are looking helpless. What is actually happening behind the scene because it seems so confusing and to some extent frustrating to a noob like me and once again you need to clear the mist.

There has been so many things going on in the region, after mullah omar's death revelation as you said all the pakistani media is accusing it as a RA&W's conspiracy. Now haqquani is seems to be presumed dead. What would be the impact of these revelations will be on Afghanistan's security and their future.

If possible and if your busy schedule allow you please write a post on the current regional geopolitical scenario.

regards

Abhay Jain

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To FINANCEBLOGGER: Of course it is a piece of yellow journalism. How can there be any form of industrial offsets for a procurement involving off-the-shelf deliveries of finished products??? Obviously this news-reporter does not understand how industrial offsets come into play & why. It’s therefore very sad to see such bandalbaazes being employed by national newspapers.

To SIDDHARTH: All the major complications have been ironed out, rest assured.

To RITURAJ: That’s not how calculations are done. The more units one orders, the lesser the per-unit cost & vice versa. The cost also includes prices for air base upgradation, setting up of 1st & 2nd level MRO infrastructure & the procurement of weapons packages & cockpit procedure trainers, tactical flight simulators & maintenance simulators. Bulk of these are to be procured through the first contract itself, & therefore the follow-on tranches ordered in future will be cheaper in terms of per-unit cost.

To SHAHIN KHAN: What you are suggesting is to re-invent the wheel & start from scratch! If this is done, then the entire R & D effort done so far for the Tejas Mk1 that will also find application on the Tejas Mk2 will have to be junked. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAW13: It is neither cunning nor devious or anything like that. It is pure realpolitik that has been enacted by a coalition of the willing. Those (including Najam Sethi) who are alleging that India or R & AW leaked this info about Mullah Omar’s death in collusion with Afghanistan’s NDS, have obviously failed to realise that this information was first posted in the official website of President Ashraf Ghani! Therefore, by attacking India, all these moronic Pakistani commentators & conspiracy theorists are in fact only denigrading President Ghani. All this only goes on to prove that Pakistan never treated Afghanistan as a sovereign country, & till this day regards it as a vassal state. Therefore, what you stated about NaMo also holds true for Pakistan, namely, actions have consequences. While India, Hamid Karzai & Ashraf Ghani will all reap the whirlwind, Pakistan on the other hand will be sliding deeper amidst a whirlpool.

As for India’s diverse industrial infrastructure development programmes, they began way back in the previous decade, compared to what China has been able to offer but has not yet begun doing anything. Therefore, India is tens of miles ahead of China & light-years ahead of Pakistan. Don’t believe me? Then do read this & sulk some more over the weekend:

http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/india-powers-kabul/524782/

http://tdworld.com/overhead-transmission/afghanistan-builds-new-110-kv-transmission-line

http://ris.org.in/images/RIS_images/pdf/FIDC_AFG_Gulshan_Aug%202013%20(1).pdf

To JAMES: I have already stated & explained several times before how the IAF will end up with far more Rafales than the figure of 36.

To ABHAY JAIN: The following will answer most of your questions on the Gurdaspur terror attacks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UqKfLFMws0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuIvKUjueTA

While these will help you understand the recent developments in the Af-Pak region:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tmUEhXsiGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyJMDKSFHkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQuaVFzy8w&hd=1

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