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Wednesday, December 8, 2021

From Astra-1 BVRAAM to QR-SAM To SR-SAM To Akash-NG SL-QRM

 Astra-1 BVRAAM

Army-Specific QR-SAM

Navy-Specific VL SR-SAM
Air Force-Specific Akash-NG SL-QRM

Here is the soundbyte from the Pakistan Information Minister, saying it will be the JS-10:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YljgMgD5CeA

In reality, it will be the J-10CE MRCA, which is the export designation of ex-PLAAF J-10B variant, whose poster I have uploaded below. The PAF’s decision to acquire them were known last year itself, as evidenced by this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exj8iYUkh5o

In fact, I had written late last year itself in FORCE magazine that a PAF contingent had arrived in November 2020 at the PLAAF’s flight-test/evaluation & operational conversion air base at Dingxin (40.4014015 N, 99.7893982 E) for operational conversion to the J-10B, which uses the KLJ-7 (Type-1478) MMR developed by CETC’s 14th Research Institute (also known as the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology, or NRIET). The KLJ-7’s look-up detection range is 105km and look-down range is 85km, and it offers only 14 modes of operation. Efforts by the PAF to procure the Grifo-S7 (on the JF-17) for the J-10B have been unsuccessful. The PAF wanted this MMR as it has more than 30 different operational modes offered to support air-to-air and air-to-surface missions, and navigation. Utilising low, medium and high PRF for optimal target detection in any clutter condition, and incorporating adaptive pulse compression technology, this air-cooled MMR has a scanning coverage +/-60 degrees in both azimuth and elevation, weighs less than 120kg and has a MTBF in excess of 220 hours. Look-up detection range is 150km, while look-down range is 100km. Up to 10 targets can be tracked in TWS mode.

The PL-10E SRAAM (see uploaded poster above) is in reality a re-engineered variant of the LUCH-developed ‘Gran’ (Verge) from Ukraine. The latter was first showcased back in 2006. The Gran incorporates a PR-611 combined aerodynamic and gas dynamic control system. The missile is 2.5 metres long, 170mm in diameter, weighs 105kg and its aerodynamic scheme uses cruciform wings of long chord and narrow span, plus cruciform tail surfaces—all also found on the PL-10E, which is intended to allow all-aspect engagement of highly manoeuvrable airborne targets (up to 12 G) flying at speeds of up to 1,500 Knots and altitudes of 65,000 feet. It can be launched from aircraft flying at 350-1,350 Knots, and has a maximum flight-time of 25 seconds and has a maximum range of 20km and a minimum range of 300 metres during rear-hemisphere attacks. The PL-10E features a multi-element, two-colour thermal imaging IR seeker with a 180-degree look angle and 120-degree/second track rate. High agility is provided by using body lift and thrust vector control. The inertial measurement unit (IMU) can handle up to +/-500 degrees/second) G-loads and linear accelerations up to 30 G.

The PL-12 BVRAAM (not the PL-15, which is not integrated with any J-10 variant) for the J-10B is equipped with active radar-homing seeker developed by Radionix of Ukraine (see uploaded poster below). It uses a dual-thrust solid rocket motor and can exceed Mach 4 and endure 38 G. The missile’s omnidirectional sensors are accurate to within 1 metre. Its active radar seeker is the Ka-band ‘Onyx’ from Radionix, which has a range of 25km, search area of +/-40 degrees in azimuth and elevation and offers “fire-and-forget” capabilities. It has a 24kg warhead and uses a radio proximity fuse. Initial versions of the PL-12 had used the Russia-origin Agat/Istok 9B-1350E Ku-band seekers. All the above-mentioned data had been published in the November 2021 issue of FORCE magazine.

Now to the most important data: Due to national financial bankruptsy, the PAF has been unable to secure product-support from the US for its F-16 fleet and consequently fleet cannibalisation is now being resorted to. At the same time, since Russia has not authorised China to re-export AL-31FN turbofans, China is LEASING the J-10Bs to the PAF, i.e. the PAF will not be the owner of the J-10Bs and they will be returned after China starts delivering the twin-engined Shenyang FC-35s to the PAF by 2025. This now has resulted in a severe air-defence vulnerability/gap that the PAF cannot address/fill and it is precisely due to this that the Pakistan Army has had to induct HQ-9P/FD-2000 HIMADS and LY-80E LOMADS for securing its own air-defence requirements, instead of relying on the PAF.

No variants of the FWS-10 turbofan are in service with any China-developed MRCA since the turbofan is still plagued by compressor-blade failures. Same goes for the low-TBOs (less than 80 hours) of the TVC nozzles (compared to 200 hours of those of the Su-30MKI). Hence the PAF J-10Bs won’t have them on-board, contrary to what several internet fanboys are speculating about.

195 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun,
Does Su35 and Mig 35 qualify as MMRCA, If yes then what are their chances in MRFA competition
Regards,
Chintan

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/Tender/1602/rfpfinal141021.pdf

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/indian-army-unmanned-strike-ladakh-like-high-altitude-challenges-1885206-2021-12-07

Kalyani ECARS: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V424Xogi4ac/XkIJlb1fYDI/AAAAAAAASkc/niSWTNRu_FAJv8iToM3lMpu7akvJ32SggCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Kalyani%2BGroup-developed%2BUnmanned%2BATV-2.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-unoWAlbdIyE/XkIJmOMiFCI/AAAAAAAASkg/k89rgHIi5LEsdvGAT-WXQ56TbxaWepwIQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Kalyani%2BGroup-developed%2BUnmanned%2BATV-1.jpg

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CHINTAN: Su-35 is H-MRCA while MiG-35 is M-MRCA. Kindly rest assured that the MWF will emerge as the MRFA.

Kaustav said...

Prasunda

RIGHT AS USUAL YOU ARE SIR, BOTH ON AFSPA, DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OF ARMY (MILITARY) INVOLVEMENT IN CI/COIN OPS

And ON THE LIMITED UTILITY OF LEGACY HALE/MALE SLOW DRONES IN CONTESTED AIRSPACE 👇
Eurasian Times, maybe, but the article covers fairly well the vulnerability of Drones, even Reaper/Preadator drones against Nations like PRC or Russia or any nation with a reasonable AD setup which will result in contested airspace. New generation tech is required not only by the US but India too. Reaper & Guardian Drones are not going to cut it during war & would be the first to be shot down in event of hostilities or even tensions such as airspace or ADIZ violations.

https://eurasiantimes.com/us-air-force-announces-massive-decommissioning-of-assets-mq-9-drones-f-16-fighters-c-130-planes-in-the-axe-list/

SR said...

Good Morning Dada,

we are not hearing Astra MK2 updates at all, earlier there was news that the missile will be completing its trails by end of this year, but there is no update. Is Astra MK1 still using old Russian sensor or new local Aesa based sensor? Kindly let us know.
Thanks
Srini

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,
According to Euroasia news USA is going to mothball her entire fleet of C130 and A10 in medium term. Should we not procure atleast 4,0 second hand C130 for IAF and atleast one squadron of A10 for Central Paramilitary for anti terrorist operations. I personally believe ( like you ) that paramilitary is for internal security and Military is for external security. So paramilitary should have an air arm and as well as small artillary unit consisting howitzer like Bharat 105.
Best regards

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

looks like IAF is indeed going for 50 more u30mki beside 12 more agreed now, but it still is well below the 350 mark

thanks
Joydepp Ghosh

Glaginye said...

Prasunda,

IAF is to start User Trials of Uttam Aesa Radar soon. Your thoughts on this & possible timelines for clearing for production & mounting.

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun sir,
Read an article on desi aesa radar built for mk1a being ready for user trials and already there are talks of replacing radars on su30, mig29 with variants of the uttam aesa radar. Seems unbelievable to me. Even if we manage to design an develope it, do we have the industrial capacity and financial strength to build 500+ radars in 3 - 5 different configurations and mission computers and install them on allmost 70% the IAF fleet?

More reasonable would be to expect it to go on the last 40-50 lca mk1a and be mature by the time the mwf is ready in the 2030s

What are your thoughts on this.

Also,whats the likelihood of the indian navy ordering an additional squadron of mig 29k for ins vikrant instead of all this talk of rafale-m and super hornets?
Wouldn't it be the most common sense things to do?

Thanks and regards.

-Dr KRG

Kaustav said...

Prasunda

I m sure the AW-101 copters will be missed badly today as the Russian MI helicopter crashed in TN with CDS, wife & a Brigadier on board.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/breaking-news-live-updates-latest-covid-omicron-parliament-nagaland-farmers-protest-modi-tikait-1885323-2021-12-08


Or is it more 5GW by PRC to breakdown the morale?! Heh Heh, we don't need PRC, do we! NE & AR is having a bad patch or more 5GW anyway. And speaking of Conspiracy theories losing out on the farm laws & inviting anarchy by crawling when asked to bend giving into unreasonable illegal demands by these leftist brigands disguised as farmers doing PRC's bid to derail reforms PRC carried out 3 decades ago, so that they can discredit India

rad said...

hi prasun
Bipin rawat
the weather in tamil nad is horrible and we have never expericance such rain . Rain has been incessant in the nilgiri region and land slips are occuring .
Needless to say the weather would be worse in high altitude and up draft and down drafts that are impossible to recover from will occur .
so even though the chopper being a vip chopper manned by the best pilots,we cant over come nature .
i have witnessed paragliding pilots being sucked into the sky for 8000 ft .

The Sanatani Bhartiya said...

Prasun,
1) Your analysis of Putin's visit please!
2) What is likely to happen in Leh now?
3) OIC meet in Pakistan?Your take
please!
4)What is happening between Putin and Biden?
5)Are we purchasing more radars from the Israelis for the anti BMD network?Is the IAF ADGEs network also being upgraded in order to add the S400 into the system?

The Sanatani Bhartiya said...

Prasun,
Please compare the performance of the above mentioned missile systems to what is available with other countries specifically the Chinks and the Pakis?What happened to the antitank missiles being developed by DRDO?

buddha said...

Does This crash derail armed force restructuring and theatre command formation...And seriously posing security risk of Nuclear command in Russian Helicopter..
Condolence for family of the departed soul . Rest in Peace ...Om shanti..

Millard Keyes said...

Good on you Buddha. We need to remember these are human beings and it is doubly sad when they lose lives in peace time.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SRINI: Astra-2 ramjet-powered BVRAAM’s various sub-systems are still in the developmental & hence a definitive Astra-2 won’t be available till 2027.

To PARTHASARATHI: The procurement of 56 C-295s will likely prevent the IAF from procuring additional C-130Js, unless additional financial resources are made available. Ideally, the IAF ought to be operating no less than 24 C-130J-30 Super Hercules & no less than 16 C-17A Globemaster IIs.

To GLAGINYA & Dr.KRG: LoLz! Here’s the actual news-report that is causing nonsensical speculation:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/iaf-to-showcase-use-of-indigenous-aesa-radar-101638924141445.html

It clearly states that the ‘Uttam’ AESA=-MMR will ONLY be offered for demonstrations to the IAF, and not for user-trials, which are expected to commence only by 2025. Meanwhile, internet fanboys are yet again engaging in delusional banter WRT this image of a China-origin radar antenna that is being mistakenly labelled as an AESA-MMR when in reality it is a radar featuring a cassegrain antenna reflector:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGF4Z3UXsActERV?format=jpg&name=large

To KAUSTAV, RAD & RAJESH MISHRA: India had in 2008 signed a contract with Russia to induct 80 Mi-17V-5s. The contract was later expanded for delivery of 151 Mi-17V-5s. The first batch of these came to India in September 2011. In February 2012, the IAF had formally inducted Mi-17V-5s. The Mi-17V-5 has the new PKV-8 autopilot system and a KNEI-8 avionics suite.

An IAF Mi-17V-5 crash-landed in eastern Arunachal Pradesh on November 8, 2021. However, the two pilots and three crew members suffered just minor injuries. On April 3, 2018, an IAF Mi-17V-5 crashed near the Kedarnath shrine in Uttarakhand. On October 7, 2017, an IAF Mi-17V-5 crashed near Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh, killing all seven armed forces personnel on board. On June 15, 2013, one Mi-17V-5 crashed while returning from Kedarnath on a rescue mission during the Uttarakhand floods. A total of eight people, including five crew members, were killed in this accident. Nine IAF personnel were killed around 10km from Jamnagar airbase in Gujarat on August 30, 2012, when two Mi-17V-5s crashed into each other. Twelve defence personnel were killed on November 19, 2010, when a Mi-17V-5 carrying them crashed near Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh.

Coming now to yesterday’s fatal Mi-17V-5 fatal crash, the consensus based on local eye-witnesses & visuals of the helicopter’s wreckage seems to be that the prevalence of low cumulour clouds & mist over the crash site led to judgmental errors being made by the aircrew, which led to miscalculations of the rate of descent during the rather steep final approach towards the helipad at Wellington. There have been similar crashes of the Mi-17V-5 in the past in both Uttarakhand & Arunachal Pradesh. Were all these avoidable? Definitely, according to me. Essentially, three types of on-board mission avionics are reqd for ensuring flight-safety when flying in bad weather/low visibility conditions over mountainous terrain:

Traffic Collision Avoidance System (TCAS):

https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/media/advisory_circular/tcas%20ii%20v7.1%20intro%20booklet.pdf

Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS):

https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/media/advisory_circular/tcas%20ii%20v7.1%20intro%20booklet.pdf

Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT) Beacon: https://elbitsystems.com/media/PRC-648-1.pdf

For those helicopters designated for VVIP transport, the above 3 avionics are MANDATORY, but it remains to be seen if any of them were installed on-board such Mi-17V-5s. In my view, ALL helicopters—civil & military--without exception ought to have such on-board avionics.

And here’s an excellent air-crash investigation documentary of a fatal RAF Ch-47 air-crash that had taken place due to aircrew judgmental errors being made by the aircrew under conditions of low visibility:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giyw0p8EhL0

sbm said...

Thanks for posting those interesting photos and slides.
Some questions:
1) What does SL-QRM mean?
2) What are the performance parameters for the Akash NG? Range? Ceiling?
3) For the BMD network being established by the IAF, what will the primary interceptors be in the short term (i.e. when operational from 2023), just the S-400?
4) I know you've answered this before somewhere (but for the life of me I can't find it), how many launchers will be in the five squadrons? Each with two flights of eight quad
launchers each?
Thanks

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) Will the change of CDS result in slowing/change of direction of the reforms Gen. Rawat was pursuing as CDS ?

2) Could the recent helicopter crash in Wellington have been due to sabotage ?

3) Praveen Sawnhey recommends cancelling these reforms altogether. Is he a propagandist for China/Pak and other such inimical forces ?

Satyaki

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: 1) SL-QRM = Surface-Launched Quick-Reaction Missile. It is the iAF’s projhect designation for SHORADS, just lke the IA’s designation of QR-SAM & IN’s designation of VL-SR-SAM. 2) They were given here:

https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2021/01/iaf-specific-akash-ng-e-shorads.html

3) This: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qSYty69vXMQ/W7qEWDXJz4I/AAAAAAAAPvE/AQ7UjJrfiRA6LveXtvrqwCVw7pCDUjLrACLcBGAs/s1600/40N6E%2BLR-SAM-1.jpg

4) The elementary composition is 4 TELs (16 launch-tubes) per Battery/Flight. However, it is the mission that sictates the overall deployment foorprint. For instance, a BMD-specific mission will requirement a different foorprint in terms of deployment density, whereas an airspace denial mission targeting hostile AEW & CS platforms will require a far less denser but greater footprint in terms of lateral frontage & depth.

To SATYAKI: 1) Institutional reforms are always the end-products of collegiate-specific processes & are not directed or dictated by personalities. As I had explained before, the projected restructurings were proposed way back in 1972 & all that the CDS had done was remove the dust from those proposals & re-table them again. 2) Not at all, since the record of fatal Mi-17V-5 crashes I’ve outlined above amply proves that human judgmental errors have been the constant factor in such crashes. 3) You will have to ask him for clarifications, since I’m not in control of his thought processes nor do I dictate/influence them.

The Sanatani Bhartiya said...

Prasun,
Is there any defence against cruise missiles of the Chinks/Pakis being envisaged?If so please clarify?

Hardik Thanki said...

Hi Prasunji,

What is the sonar suite on Kalavari class, I can't find any mention of it anywhere including your previous blogs?


Thanks & Regards

Hardik Thanki

sbm said...

Thank you. Much appreciated. I didn't see any details of the Akash NG ceiling. However, my limited inquiries have suggested a range of 40km and a ceiling of 18-20km (just like the Akash-1/-1S/-1Prime). Would that be fair?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To THEINDIAN: The QR-SAM, SR-SAM & SL-QRM are all meant for intercepting low-level airborne targets, be they cruise missiles or combat aircraft.

To HARDIK THANKI: You will find the data here:

https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2017/12/ins-kalvari-s-21-ssks-on-board-systems.html

To SBM: There was never any need for the Akash-NG to match the Akash-1S in performance parameters because the Akash-NG is a quick-reaction SAM meant for intercepting low-flying & manoeuvrable airborne targets & even gliding/powered standoff PGMs, i.e. within 43 seconds of the TEL being alerted for undertaking the interception. Akash-1/-1S TELs on the other hand take more than a minute to be activated. In addition, their SAM airframes are not capable of pulling off the kind of G forces reqd for intercepting low-flying & manoeuvring targets. Consequently, as a quick-reaction SHORADS, the Akash-NG's effective interception range will not exceed 35km.

Soumya Ray said...

Hello Prasun ji
1. A couple of days back Navy inducted INS Vishakhapatnam with BHEL provided ‘upgraded 76/62 SRGM’. What was that upgradation that was publicized? Is it just its integration with Scanter radar?
2. For quite some time Navy has been chasing Mk. 45 naval gun system which failed to materialize. On the other hand, ARDE has developed a rifled 120mm barrel for Arjun Mk1A and in process of developing 120 smoothbore for Mk2? Why hasn’t IN collaborated with DRDO & BHEL to develop a higher calibre naval gun system or the plan is afoot? What are the technological challenges involved?
3. Will Arjun Mk2 in development feature an active protection system? What is IA’s thoughts over it?
4. Recently, GRSE launched Sandhayak class survey vessel for coastal & deep-water hydrographic survey. Can you share detail of its onboard systems?
5. https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/naval-news/naval-news-archive/2021/10240-naval-news-july-2021-navy-forces-maritime-defense-industry/10483-indian-navy-to-develop-use-of-uuv-unmanned-underwater-vehicles.html Is this has some relation with Sandhayak class?
6. French, Royal Navy, New Zealand Navy, Latvian Navy, JMSDF, etc. have both tested and inducted UUVs/AUVs for mine warfare. Is IN or DRDO being pursuant in this field of countering underwater threats on its newer class corvettes, frigates or destroyers by using UUVs/AUVs/USVs?
7. Are there any offset commitments under S400 deal?
8. At Sea Air Space 2019, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries unveiled their “Advanced Integrated CIC” that features a 360°Augmented Reality arrangement of multifunction consoles. JMSDF incorporated that in Project 30FFM Frigates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6gBX-k52mE @3:58. What are your thoughts? What is the current setup provided by BEL built CMS?
9. How standalone ToT agreements (not part offset commitment) take place – from scouting to purchase?
10. Turkish arms industry has been taking long strides in terms of their weapon developments, tests and exhibitions - particularly in the field of UAVs, AD/AA, BVRAAM, AShM, PGMs, Shipbuilding (domestic as well as foreign customers such as Ukraine, Qatar, Nigeria, Pakistan), torpedo, radar - by state-owned companies like Havelsan, Aselsan, Roketsan. They have been far more visible at international arms trade fairs than Indian industries. What is your comprehensive assessment of their capabilities and product portfolio? Are they benefitting from their relationship with American, EU, Russian and Chinese companies?
11. What is the nature of Turkey’s fundamental research in military technologies – in semiconductors, material sciences, cryogenics, propulsion systems, EW, aerospace, biotechnology, nanotechnology & robotics?
12. What is your understanding of capabilities Roketsan’s ATMACA AShM, Aselsan’s HISAR-A & -O, Tubitak-Sage’s SOM, Meketsan Sonar Suite and GOKTUG family of BVRAAMs & WVRAAMS? Did US approved of BVRAAM integration with F-16?
13. Does IAF's Mil Mi-17V-5 come with weather radar, EO pods & inertial navigation? IF not, aren't sine qua non?

sbm said...

Thanks. And its ceiling?

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,
Recently Navy had shown some interest on Lithium Ion batteries for submarines. Any update on that ? Japan's subs are all operated by Lithium ion battery. Why can't we ask technology from them ? A lithium ion battery is almost three time power dence than Lead acid batteries.
Best regards

Millard Keyes said...

Indian defence acquisition is like eating at a buffet meal. Pick and choose! There is still a huge gap in quick mobility and launch vehicles. Seeing they love reinventing the wheel, why do they not make use of the existing old tanks like you said to convert them into mine sweepers, breech loaded mortars, and reengine them with some modern electronics and use them as light tanks instead of constantly stirring up prospective se4llers into some frenzy of mega deals? How is it there are no vehicles like the whap, BMPT Terminator, The Spear for example?

hoods007 said...

Hi Prasun

1. the Pharos Ka Band FCR, which is supposed to be a Bel-Thales JV is a Planar array radar or PESA or a AESA FCR? In what way is it more advanced compared to the Lynx U2 FCR.

2. Can a modified version of Akash Ng with 70 Km range replace the Barak 8 in navy when barak missiles shelf life gets over and similarly can the on order barak 8 missiles be upgraded with AESA KU band seeker of Akash NG missile? Similarly can the in-development XRSAM be substituted for Barak 8 ER on naval ships.

hoods007 said...

hi prasun

korean FFX Batch-III is supposed to employ a aesa radar system similar in shape to the one on kolkata class. but the korean one is supposed to be a dual S/X band, combining volume search of S band with X BAND FCR functions on a single radar face and not side by side or up down position like in other integrated masts. is that possible ? would it not cause electronic interference.

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

Please share your views on increasing the jurisdiction of BSF from currently 15 km to 50 km. Against the decision, Punjab government has already appealed in SC. Who is correct and who is wrong? What's the motto behind increasing the jurisdiction limit? Please enlighten us about it.

Chanakya Chatterjee said...

Hey Millard

Do come and enjoy a Bengali buffet or any Indian buffet ... It's a privilege ... U won't get it till you have been a part of it

Just_curious said...

4- what is the correct range for sant? How does it compare to spike fly of missiles..

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SOUMYA RAY: 1) Yes. 2) Indigenous development of such guns is a low priority due to the small numbers reqd. 3) Yes. RAFAEL’s Trophy suite is on offer through the Kalyani-RAFAEL JV. 4 & 5) UUVs for seabed mapping are already in service since the past 8 years & they belong to the HUGINS family supplied by Norway’s Kongsberg. 6) UUVs for mnehunting & neutralisation have been procured from France’s ECA Group. 7) None. 8) BEL-supplied CMS suites are a generation behind those of the US & Japan. 9) Such agreements are part of life-cycle product-support packages, plus integration with existing networks, like IACCCS. 10, 11 & 12) Turkey being part of NATO was never constrained by technolpogical embargoes like MTCR regime, while India was from 1984 till 2017. That’s why Turkey never felt the need for conducting fundamental R & D. 13) Yes, but optronic pods have not yet been installed on all Mi-17V-5s. Weather radar for all Mi-17V-5s & Dhruv/Rudras is the RDR-1600:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fKN3uRFNe0g/UR6mnsU9qfI/AAAAAAAAEKo/X_5OMm-3TL8/s1600/MAHINDRA-Telephonics+Weather+Radar-1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KyKam02BXMU/UR6nQnBll_I/AAAAAAAAELc/BB9UhzGcbaE/s1600/MAHINDRA-Telephonics+Weather+Radar-2.jpg

To SBM: As explained earlier, the same as those of QR-SAM & VL-SR-SAM, i.e. 6km.

To PARTHASARATHI: Options are still being explored & a final decision will be made only by 2023.

To HOODS007: 1) Here’s all the data on the PHAROS:

https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/database/document/2021-04/PHAROS-V04.pdf

2) Where’s the need for replacing the Barak-8 when it is already a ‘Made in India’ SAM? 3) Integrated masts can house different active phased-array radar antennae operating in the L, S & X bandwidths.

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) Looks bizarre. Any nose-mounted AESA antenna with multiple TRMs can easily operate several modes at the same time. 2) Not more than 7km.

To ASD: There’s nothing wrong with the BSF’s increased operating footprint, since in the end the FIRs will have to be filed only at the local State Police stations.

Millard Keyes said...

Chanakya Chatterjee- thanks very much buddy but remember what Prasun said- never ASSUME anything. Computers are such that you never know who I am really. Am I an Indian? What if I am actually a thorough bred Bengali who lived in Kolkata since birth? What if my father's family had Kolkata High Court justices in fact - possibilities are endless LOLLZZZ

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

I'm asking this question out of curiosity. As of now the way electric vehicles are emerging, the day will come gulf countries will face the wrath of it. Their oil business will come down severely. Will it impact the terror financing from gulf countries who support Wahhabism? What did motivate Saudi Arabia to ban Tablighi Jamaat? Why is SA adopting reformation after a longtime distancing from hardcore islamic dictates? Please throw some light upon it.

hoods007 said...

Prasun

1. Aussies have decided to ditch the NH 90 chopper( both army an naval version) for UH 60 blackhawk and naval romeos due to high maintenance and operating cost. but NH 90 are supposed to be better than any version of blackhawk because they have fly by wire which theoretically have less mechanical moving parts and being digital in nature , any problems would be easier to diagnose and monitor not to mention lighter. So what went wrong? or is it just a cover for the Australians to switch form a European military industrial complex to US MIC.

2. US will switch to fly by wire by 2030. Is fly by wire worth it? and should HAL go down that path for IMRH mk 2. Since HAL+ADA did develop fly by wire for tejas does India have the technical capability to develop FBW for helicopter in a cost effective and timely manner.

just_curious said...

prasun,

1- During Putin’s visit, the two sides also failed to clinch the long-anticipated Reciprocal Exchange of Logistics Agreement (RELOS)? is the US the elephant in the room?

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,
India should buy Naval NH90s for Indian Navy. This is a life time opportunity. Airbus Tata consortium should work as maintenance center.
Best regards

Kaustav said...

Prasunda

No doubt a fanboy farticle & a translated one at that but the figure of 24 hypersonic Tsirkon/Zircon AshMs is interesting.

https://viewer24.com/how-to-sink-u-s-aircraft-carrier-only-one-country-can-do/

Rajdeep said...

Hi Prasun,

Had a bunch of naval queries.
1) Thanks for sharing the Scorpene fitments link. Can you point us to the Delhi class upgrades post you had a while back as well. Couldn't search for it and there was another request for the same earlier.
2) It seems the navy is going in of the Skimmer package from IAI for the Ka-28 upgrades. Why couldn't the Dhruv Mk-3 naval/CG suite be tweaked for this? Is it that we can't integrate the dunking sonar/sono-buoys and the likes?
3) Can submarines fire torpedoes from their max. dive depth?
4) Why do we shove in as many RBU-6000 launchers on as many warships as we can(The Germans have a fetish for shoving RAM block2s on their ships). With a 6Km range what protection does it realistically provide against submarines.
5) What advantages do integrated electric propulsion offer: Is it just better fuel efficiency or something more like cheaper through the life cycle
6) The Ak-630s that we have, along with the old/new FCR radar does it have automatic target tracking/engagement ability. So is it comparable to the Phalanx/Goalkeeper?

with regards,
Rajdeep

Just_curious said...

Prasun,
Can you pls share details abt smart rocket assisted torpedo.. how can drdo claim a range of 650 kms when similar systems from IS and Russia have ranges of 22 kms & 50 kms .what are its specifications?

Millard Keyes said...

Australian contract with ROK for K9 states "this initial contract covers 30 Self-Propelled Howitzers, 15 Armoured Ammunition Resupply Vehicles, and weapon locating radars that help find enemy artillery, collectively referred to as the Huntsman family of vehicles." Almost everyone who signed up for this did exactly the same except INDIA. It's like building a house without a kitchen or a toilet!

Anonymous said...

Is there any change the PAF would get the J-10C ?

Kritavarma

Chanakya Chatterjee said...

If the Pak army can get TLP and TTP in control and china is assured of safety, then China would put some advanced fighters in Pakistan ... In some way or the other ... It's the only way fully loaded Chinki jets can get airborne this side of the Himalayas

just_curious said...

Prasun,

So much for the "protector" of democracy --Gravitas: U.S. censors Taiwan at Summit for Democracies.. can the US ever be relied upon ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1470721043497041921

The faceoff was at the twin lakes below Zikyen La/Zhabu La: 29 7 27.36 N, 95 26 35.32 E. There are two lakes downstream of the pass called Deza Nyam Tso & Chhong Nyam Tso, at the head of the Iphi river valley, which later flows into Emra and on to Dibang near Etalin.

ATV for SFF Recce: https://twitter.com/i/status/1463180356765446150

Mi-17V-5 with Starboard FLIR Pod: https://twitter.com/i/status/1461985855455694851

Varun said...

Sir, what is the max range of VL-SRSAM? There are some reports that a truck mounted system will also be developed for IAF and IA.

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,
Can any Navy in the world can target a underwater submarine 500 - 600 kilometres away ! If yes then no-one will built any submarine!
I personally feel something is wrong here !
Best regards

Satya said...

Prasun da, seems like Russia is too eager to supply the S-500 to us. Russia's deputy PM has again said that India can be the first foreign customer of the S-500 after it is supplied to the Russian forces. Apart from him, the director of Russian federal service for Military Technical cooperation has also said that India could be the first customer. These repeated statements in the media indicates that some initial discussion regarding the supply of the S-500 has already taken place between both the sides.

Many years ago there were reports of DRDO developing 2 new hypersonic interceptor missiles under it's BMD phase 2 program called AD-1 and AD-2 to shoot down ICBMs and hypersonic missiles. What is the status of that?

Millard Keyes said...

It's hilarious! CF MOTO is a Chinese company!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SATYA: As I had explained before, the S-400 LR-SAM system can easily accommodate the new-generation SAMs of the S-500 system.

To PARTHASARATHI & JUST_CURIOUS: It makes sense ONLY IF the SMART is to be used as a quick-reaction ASW killer, i.e. as a shore-based lightweight torpedo launcher that delivers the LWT up to a coastline’s horizon. If used for delivering LWTs out to a range of 200km—SSBN operating areas east of Vizag in the Bay of Bengal—then a salvo (up to 3) of such missiles will have to be fired. Anything beyond that & it will be impossible & cost-prohibitive to get a real-time fix of the targetted submarine’s location. In such conditions, it will be far more cost-effective for either a LRMR/ASW aircraft or a MALE-UAV to launch the LWTs despite their loitering periods.

To VARUN: The same as that of the QR-SAM. All talk of a truck-mounted variant of VL-SR-SAM is pure internet fanboy speculation.

To CHANAKYA CHATTERJEE: Analysis of on-going protests in Gwadar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HruVtqNQ96o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQK7QWo364U

To KRITAVARMA: None.

To RAJDEEP: 1) Bulk of the upgrades will involve the installation of those very suites that ae on board the Project 15A & 15B DDGs. 2) Is there any such suite in existence? RAFAEL’s website contains no such data. 3) Of course not. Can any torpedo’s body withstand the same pressure-loads as a submarine hull built of titanium? 4) Twin RBU launchers cannot qualify as being too many. 5) All of them, plus weight & space/volume savings. 6) Yes.

To KAUSTAV: Back in late 1991 when I had met technocrats of Russia’s RADUGA at a naval expo in Southeast Asia, they had shared documentation with me which showed that up to 24 3M80 Moskit/Kh-41 Zubr supersonic ASCMs will have to be salvo-fired by a combination of SSGNs & Tu-22M2 bombes in order to fully overwhelm the air-defences of a USN carrier battle group. I had then written about it as well. The internet fanboys must have picked up the figure of 24 from there & then applied it to the Zircon.

PLAAF & PLANAF ADIZ Intrusions Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN-bSt7WRzI

To PARTHASARATHI & HOODS007: The NH-90 becomes an expensive proposition for those navies that want inter-operability with the US Navy. Therefore, in Australia’s case, opting for newer variants of the Seahawk makes perfect sense since the US Navy’s forward operating assets meant for the South Pacific will be based in northern Australia & will therefore be accompanied by MRO facilities as well. In comparison, Airbus Military’s nearest MRO facility for helicopters is located in Singapore!

To HOODS007: Not fly-by-wire, but fly-by-light, i.e. usage of fibre-optic cables.

Analysis of the IAF’s Mi-17V5 Crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQZG7L70B8

IA MBTs Showcased in Chennai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWNbc3D49g

And related hilarious conspiracy-theories: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gRu6qQD-JQ

john said...

Hi,

https://ecatorders.com/

Pls do an analysis on this product. I am following this tech for a long time and the product is ready to order now, provided they get 1 million orders.

Developed by Italian scientist Andre Rossi and manufactured by Leonardo Corp, unit price is $249 and the size is unbelievably small.

John

john said...

Hi,

Continued..

https://e-catworld.com/2021/12/10/interview-with-andrea-rossi-november-26-2021/

Interview with Andre Rossi.

The product domed on Dec 9th and so far they collected order for 100,000 pcs

John

Raghu said...

Hi Prasun

The following seems to be the skimmer allegedly meant for Ka-28 upgrade.

https://www.iai.co.il/p/skimmer

Has the Indian navy confirmed this upgrade or is this news just speculation? In any case, can such a comprehensive upgrade using Israeli subsystems be undertaken without permission from the Russians and withouth their assistance and inputs?

With Regards,

Raghu

Kaustav said...

Prasunda

Thanks as usual ofcourse, what with RM declaring Hypersonic Strike capabilities needed ASAP & with nut case SMARTass tests in progress, our indigenous development needs are as usual not quite upto the mark, as much as we may deride the Chinese who have to deploy what they have since they lack options. However, fundamental research is something I do believe, the Chinese do have a solid lead now since they have invested into it unlike India.

Meanwhile, we are in good company since even the US seems to have given up on it's equivalent of the Spike ER NLOS after a decade & instead decided to buy from Israel
https://viewer24.com/have-israeli-spike-missiles-made-the-apache-helicopter-too-d%E1%B4%87%E1%B4%80%E1%B4%85%CA%9F%CA%8F/


Maybe the Indians also are on theright track both with Zircon & Spike, though ofcourse we may persist with the HSDTV concept or deployable versions of SANT as with the HELINA which is within it's limitations a good Heliborne ATGM by all accounts.

The SANT will ofcourse take time, though it seems promising

Can you give an update on such missile programs which are needed in numbers by the Indian Military?

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,
Many thanks for answering my questions. Just a query, can we weld titanium with steel ? If yes then if we cover a sub with titanium sheet then it's magnetic signature will be reduced greatly.
Best regards

Satya said...

You have already said many times that Russia will supply 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 missiles but what about the development status of hypersonic interceptors AD-1 and AD-2 that DRDO is working on? Can DRDO develop missiles that are comparable to S-500 and S-550 interceptors given the fact that the IAF rejected AAD and PAD in the past and had opted for S-400?

Rajdeep said...

Hi Prasun,

Thanks for the answers. A quick follow-up if you don't mind.
2) The Skimmer thingy seems to be marketed by IAI naval https://www.iai.co.il/p/skimmer though the details are rather thin ie what the precise radar is, the optronic package ...
3) I thought so too, so effectively if a submarine is operating at depth the only way to engage them is with depth charges, which the RBU-6000 delivers is our case? So such a submarine, operating beyond a certain depth, poses no threat to a surface ship as it can't fire torpedoes/missiles?
4) Right, but was wondering given the space it occupies above deck and below, wouldn't it make more sense to ditch these for 16 more LRSAMs?

with regards,
Rajdeep

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1-ISRO testing new space satellite,, seems like they have the right idea on how to use it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=102Xzj-YauA
2-Should India reciprocate France Indo-Pacific relationship with Greek and Armenian strategic partnership? https://idrw.org/greek-solutions-party-censures-pakistans-deputy-speaker-over-anti-india-remarks/

Vinod J said...

A new PLI scheme for semiconductor industry has been announced by Govt. of India. If executed as planned how can it transform the nascent EMC industry in India and can we become a global player in it.

How important is it for India to get TSMC setup shop in India

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAGHU & RAJDEEP: The SKIMMER from IAI is an open-architecture mission avionics suite for both the Do-228s & NMRHs of the IN, meaning it can accommodate end-user-specified mission avionics like the Leonardo/Selex OSPREY multi-mode AESA radar, THALES Flash dunking sonar, ELBIT’s COMPASS optronic turret, etc etc.

https://www.leonardodrs.com/media/5350/osprey-mm_data-sheet.pdf

https://www.leonardo.us/hubfs/Product%20Brochures/Osprey%20AESA%20-%20Datasheet%20LQ%20(mm08527).pdf

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEV19f7XoAMXNWg.jpg

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

I'm asking this question out of curiosity. As of now the way electric vehicles are emerging, the day will come gulf countries will face the wrath of it. Their oil business will come down severely. Will it impact the terror financing from gulf countries who support Wahhabism? What did motivate Saudi Arabia to ban Tablighi Jamaat? Why is SA adopting reformation after a longtime distancing from hardcore islamic dictates? Please throw some light upon it. [I'm sorry to repeat the question as I feel that you might have missed it earlier. Please accept my apology if it's a irritating one.]

Anonymous said...

he he he https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAGFDNqiAIA

Kaustav said...

Prasunda

An elegy - General Rawat was a transformer and not a mere reformer – a tribute from a vocal critic

https://theprint.in/opinion/general-rawat-was-a-transformer-and-not-a-mere-reformer-a-tribute-from-a-vocal-critic/782482/

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KAUSTAV: Indeed, R & D needs to be accelerated on hypersonics, but equal emphasis needs to be placed on DEWs for air-defence, as explained here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGpR7KGVgAIhIkU?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGpSDT2VkAEzLGn?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGpSLqnVUAAgctA?format=png&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGpSPt9VUAI4MWp?format=png&name=900x900

To KAUSTAV & PARTHASARATHI: Yesterday, the CVRDE unveilled its home-grown 600hp diesel engine:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGq5-fbVUAEI-9n?format=jpg&name=large

And here are the other home-grown diesel engines:

Ashok Leyland 450hp Engine: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WlD8FYdAYdY/WtJ7woBnRWI/AAAAAAAAOPc/XZJRE2QG9OgsD_aedkFVuWhkP6d0S1NdgCLcBGAs/s1600/Ashok%2BLeyland%2BPowerpack%2Bfor%2BBMP-2%2BICV.jpg

Kirloskar 400hp Engine: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XtQ-RU2RDNA/Vv8HoOPo3nI/AAAAAAAAKfk/mjX5e7F2jJADhkiN2sGoOzhOoG8KOj5Ug/s1600/Kirloskar-developed%2Bdiesel%2Bengine%2Bfor%2BBMP-2%2BICV%2BUpgrade.jpg

Cummins 400hp Engine: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ictjyXDG2lw/Vv8HM81asFI/AAAAAAAAKfU/j1qUhrJ1W3w7ts-4uDC6IZwXrvFXJ8BvA/s1600/CVRDE-developed%2Bpowerpack%2Bfor%2BBMP-2%2BICV%2BUpgrade.jpg

Diesel Engine for Rustom-2 MALE-UAV: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N1lDJmLJFdY/WtKFuV-aQ1I/AAAAAAAAOYg/lMAIQwlCqj0ZZqvZw-YX-Dhaav-z1VMQQCLcBGAs/s1600/Tapas%2BMALE-UAV%2527s%2BDesi%2BDiesel%2BEngine.jpg

We must also note that though India has begun investing in homegrown UAV solutions, India’s armed forces remain totally dependent on foreign OEMs for importing expendable target drones:

https://www.qinetiq.com/en/what-we-do/target-systems/aerial-targets

Pakistan’s upgraded Agosta 90B SSKs have sonars supplied by Germany’s ATLAS Elektronik:

https://twitter.com/mahmouedgamal44/status/1471462554786582529/photo/2

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PARTHASARATHI: To date, only Russia has invested heavily in using titanium for constructing the pressure-hulls of submarines. For others, it has proven to be a cost-prohibitive proposition.

To SATYA: AD-1, AD-2, PDV & XR-SAM are all still in the developmental phase & will be available only by the end of this decade.

To RAJDEEP: 3 7 4) The RBU-6000 ASW mortars are NOT meant for attacking submarines, since the latter will be at least 25km away. Instead, the ASW mortars are for breaking the wires of the inbound wire-guided HWTs. Active-kill solutions like RAFAEL’s TORBUSTER & their follow-on advanced variants will eventually replace the RBU-6000.

https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Torbuster.pdf

To JUST_CURIOUS: Turkey’s worsening economis situation is now propelling Turkey to make peace with Armenia & also act as an honest broker for making peace between Armenia & Azebajian.

To VINOD J: The Govt of India’s investments in homegrown semiconductor foundries is dictated by the reqmts for microchips for the automotive sector. It will take India several years to locally produce high-end microchips of the type being produced by Taiwan’s TSMC. Even China has been unable to produce such high-end microchips despite spending tens of billions of US$.

To ASD: It will take at least another 50 years for fossil fuels to be discarded. Instead, there will be a gradual transition from petrol/diesel/furnace oil to LPG/LNG. This itself will enable the oil-producing countries to become LPG/LNG exporters.

High-end videos of 1971 war from BBC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWEP7XbO6H8

Discussion on 1971 War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF7LOl8p11A
Lt Gen Jake Jacob’s Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1edQEYpemD8

The Views from Pakistan on 1971 War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AztClus47mc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMM34nk200w

7 New Dangerous Threats to Pakistan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpcHzcWhCWk

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,
Thank you very much for answering my questions. As far as Japan's Mogami class frigates are concerned each of them are costing only 450 to 500 million USD.
Where are our frigates being manufactured at GRSE is costing more than a billion ! Even 5 support vessels which will be manufactured at Vizag will be costing 3 Billion. Why our shipyards are so inefficient ? And we are bidding for export ? Who will buy our ships at such a exerborient price ? And why Larsen and toubro also incompitive !
Your opinion please.
Best regards

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: LoLz! They will never admit their mistakes nor will learn anything from them & hence they will continue making such mistakes again & again.

Watch Brig Shahbaig Singh in these 2 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWEP7XbO6H8&t=201s (34.08 till 34.28)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuirDA3NK5I (7.15)

To PARTHASARATHI: IN's DPSU shipyard-built warships cost far more because of shoddy planning by the IN's DND. Consequently, while it takes a mere 2 years to build the superstructure, it takes 6 years for all the fitments to be in place. This causes millions of man-hours of extra work at the DPSU shipyards.

AMIT BISWAS said...

Are we going to place additional 2/3 sqdrn of rafales anytime this or next FY

Anway said...

Sir,

https://twitter.com/amanroutray7/status/1472121894333652992/photo/1

Raghu said...

Hi Prasun

The visit of the French defence minister is curious. What discussions took place and results were achieved?

In the below link, the Indian defence minister is quoted as having discussed and agreed with his french counterpart about manufacturing an 'Engine'.

Which engine is he talking about?

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/have-conveyed-to-us-russia-others-that-equipment-for-indian-forces-has-to-be-produced-in-india-rajnath/article37984581.ece/amp/


Regards

Raghu

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AMIT BISWAS: Certainly not in this fiscal year.

To ANWAY & RAGHU: LoLz! This is what I label as the classic ‘Aastha ki Dubki’ (plunge of the faithful) by delusional internet fanboys. SAFRAN’s offer has always been to supply the turbofan’s core section off-the-shelf & act as a consultant to the DMRL & GTRE for indigenously developed low-pressure/high-pressure turbine blades made of ceramic matrix composites (CMC) made of silicon carbide ceramic fibers and ceramic resin. And that’s exactly why GTRE has begun building a new variant of the Kaveri that incorporates such CMC components. But make no mstake: the engine core will have to be imported off-the-shelf. For those who are unaware of CMC applications, they ought to read the following:

https://www.ge.com/news/reports/hotter-air-ceramics-are-the-secret-to-lighter-faster-jet-engines

https://www.geaviation.com/press-release/military-engines/ge-successfully-tests-worlds-first-rotating-ceramic-matrix-composite

To ANUP: Not yet. It is just a project feasibility effort by HAL. The first IN MiG-29K is due for upgrade only in 2026.

Pratap said...

Sir,

1) The QRSAM has been deployed in limited numbers along the LAC for now. When will it enter into mass production?

2) When will the IAF start receiving the Barak-8 ER version? It has only been tested once in Israel.

3) How is the development of AD-1 and AD-2 progressing? Will they be similar to Arrow 4 and S-550?

4) Are 77N6-N and 77N6-N1 supposed to be interim solution till the time AD-1 and AD-2 are ready?

5) Will XRSAM be a completely new design, or will it be based on an existing missile?

6) What's the range of Akash-NG and when will it be ready for service induction?

7) Intially India was looking for 12 S-400 systems but settled for 5 latter. Are five regiments enough?

8) What's the range of Chinese HQ-16 MRSAM and HQ-9 LRSAM that Pakistan has inducted?

buddha said...

Sir what sort of supersonic cruise missile is powering so called SMART torpedo system..
With core coming from France does the proposed engine will go on AMCA or it will for future unmanned combat platform.

It sound radical when Defence minister recently calling for hypersonic weapons development but where till now Indian subsonic system is yet to complete development phase and be operationalized...
Is work in progress for proposed SSN of Indian Navy..
Few years ago Indian Navy expressed desire for Missile boat...
What weapons of land attack and antiship system will it get and how many....How is it different from other frigate or destroyer..
Two..Silly questions
..can India develop vessel of 14k ton with atleast 100 LACM of Thousand plus .with adequate antiship and anti air missile..
Can Prahar type missile with 250km range form light tonnage naval vessel be made..for coastal strike mission..

With AK 203 coming in large number can The then OFB made under trial assault rifle of 7.62×51 find any attention from armed force..

Thanks and regards...

SUJIT said...

Prasun sir, could u plz elaborate what u meant when u said the main roadblock in building an indigenous submarine is not the design but the engineering part specially from metalurgical standpoint?? Didn't we have already developed warship grade steel?? Or SSKs require different steel than warships?

Unknown said...

So Prasun when do you think India will MASTER the CORE technology?

Nikhil M said...

Hi Prasun
Is it possible for India to develop and militarize these. Will be of great help against terrorists / enemy soldiers hiding in the forest and caves.

https://youtu.be/O-2tpwW0kmU

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1- " GTRE has begun building a new variant of the Kaveri that incorporates such CMC components" can you pls elaborate on the same ... what will this be used for the marine version? specs if any? Kaveri when earlier tested had @52KN dry thrust but the specs for DRDO UCAV says 47KN , why the downgrade?
2- Porkis hosting OIC .. BAU ? they give a K stmt ,we say no locus standi... time we raise all the horrific stuff that goes on in yemen syria,terror affected african nations & the open funding they do..
3- Putin demands a dialogue with US, NATO has Russia blinked?
4- What to expect from the 3rd central asian -India meet? will it firm up the use of Chabahar by all 5?

Varun said...

Sir, is PDV the same missile that was used for the ASAT test? Will it be a truck mounted canister system? The design of the missile used in the ASAT test appears a lot different from the PDV missile when it was first test fired.

Chanakya Chatterjee said...

Prasun, In a future naval battle, satellites or drones or awacs or helis flying from ACs or naval groups will be a hundred miles or more ahead of the main force. They will spot enemy combatants including ships and aircraft over the horizon and maybe around 300 miles away from the taskforce and should be able to provide tracking data to destroyers when the enemy aircraft are around 200 miles away. With the standoff range of Antiship missiles from aircraft increasing, shouldn't we have SAMs that can engage over 200km away with tracking data from drones, helis and awacs

3rd ~ EyE said...

Hi Prasun ,

Do we have any implementation of palletized weapons for any of our cargo IAF aircraft ? like that of rapid dragon project ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ANUP: Had already stated before that the Agni-Prime is the land-launched variant of the K-5 SLBM that is still under development.

To PRATAP: 1) the ‘desi’ QR-SAM has not yet been inducted into service. Only the ‘videshi’ Spyder-SR QR-SAM is operational. 2) It has already begun entering service. 3) AD-1/AD-2 bear no resemblance to Israeli or Russian SAMs. 4) No. 5) Brand-new design. 7) The XR-SAM will make up for the remainder of the reqmt. 6) It was mentioned here:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2021/01/iaf-specific-akash-ng-e-shorads.html

8) They were revealed here:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2018/05/decoding-ex-gagan-shakti-2018.html

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2021/10/hq-9pfd-2000-himads-of-pakistan-army.html

To BUDDHA: It is the K-15/Shaurya missile. The ZIRCON/BrahMos-2 hypersonic missile is already available for series-production later this decade. Perhaps the RM isn’t aware of it. Detailed design of the SSN variant of the SSGN is already underway.

To SUJIT: Steel like DMR-249A & DMR-249B are used for hull construction. But for internal bulkhead construction, much higher strength materials are reqd, just like the skeleton of a human bofy, which is far stronger than the skin.

To UNKNOWN: Perhaps after another 15 years.

To NIKHIL M: LoLz! That’s why it is sci-fi.

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) Answer was provided on December 18, 2021 at 8:33 PM. 4) Yes. 5) Rapid Dragon-type solutions are meant for expeditionary forces that are already pre-postioned throughout the world for quick-response. For India where the targets are just across her borders, such solutions are unnecessary.

To VARUN: No, the ASAT missile is a brand=-new design. There’s no need for a road-mobile ASAT system since the targets are satellites in orbit above the IOR.

To CHANAKYA CHATTERJEE: Both subsonic & supersonic long-range ASCMs require navigational & terminal guidance updates via secure data-links, for which real-time tracking of the targetted vessels is imperative. And this cannot be done by aircraft or warships launching such missiles. The solution therefore is to rase fleets of civilian vessels that constantly monitor the movements of the targetted vessels & relay their locational coordinates by SATCOM to friendly naval fleets. This is how it was done during the Cold War & this is how it is done even today. Here are 2 examples of such civilian surveillance fleets:

https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/211118_Poling_Maritime_Militia.pdf?Y5iaJ4NT8eITSlAKTr.TWxtDHuLIq7wR

https://amti.csis.org/vietnams-maritime-militia-is-not-a-black-hole-in-the-south-china-sea/

To THE 3rd EYE: Rapid Dragon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP6xSz2mLMs

Rapid Dragon-type solutions are meant for expeditionary forces that are already pre-postioned throughout the world for quick-response. For example, the prime targets of such weapons from a US standpoint are the six reclaimed islands of China in the South China Sea. Such solutions can operate from uncontested airspace over the high seas. For India where the targets are just across her borders, such solutions are expensive & unnecessary. Instead, cost-effective cruise missiles like the HAL-proposed CATS Hunter need to be developed.

CATS HUNTER ALCM:

https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/dh/files/gallery_images/file7edb4am0juoisexs6ou.jpg

https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/Pictures/1024x536/6/7/4/76674_20210203_143707_239685.jpg

Raghu said...

Hi Prasun,

Given that there is progress with the HTSE-1200 turboshaft, what is the possibility that an indigenous engine can be developed for the IMRH which falls in the medium category weight helicopter class?

Regards

Raghu

Anway said...

Sir,

Wouldn't a little consistency be nice?

Tejas is not being inducted as a replacement of MIG-21 fighter aircraft, but as a part of modernisation of IAF

https://twitter.com/zone5aviation/status/1472893601969438720/photo/1

sbm said...

Thanks for the interesting posts.
So are the nine IAF MRSAM squadrons really using the 110km range 30km ceiling Barak-8ER missile?
Will additional squadrons be purchased?
Unrelated questions - I believe there are 4 IAF SPYDER squadrons and 8 IAF OSA-AKM squadrons in service and which version of the SPYDER is used - only SR or is MR/ER used as well?
Are any SPYDER units in service with the IA?
Thanks

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAGHU: I have yet to come across an image/photo of a fully-engineered HTSE-1200 engine that is ready fr flight-testing on a Dhruv ALH. Consequently, any talk about indigenous development of a more powerful engine for the 13-tonne IMRH will be pure wishful thinking.

To ANWAY: The main question, as I had raised earlier, ought to be: why did the IAF’s ASQRs of 1985 & 1995 specify an LCA when by the mid-1980s it was evident that future MRCA fleets would comprise only H-MRCA & M-MRCA platforms? The IAF had already exercised the M-MRCA option in the mid-1980s by opting for the Mrage-2000H/TH & MiG-29B-12 while the H-MRCA option was exercised in 1996 with the ordering of Su-30Ks. The IAF’s 1996 ASQR thus should have specified a MWF M-MRCA, while opting to order off-the-shelf 150 MiG-29Ms (forerunner of the MiG-29UPG) & 150 Su-30MKIs. Consequently, their deliveries would have been quicker & acquisition costs would have been far lower, which in turn would have made available the financial resources reqd by HAL to expand the MWF final-assembly line so as to enable the rollout of 24 MWFs by 2010. The judgmental error therefore was committed by the IAF & the MoD, and not the DRDO.

To SBM: Not at all. The IAF’s LR-SAM reqmts are limited (only 10% of the total reqmt is for the Barak-8ER) since the principal threats along the IB, LoC & LAC are of the medium-range & short-range nature. Consequently, each TEL can house both MR-SAM & LR-SAM rounds depending on the operational reqmts. Total reqmt now is for 12 Sqns. Coming now to SHORADS reqmts, a total of 180 2K12s KUB/Kvadrat TELs (only for the IA), 80 OSA-AK and 80 Strella-10M SHORADS TELs along with 48 ZSU-23-4 Schilkas were procured in the mid-1980s for both the IAF & IA. For the latter, three Corps of Air-Defence Groups were created for each of the 3 Strike Corps-sized formations. Today, the IA’s QR-SAM reqmt is for 4 Regiments (with 1,800 missiles) for replacing the OSA-AK & Strella-10M. The IA HAS NOT placed any order for SpyDer-SRs. For the IAF, only 18 Spyder-SR TELs were ordered on September 1, 2008 under a US$260 million contract & deliveries were completed only by 2017 due to the delayed delivery of BEML-TATRA trucks. These SpyDer-SRs are SL-QRMs with 15km range & 9km service ceiling.

rad said...


HI prasun
The agni prime seems to have manouverable fins at the base of the re entry vehicle. That means that the vehicle manouvers at hypersonic speeds as well. alot of research must have go ne into it . So do we have the base research and data on hypersonic vehicle that will help us equal the chinese .?
how far can the chinese stooge in maldives Yameen cpme back , why is rthis suden anti Inida phobia being kicked up,

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1. If the Agni-P is the land launched version of the K-5, does the K-5 also have a 1000-2000 km range ? What is the point of such a low range for an SLBM when >3000 km range is required to reach Chinese cities from the Bay of Bengal ?

2. Has'nt the Agni-P only been tested with a single warhead so far ?

T9BK8

Hardik Thanki said...

Hi Prasunji,

What will be application of Dry Version of Kaveri Engine assuming that it will be a success?

Can it be used for Transport Aircraft & Civilian Aircraft?

Thanks & Regards

Hardik Thanki

Sanjeev said...

India today inducted next generation armored recon vehicle. Any details on what’s next gen about it?

Sanjeev said...

Bharat Forge’s multi terrain artillery gun unveiled. Any chances of it being ordered?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: The re-entry vehicle of the Agni-Prime is like a hypersonic glide vehicle. Inside it MIRVs can be accommodated & they can be launched from an altitude of 60km.

To T9BK8: The short answer: Agni-Prime has a range greater than 2,000km. The warhead section of the missile can accommodate MIRVs as well as decoys.

To HARDIK THANKI: Yes, it can have applications as a non-afterburning turbofan for HALE-UAVs as well as 30-seat regional commuter aircraft.

To SANJEEV: No, it wasn’t a recon vehicle as such: Here are the details:

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1783990

NG-AERV: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHIwS1mVEAY0oHv?format=jpg&name=large

This is the recon version of the BMP-2K ICV:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uGHGMPuIYro/Xjlg9YanXNI/AAAAAAAASa8/7vNDN1yJxzIDeF4QbIcpXeKwkryYhMzfwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/OFB-upgraded%2BBMP-2%2BICV-1.jpg

And this too was unveiled yesterday:

https://twitter.com/DRDO_India/status/1472568196100091904

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h9xtcEuvnUs/XG0rVx_i0GI/AAAAAAAAQr0/Gu7VPJALFu4XHt-VwWoynrzB-02_RHJMwCLcBGAs/s1600/Passive%2BRadar%2Bfrom%2BBEL-THALES.jpg

It is a passive surveillance system meant for use by the IAF.

This is Bharat Forge/Kalyani MArG:

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEi4vQzwrTICxddo6qjJe5lnZSzSNYre5fm5f9nwL_HKven4uDhWB1gitDH8D7eOV4MtyZtacp54z9tJVQNez3C1YLFd0KGwQgr9iqC0kUeIVyPR20MAeJ5Ch_TKF4bY2PAhbXagQC3M_NtrJlmvW2ChXEwpwReVYE6lOhHzwzcRwdAgBuS3UbaMOiWk=s2932

It has been developed since 2017 for meeting a specific IA reqmt for usage over mountainus terrain.

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: Egyptian Air Force Mirage-2000 service induction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tUgyNJJ0jg

sbm said...

Thanks for the response. Have those Barak-8ERs been ordered longside the MRSAMs and are they produced in India?

Also, this Passive Radar from BEL/ THALES, can it be used for very low RCS aircraft? It seems to be able to do so.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: Orders have been placed, but series-production by KRAS in India is still confined to the Barak-8 (1,000 units on order) & the same goes for Bharat Dynamics Ltd. The THALES-BEL sensor is a passive surveillance system (like the Vera-E & Kolchuga), i.e. no RF emissions emanate from it at all & hence it cannot be called a radar. That's why 3 such sensors make up each system & it relies on the multi-static triangulation principle for target detection/tracking, much like DF sensors. So, regardless of RCS of any platform, it can detect & track any airborne platform that emits any RF signals either from its own integral sensors or its data-links.

ShivKurup said...

Prasun sir,

1) Does the naval brahmos anti ship missile have two way data link for mid course guidance?

2) Has the land attack variant of ship based brahmos been deployed?

3) What is the smallest size of warship or boat in terms of length that a brahmos can accurately hit?

4) Among the 2 types of NMRH, we are contracting, the MH-60R and upgraded Ka-27, which one will be deployed aboard the kolkata and vishakhapatnam class destroyers?

5) Apart from snapping the guidance wires of wire guided torpedoes, can the RBU-6000 directly target the incoming torpedoes themselves?

6) How many rockets, including reloads does each RBU-6000 in an indian warship carry?

7) Are there any plans the IN has of buying the rafael torbuster or russian Paket system for active anti torpedo defence as you mentioned?
Any RFI?

Thanks

Ashish Gautam said...

Hello sir, how r u doing these days?
(1) Sir recent tests done by DRDO of various missiles, including today's pralay are they all production ready versions or still under development versions??
2) prahaar, pranash and pragati series gonna be MBRL configuration system's right? Arey they all having CEP of less than 3m??
3) what effectiveness of s400 and whole IAF AD system u see in case of war with Pakistan for recapturing of POK by or b4 2023? And condition of PAF after it? Kitne bachenge tayyare unke pas?
4) same as above question for PN and PA condition after it? And yeah our loss? 10k troops or even more?
5) got a news from someone in military establishment, DRDO and armed forces gonna deploy a fully working powerful enough DEW (able to take down fighters, missiles, PGMs etc) by August 2022, u have any info about it? Not sure if its 100% true or just a bakwas.
6) your pick for next CDS? what's your choice and why? Just asking your opinion though I know its gonna be purely political decision.

3rd ~ EyE said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqseqU4kNBA

why is it that towards end of the video , pralay's trajectory looks non ballistic and taking a 90* turn like the brahmos ?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

If Agni prime indeed has a RV like a glide vehicle that can release MIRVs, has this feature been tested in the recent tests ?

Ashwatthama

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Prasunda, thanks for sharing the images of the QR-SAM system.

1.Now that S-400 is being deployed by IAF how will the S-400 be integrated with other SAM systems like Spyder because Spyder was procured from Israel?

2.Russia protects its S-400 with Tor and Pantsir and EW systems. How will India protect its S-400?

Thanks, Sujoy

Ashish Gautam said...

Coz it's quasi ballistic trajectory... U can read about it by googling about quasi ballistic trajectory.

Arjun said...

1) Is Babur derivative of Chinese CJ-10 or Ukrainian Korshun? https://idrw.org/pakistan-tests-babur-cruise-missile-with-additional-range/
2) Have we looked into partnering with Israel's NSO Group? This can be used to hack into Chinese institutions. Should consider industrial espionage and sabotaging their defence plans.
3) Is this the technology that Israel illegally sold to China? https://www.flightglobal.com/china-provides-cash-for-israeli-cruise-missile-work/16019.article
4) Any chance we can buy the above missile and add it to Su-30MKI and LCA? Brahmos-M is forever delayed.
5) Why is India not resuming oil trade with Iran? Israel's foreign policy is based on calculated realpolitik; meanwhile, India's foreign policy is based on obsequiousness and stupidity. https://theprint.in/diplomacy/iran-expects-friend-india-to-resume-oil-purchases-soon-says-envoy-chegeni/759669/
6) Which fighter jet type AESA does China deploy or about to deploy?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SHIVKURUP: 1) No. 2) No. 3) FAC-M. 4) MH-60R. 5) No. 6) 4 sets of reloads. 7) No.

To ASHISH GAUTAM: 1) All are developmental systems still in the prototype development stage. 2) Only Prahar. The rest have been scrapped. For missiles carrying nuclear WMD warheads, single-digit CEP is never reqd. 3) S-400 is meant for airspace denial to hostile AEW & CS platforms, with secondary theatre missle defence (TMD) capability. Hence S-400 will not be employed for shooting down hostile MRCAs. 5) Fake News. 6) The former CAS of the IAF.

To 3rd-EYE: Here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYPE2pKa97o

And here’s the statement: https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetail.aspx?PRID=1784136

Here’s everything about the Pralay SS-BSM explained:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2018/10/from-prithvi-to-pralay.html

Like its predecessor, the SS-150 Prithvi, the Pralay is NOT a ballistic missile, but a SS-BSM whose solid-propellant rocket remains in use the very end. And here is its air-launched version:

https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/msid-80446777,width-1200,height-900,resizemode-4/.jpg

Both the SMART & Pralay use near-identical airframes & sub-systems. However, for terminal guidance, the Pralay will use an X-band monopulse radar, like this:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BlSMOwF5pCA/WF7PEDJXyvI/AAAAAAAAMHg/nUyYb_lYUFI-8WO5njb1vr6pwy2Uw1izwCLcB/s1600/Nirbhay%2BLACM%2527s%2BX-band%2BSAR%2Bseeker.jpg

Hence, for terminal guidance, the seeker for BrahMos-1, Nirbhay & Pralay will be one & the same.

To ASHWATTHAMA: Yers.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: 1) S-400 will be integrated with the IAF’s IACCCS network. 2) With SpyDer-SR Akash-NG SL-QRMs & yet-to-be-selected SPAAG.

https://theprint.in/tech/at-least-a-dozen-chip-makers-to-start-setting-up-india-factories-in-2-3-years-it-minister/785779/

To ARJUN: 1) Both CJ-10 & Babur are derived from the original Korshun design. 2) Israel’s govt won’t allow NSO to get involved in such activities. 3 & 4) No. All joint military R & D work between Israel & China was terminated in 1989 itself & hence China had to approach Ukraine for the Korshun in the early 1990s. 5) Because India does not enjoy strategic autonomy. Hence, instead of Iran, India is importing crude oil from Iraq to keep the Iranian Shias happy. 6) China is nowhere near to deploying any kind of AESA-MMR.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHDFbZWUUAU69wh?format=jpg&name=large

The 5th Anti-Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Craft is a part of eight such warships being built by GRSE. The order was bagged through a competitive bidding process. The primary role of shallow water craft is to conduct Anti-submarine operations in coastal waters, Low intensity maritime operations and Mine laying operations. The Craft is designed for a Deep Displacement of 750 Tons, Complement of 57 and capable of full scale Sub Surface Surveillance of Coastal Waters, Search Attack Unit (SAU) and Coordinated ASW operations with Aircraft. These Vessels are propelled by Water Jets capable of reaching maximum speed of 25 Knots and are compact and loaded with anti-submarine weapons (Light Weight Torpedoes, ASW rockets and Combat Management System).

just_curious said...

Prasun,

why no 40mm/57mm bofors/bae gun on ASW shallow water crafts.. they could also be equiped with side facing cross mounted harpoon/NSM/seabreaker/Kh 35 tubes to make them multi dimensional.. Shouldnt they get a light weight version of smart like tube launched torpedos to have greater reach? ASROC seems to weigh just 750kg which should be a good fit..I like the russian philosphy which make all their ships to be multidimensioanl and their ships are pretty much bang for the buck to puch above their weight Karakurt is a good eg of that though it has no ASW feature in the current form..why does IN opt of ships which can only do 1 thing this is ditto with Kamorta class ships.. smaller ships like Turkish milgem or Israeli Saar's are multi dimensional in their roles..

rad said...


HI Prasun
what is happening with nirbhay progam , conflicting reports are saying that i t has been terminated , i wonder why after proving the tech.It does not makw sense terminating the progarm after overcoming problems as we badly need the missile. tessy says that it isa demonstrator for proving the local manik engine etc
pralay looks much bigger and heavier than the brahmos and ist wings are also huge , won t it be difficult to carry ?

rad said...


hi prasun
if the pralay is a multi stage weapon i wonder how it will manouver afer the lower stage with its movable fins and tvc are ejected.?

Anonymous said...

1) What is difference between AMOGHA and MPATGM? Both are anti-tank.

2) Is drdo developing 300mm rocket artillary?

3) Why drdo developing 120mm smoothbore gun, instead of 125mm?

~sasi

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

You stated in an earlier thread that India has not yet begun development of boost-glide/hypersonic glide vehicles. Does this not contradict your current assesment that Agni P has a hypersonic glide payload section ?

Satyaki

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Thanks Prasunda.

Any idea which SPAAG will eventually be selected? There were some media reports that South Korea's K-30 Biho has been selected by the Indian Army but some other media reports suggested no such decision has been made.

Anonymous said...

Pralay tested again in 24 hrs. DRDO is on steroids it seems to get maximum budget.
Who will carry the air lunched version of the Pralay?

Sanjay said...

Mr. Prasun

1)If India exercises it's Strategic Autonomy in the case of S400. Why it doesn't do the same for Oil from Iran?

2)If not Strategic Autonomy then what does India enjoy Strategic Alignment that is Follow American Diktat?

Thank you

Sanjay

Indrajit said...

UK and Japan are entering into co-operation agreement to manufacture jet engine? Is India blindsided on this? There was a buzz that India will partner with Rolls Roy E. Now our options seem to be very limited. Please let us know your thoughts on this matter. Also may I request you to share your opinions on what path should we take to achieve self reliance on this field.

buddha said...

Sir it appears that Punjab is going to be a security headache for govt as high religiosity and cross border provocation creating many fault lines for perfect storm....
Apart from Su30 MkI ,will any other aircraft can carry heavy air launch version of Pralay Missile..
As near in future India going to have almost 200 hundred plus LCA and MWF ..Will lighter version of air launch pralay be developed to carry by them..

As you mention Taliban too does not desire to recognize Durand line ..How this will lead in future..

pm said...

Does India require system like TOS-1 Buratino? Or is Drdo developing such warheads for pinaka systems?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://www.theindiacable.com/p/from-ladakh-to-eastern-sector-latest

https://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/815/EOIArty12.pdf

Medium Range Precision Kill System (MRPKS) can provide a breakthrough against dynamic and well protected static targets by real time acquisition and precision strike. MRPKS once launched can ‘loiter’ in the air and provide real time imagery to the operator on ground. On detection of a suitable target, the loitering munition with a warhead can be directed on to the target with precision. The current and future battlefield milieu necessitates the requirement of precision guided munitions in order to achieve first strike kill and psychological ascendance over the enemy. The requirement is further amplified due to the wide spectrum of conflict ranging from sub-conventional operations to full scale war. There is an urgent requirement to procure Medium Range Precision Kill System (MRPKS) capable of day and night acquisition and precision engagement of targets. The objective of this invitation of Expression of Interest (EoI) is to seek willingness of Indian Vendors to participate in the Make II Category for development and procurement of 10 sets of Medium Range Precision Kill System (MRPKS) under Buy Indian (IDDM) category of DAP-2020.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JUST_CURIOUS: The SW-ASW craft will never venture into deeper waters & will stay close to the coastline for protecting the approaches to commercial ports & naval bases & hence there will not be any reqmt for either on-board air-defence missiles or ASSCMs.

To RAD; This is the video that has caused such rumours to proliferate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaDN_AYaZ8g

Here is the reality: Conceptualised back in 2002, actual R & D work on the Nirbhay commenced only in 2007 in a ground-launched configuration, even though the operational requirements are for air-launched and submarine-launched versions. There were two principal technological handicaps of the missile: in the absence of an indigenous turbofan, the Nirbhay had to use the 36MT turbofan supplied in limited numbers by Russia’s NPO Saturn; and the Nirbhay could not cruise below an altitude of 500 metres due to the absence of terrain-avoidance avionics. Undaunted, the DRDO’s Bengaluru-based Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) is giving a makeover to the Nirbhay by re-designating the R & D project as the Indigenous Technology Cruise Missile (ITCM), while the missile has been renamed as the Long Range Land Attack Cruise Missile (LRLACM) that will be launched from the air, from warships and from submarines. The warship-launched variant will be housed within the same L & T-built Universal Vertical Launcher Module (UVLM) as that of the BrahMos-1. From submarines, the LRLACM will be launched from 533mm torpedo tubes. While the Indian Navy (IN) has an initial stated requirement for 200 LRLACMs worth Rs.5,000 crore (to eventually replace a similar number of existing Russia-supplied Novator 3M-14E Club-S cruise missiles), the IAF wants more than 2,000 of them as air-launched variants. The ADE has planned 20 developmental flight-trials for the LRLACM, which will have the same indigenous X-band terminal seeker as that of the BrahMos-A/BrahMos-NG. The homegrown turbofan for the LRLACM will be the ‘Mani8k’ Short Turbo Fan Engine (STFE)–under development by the DRDO’s Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment since 2014.

As for Pralay’s manoeuvrability in the endo-atmospheric stage, the second-stage rocket vehicle has TVC as well.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SASI: 1) AMOGHA is an in-house development by BDL but it has not been evaluated by the IA. 2) Only conceptual studies. 3) That R & D effort has been downgraded in favour of the existing rifled-bore cannon.

To ANUP: It is only due to shortsightedness on the IN’s part. No indigenous solution is being worked upon. Regarding FICV, the interior’s photos are those of the Kestrel 8 x 8 APC.

To SATYAKI: Hypersonic glide vehicles & hypersonic warhead section ae 2 totally different solutions. The former goes all the way to its target as a high-penetration solution against hardened or underground targets. The latter stays hypersonic in the endo-atmospheric stage up to an altitude of 30km, following which the warhead section unleashes separate warheads to either target a specific area for conventional strikes, or for targeting a wide area with nuclear warheads that will detonate at an altitude of 3km above the targets.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: There are 2 different SPAAG reqmts, one for the IA & the other for the IAF. For the former, the favourite remains Rheinmetall’s 35mm Millenium cannon solution mounted on a BMP-2 ICV hull. If the blacklisting of Rehinmetall is done away with, then TATA Aerospace & Defence’s industrial partnership with Rheinmetall can be revived overnight. For the IAF, a truck-mounted AK-630M solution is being worked upon by ARDE & BEML.

To DASHU: Pralay’s air-launched variant is the nuclear warhead-carrying air-delivered munition (ADM) that will be launched from Su-30MKI.

To SANJAY: 1) Because UN agencies like the IAEA still remain suspicious about Iran’s nuclear WMD-related activities & there’s wide international consensus on this issue. 2) Yes. And that’s also why countries like Egypt & Indonesia have still not taken delivery of their Su-35BMs frm Russia.

To BUDDHA: Only Su-30MKI’s belly section will carry the ADM. If Pralay gets lighter, then its warhead section will become sub-optimal. The real headache for the GI is this, not Punjab:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EXnR57957o&t=3s

To PM: Such thermobaic warheads have already been developed for Pinaka MBRL rockets.

To INDRAJIT: US-Japan cooperation on turbofan co-production does not mean ToT. Instead, both will develop & produce different portions of the turbofan without sharing any technological secrets. The same approach is being adopted by India in case of Rolls-Royce (for the HTFE-25 turbofan) & with SAFRAN/Snecma/Turbomeca for the second & new Kaveri turbofan prototype design & for the HTSE-1200 turboshaft. Achieving self-reliance is a long drawn-out process that is expensive & hence labs like GTRE & DMRL & MIDHANI should form an integrated R & D team with private-sector metallurgical companies like Bharat Forge & JINDAL Group for conducting result-oriented metallurgical solutions, like the development of engine cores.

Maheswaran Selvaraj said...

Hi Prasun,

a. What Fire control radar will be used for VL SRSAM when deployed in INS Kamorta ? Can it work with existing radars or separate radar in development ?


Regards,
Maheswaran

Anonymous said...

@Prasoon
Actually the problem of the Government of India are multifaceted like those suggested here below of open hate mongering against Hindus by Muslim members in different political parties that are conveniently omitted by some segments of media:

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/delhi-riots-heres-a-list-of-hate-speeches-that-were-barely-reported-in-the-run-up-to-the-violence

Or the spillover effects of muslim majoritarianism impacting the non-muslim population in countries like Pakistan affecting the intellectual discourse in India:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/world/asia/pakistan-hindu-conversion.html

Or the attacks in Bangladesh during Durga Pooja. The welcoming news as below of professors in Bangladesh writing that hindus would not be left in Bangladesh after 30 years, plays into the hands of extremists with hindu population feeling vulnerable and being milked for votes

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/No-Hindus-will-be-left-in-Bangladesh-after-30-years-professor/article16675228.ece

What is also worrisome by GOI are comments by Martina Novratilova on hate speeches by hindus against muslims as suggested in the trail news of ndtv, thereby creating doubts in the minds of readers whether the news is being strategically milked for by opposition parties gearing up for elections.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/after-outrage-police-file-case-on-haridwar-hate-speech-one-person-named-2668429#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

What also worries GOI and citizens like me is the open hate against Wasim Rizvi for challenging koran in court for the 20+ odd hate sentences and needing personal protection fearing for his life. After all what is there to be feared in such court challenges as all know that in any case the court will throw such petition out:

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/hinduism-islam-conversion-disrespect-congress-telangana-waseem-rizvi-bounty-1885816-2021-12-09


For citizens like me, as these kind of news come when elections are nearby and tweets by martina novratilova only explains its close links to elections in UP and Uttarakhand and collaboration of desi media houses with international media.

As hindus are not well organized like muslim tanzeems or christian missionaries, there is hardly any practical impact these speeches can have (unlike Khalistan separatism that has recently seen a bomb blast in Ludhiana) , except to create sound bytes before elections which media like mojo, ndtv, scroll, nyt etc love to lap up and those like opindia love to counter and call off their selective activism.

This is unwelcome in democracy, but on an aggregate basis and on the ground, people are very happy and comfortable with each other.

regards

Kunal

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

VMT. Regarding China's July 27 hypersonic test that released an extra projectile from the mother object after orbiting. Was this a hypersonic payload section with orbital capabilities or a hypersonic glide vehicle ?

Satyaki

Anonymous said...

1)When will missiles like Prahar/Prakash, Pralay & Shaurya enter mass production?

2)How many of units of each of these missiles will be inducted?

3)Late Gen Bipin Rawat talked about raising a tri-service rocket force. By when will the rocket force be raised & will it be able to match the quantity & quality of PLA-RF by end of this decade?

Aman

Just_curious said...

Prasun,
You mention Rolls Royce contributing to htfe 25.. where will htfe be used? Jags? Some months ago u had suggested that hal was exploring an opportunity with rolls Royce to use adour 871 parts in 811 ..is there any progress on that or is this new option of using htfe being explored now? Also will there be a htfe 40 with an afterburner module?

Kane1966 said...

Dear Prasun, pranams, can you share.with us what is teh current state of amphibious forces in India. What arw the future plans. Eventually whats the planned strength of the future amphibious force. What armour and arty will.they use. What will be the composition of the vessels which.will.land a planned full size amphi force on a beach someqhere.

Kane1966 said...

DesrPrasun da, can you kindky clear fhe confusion and tell us where are we today with yhe kaveri engine for fighter aircraft and where are we headed?

songofkali said...

Sir what type of Air defense systems do our Andamans & Nicobar Islands have...is there any scope or utility for installation of S400 system there

Ashwatthama said...

Prasunda,

Real headache for GoI is highlighted right here in this thread. https://twitter.com/priyaakulkarni2/status/1473874625671024641

NYT cries about Hindu fascist persecution of Christians while they celebrate the peaceful anti-Assad SDF jihadis who genocided Christians. This article sums up libtard namazi axis and their hypocrisy.
https://www.opindia.com/2021/12/liberals-hypocrisy-how-the-left-outrages-over-hate-speech-but-pays-no-heed-to-hate-crimes/

Your blog is named trishul trident, so Bharatiya people should be using trishul for self defence of their people and culture. Say no to foreign fascist ideologies from the West and Middle East.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3SY0EMGHAY

Ashwatthama

Gagandeep said...

Good evening Prasun ji !
1. Britain (Rolls Royce) and Japan (IHI) have joined forces to produce an engine for their respective 6th Gen aircraft. England has put an initial amount of $40 million and is further committing $267 million to develop full scale power demonstrator. But somebody was saying on idrw that in case India develops engine with Rolls Royce, it will cost us $6 billion including full transfer of technology. So I want to ask - do they really fleece us to that extent for TOT ? Of course Defence minister had recently said that now India will build 110KN engine with Snecma of France. But even Snecma had desired $500 million to shore up Kaveri. Do you think Rolls Royce was a better partner to develop indigenous engine ?

2. Yesterday there was a bomb blast in Ludhiana. There have been 42 incidents of drones from Pakistan incursing into border areas of Punjab in last couple of months. Do you think terrorism will be revived in Punjab or we shall be able to nip it in the bud ? I am quite anxious on this count.

3.China's new Land Law comes into force from 1st January 2022. It gives right to PLA and their police force to restore territorial sovereignty by using military power. According to China, Arunachal Pradesh, Barahoti plains in Uttrakhand and some portions of Ladakh belong to them. So are we staring at a sureshot war with China next year ?

Hardik Thanki said...

Hi Prasunji,

Can 1 of the Air India B747 be purchased & used as Engine Flying Test Bed?

What it cost Defence Ministry?

Thanks & Regards

Hardik Thanki

Gaurav said...

Airforce Pilots life is cheap in India

The Engdoc Society said...

Dada great info
Could you pls elaborate
1. What is the total no of akash missile in inventory of india
2. How many more squadrons of akash prime, akash ng will get ordered
3. How many brahmos missile are there in the inventory of IA and IAF
4. Do the INs warships have reloads for brahmos and Barak available, do it get stored in the warshi0 itself or in some kind of replenishment ships
5. Do we use coastal defense batteries of brahmos or any other anti ship missiles
6. On a lighter side on tiranga movie gainda swami has parlay 1, parlay 2, parlay 3 missiles and Brigadier surya dev singh used his pipe to fuse the missiles, what answers does pakis have for this quasi ballistic missile

joydeep ghosh said...

Prasun da

1. are you trying to imply IAF is looking to buy in service Egyptian Mirage 2000 :-)

2. what is the difference and benefit of IMRV / MARV

3. how many MIRV warheads India's Sub BM or Land BM will carry

thanks
Joydeep Ghosh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To MAHESHWARA SELVARAJ: Existing radars will suffice.

To KUNAL: As I had explained a few times before, the core of the problem or the dilemma faced by the majority of Indian citizens today is the inability to distinguish between Abrahamic theocracies & India’s ancient Dharmic roots & Vedantic philosophy. Consequently, one is perpetually faced with seeking false equivalences & shamefully hiding behind colonial constructs like Hindustan & Hinduism & their ‘desi’ derivatives like Hindutva & Hindu. Equally dismal has been the track-records of all past & present-day Central & State govts when it comes to cracking down on public hate-mongering without exception.

To SATYAKI: It was a hypersonic glide vehicle just like Russia’s Avanguard.

To AMAN: 1) Only Prahar is in series-production. Pranash, Pragati & Sjaurya won’t enter series-production. 3) The Strategic Rocket Force is meant for the Strategic Forces Command.

To JUST_CURIOUS: HTFE-25 will be used for powering UAVs & stealthy UCAVs. R-R is still in discussions with HAL on upgrading the Adour Mk.811s to Mk.867 standard.

To KANE1966: Very little enhancements are planned for the IA’s amphibious brigades, since the projected threat perceptions do not envisage any hostile amphibious assault emanating from any quarter. WRT Kaveri turbofan, I had already explained it earlier in this very thread.

To SONGOFKALI: The S-400 won’t be deployed on any of India’s island territories & instead MR-SAMs & E-SHORADS will suffice for them.

To ASHWATTHAMA: LoLz! No Trishul made by mortal human beings will be able to stand against any carbine or assault rifle. As I had explained a few times before, the core of the problem or the dilemma faced by the majority of Indian citizens today is the inability to distinguish between Abrahamic theocracies & India’s ancient Dharmic roots & Vedantic philosophy. Consequently, one is perpetually faced with seeking false equivalences & shamefully hiding behind colonial constructs like Hindustan & Hinduism & their ‘desi’ derivatives like Hindutva & Hindu.

To GAGANDEEP: 1) That’s exactly why I had earlier warned against gobbling up all that is put out by internet fanboys. The figures you have quoted as contributions from the US & Japan are only engineering & fabrication costs & they do not include any research-related costs. SAFRAN/Scecma estimate of $500 million refers only to the engineering/prototype fabrication costs of a new Kaveri turbofan variant that utilises CMC, as I had explained earlier in this thread. 2) There have thus far been 67 drone sightings along the IB. Terrorism will be revived in Punjab ONLY IF the local political class of that state desire it. 3) Not at all, since China China has been claiming Arunachal Pradesh for decades.

To HARDIK THANKI: Why only a B.747? Why can’t it be an A330 or B.777?

To ENGDOC SOCIETY: 1, 2 & 3) All such figures were given long ago here:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2015/01/consolidated-data-on-army-specific-air.html

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2016/12/indias-cruise-missile-programme-updates.html

4) Only reloads for Barak-8s are available on-boarfd. 5) The IN has the 4K51 Rubezh coastal missile system.

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: 1) Not at all. 2) It is MIRV & MARV. 3) This will give you the answer:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BNSOg5VKWw0/Wi8offDOFQI/AAAAAAAANzc/Gk6aYNh5MuEXUHFSN3OK5deBv1C-sRv6ACLcBGAs/s1600/India%2527s%2BA-6%2BICBM%2B%2526%2BK-06%2BSLBM.jpg

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/23/politics/saudi-ballistic-missiles-china/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeRuWXjjNZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgCI1a1Nj4

Russian Navy Submarine Base in Kamchatka: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_j783A8XUc

Kaustav said...

Prasunda

Very interesting this "In a Landmark Decision, Modi Govt gives Officers of Indian Armed Forces Power of Joint and additional Secretaries in Ministry of Defence to Remove Bottlenecks of Bureaucracy"

Will this be useful or is it just an half assed attempt to restore some parity for military bureaucracy with civilian Babudom

Unknown said...

@prasoon..i think there are a lot of indian citizens who can make out the difference between abhramic religions vs sanatan dharma, colloquially referred as Hinduism. The problem is the media that suffers from selective amnesia..when i read these articles on channels like ndtv, times of india, india today etc i also to happen to read the comments..the readers are also fed up of this selective amnesia, yet the desi patrakars belabour the same crap..in the times of social media when unedited videos, alternate perspectives etc are easily available, the mainstream media is struggling to devise strategies to be relevant..in my reading, abhramic religions are not equal to sanatan dharma colloquially referred to as hinduism..hence the constitution should be amended to declare india as the final and last home to sanatan dharma/hinduism adherents and its ecosystem and therefore the states priority. I have no doubt in my mind that sanatan dharma/hinduism being inherently pluralist and accepting alternate philosophies, is fundamentally required to save the secular fabric of this country..if this happens, the planned systematic aggression of abhramic cults would be checked, thereby doing away with need of such chutiya dharam sansads which are more on soundbytes than anything meaningful.

Regards

Kunal

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,

Watched the YouTube link of Russia navy base in kamchatka. Superb video. Thankfully IN doesn't face those icy challenges.

Kindly let us know the status of other boats after Arihant. What is the projected fleet of SSGNs and SSBNs for IN by 2040?

Arjun said...

1) Forget about Haridwar, this Hindutva activist is asking "[Hindus to] fight and eradicate Christianity" around 49:14. The rest of the video is dedicated to denigrating Christianity. Video is released purposefully on Xtian festival of Xmas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJpcdxxjDAo
2) How likely is it that armed forces are filled up with the above types of people. Shashi Tharoor says India is becoming 'Hindu Pakistan'. How true is the previous statement?
3) China is working with Saudi Arabia to develop ballistic missiles and eventually nuclear bombs. Remember that Saudi paid the money to Pak for their so-called 'ummah bomb'. In this context India should still be afraid of Iran because of other's opinions of Iran when Iran has not threatened India?
4) Myanmar's military junta is looking increasingly towards China. Is this a threat to India? Would it be in India's interest for Bangladesh and Myanmar to fight? Hindutvawadi government wants to support Myanmar for obvious reasons, but common sense seems to point one towards Bangladesh.
5) Do you agree with this analysis? https://idrw.org/under-modi-2-0-a-course-corrected-foreign-policy/
6) What are your predictions after China's land border law takes effect?
7) Western defence scholars say that India's air force is comparatively weaker than the army, just like other countries with post-Soviet arms. Balakot performance seemed to suggest IAF didn't value BVR performance or informatised network warfare, whereas US counterparts publically placed emphasis on those decades ago. IAF is commiting to only buy NATO standard aircrafts in the future, but IAF seems to ideologically lag the US/NATO mindset. What needs to be done to modernize mindset and priorities?

just_curious said...

Prasun,

interesting video.. how true is this? & what is its mitigation?

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

In our country when there is a hate speech from the majority, it is debated a lot. But if it comes from minority community, it is doused by some absurd justification. It is such a country where Munnawar Faruqi has the right to demean Hindu gods and Akbaruddin Owaisi can give 15 minutes warning for ethnic cleansing. But no legal action against them!!! As you said earlier not a single government has taken action in the past nor in the present time.

At times I think that communism is better than a fake democracy. What's say Prasun da? (Of course it's my frustration)

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KAUSTAV: This is part of the on-going effort to set up the Department of Military Affairs, which is the military counterpart of the MoD’s Department f Defence. As I had previously explained, within the MoD there used to be a parallel-files system, i.e. existence of a service file & a MoD file. Once the DMA is fully up & running, there will exist only 1 unitary file for procurements & promotions, thereby removing forever all suspicions between the civilian & military bureaucracies within the MoD. Bu there still remains significant greay areas, like who will brief the RM, the Defence Secretary or CDS? And when the Defence Secretary & CDS are to meet, who should go to whose office? And what will be the role & mandate of the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee, or whether the COSC has become redundant & unnecessary due to the existence of the HQ IDS.

To VED: Watch this Pakistrani movie, called Hangor S-131 1971, which was aired last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxCVTFPgzyk

To ANUP: Previous experience indicates that global pandemics have raged on for 3 years, before subsiding.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARJUN: 1) Here’s more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=015Nl5HVYy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJv8l8Mn1F0&t=70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG10_qwjIcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtyesVIUkZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Kxv5MExLk

2) In my view, highly confused narratives originating from the colonial era are being mainstreamed, which in turn are causing false equivalences & competitive benchmarking with the Abrahamic religions. Consequently, clarity remains elusive. 3) The Kingdom of Saudi Aabia knows only too well that it cannot depend on any other country for survival from a national security standpoint & this was the very reason it had procured DF-3 MRBMs from China back in 1988. Presently, the effort is focussed on procuring DF-21C MRBMs. However, acquisition of nuclear WMD capability by both Iran & KSA is still a far cry. 4) Myanmar’s navy has just acquired a Type 035 Ming-class SSK from China:

https://twitter.com/Johann_U96/status/1474416194295775235

5) What is now underway is the laying of policy-based foundations, whose results will emerge only towards the end of this decade, like investing in the pharma sector for self-sufficiency, establishing a sustainable industrial eco-system for semiconductors, investing in hydrogen-based energy generation technologies, and transiting to LNG for thermal power plants & to battery-powered vehicles of all types. 6) There is no need to worry about it, since India had passed similar parliamentary resolutions back in November 1962 & again in February 1994. 7) The IAF has always gone fo force multipliers as & when they had emerged, but denial of funding by the MoD (many a time at the DRDO’s behest) had prevented the IAF from acquiring them on a fast-track basis, such as the Rafale M-MRCAs that could have been procured for the IAF back in 2007 itself.

To JUST_CURIOUS: Which video? Are you referring to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9uXaaZFL4&t=23s

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) A hypersonic warhead section that releases multiple RVs at 30-60 km altitude appears to be a different system from a standard MIRV section with a post boost vehicle. Is this correct ?

2) If so, are the A-6/K-6 as depicted on Dr. Saraswat's slides shown with standard MIRV sections, as opposed to Agni-P which has a different type of payload section you explained earlier ?

Satyaki

rad said...


hi PRASUN
can you eloborate on the LRACM that seems to have a supersonic dash speed as like in the club missile .

vishakh said...

Hello,

Can GROB 180 Aircraft converted to HALE UAV for IAF as its height is 45000 ft and light weight with 1000 KG lifting capacity with additional Fuel inplace of 8 people who can usually sit ?

Vishakh

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun Sir,
As per latest prediction of CEBR
By 2035, Chinese economy ($49T) will be bigger than USA ( $36T) and India ($10T)
Combined.
In such a scenario it will become increasingly difficult to defend India from Chinese aggression.
What are your views on this precarious situation India finds itself in and is there a way out?

Dr KRG.

just_curious said...

Prasun ,

1-I was referring to this video--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zqtbG096Hc..
Also will the Chinese sell J 10C to Pakis?
2-West _russia tiff over ukraine , who will blink first?
3-Bramhos Ng mfg ground laying ceremony done-- will it be ready in the next 2-3 yrs?

joydeep ghosh said...

@Prasun da

what on earth are thjese russian missiles
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/27/10/52258227-10347199-image-a-5_1640602556304.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/27/11/52258251-10347199-Russian_missile_systems_taking_part_in_Putin_s_most_recent_show_-a-55_1640604476289.jpg

why burma bouught a chinese sub

thanks

Joydeep Ghoash

Zainal Hirania said...

I used to get mad at people like Kunal. Now I know if I searched around the world I will find white Kunals in the US blaming the jews and "niggers"; rightwing Kunals in Eastern Germany blaming migrants; East European Kunals blaming foreigners; in Fiji, ethnic Fijians blaming the Indians, in South Africa one tribe blames the other....in other words the fact that in 21st century people are always trying to blame others for their misery and never willing to sit down and carefully look into their own mindset - wars, violence and inequity will forever exist. It is recorded in the Bible - Hebrew Tanach, that even when people were petrified and trembling at God appearing to them and speaking to them from the Mount Horeb, some fellow had the audacity to have sex with a foreign woman right in the midst of this! So nothing has changed and nothing will change.

songofkali said...

Sir Pakistan internet fan boys are claiming that enhanced Babur cruise missile will be used to target Indian AS 400..my question is how soon can Indian radar system detect launch of such a missile..what countermeasures can be taken..also when AS400 is not in use will it be stored in Hardened Aircraft shelters

Anonymous said...

Is PAF acquiring J-10C?

-Aman

just_curious said...

Prasun,

seems someone is echoing what i feel abt the brits --https://idrw.org/why-britain-often-joins-hands-with-anti-india-khalistani-radicalism-thriving-on-its-soil/

pm said...

Sir when do you think MPDMS will be ready? Assuming it's ordered from armed forces, where will they be deployed and in what role?

pm said...

Sir, are all antiship missiles and munitions only either kinetic type and solid explosive type? Or are there any system which uses therkobaric warheads? What will be the impact of therkobaric bombs on naval ships and if it is good then what are the chaalenges for developing and deploying them?

Kaustav said...

Prasunda

So, as expected, all is well with India & the World. India is trading big with PRC & PRC has a record trade surplus with India. All indications are India has accepted the fait accompli presented by PRC. While PRC builds it's strength, India meanders along on the economy with it's usual confused running in a spot License Raj version of PM Modi with the favoured industrial groups dominating & controlling trade for a cushy oligopoly. The more the things change, the more they remain the same. India's demographic dividend & our famed English language skills ain't working out with unemployable skills due to a poor theoretical oriented academic system bettee for creating clerks & managers(?) than technicians & engineers.

Meanwhile both the LOC & LAC see peaceful times with Paxtan also feeling happy with the situation in Indian Punjab & Indian Kashmir where India has now opened up for real estate investment. All in All a very happy Win Win situation for all. With the PRC benchmarking with the US & India mirroring Paxtan, AALL IJJ BHELL & the more things change, the more they remain the same as India tries to keep pace with the world by running in place in it's own little samajwadi swarg

Seasons Greetings & Wish you Good health this all-religion Winter Solstice - Cheerio all.

Nabin said...

Sir is there any chance that indian army induct mounted gun from kalyani group.

Anonymous said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTr1Nq-yC4

Hi Prasun sir,
Came across this on YouTube.
US Navy corruption from top to bottom.
The us Navy is more corrupt than Indian politicians,it seems

Dr KRG

Unknown said...

Hi kaustav..of i am not wrong, prasoon has also studied from the same indian system..not necessary that indian education system creates clerks!

Regards

Kunal

Unknown said...

@zainal..you should not feel angry on kunal..read the writing on the wall on a global aggregate basis..always work to change yourself..i feel perfectly fine and harbour no ill will.against those who consider me a rightwing bigot..thankyou

Regards

Kunal

Dr KRG said...

I was just joking. Youtube is a public forum anyone can publish anything without checking the veracity. If one were to trust Youtube for information then they are still in infancy; so I understand if I believe everything I read, hear and see there then I am dumber and gained a doctorate in idiocy! But good source of information to start a discourse I guess....

Kaustav said...

No sir, it just creates people with unemployable skills & needs a lot of retraining. It is so in many couny but India doesn't have either the luxury or time anymore.

It is also to the credit of some bright minds who rise above & inspite of the system as well as a few bright spots institutionally. A better system for skilling needed to have been in place for the young masses than the systems that are in place, being experimented with or those that have been put in place by some organisations. It's all too little & maybe too late to benchmark with PRC due to India's contradictory imperatives not just on education but industry & commerce in general. It's now OK if we are better rhan oir South Asian neighbours atleast who are in the same boat more or less. Let's be better than them for now. AAALL IIJJ BHELL

ShivKurup said...

Prasunji

1) Since ship based radars have limitation of range in detecting anti ship cruise missiles which are sea skimming due to radar horizon, can AWACS platforms like Ka-31 flying above be used to search and detect such missiles?

2) Is the radar on Ka-31 even powerful enough to detect small targets like sea skimming cruise missiles?

3) Why does Indian navy not go for missile based CIWS like SeaRam or Sadral instead of Ak-630? Any advantage of the latter?

4) Has extended range version of barak 8 been ordered for Indian navy?

5) When will hypersonic brahmos 2 reach operational capability?

6) Are the Kavach chaff and Mareech Atds advanced enough to defeat threats from pak and chinese navy?

7) How do the above compare with their western analogues?

8) Has the towed component of mareech atds been deployed on any of our ships?

Thanks?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ASD: LoLz! You seem to be tormented by such issues every now & then, so here some remedial attempts:

1) If one goes by competitive bench-marking, then everytime such hate-speeches have been given, the givers have been booked, o.e. FIRs have been filed against them. But chargesheets & trial-processes never takeoff because of the discrepancy between the Indian Consttution & the Police Act of 1867, which perpetuates colonial ruling mechanisms & not governance.

2) Why should mortal human beings assume the responsibility of ‘protecting’ religions or Dharmic philisophies? If indeed these are gifts to humanity by the Gods of Yore, then surely the Almighities are more than capable of protecting them too from any demeaning utterances/acts & consequently there is no need for blasphemy laws & similar other man-made laws. After all, in the history of humanity, so religion has either become extinct or has been totally eliminated. So from where are such fears emanating? Perhaps the ‘fear viruses’ ae being injected from external sources, if this explanation is to be believed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNbt8NMybJc&t=111s

3) But perhaps the main reason why folks are being engulfed in the whirlpool of ‘Aastha’ is the wrongful benchmarking of ‘Dharma’ with ‘religion’ as portrayed by the Abrahamic faiths. This is the most demeaning practice, but this also serves a financial purpose, i.e. interested parties making a business out of such practices, be they Madrassas or Akharas or cults like the Pentacoastal Church. So what’s the way out of this? Elementary: go back to the roots & re-discover what ancient India’s rational Dharmic discourses & practices were all about, thereby doing away with destructive colonial constructs, as explained here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyCNdekSZQM&t=20s

To SATYAKI: No, they ae both one & the same.

To RAD: The LRACM was just a concept & has never been pursued as a R & D project.

To VISHAKH: No, it will be a sub-optimal platform. HALE-UAVs require only a single turbofan.

To Dr.KRG: Why should it be increasingly difficult? Didn’t an impoverished North Vietnam defeat the US in the mid-1970s?

To JUST_CURIOUS: 3) It was not a BrahMos-NG facility that was inaugurated in UP. Only a BrahMos-NG model was shown, just like it was at the Aero Inda 2019 expo in an underwing configuration on a Tejas Mk.1. Regarding the overseas Sikhs, this should provide some explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuTKPHvLlqE&t=6s

In essence, they are divided lot, just like the rural Sikhs of India’s Punjab state, who owe allegiance to their respective ‘Taksals’.

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: They are the Almaz-Antey S-300V/V-2500 LR-SAM & S-350 Vityaz MR-SAM.

To SONGOFKALI: LoLz! Little do they know that nether China’s nor Pakistan’s LACMs have terrain-hugging flight-profiles & instead they all cruise at 500 metres to 1km above the surface, thereby being easy targets for SHORADS & even MR-SAM missiles.

To AMAN: No.

To PM: MPDMS will be ordered by 2023. Essentially, they will be loitering PGMs. Thermobaric warheads have minimal effect against hardened structures like warships.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/24/world/asia/myanmar-coup-military-tatmadaw-kyaw-thaung.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Quantum Computing Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UlxHPIEVqA

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1785810

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1785767

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/bel-develops-radar-for-border-surveillance-7692420/

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-cm/paras-defence-gets-drdo-contract-for-border-surveillance-tech-121122700671_1.html

https://www.drdo.gov.in/sites/default/files/inline-files/BOSS.pdf

Anonymous said...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-man-at-the-center-of-a-shocking-u-s-navy-scandal-11633014000

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/navy-bribery-scandal/2021/10/03/d5181302-245e-11ec-8d53-67cfb452aa60_story.html

https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/convict-at-center-of-the-us-navy-bribery-ring-now-claims-he-secretly-recorded-naval-officers-with-sex-workers-he-paid-for/articleshow/88039626.cms

Dear Mr imposter pretending to be me.
Are wall street journal, businesses insider, Washington Post covering the same story credible enough for you?

If you think everything on YouTube is false just because its on YouTube then you are still in your infancy and if you don't believe something just because its on a particular website then you are idiocy personified.
Its interesting that you pretend to be me to prevent Prasun Sir from taking my comment seriously, shows the level of insecurity you have.

Dr KRG

Harsh said...

Paki interior minister Sheikh Rashid says Pakis are getting J-10 & about 25 will do fly past on 23rd March

https://twitter.com/PSFAERO/status/1476112590040276992?s=20

Is he lying? Or you are not aware of this deal?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

VMT. In that case, dose'nt the conical shape of the payload section of Agni P, unlike the ogive shaped sections of the A-6/K-6 indicate a single warhead ?

Satyaki

Satya said...

Sir,

1) Is MPDMS as good as the fifth generation MMP which is being offered by France?

2) JSR Dynamics working on a Smerch like 300 mm rocket system?

3) Russia has confirmed that the Armata platform is offered to India to develop a new MBT. Your views?

4) When will BMD phase-2 AD-1 and AD-2 interceptors enter testing stage?

5) Are PDV and AAD developed under phase-1 of BMD program comparable to global equivalents?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To HARSH: I've uploaded the explanations & slides above to explain what's going on.

To SATYAKI: A-5/A-6 too will have conical warhead shrouds, not ogive-shaped shrouds.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

VMT. So the ogive-shaped shrouds shown for the A-6/K-6 in

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BNSOg5VKWw0/Wi8offDOFQI/AAAAAAAANzc/Gk6aYNh5MuEXUHFSN3OK5deBv1C-sRv6ACLcBGAs/s1600/India%2527s%2BA-6%2BICBM%2B%2526%2BK-06%2BSLBM.jpg

could to taken to be just a preliminary illustration, with the definitive product differing in detail. Is this correct ?

Satyaki

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) With the acquisition of J-10CE by PAF, dose'nt IAFs advantage vis a vis PAF erode ?

2) Would the PAF not obtain an edge against the IAF by inducting FC-31 (a fifth generation airraft) by 2025 ?

Ashwatthama

nag said...

How can they put mirv in a conical nose cone. Blunt nose is aerodynamicaly efficiant and have space for compact third stage and for the aero spike. Wonder why drdo choosing conical nose cone.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SATYAKI: Yes.

To ASHWATTHAMA: 1) In what way? 2) In what way?

To NAG: Like this:

RSD-10 Pioneer IRBM: https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-NASM2016-03799&max=900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETPBdEwXsAATQAp.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/7100/7373346356_9b12903621_b.jpg

pm said...

Sir does India possess weapon system such as MALD 160J.does it possess similar capability of the above system or a reduction of capability?

AD said...

Dada,

Season's Greetings & wish you good health.

1. In this thread you mentioned SAFRAN is working as consultant to DMRL & GTRE for indigenous Ceramic Matrix Composite manufacturing. Will be this Ceramic Matrix Composite based Turbine Blade be better than Single Crystal based Turbine Blade with Rhenium?

2. Why GTRE failed to manufacture Single Crystal based Turbine Blade?

3. Which Jet Engine manufacturer has championed manufacturing of Ceramic Matrix Composite?

4. How come China developed such hi resolution camera for Beijing 3 mini satellite? Industrial espionage?

5. Which other country can snap such hi res photo from space?

rad said...


hi prasun
how on earth did the chinese integrate the pl-12 on the j-17 with the grifo radar? i tought it had the klj-7 radar?
If ukrain e can sel missile tech to chna we can also ge that to shorten th3e development time? especially the IIR section

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PM: No. MALD is nothing else but a cruise missile without any warhead. So a country that has developed ALCM can easily use them as MALD-type decoys.

To AD: 1) Yes, it will be. 2) Not GTRE, but MIDHANI & DMRL. HAL did produce such blades under a limited ToT from Russia. 3) GE Aero Engines. 4) With the help of Ukraine & Belarus. 5) The US, Germany & Japan.

To RAD: As I had stated above, the PL-12 comes integrated NOT with the Grifo from Selex Galileo, but wth the KLJ-7 (Type-1478) MMR developed by CETC’s 14th Research Institute (also known as the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology, or NRIET). Similarly, the JF-17’s Grifo MMR is integrated with the SD-10A BVRAAM which is a China-made licenced version of the Aspide BVRAAM of MBDA. Hence, the PL-12 cannot be integrated with the JF-17.

joydeep ghosh said...

dear Prasun da

you have been insisting S3 S4 are same in size but the 2nd image clearly shows S4 is larger how

https://www.theigmp.org/2021/12/big-news-india-quietly-launches-s4-ssbn-prepares-it-for-sea-trials-s4-star-to-follow-soon.html

thanks
Joydeep Ghosh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: LoLz! What you label as 'IMAGE' is in fact an artist's conception that is not accompanied by any supporting photoigraph. The rumour-mongering began from this Firangi internet fanboy:

http://www.hisutton.com/Indian-Navy-S4-SSBN.html

And from there the 'desi' internet fanboys reproduced it here:

https://www.theigmp.org/2021/12/big-news-india-quietly-launches-s4-ssbn-prepares-it-for-sea-trials-s4-star-to-follow-soon.html

Much earlier, the desi patrakaars of INDIA TODAY were claiming that there would be the S-2, S-3, S-4 & S-4+ boats. Remember that, or have you forgotten about it? Or are the 'Firangis' making guess-etimates about the S-4's length by just counting the number of modular storm-shelters over S-4? Why are they not putting online the hgh-rez images that they claim to have obtained? Kindly ask them.

Karnflakes said...

From the above article this pic https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhVX0WXlk80_HPLPvVALa8QEvHqDT9Q7Wx0aE2m-Pl8G9mEkXJVE64rg5jFaSBQEN0EGgkZ2fesKaGjNnYFW9B9v16S5tA6wQxo-MFDxeQhfSO6YopG_W-SGEQx0HyEVi_4MbT6ioZZfGugISWFSMKcg0T3ALGYzbAIkxmrwCH_DbpQ4oSf8jM2iIqy=s4031
It shows 2 subs.. one clearly longer than the other .. which subs are these prasun da ?

Anonymous said...

sir,

1. What makes you conclude that DRDO, wont go for trapezoidal-cone with aerospike like in M51 or ogive type as in Peacekeeper??

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.b1d9f0ea094f9237d91293b29d214b82?rik=eE8ca8dvazDkTA&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.staynehoff.net%2fmx_mirvs.jpg&ehk=EQYVJJhk1JezyGVTXz%2fveajoB8L4BOQ8qmk9lgA5Q%2bY%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

is it related to politics??

Yogesh
Thank You

Anonymous said...

Namaste prasoon ji

When are the Russians rolling into Ukraine , is the war inevitable or it is just a feint move to get rid of sanctions which will happen.

Can u pls share the link of an American talking about lunar dynasty and also the link about seekers.

Does groups like pinay cercle still exist, why is the current r&aw chief not being replaced and whom do you think might become the next chief.

Is there a deep state in India !???

Thank you

And a happy new year to you and your family

Merlin

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

are you saying the imaage sourced from Airbus Defence and Space is imaginary

will airbus do that.?

thanks
Joydeep Ghosh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KARNFLAKES: The longer boat is the S-4, no doubt about that. Below that is INS Arihant.

To YOGESH: 1) Because I have seen the definitive designs. Nothing to do with politics or politicking.

To MERLIN: The Ruskies want to send a clear & explicit message to NATO that Ukraine can never become a NATO member-state.

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: What I am saying is that you must not share dubious websites. For instance, one of them claims to be the first to report about a longer storm-shelter coming up at Vizag opposite the SBC. In reality, that data was first reported from here:

https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/1370325335435309058

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

With Pakistan taking J-10 crafts on lease, how would it affect the IAF? What would be IAF's plan to deal with this?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) Will ISROs poor performance in the last 2 years be rectified, with more launches/year in the near future ?

2) Are enough IRNSS satellites operational to facilitate accurate guidance for long range missiles ?

3) Was the cause of the GSLV Mk2 failure in August 2021 determined ? Any hint of sabotage ?

4) When will the SCE-200 semi cryo engine begin testing ?

Satyaki

Satya said...

Prasun sir, besides my above 5 questions can you pls tell about the status of the deal for Ka-226? Has it been shelved or will there be a small purchase off the shelf from Russia?

ShivKurup said...

Thanks for information on the radar and missiles of upcoming J-10 and J-17 of PAF Prasun sir.

1) Similarly for comparison sake, can you share what is the range of the RBE-2 Aesa lookup and lookdown of our Rafale?

2) How many modes does it have?

3) What will be the likely range of the Uttam Aesa radar on the Tejas Mk1A, when it becomes available?

4) Considering pakistan has always had the begging bowl out for decades, how bad is their current economic crises compared to times past. Is it worse than ever before?

5) Do you expect the pakistani economic crises to abate anytime soon?

6) Will the rafale be able to effectively handle the J-10s pakistan is recieving? How much of a challenge will the J-10s be?

7) What is the maximum range of the meteor air to air missile?

Thanks.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ASD: 1) If on one hand the J-10CEs are arriving, then on the other hand the F-16s are being grounded due to lack of spares support. Hence, the PAF's combat potential in nett terms is being degraded.

Meanwhile, if you want to end 2021 on a good note, then do watch this thoroughbred 'desi clown' & have a good laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJBQguvS07o

2022 Predictions About Pakistan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXIlppxCPRc

To SATYAKI: 1) Only time will tell. 2) Yes. 3) https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/2021-gslv-mission-failed-due-to-loss-of-pressure-in-fuel-tank-isro-101637346913901.html 4) Problem is that ISRO has chosen Ukraine for assistance in developing the SCE-200: https://www.aerospace-technology.com/news/isro-set-to-test-semi-cryogenic-engine-in-ukraine/

To SATYA: Ka-226T procurement project has been permanently shelved.

Meanwhile, I'm dismayed by the lack of intellectual honesty shown by the Ministry of Health & Family Welfare through this tweet:

https://twitter.com/mansukhmandviya/status/1475699948343549955

The Corbevax vaccine formula was developed by Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development (CVD) at the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, by Peter Hotez and Maria Elena Bottazzi. Indian entities have only provided the field trials subjects/resources & vaccine production facilities. Consequently, to claim that Corbevax is an indigenously developed vaccine is patently untrue/false.

Anonymous said...

sir,

1. why are we limiting ourselves with conical re entry vehicle as it can carry only few MIRV as compared to other shaped-nose cones??

is it because we don't have advance targeting/tracking capability??

thank you
Yogesh

joydeep ghosh said...

Prasun da

i mean to say S4 and S4* each will have 6 pair of missile tubes for total 12 tube encased

thanks

Joydeep Ghosh

Paro said...

Hi Prasun, Now that Paf is getting J10Cs who is paying for it? Clearly the Saudis aren't, considering the terms on their loan recently and Pakistan is in no position to pay the bill for the jets and its infrastructure it comes with. Are Chinese giving out any soft-loan like they did with the PN as part of the CPEC?

Also Considering they went with J-10C its clear that they arent able to maintain their jf17 fleet airworthy. But They are still going with the block-3 with the same engines. What are we missing here. Is there any new chinese engine variant on the block3?

Thanks,
Paro

Nabin said...

Sir is there any chance that indian army will induct mounted gun from kalyani group.And why s4 sub is longer than s3 sub.please reply.

Sanjay said...

Mr. Prasun

Happy New year

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To YOGESH: There are no such limitations with a conical configuration.

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: There will be no S-4 & S-4*. There will be only S-4. Do read this:

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/the-big-story/story/20171218-india-ballistic-missile-submarine-k-6-submarine-launched-drdo-1102085-2017-12-10

S-2, S-3 & S-4 all have SLBM vertical launch tubes in tandem, not side by side. Hence, the are only 8 such launch-tubes on the S-4 and four each on the Arihant & Arighat. Only the S-5, S-6 & S-7 SSBNs will each have 12 launch-tubes. This is the S-5's design:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FNCeiM_2-IY/Wi8oZgkgx0I/AAAAAAAANzU/R6KKiQHRCqQHDcOUeyUx2Evi7swEzLoYACLcBGAs/s1600/Indian%2BNavy%2527s%2Bprojected%2BS-5%2BSSBN.jpg

To PARO: Kindly read what I had uploaded above 2 days ago & everythig will become crystal-clear.

To UNKNOWN: S-2, S-3 & S-4 all have SLBM vertical launch tubes in tandem, not side by side. Hence, the are 8 such launch-tubes on the S-4 and four each on the Arihant & Arighat.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SANJAY, KAUSTAV & Everyone Else: Wishing everyone & all their loved & dear ones a joyous & productive 2022.