On February 18, when Shri Narendra
Damodardas Modi becomes India’s second ever Prime Minister to inaugurate the
Aero India expo (the first was Shri H D Deve Gowda), he, accompanied by Defence
Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar and Minister of State for Defence Shri Rao
Inderjit Singh, can be expected to view both the aerobatic demonstrations by
both home-grown and foreign platforms as well as visit those exhibition halls housing
the exhibits of India’s Defence Public Sector Undertakings (DPSU) as well as
those of the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO). It remains
to be seen if the expo organiser—the Ministry of Defence’s (MoD) Defence
Exhibition Organisation (DEO)—will take the assembled VVIPs to view the
exhibits of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO). In case the VVIPs do
make it there, this by itself will constitute a grim reality check. Why so?
Because traditionally, the booth—itself left segregated in an insignificant
corner inside a makeshift exhibition hall—is largely left unmanned. Anyone
familiar with ISRO’s exploits and achievements will indeed find this hard to
believe or digest, but this has been a fact of life for far too long! One
therefore can only hope that NaMo takes stock of this and demands urgent
remedial measures from the DEO.
Let’s now venture into the expo proper:
although it has been hailed as an aerospace expo, Aero India has traditionally
been strictly for military aviation. Why? Simply because the DEO has no idea about
what exactly constitutes the aerospace industries and markets. Consequently, no
one from the DEO bothers to canvass abroad for participation by the space
agencies and OEMs from countries like the US, France and Russia. Similarly, you
won’t find any reputable foreign MRO service provider, nor any original equipment
manufacturer (OEM) producing commercial aircraft interiors, galley equipment, avionics,
in-flight entertainment systems, etc. etc. Likewise, if anyone thinks that the
expo will play host to OEMs for airport ground support hardware or aerobridges,
he/she will definitely draw a blank. Of the 328 OEMs from 33 countries
participating in Aero India 2015, the US will have the largest representation
with 64 companies, followed by France with 58 companies, the UK with 48, Russia
with 41 and Israel with 25. Although the total number of foreign companies
participating has risen sharply from 212 in Aero India 2013 to 328 this year,
rest assured that 99% of them will be hawking their products for off-the-shelf
purchases.
Participation by Indian exhibitors,
which has risen from 156 companies in 2013 to 266 this year, will be accounted
for mostly by the DPSUs and DRDO laboratories, with only a tiny sprinkling of
MSMEs. For the very first time there will be participation from three states—Karnataka,
Gujarat and Andhra Pradesh—that wish to attract foreign OEMs setting up shop in
their territories.
Suggested
Reality Checks
Here are a few questions that NaMo and
Shri Parrikar ought to ask their Mod-owned DPSU hosts if and when they visit
their respective pavilions:
Why has the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL)
consistently shied for a full decade now away from obtaining EASA airworthiness
certification for the Dhruv ALH?
Why has the Indian Army’s Aviation Corps
not yet raised its first squadron of the ‘Rudra’ helicopter-gunship despite taking
delivery of the first such helicopter back in February 2013?
What is the Dhruv ALH’s percentage of
claimed indigenisation by weight, by volume, by cost, and by technological
content? This is because imported equipment may constitute only 20% of the
platform by weight and volume, but could account for as much as 80% of the cost
and technology content.
Similarly, what will be the claimed
indigenisation by weight, by volume, by cost, and by technological content of
the HAL -developed Light Utility Helicopter’s (LUH) and Light Combat Helicopter’s
(LCH)?
Which entity—HAL or the DRDO’s
Aeronautical development Agency (ADA)—should be primarily responsible for commercially
marketing the Tejas family of multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA)? And this is
why I’m asking this question: If a certain customer, let’s say Egypt, is
interested in procuring the Tejas Mk1 MRCA’s tandem-seater version configured
as a lead-in-fighter trainer (LIFT), but it wants to procure the aircraft with non-Israeli
multi-mode pulse-Doppler radars, helmet-mounted displays and laser designation
pods, which entity should be held accountable for delivering the customer-specified
end-product: HAL, the aircraft manufacturer, or ADA, the aircraft designer-cum-systems
integrator?
Which OEM supplies all the synthetic
resins that are used for fabricating all the co-cured composite airframe
structures for the Dhruv ALH, LCH, LUH and the Tejas MRCA? Is the OEM a ‘desi’
one?
Why does India still need to import
Ni-Cd batteries for the Tejas MRCA, Dhruv/Rudra ALH, HJT-36, Mi-25 and Mi-35P
platforms, as well as for the Searcher Mk2 and Heron UAVs?
Why has no one in India ever thought
about devising indigenous alternatives to imported weapons ejector racks/pylons
for platforms like the Dhruv/Rudra ALH and Tejas MRCA?
Why has the DRDO failed to develop chaff
countermeasures kits for both fixed-wing and rotary-winged manned military
platforms?
If the hybrid RLG/GPS-based inertial
navigation system developed by the DRDO’s RCI laboratory has been successfully
flight-tested numerous times on board different types of ballistic and cruise missiles, then
what prevents it from being used on-board platforms like the Tejas MRCA and
LCH?
When will the fully functional
DRDO-developed Rustom-1 MALE-UAV begin entering service? Why has the DRDO
failed to adhere to the original service-entry deadline of late 2013?
Why has the DRDO failed so far to
develop COMINT and ELINT payloads for both the Rustom-1 and Rustom-2 MALE-UAVs?
Why does the DRDO-developed Ku-band
synthetic aperture radar (SAR) occupy twice as much space volume as that of the
in-service EL/M-2055D SARs delivered by the ELTA Systems subsidiary of Israel
Aerospace Industries?
Does the DRDO possess any technological
roadmap for developing a family of airborne AESA-MMRs? Or has it restricted
itself to developing only the ‘Uttam’ AESA-MMR for the projected Tejas Mk2/LCA
(Navy) Mk2 MRCA when, worldwide, established OEMs and developers of AESA-MMRs
are busy introducing newer mission-specific applications, such as the EL/M-2022ES
that can go on-board both UAVs and manned maritime surveillance/ASW platforms?
Will the MoD insist on procuring
left-hand-drive TATRA heavy-duty trucks from BEML for mounting the DRDO-developed
and BEL-built S-band Arudhra MPRs and Ashwini MRSRs? Or will the MoD ensure a
level playing-field by soliciting competitive bids from both BEML and India’s
private-sector truck manufacturers?
391 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 391 of 391Sir, you are incorrect BOUT THE C-17 STILL BEING IN PRODCUTION, THE FINAL C-17 HAS JUST BEEN COMPELTED AND THE 10 "WHITE TAILS" - THE LAST C-17S EVER PRODUCED BY BOEING HAVE ALL BUT BEEN SNATCHED UP BY AUSTRALIA, THE UK AND UAE.
THERE IS NO NO CHANCE THE IAF WILL HAVE MORE THAN 10 C-17S EVER.
I GUESS IT IS TIME WE START LOOKING AT THE A-400? 10 C-17S AREN'T ENOUGH FOR THE IAF.
Sir, check these out in case you already haven't -
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2eeucg_gam-birth-and-death-of-pakistan-in-english-july-27-2013_school
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ha6h2_islam-jihad-and-pakistan_school
Want to know if this point in the report is accurate:
"India already has two main working security understandings in the region, namely with Saudi Arabia and Qatar. While details of India’s strategic understanding with Riyadh remain largely unknown, New Delhi signed an expansive defense agreement with Doha in 2008, thought to be a “one of a kind,” not signed with any other country since. Under the agreement, New Delhi has committed to protect Qatar’s assets and interests from external threats."
http://thediplomat.com/2015/03/indias-middle-east-policy-gathers-momentum/
Just what is the nature of these understandings with these 2 countries? What do we get out of it? And do we have similar understandings with other countries?
My advice to sakhtivel ramaswamy, since your posts keep getting deleted, I wonder if you guys could start your own blog. It would be interesting to get the other side as we all know how much info actually comes from the official LCA website.
I very much support the HAL, but still have to think that if the design of Tejas-Mk1 was so proper and perfect then why the things are still getting inordinately delayed. If Tejas-Mk1/Mk2 were good enough, then even Rafale could have been delayed to some extent. m
sir
why whole indian media is wishing for cancellation of Rafale deal?
The Indian media thinks that if Rafale is cancelled then the windfall will drop in to the court of F-35 via Su-30 MKI(Modified).
hI Prasun
Iran of late seems to unveil a new class of weapons every 6 months, it was the modified version of the northrop f-5 , now a cruise missile that looks russian, the lattice fins also add to that. Is russia or china behind all this ?.They are going to release a pic of a long range sam as well ?. what is the real truth .I dont believe they can do all this given their scientific base and sanctions all around
sorry prasun , that was me above!!
To Mr.RA. 9: Most of your doubts will be cleared after reading this:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/hindustan-aeronautics-ltd-improve-productivity-overhaul/1/418588.html
BJP govt while is lucky with Intl Fuel prices, Indian Govt is getting the right price from Spectrum Auction and Coal Auction.
Hope most of the fiscal worries will be solved sooner.
The Spectrum and Coal Transparent Auction shows how much Indian Companies robbed Indian Public and How Congress Helped them.
While 2G is due to Manmohan Inefficiency and AIADMK corruption, COAL scam is due to Congress MP Dasari Narayana Rao and other COAL ministry employees again helped by Congress.
JINDAL, TATA, RIL are the main robbers in 2G and COAL scam.
Prasun, do you think the currency auction statistics help in reducing the burden of NDA govt?
PrasunDa,
Pipavav & L&T have been shortlisted by GOI for Project 75I
http://www.financialexpress.com/article/companies/govt-shortlists-larsen-toubro-pipavav-for-rs-6000-cr-submarine-contract/51455/
Who do you think will eventually bag the project?
Pipavav(via Reliance) is said to be very close to the current party in power.
Thanks & Regards,
Vikram
Thanx for the link providing basic clarifications. It was profound and points out the root problems stymieing the real growth of HAL.
Sir,what are your views on the current political situation in j&k? It seems mufti wants to show he is not a rubber stamp cm of gov of india and has some decision making power. It looks like a sort of appeasement of his vote bank as he has had to do a 180°turn on all his pre election rhetoric.
to raw13
The caste system was prevalent and no doubt it was a a mistake in a democracy.But you should understand we have come a long way off and there is by and large equality.Today in large cities caste is never an issue but still prevails in villages.
Stop preaching to us after all your fore fathers also who were hindus adopted the same ways. They force converted to islam under the marauding muslim hordes from turkey, Mongolia,persia etc.
well if you think pakistan is better way off then why is " the land of the pure a disgraced failed nation" subsisting on alms and exported jihadism?. Dont tell me there is no caste system in porkistan, we all know better.First treat your fellow shias ,ahmedias ,hindus , christians, bahais,baluchis etc on equal terms rather than murder them under lunatic blasphemy laws.
I dont know if the koran told you to kill people for blasphemy,correct me if so.Well if true then I think who ever wrote it was scared of the contents being debated and proven wrong.This applies to all religious books.
As far as the LCA goes yes it is delayed program, Yes we want the best .The program is mismanaged. BUt in the long run we will have a good fighter plane that has been built by us .We have created a scientific base as well. BUt you, have to go for everything to your masters for nukes , missiles etc .
A nation lacking confidence ?you or me ?!!!, go fly a kite.
hi prasun
reports suggest that india is planning to establish radar stations , in sri lanka, Maldives Seychelles,Mauritius etc .Will the respective countries agree to that?.Any land based radar can reach out as far as the radar horizon approx 25 km, so its not a big deal.What we should we have is a way to survey at least 200 km ie the ECZ in these countries which can only be done by air surveillance. What i s the current situation?.
Dear Prasunji,
Need your comments on news about India Russia SU-35S negotiation. Is it another yellow journalism or SU35S would be in addition to Rafale because Rafale deal seems final after recent Dassault-HAL agreement on production?
Apparently, the present day Afghan president is taking Pakistan side than Indian side.
First time in Afghanistan's history, Afghan Govt has sent its cadets to Pakistan for training. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/afghan-cadets-pakistan-training
Ghani also rejected arms from India. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/09/hamid-karzai-if-we-give-up-control-of-our-foreign-policy-pakistan-taliban-ashraf-ghani-india
Looks like India is losing the grip of friendship between India and Afghanistan. It seems Mr. Ghani is another Mufti Muhammed in making.
RaviN
Mr. Ashraf Ghani is playing internal taquaiyya with Pakistan666.
Sir, will the P-15Bs come with a new generation voume search radar like the RAN-40L like on board the IAC-1??
HI prasun
The army ipoised to order a large number of vshorads , why havent we asked for local production ?. Good way to get missile tech. Even pakistan manufactures it own vshorads.
To ROBOTIC: I had already stated earlier in this thread that the former Defence Minister, AKA, had cancelled the sole contract for the RAN-40L radar that had been ordered for the IAC-1. Unless that decision is reversed, no follow-on orders for RAN-40Ls can be placed.
To RAD: Lolzzzzz! If that was indeed the way forward to acquire ToT, then India would by now have become a nett exporter of such weapons. Truth is, no amount of licence-manufacturing can teach anyone how to go about developing indigenous solutions. For instance, licenced-production of ATC radars for the IAF by BEL has not taught BEL or the DRDO till this day how to develop advanced air-traffic control/management radars. The IAF, IN & Airports Authority of India continues to be totally reliant on imports of such hardware, & even for items like runway lights, landing aids, marker beacons, precision approach radars, etc etc. All hardware for the MAFI project are being imported from the US, UK, Finland & New Zealand. That's indigenisation for your over the last 68 years.
To REDDY: 2G scam & granite smuggling scam was due to the DMK, not AIADMK. And Jaganmohan Reddy himself is sitting on an estimated Rs.25,000 crores worth of ill-gotten wealth.
Hi
Indian army has ordered Bullet proof jackets 50000 and more 50000 aer to be sourced .
Can you tell either TAML or MKU won the contract ??
Are the jackets old type or NEW LIght weight designed for FINSAS by TAML and MKU
Part of the System
Hey Prasun, blog no fun with more questions than answers. Looking forward to your coverage of the AeroIndia and IDEX. Long overdue!!
To ROBOTIC: LoLz! I’m as serious as I can ever be. As for probable solutions, why is the DRDO been keeping silent on this issue for the past 5 years? If I recall correctly, it was the former DRDO Chief Dr V K Saraswat who had confidently proclaimed in February 2010 that it was indigenously developing the L-band LRTR. So how come it has not yet been able to develop a scaled-down L-band version of the LRTR for IAC-1? Why was it decided in 2012 to import the L-band RAN-40L for IAC-1? Was it because the DRDO’s claims then were ALL HOLLOW & without any substance? And is the deafening slience that continues to emanate from the DRDO till this day indicative of the DRDO’s total inability to develop any kind of new-generation L-band radar, be it a shipborne radar or the LRTR? Hmm…….looks like I was right after all when I had stated 3 years ago that the DRDO was nowhere near to developing an indigenous LRTR for BMD. Wouldn’t you agree?
To Anon@12.20AM: Totally agree with you. Am working on it right now. Meanwhile, do watch this revealing interview of RM manohar Parikkar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfAYbeSiblo
Here's more bullshitting from the PA about the so-called 'indigenous' 'Bourraq' UCAV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECfQNezoaHQ&hd=1
This UCAV, which was delivered by China back in mid-2013, is being commissioned into service only now! By the way, this UCAV is the Chinese CH-3. However, the fact to be acknowledged is that the PA is South Asia's first army to introduce UCAVs into operational service.
Prasuda...just heard that Pakistan have tested their drone armed with laser guided weapon...when will HAL/ADA make one for India...the Rustom is and has always been a prototype and I don't think it will ever get into service.
Prasun Da, was not IAF about to acquire IAI Harop ?
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-02-05/news/36764597_1_harop-american-predators-and-reapers-killer-drones
""To REDDY: 2G scam & granite smuggling scam was due to the DMK, not AIADMK. And Jaganmohan Reddy himself is sitting on an estimated Rs.25,000 crores worth of ill-gotten wealth.""
Is your Jagan comment has something to do with my surname?
To PINTU: HAROPs are in service with the IAF since 2012. But the HAROP is not a re-usable UCAV, but rather a loitering PGM.
To REDDY: Not at all. The identical surnames are purely coincidental. What I was pointing towards was the need for the Govt of India to first go after black-money stockpilings in-country, instead of loitering abroad like headless chicken.
How long you going to stretch this thread? Your last post was in Mid-February. NO photos of AI-2015, IDEX 2015, what are you doing these days?
Do post soon..
hi Prasun
Please post pics of AI 2015 and abu dhabi show ,that contain some thing new rather than the old stuff that has been displayed time after time.
India also copied Burt Rutan`s long-ez and named it Rustom -1 .The Chinese did the same and now call it ch-3. Many years ago .
, I saw the the prototype after it was built from a kit imported from USA. should be 30 years ago.
Its a wonderful ac no doubt ,a classic that does not have any competitors.
I think we should beg borrow and reverse engineer like the chinese in the national interest. After all just like money has no color, defense product are the same as long as it works.
HI prasun
I really wonder if armed UCAV of the rustom 1 class are really relevant in today sophisticated air defense scene?. They will get shot out of the sky.Any thing flying above 500 ft and below 40,000 ft is prone to get shot down. So i believe they can be used only in counter insurgency tasks.
smaller uavs like the sky lark can escape due to low signatures .
was the searcher uav which was sent across into pak airspace and got shot down, a deliberate act or loss of control?
The shape of the Burraq UCAV is certainly similar to CH-3 and Rustom1. Infact Iranians also have something similar. It is one of the common drone shape that seems to exist in more than one country.
Having said that the dimensions seem to be different to CH-3, eg. the wingspan is larger. This UCAV is powered by an Austrian Engine, with almost all Pakistani content inside. Infact it has more Pakistani content than LCA has indian content.
Likewise, the missile has a body similar to the hellfire and chinese AR1 but inside is all pakistani. This is thanks to uncle SAM's gadgets falling from the sky, over 10yrs ago. Infact quite a few projects got started during the last 10-15yrs based on uncle SAMs technology and have since been completed in partnership with China. This is mainly due to financial reasons. The plus side is Pakistan can manufacture these inhouse now and export them too.
There are number of other goodies too, for whom testing is in final stages.
Hi Prasun,
You had written about super sukhoi in 2011
link is
http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2011/05/super-su-30mki-from-air-dominance-to.html
What is the status of this program? You are requested to feature an updated response to this in your blog... Is it for just 50 odd for SFC or whole fleet of 272?
UCAV of almost any type is a sitting duck if it operates alone. If however it's part of the network, then its not quite harmless. UCAV's armed with ASM's, with ranges from 6-30km are lethal in conventional and non-conventional roles and not very easy to track, especially with HARM missiles around.
The current ASM on Burraq (the Burq) has a range of approx 10km. Now imagine what it could do, if equipped with something like the Spike-ER, say in a CSD scenario? (chines already have a 25km ASM, the CM-502KG).
@raw13,
it makes good sense for the PA to go for a UCAV, because it is a low cost long endurance solution for targeting militants in the borders. It is far cheaper to operate it compared to manned fighters for COIN roles. Moreover, there is always the attractive plausible deniability that any drone strike which harms civilians by labeling them american!!!. But, uncle Sam is lightyears smarter to allow such things unless they feel there is some interest for them too. In any conventional war with India or Iran they may not be of much use except as a nuisance, in the current form.
Sreenivas R.
@Sreenivas R
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
To LAPSE & RAD: Will do. Have been busy with several seminars off late. But later tonight will upload part-1 of the AI-2015 report.
To RAD: UCAVs like the CH-3 are more useful when targetting marauding bands of land-mobile terrorists. They’re totally useless against conventional forces engaged in manoeuvre warfare. The IA’s Searcher Mk2 was deliberately sent that deep inside Pakistan. There was no error of any type.
To RAW13: LoLzzz!!!! The Buraq & everything inside it, over it & around it is all 100% of Chinese origin. I have that on record from both AVIC & CATIC & in fact the CATIC marketing manager responsible for this project confirmed all this during IDEX-2015. And as the saying goes, seeing is believing. Therefore, kindly produce any video footage or still-photographs that appear in corporate annual calendars showing the following: 1) Buraq UCAV & all its related components being produced inside Pakistan. 2) JF-17 Thunder MRCA’s airframe & avionics being produced inside Pakistan. Show me just a single photo showing the JF-17’s airframe machining/rivetting processes. 3) Ballistic & cruise missiles being produced or even being assembled inside any of the NDC’s/NESCOM’s industrial facilities.
Let me assure you & everyone else that you will come back empty-handed. Period! Why? Elementary. How can someone reproduce something that does not even exist! Had such evidence of local industrial inputs existed, they would surely be telecast on most Pakistani TV channels & would also be shown in commercial video presentations that are always displayed during expos like IDEX & Dubai Air Show. But alas! They have yet to appear. Therefore, if you still persist in thriving in cuckooland amidst a world of make-belief, by all means be my guest. But don’t even try to impose your lifestyle on those who prefer to be discerning & common-sensical.
And finally, no 25km-range ASM using either RF data-links or fibre-optic wires has ever been fired from any UCAV, US or Chinese. The CH-4 Wing Loong UCAV of AVIC/CATIC comes armed with only laser-guided Blue 7 & Blue Arrow-9 ASMs with range not exceeding 8km. Both were shown as external exhibits at IDEX-2015.
some one must pass this news to the India's Daughter Author and other people
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11474841/IPCC-announces-probe-into-claims-Met-Police-covered-up-boys-murder.html
The IA’s Searcher Mk2 was deliberately sent that deep inside Pakistan. There was no error of any type.
Just curious to know what could be the reason that was sent that deep?
Thank you.
@ Anon March 16, 2015, 5:37 PM
It will make no difference. The London Metropolitan Police and the BBC has been found to be institutionally racist in numerous studies carried out by the UK Govt.
Last week BBC Top Gear star Jeremy Clarkson called a person a "Niglet" and then slapped him inside a BBC studio.
Re the movie, India's Daughter it has been well established now how Leslie Udwin cheated the authorities and the victim's parents.
You can read it here
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/Deception-Lies-Behind-Making-of-India%E2%80%99s-Daughter/2015/03/09/article2704869.ece
@Sreenivas R
You are correct. This is a game changer especially in CI/CT. It has a very good loiter time, is able to operate from pretty rough places and off course, compared to say F-16 is very cheap to operate. PA operates this along with the Shahpur UAV.
Sujoy :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUmDDMX9tU
@ Pintu,
Nice find. Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting reads indeed:
http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?contentId=18553475&programId=1073755753&tabId=13&BV_ID=@@@&categoryId=-225861
http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?contentId=18554555&programId=1073755753&tabId=13&BV_ID=@@@&categoryId=-225861
These two pieces help bring out the bitter truth regarding the M-MRCA & Tejas MRCA.
@Prasun da,
i am surprised that you endorsed an article which again went for bean counting. India's operational fleet is 25 squadron while Pakistan's 25 squadron are all operational and upto date!, what logic is that.So does China's. And is J-10 sold to Pakistan? Every airforce faces the problem of fleet availability and obsolescence.
If really bean counting and squadron counting was IAFs primary concern, it did not go ahead with timely upgradation of Mig27 and Jaguar (not yet). It could as well have inducted Tejas (for light duties) or second hand mirages.
The only thing that matters to IAF is brand new MMRCA, i am wondering what if the parent company went broke and cannot fullfil commitments (like sanctions). No plan B?. It is very sad that a professional force cannot plan its inventory (including the resistant bureaucracy and money crunch).
after all i am wondering the usefulness of bean counting against potential adversaries...with Pak-China combined we need 45 squadrons. What if Bangladesh and Srilanka also join? we need 60? 70?. Ok if given that 45 squadron of your choice is provided, is there a guarantee that you wont be surprised?.
We should rather have looked at the capability to defend (and offend), including SAMs, Advanced Radars, AEW&C, UAVs, C4ISR, troupe lift, attack helos and above all humint and satellites as a whole to see if the combinatorial approach is deficient or not.
I guess if we apply same logic Army will ask for 3 more mountain corps, Navy will ask for 10 nuclear carriers..the list goes endless.
How much we have and what we can get should be paramount than bean counting by generals.
apologies for long post...
As tail piece, I love our IAF, they were the only service ready to punitive actions(on Pak) after 26-11. I wish that they get all that they want. But if wishes were horse...
Sreenivas R.
Prasun,
ACM Krishnaswamy's article in "Manorma Online" which you have referred is actually criticising IAF's choice of Rafale. His second half of the article reinforces that Indian Air Force is going in wrong direction and Rafale is going to be its costly mistake..
Quite interesting read..indeed.
Since they have to pay in installments, they should start purchasing at least for 3 squadrons of Rafale directly from the OEM. Meanwhile other requirements can be settled out with reference to the time.
Prasun Da,
Based on what Parikkar said in Parliament today it seems the Rafale deal is off, unless the French budge
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/Parrikar-Puts-his-Foot-Down-No-Compromise-on-Rafale-Deal/2015/03/18/article2718998.ece
Regards,
Vikram
To Mr.RA 9: This is exactly what was proposed way back on February 20, 2006 by France. But the then UPA-1 govt in its all-knowing wisdom decided to opt for a global M-MRCA competition that made India the laughing stock. How & Why? Even a cursory investigation reveals that the US offer of the Super Hornet was both the cheapest & technologically the best. Only a moron will conclude that the US with its huge weapons production volumes won’t become L-1 or won’t be more advanced than what everyone else has to offer. And yet, the farcical M-MRCA competition was conducted. If India has concluded g-to-g contracts with Russia & France for INS Vikramaditya & MiG-29Ks & Scorpene SSKs, then where was the need for inviting global bids for the M-MRCA? India should have just gone ahead & inked the Rafale deal with France at a time when even the French were advising India against going ahead with the Mirage 2000UPG upgrade & instead had advised the GoI to invest that money on procuring Rafales.
To VIKRAM GUHA: In that case, India is in VERY SERIOUS TROUBLE, since technical problems will inevitably crop up with any weapon of Russian origin that was never developed for operating under Indian conditions. This is borne out by what the RM himself stated in Parliament yesterday: Su-30MKIs saw 35 engine failures, due to which the IAF had to procure 25 new AL-31FPs with modified technology from the concerned Russian OEM, which had suggested some modifications in production of new AL-31FPs. An analysis of 69 incidents of technical troubles in the Su-30MKI showed that in 33 cases, the reason was due to the chips in the oil and vibration in engine bearings. In 11 cases, low pressure of lubricating oil was the fault and other faults were identified in eight cases. Extensive discussions were held with the Russian OEMs and a better quality of engine oil was procured. Some adjustments and repairs in the ball bearings also resolved some of the issues. After the fact finding efforts, it was noticed that the serviceability of the aircraft went up by 7% from 49% per in the last eight to nine months. The IAF is striving to take it up to 70% by the end of this year.
Then there’s the problem of lack of cockpit crew resource management systems, especially for the Su-30MKIs. That’s exactly why there was an in-flight tiff between the pilot & WSO of the last Su-30MKI that had crashed—as explained in the report of THE WEEK. Had the IAF acquired the LIFT version of the Tejas Mk1, such highly embarrassing failures could well have been avoided. No wonder the IAF has traditionally been very shy to release the contents of the Boards of Enquiry involving aircraft crashes.
To SREENIVAS R: Haven’t endorsed any such report, merely flagged it. One cannot blame the IAF for bean-counting when it comes to formulating force structures & postures. The buck always starts & ends with the executive branch of the Govt of India. Unless it does the job for what it is being paid for, the IAF certainly can’t be blamed for this lapse. For instance, if a two-front scenario involving collusive threats is envisaged against a nuclear overhang, then what kind of conflict scenario can be expected? Will it be concurrent conflicts, or sequential? Will they be limited conflicts, or all-out wars? What will be the duration of such wars? Put simply, ALL THESE can easily be answered through a STRATEGIC DEFENCE REVIEW of the kind that hasn’t been undertaken since 1963—this being a classic case of criminal negligence of successive Govts of India since 1998. Consequently, force structures/postures of all 3 armed services CAN NEVER be articulated with accuracy in such a flawed environment. As a result, bean-counting processes endure, leading to erroneous force modernisation targets being set, which then obviously can’t be achieved. Bottomline: if the basics are not set right at the outset, everything else gets built up over flimsy foundations.
To SK: Don’t know how you could ever reach such a conclusion. Reality is that there’s no other alternative. Beggars can’t be choosers. Today the IAF has reached a stage where it has to go for the Rafale & later the FGFA & it has clearly stated that it has lost all faith in the Tejas Mk1/2 projects. Do you want the IAF to wait till 2018 to find out whether or not the Tejas Mk2 meets the IAF’s ASQRs? As of now, detailed design of the Tejas Ml2’s airframer has not even commenced, & everyone is waiting for the first tranche of F414 turbofans to arrive this June, following which detailed airframe design will commence. So far, only rejigging of the cockpit avionics suite has taken place & this too has failed to impress the IAF.
To Mr.RA 9: This is what had transpired:
The French offer was made by Charles Edelstenne, CEO of Dassault Aviation, when he called on the Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh in New Delhi on February 20, 2006. The Deputy Chief of the Air Staff Air Marshal AK Nangalia was also present. Edelstenne said his company informed the Minister of Dassault's decision not to field its upgraded Mirage 2000-5 for the Indian deal."Though India has not not floated the Request for Proposals (RFP), we have conveyed to India to supply 40 Rafale multi-mission fighters in single source deal", the Dassault CEO, who is currently here as part of French President Jacques Chirac business entourage, said.
To VIKRAM GUHA: And has anyone within either the MoD or IAF even thought of leveraging through spinoffs the development of 1st-line & 2nd-line testers (diagnostic kits) that have already been developed for the Tejas Mk1 & which can also be used for servicing the avionics of the Su-30MKI, Jaguar DARIN-3 or Mirage 2000UPG or MiG-29UPG? The answer to that is: NOT YET!
Dear Prasunji,
It seems even this defence minister is going to prove a liability rather than assets for defence forces. what is use of technical skills he was boasting if he can't understand even basic. Look like he has been sucked into by perpetual inefficient bureaucracy of MoD.
Yes, now I remember the old offer of 40 Rafale. You are correct. That offer was highly justified then and perhaps even now. Why nobody else then could understand the simple business and technical conclusions that you are pointing now. Meanwhile so many precious years and money has been lost just for nothing.
Su-30MKI is a grand and most useful aircraft but it is not an exact substitute of the Rafale.
Now I will be most eager to see that whether the FGFA arrives first or the Tejas-Mk2.
To PAWAN: I’m sure you will concur that one does not need to be an IIT graduate for the sake of grasping the basics of life. For instance, before I decide from where to buy & what to buy, I must first decide why I need to buy & whether I can afford to buy the desired product. In other words, unless the FUNDAMENTALS are first resolved, one will never be able to construct a firm foundation on top of which to build other structures. TWO matters need to be resolved immediately: 1) a tri-services strategic defence review that clearly spells out what’s required; & 2) re-writing of the gazette document called ‘Rules of Business’ of the Govt of India. You will be aghast to read in that document that the only person who’s responsible for ensuring the defence of India is the Defence Secretary, & NOT the Defence Minister! In other words, the official entrusted with ensuring the defence of India is neither answerable to the citizens of India, nor is he/she held accountable to the citizens of India. Therefore, technically, whatever any Defence Minister says or promises to do holds absolutely no water, since he/she can easily pass the buck when it comes to the crunch by claiming that under the GoI’s rules of business, he/she cannot be held accountable or be held liable for any matter relating to India’s national security. If this has been the state of affairs since 1950, how can matters progress along a logical path? Obviously, therefore, there is then no other option but to just keep on muddling through.
To Mr.RA 9: The only writng on the wall now says that instead of electing to licence-build the Rafale at a prohibitive cost, the only plausible option now left on the table in order to tide over the crisis is to procure ASAP 60 Rafales directly from Dassault Aviation. And use some of that money saved to invest in a fleet of 90 Tejas Mk1 LIFT aircraft that will be dual-tasked for undertaking battlefield air-interdiction (close air-support) as well by being armed with lightweight laser-guided PGMs now available from Israel. After all, one does not need 300kg Griffin-3 LGBs to destroy a solitary MBT or a field artillery howitzer. When launched from dual- & triple-ejector racks, the Tejas Mk1 will be able to carry up to 10 lightweight laser-guided PGMs + a Litening-2 LDP. Such a solution (which the IAF has mysteriously not yet explored) will then easily enable the IAF to begin replacing the MiG-27Ms & HAL & all its private-sector industrial vendors too will all benefit greatly from an expanded order-book for the Tejas Mk1 variant. If this is done, then the IAF should easily be able to muster about 90 dual-tasked tandem-seat Tejas Mk1s & up to 60 Tejas Mk1 single-seaters optimised for battlefield air-interdiction.
HI Prasun
The astra seems to have achieved a g force of 27 g !and the scientists seem to be happy, World over all missiles now achieve 50g!!,Is it that they have given false information as it is a classified parameter,
The IIR missiles asraam, python 5 can pull more than 50 g.
Is there a plan to start working on a IIR short range dog fight missile ?.IN that case i hope jokers in DRDO dont promise to make a missile in 5 years and drag along for 15 years like the astra. Obviously the best way is to rope in collaboration in areas where we have zero experience and start from there.That model seems to be the only one to work in India.
Would the C-dome the variant of the iron dome be a better cheaper substitute for the short range maitri missile?. This missile can be realized in a year , so say the Israel`s. It would be a later better replacement for small ships as a defense against saturation ASCM attacks, where the old barak misile is not capable.
Yes, it is the time to fully exploit the available design of Tejas-Mk1 within its inherent limitations if any. You have rightly suggested for its role of the LIFT, interdiction and lighter but accurate close air support in sufficient numbers. Direct purchase of 3 Squadrons of Rafale accompanied with all other compensating numbers of the Su-30MKI can surely and certainly suffice for all the requirements of the IAF whether as per the single front or multiple front theory. This will save all the time and money and even then provide for all the desired impetus to the make in India policy. FGFA and Tejas-Mk2 shall be considered as futuristic and AMCA to be understood as never arriving.
HI Prasun
with regards to the lca used for interdiction, the delta wing is not suitable for low level NOE missions like the mirage 2k. Will it be a compromise.? The way forward would be to get a large no of spice 250 type weapons . It makes no sense now a days to send any aircraft to use dumb bombs on a target .The attrition rate is going to be very high .An Lca would cost 35 mill$ approx if 1 ac gets shot down in a raid then thats 35 mill down the drain plus the pilot . Am i right.?
Why isnt any body thinking in those terms like the Israelis. The claim is 4 f-15s can take out a an entire airbase launching approx 96 spice 250 glide bombs with pinpoint accuracy.!!
even if they cost .5 million$ apiece it is still extremely cost effective and will keep our ac and crew safe! please comment.
If we choose to build the rafale i wonder how 3 world class production lines can be set up, each for the LCA, rafale ,ffga, amca!! we dont have the expertise in any field.
why is the IAF refusing to induct he LCA as a lift trainer?
Prasunda,
Why everybody is silent over this issue & till now no international body(EU/UN/Greenpeace) has shown any formal protest-
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/look-how-quickly-china-is-building-its-island-bases-out-1691571576
And with respect to MMRCA deal from the very beginning it was about 'not to put all eggs in 1 basket' & 'money was not a factor'. Otherwise additional sukhoi or mig option was always there & precious years would not have been wasted.
To RD: Do watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnMXscDc11E&hd=1
@Rad Nobody tests their system to its maximum capability at the first try . The G levels will be stepped up gradually over many tests.
To RAD: NOE flight profile comes into play only for tactical air-interdiction & deep penetration when flight into hostile airspace is undertaken. Battlefield air-interdiction/close air-support is totally different since it does not amount to penetrating hostile airspace. Instead, the aircraft stays at medium altitude under friendly air-cover (and beyond the engagement envelopes of MANPADS) & engages targets with the combination of LDPs & laser-guided PGMs. This is similar to how the IAF's Hunters engaged the PA's armoured regiment at Longewala in 1971.
As for BVRAAM effectiveness, what counts most is the g-load of the target being engaged & not the BVRAAM's g-load limits, since any BVRAAM will have to stay within the FOV of the launch-aircraft's MMR's field-of-view up to the mid-course phase. Consequently, any defensive jibkig manoeuvres attempted by the targetted aircraft is offset by the BVRAAM's proportional navigation capabilities. Therefore, all BVRAAMs like Astra-1 & even R-77 have the ability to engage targets with g-load limits of up to 12 G. WVRAAMs like R-73E or Python-5 have to pull far higher g-loads immediately after launch/release/ejection since their off-boresight targetting cues come not from the MMR, but from the HMDS. Therefore, the g-load sustainment envelopes of BVRAAMs & WVRAAMs differ substantially & should not be compared.
To Mr.RA 9: While the Tejas Mk1's tandem-seat LIFT & single-seater versions can take care of all-weather battlefield air-interdiction/close air-support, the IA too should be empowered to undertake its own close air-support missions by utilising the hunter-killer combination of LAH & RSH. If the IA acquires 150 LAHs & about 80 RSHs, then there won't be any need for maintaining an inventory of 4,000 battle tanks. Instead, a force structure comprising just 2,000 MBTs like Arjun Mk1A/Mk2 will more than suffice, which will then enable the IA to convert its existing T-72M1 tanks into tank destroyers (when armed with ATGMs like the BMP-T Terminator is in Russia) as well as dedicated minefield breaching vehicles. This in turn will do away with the need for the Arjun Mk1A/M2 MBTs being equipped with 1.5-tonne track-width mine-ploughs.
Now I rediscover that the "not to put all eggs in one basket" theory was a hoax perpetrated by the vested interests for their own benefits. Today we can see that without the SU-30MKI and the T-90, our defense would have been severely in the doldrums by now. Now we know that none among the six proud contenders of the MMRCA was actually able to comply with our techno-commercial requirements.
Sorry, I could not read your last comments before my posting. Anyhow as like other of your ideas, this also seems to be revolutionary as it adds a new dimension in the form of tank destroyers on a larger basis.
why don't you get a blogger ID Mr RA 9 so no one can steal it and confuse the readers? Maharaj did(from WI) as SBM although he only appears these days as a shooting star! BTW one can see whether Livefist peddles news or sensational gossips like the women's magazines! How can anyone compare two completely different types of aircrafts built for different purpose? "Rafale vs Su 30 MKI" sounds like a reality but it is purely hogwash.
Prasunda,
Recently going through an article, which if happens in near future can be a difficult situation for our defence forces-
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/could-the-iaf-be-confronted-with-computer-stuffed-cockpits-of-plaaf/
hi prasun
I am given to understand that if an ac is pulling 9g while travelling at approx 700 to 800 km per hr in a dog fight, the attacking missile travelling at approx 2500 km per hr ie approx mach 2 assuming it is coasting after motor burn out, will have to pull at least 3 + times in g`s ie 2500/800 kmh as "g" is a function of speed and turn rate. So that approx 27 g`s which is too close with no reserve capability.That was my concern.Of course proportional navigation guidance will ease things.
what would be the g pulling load capacity of missiles like the amraam and the r-77?
The IAF likes the AN-32 , it has served us well, in that case why cant we order more newer version of it and get a TOT from Ukraine which will be cheap reliable and Ukraine will be very happy.?
Another news says that the iaf is very happy with the akash missile system and is going to order more.How can it be better than the barak-8 with active homing? AESA radar, longer range. After all it is 2 gen ahead of the akash with all its umpteen support systems?.The akash system is going to present many more targets to the enemy where any breach in the link can render it useless.?
hi prasun
coming to your suggestion that the rudra and the lch deployed in numbers can stop a tank assaults .This will be complicated in today's scenario for the fact that each tank column will be protected by dedicated mobile shorads mounted on APC M113 . The the rbs-70 and anza series. I do remember apache helis being scared of shoulder fired missiles in the gulf war.
The only remedy would be having an integrated battlefield surveillance radar linked to helis firing fire and forget ATGW like helina or PARS to reduce exposure time.
I personally dont think the rbs-70 would be efective in the plains of punjab, guj,and rajasthan as the dust and smoke would obscure man guided sams.The same applies to IR guided misisle and laser missiles.your comments please
PrasunDa,
Why is it that the IAF always faces problems in getting spares for the Su 30MKI from Russia?
I understand similar spares made in India are of extremely low quality.
Thanks,
What is common between Pakistan and Prasun Sengupta? They never fulfill their promises.
Pakistan keeps promising that it will stop sponsoring terrorism in India. Prasun keeps promising that he will post information on AI-2015 and IDEX 2015.
Neither of that has happened so far !!!
To VIKRAM GUHA: Not all spares for Su-30MKIs & Mi-17V-5s come from Russia. A fair bit comes from Ukraine. Will try to upload the spare part nos & their descriptions in the next thread.
To LAPS: LoLZZZZ!!!!!!! Will upload the outstanding stuff tonight. Have been quite busy with the on-going LIMA-2015 expo at Langkawi.
To PIERRE ZORIN: LoLz! Very aptly summed up indeed.
To RD: Rest assured that even the US has so far deployed UCAVs against only rag-tag bunch of guerrillas & insurgents, & not against any cohesive, organised ground force formation that's supported by friendly air-cover. Therefore, for someone to speculate about combat aircraft being converted into armed drones for massed precision-strike operations is stretching it a bit too far.
(Erstwhile Mr. RA9)
I understand that the learned RM from the IIT saying that the Su-30 MKI can be an alternative to the Rafale is to create a business pressure on Rafale or is a goal post shifting.
BTW what can be the pure weapon load carrying capacity of the Tejas Mk1 (LIFT) during ground attack roles.
To RAJESH MISHRA: The RM actually did not say that Su-30MKIs will serve as alternatives to the Rafale. What he had stated was that in case there were delays in inducting the Rafales, then increasing the serviceability & availability rates of the IAF's inventory of Su-30MKIs will help in arresting the depletion of the IAF's combat aircraft assets.
Tejas Mk1 can carry 3.5 tonnes of weapons.
VMT for the simplest explanation.
Dear Prasun,
You say that most of Kashmiris want to join the main stream of India. But why they have strong inclination towards Pakistan. It is evident from their reaction during a cricket match. It is security force which celebrate the win against Pakistan in Srinagar, not the general people. They celebrate the win of Pakistan and use fire crackers to show it. Common people behavior represent the nature of a state. Certainly India should take some drastic steps to change the sentiment of the people of Kashmir. Even if a vote is conducted I think 90% of Kashmirs will chose to stay with Pakistan.
To JAYANTA BORDOLOI: What for? Today dual-ejector & triple ejector racks are available that significantly increases the number of PGMs that a single pylon installation can accommodate. So why the need for transforming a light MRCA into a medium MRCA? Spice 250, Spice 1000 & Spice 2000, Popeye-Lite etc are PGMs that are meant to engage high-value static ground targets like TELs of ballistic/cruise missiles & long-range MBRLs & such PGMs will be launched by Mirage 2000UPGs & Rafales while they're cruising inside hostile airspace as deep & tactical interdictors--missions for which the Tejas Mk2 will be unsuitable due to its shorter combat radius. Akash is a SAM & cannot be fired from any combat aircraft. Astra-1 will be fired AFTER the MMR now being flight-tested on a PV-series Tejas Mk1 gets its airworthiness certification.
To SOUBHAGYA: Fringe elements supporting Pakistan can be found in only certain districts within the Valley of Kashmir. And the Valley by no means is representative of the rest of J & K. Go to northern Kashmir or eastern Kashmir & the situation there is totally different. Hell, go even to Skardu in PoK & you will find the Shias there longing to restore their age-old socio-economic ties with Kargil. And cheering any particular national team during a sporting tournament is certainly not indicative of one's patriotic leanings. One needs to get out of myopic mindsets that call for cheering only the Indian team during any sporting tournament in an environment of zenophobic nationalistic fervour.
The following is the RM’s statement on March 20, 2015:
Main Battle Tank (MBT) Arjun, a multidisciplinary Armoured Fighting Vehicle (AFV) developed by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), has already been inducted into the Indian Army. DRDO is presently engaged in the development of Arjun MBT Mk-II with 73 tank related improvements (including 18 major improvements), as on date, over MBT Mk-I. DRDO has taken proactive measures and decided to go-ahead with the following enabling & critical advance technologies development projects, so as to fill-up the technological gap and as well as to reduce the foreign dependence for all the future Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs):
Design and development of engine.
Design vetting of automatic transmission system, which is to be followed-up by a technology development project.
All electric drive for gun control system.
Active protection system.
Missile development.
This is a classic case of project mismanagement. Firstly, development of indigenous 1,500hp diesel engine is financially & technologically IMPOSSIBLE unless a production run of at least 10,000 units is assured, meaning not just MBTs, but also heavy-duty trucks will have to be powered by such engines. Has the CVRDE held any discussions so far with any of India’s private-sector truck manufacturers on this issue? And why not expand the programme to include R & D on an engine for the tracked FICV? 2) Similar is the case with automatic transmissions. And why such transmissions only for MBTs? Why not expand the project to include the FICV’s reqmt as well? 3) Why not develop all-electric turret-drives for the FICV as well? 4) Imported APS for not only MBTs & not for ICVs & FICVs? 5) CLGM is an utter waste of precious financial resources & should be discontinued without any further delay, since IA’s MBT formations will always be accompanied by RSHs armed with longer-range Mistral-ATAMs.
Prasun Sir,
1) 18th round of India- China boundary talks beginning tomorrow. Can we expect some breakthrough or any meaningful progression that lead to permanent resolution of LAC once and for all.
what's your observation?
2) your observation on the latest test of Astra bvraam and when do you think drdo will be able to develop indigenous seeker for it?
3) plz post your much delayed thread on Aero India 2015.
regards
abhay jain
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/after-pakistan-day-reception-general-vk-singh-tweets-of-disgust-749028?pfrom=home-lateststories
If this Tamaasha is any indication, looks like there's utter confusion prevailing within the corridors of power in New Delhi. The left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. Looks like the PMO & MEA are not in sync. Not good t all.
Full telecast of yesterday's parade in Islamabad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3ZYEjWOhZw&hd=1
Documentary on Pakistan Air Force's Special Services Wing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J45ubRZMk9E&hd=1
Hi Prasunji,
Please see how Hafiz saeed advising Pakistan on foreign policy in fact panel including anchor thanked Hafiz Saeed for waging Jihad.
Moreover they World should understand that All 18crore people of Pakistan are jihadi and if world want to live in peace, world should accept demands of these Jihadis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCg9szfLaP8
Regards
Dear prasun
Have gone through the tweets of gen vk singh directly on his twitter account. He tweeted the disgust tweet after 10 pm or the time post times now program by arnab goswami yesterday on vk Singh's attendance. It was all negativity in the program. The same with other media channels. At 11 pm around mr vk singh clarified that he is disgusted over the twisting of facts by the media. At 7 40 am on 24 march 2015 he tweeted how the word P fits Indian express like a glove. The word P implied paid.
Note ndtv has not mentioned tweets of vk singh expressing disgust on the media. They are twisting his tweets. Guess they are all paid idiots.
I consider the attendance of vk singh is a clear indicator that India is open to talks provided violence ends or talks on its own terms. To corroborate this I request recourse to utterances of pm modi and sayed akbaruddin.
Thanks and regards
Kunal.
Bhubaneswar
@Prasunda
The earlier strong reaction to Pakistani High Commissioner's earlier meeting with the Separatists were because India wanted quid pro quo with Baloch separatists.
What would explain the recent reversal in stand of the PMO?
To ABHAY JAIN: The most accurate prediction on the LAC issue was made by the then Chinese Premier Wen Jiabiao in 2011 when he had said that in his estimation, the boundary demarcation issue may never ever be resolved. The reason for this is elementary: the PLA is fiercely territorial & has to date NEVER compromised with anyone on its territorial claims. Even if today the Communist Party of China (CPC) tries hard to convince the PLA to compromise, the PLA is highly unlikely to budge & consequently China is likely to add more pre-conditions, such as insisting on India foregoing its nuclear weaponising options, i.e. surrendering its right to develop & deploy nuclear WMDs. After all, it was the then Indian PM A B Vajpayee who wrote to then US President Bill Clinton explaining that India had to become an overt nuclear weapons state due to China’s nuclear WMD proliferation activities. By naming China in black-and-white in this letter (which was later gleefully leaked to the media by Clinton), India put herself into a corner. Now, if India wants the LoC issue to be permanently resolved then it will also then have to admit that China does not pose any threat whatsoever to her & if such an admittance comes, then India has no strategic rationale for becoming a nuclear WMD-armed state. Furthermore, the present Dalai Lama has publicly stated that his next reincarnation (which always takes place in an area where an accredited Tibetan monastery is located) will take place inside India, meaning he will be reborn in the only place in India where such an accredited monastery exists, i.e. Tawang. This then will be used by the CPC & PLA for further across-the-table bargaining, with China now insisting that it will never surrender its claim to the Tawang Tract. All this leads me to conclude that the LAC issue will never be resolved. Instead, what both China & India can do is the next-best thing, which is to agree to further CBMs, such as exchange of maps showing each other’s territorial claims & agreeing to suitable protocols aimed at preventing eyeball-to-eyeball standoffs. Consequently, both the IA & PLA will continue making their periodic long-range patrols but in such a way that their respective paths & times do not cross.
To PAWAN: The world already understands that very well. The world also understands that the PA is waging Op Zarb-e-Azb (about which the PA & PAF are very proud) against its own citizens through the massive application of airpower & artillery fire-assaults. What this means is that the State of Pakistan has failed completely to offer a convincing & sustainable national existential narrative to its citizens, particularly those hailing from FATA, & consequently such citizens have had no other choice but to take up arms & rise in revolt in order to challenge the writ of the state. And the PA & PAF, through application of massive firepower has dramatically increased the number of collateral casualties, which in turn has only created more animosity & anger among the residents of FATA. Such hostilities will therefore live on for generations to come & the citizens of Pakistan living in KPK, Punjab, Balochistan & Sindh will continue to have to pay a heavy price in terms of human lives.
To KUNAL & ABS: All this ‘tamaasha’ has happened due to the following: 1) appointment of a former COAS of the IA has the MoS for External Affairs. 2) The MoS tweeting about his official attendance at the Pakistani function on March 23. 3) Creatures like Yasin Malik openly stating to Indian TV channels that he is not an Indian citizen. 4) The PMO being unable to coordinate with the MEA on which official & of what seniority should attend Pakistan’s National Day celebrations. In my personal view, no former armed forces chief should ever be given any ministerial portfolio within the MEA. Why? Simply because they have been trained & conditioned—and rightly so—to believe that the only good Pakistani is a dead Pakistani. Consequently, any such officer will feel highly uncomfortable to engage in diplomatic niceties at the ministerial-level during such diplomatic events. It would have been totally different had the former COAS attended the function as just an ordinary Indian citizen & no one would have noticed. But when he is an MoS, it becomes a totally different ballgame. Incidentally, at that function, there were several former diplomats and retired senior armed forces officers (mostly Punjabis & Kashmiris) who attended that function & who are regular attendees to the various Track-2 seminars that have been, are being & will be organised. Also present were almost all Delhi-based journalists who cover national security affairs for the national dailies & newsmagazines & who often supply valuable nuggets of information to the diplomatic & military staff of the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi. What the PMO should have done was to send a Joint Secretary-level official to represent India at that function, along with a bunch of mid-ranking officers from the IA, IN & IAF to interact with the Pakistani Defence, Navy & Air Force Attaches. Such events serve as venues to gauge the mindsets of one another & from an intelligence standpoint meetings between the armed forces personnel of the two countries serve a useful purpose for both countries at a time when such meetings have become a rarity. For instance, previously, during expos abroad where warships from both sides took part till the late 1990s, the CO of the IN warship used to invite on-board his PN counterpart. But the PN never extended the same courtesy. Now it is exactly the opposite: the IN’s CO no longer issues such invites, while the PN warship’s CO is ever-ready to go on-board the IN warship if invited. I can confirm that during the recently concluded LIMA 2015 expo in Langkawi, neither the CO of INS Sahyadri nor the CO of PNS Zulfiqar invited one another to pay a courtesy visit on board each other’s warship. It also remains to be seen if the IN will invite the PN to take part in the IN’s next international fleet review that’s slated for early 2016.
TO ABS: Not with Baloch separatists, but with the politicians & activists of PoK (inclusive of Gilgit-Baltistan). Also, the MEA had last August indicated to Pakistan that holding consultations with the Hurriyat just 2 days prior to the Indian Foreign Secretary’s visit to Pakistan gave out the impression that Pakistan was holding tripartite talks & not bilateral talks. India had at that time clearly stated that it was totally against such a sequencing of events, although it had no objections to the Pakistani High Commissioner briefing the Hurriyat members AFTER the conclusion of the Indian Foreign Minister’s visit to Islamabad. And in my view, every successive Indian govt since 1971 has failed miserably to come up with a counter-narrative to the Hurriyat by failing to engage in active parleys with & patronising the politicians & community leaders of Gilgit-Baltistan. In other words, we have repeatedly let our own people down in PoK.
since arihant sea trials have begun ,which submarine rescue vehicle india have bought to support the trials.
kunal8888
Hi Prasun,
Do you think you will ever get a chance to present at a conference like below, to correct these gents:
http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.com/letterfromwashington/pakistan-articulates-belligerent-nuclear-stance-in-washington/
Not sure why they dont just count the number of TELs, as you suggested?
To KUNAL888: The sea-trials have not yet progressed to a stage where the S-2/Arihant will be required to undertake dives. Only surface cruise trials are in progress. Diving trials will commence only by the year's end AFTER the DSRV ordered by the IN from UK arrives.
To RAW13: This is all due to the waving of President Obama's magic wand in order to keep Pakistan under pressure. That's also the reason why the good cop-bad cop acts have been played out since last August by the US & India & will continue to be played out. There's also a real fear within the PA that the US' ultimate goal is the de-nuclearisation of Pakistan. That was precisely the reason why Gen Kayani, on being informed about OP Neptune's Spear by his staff, was first wandering whether the US raid was conducted against a Pakistani nuclear WMD storage site--a fact that has since been publicly confirmed by Lt Gen (Ret'd) Mahmud Ali Durrani.
Below are the links of the Carnegie-sponsored conferences:
A Conversation with Gen. Khalid Kidwai - 2015 Carnegie International Nuclear Policy Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNZCw0BXKyE&hd=1
The India Deal: A 10 Year Assessment - 2015 Carnegie International Nuclear Policy Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1YkeHRISuo&hd=1
Your assertion about the 1500 Hp engine being designed by DRDO is strange . India will have an eventual need for a tank fleet of 3000. That comes down to 6000 engines over their lifetime . Included with that are SPG based on the chassis of the FMBT that can easily account for a 1000 more engines and added to that are engineering vehicles.
Trucks that require more than 1000Hp engines are extremely rare and will not come close to the scale you require . On cean have better luck pitching it to the railways or developing a marine version .
The alternative is writing more royalty cheques.
To PRAV: MBTs don’t require re-engining. In addition, the 1,500hp engine isn’t for the projected 50-tonne FMBT, but for the Arjun Mk1A & Arjun Mk2 variants. SPGs of the future will all be wheeled MGS. Railways & Marine applications require bigger engines, like the Russian diesel engines used for railways are the very same ones used on board Type 877EHM SSKs.
What is indeed strange is that a country designing & producing aircraft carriers, DDGs & FFGs eventually ends up importing GRP-hulled immediate support vessels from an Abu Dhabi-based shipbuilding company only because the DPSUs & private shipbuilding firms find it cost-prohibitive to import the design of such vessels.
I was under the impression that engines are changed n tanks during their lifetime.
DRDO has stated that the 1500Hp engine is in preparation for the FMBT .
They has also stated that the arjun 2 would have a domestic engine.
There are 1500HP engines used by the railways.
Im sure that a diesel electric system gives us flexibility in using several smaller engines n place on a sngle large one, on railways and small ship if indeed economies of scale is the goal.
Could you please elaborate further on the state ship design centers of the country . As they seem to miss low hanging fruit like this quite often.
Hi Prasun
In your last article you mentioned that the su-30 mki is not a capable aircraft for the deep strike role
Then is the MIG 35, a deep strike aircraft (or all the other contenders) if yes can the mig 35 replace the Rafael if no then what was it doing in the competition in the first place ?
And if its Deep strike capability that the air force is looking for insnt an aircraft like su 34 better for that role ?
Also all this 'medium category' ? shouldn't the aircraft be defined by roles rather than weight ?
To PRAV: In reality, CVRDE is developing a 1,800hp engine for the Arjun Mk2 FMBT (that will also feature a 120mm smoothbore cannon), rather than the 1,500hp needed for a 50-tonne FMBT—a project that has for all intents & purposes been shelved. The RM’s statement in Parliament was therefore erroneous. Diesel-electric system does give flexibility, but the laws of physics dictate that the greater the number of dynamic sub-systems & components, the greater the chances of failure & lower time-between-overhauls. Hence the inclination towards single-unit powerplants, instead of multiple units of smaller output powerplants. There are adequate ship-design centres within all DPSU shipyards, plus L & T. All other players have to buy their designs abroad. What is sorely lacking in-country is: 1) independent design consultants to vet the designs of the Naval Design Bureau & those of the DPSU/private-sector shipyards; & 2) industrial facilities for fabricating composites-based hull structures. As OI had stated earlier, outside the US, only Intermarine SA has the capability to fabricate 4-inch thick hull structures using composites. Fincantieri comes next, followed by Kockums & then CMN of France. The design of the Immediate Support Vessels was bought by Abu Dhabi Shipbuilding Co from CMN.
To COMMONCENSE: The Su-30MKI can perform deep-strike roles from medium-altitude with cruise missiles like Kh-59ME & later Nirbhay, BUT it cannot undertake terrain-hugging flights of the type required during the first 72 hours of an offensive air campaign. Even as of now, no Russian radar designer/manufacturer has been able to develop a MMR incorporating terrain-avoidance mode of operation. Only single-mode PESA-type radar offering terrain-avoidance mode of operation has been developed for the Su-34. And the only operational AESA-MMR for combat aircraft incorporating terrain-avoiding mode of operation is the RBE-2. That’s precisely why the MiG-35 failed the M –MRCA evaluation flight-trials. The Su-34 is ideal for deep-strike, but it isn’t a multi-role platform. The IAF’s M-MRCA reqmt calls for a multi-role option that can be used for deep-strikes in the first 72 hours of an air campaign, followed by tactical air superiority in the following days. The Tejas Mk1 MRCA on the other hand will be the workhorse that will be used for the first 72 hours for both close air-support & defensive counter-air, with each aircraft flying up to thrice a day. The upgraded Su-30MKIs (Super Sukhoi) & also the Rafale & Tejas Mk2 on the other hand will be swing-role platforms that will be able to perform interleaved operations during a single sortie, i.e. launch PGMs from medium-altitude & also ensure tactical offensive superiority inside hostile airspace. The Jaguar IS/DARIN-3, if re-engined with Honeywell F125 turbofans, will then join the Tejas Mk1s for close air-support (battlefield air-interdiction) strikes. It is therefore imperative that the Tejas Mk1 be optimised primarily for close air-support (battlefield air-interdiction) & secondarily for defensive counter-air operations so that it can replace the MiG-27/MUPG & MiG-21 Bison ASAP.
Thank you for the answers.
So arjun 3 with 1800HP engine and a longer smoothbore gun will be the future tank for the army ? (something like the Atlay?)
Do you think it is wise to stick with the a manual loading tank for the next 30-40 years. Should the military and DRDO not do more to future proof the design . There are noticeable advancements in the latest Japanese and Korean and now russian tank designs. In the end they are mearly refining a design that entered production 40 years ago (leopard 2)?
Also.
You stated a few months back that President Ghani would visit only in April and you were right .
So did Pakistan react positively to Ghanis request to clam down on anti afghan terrorists n Pakistan ?Or will we see Afghanistan again expressing "interest" in Indian weaponary again.
To PRAV: It is now fairly certain that the IA doesn’t want to introduce a completely new-design FMBT. Consequently, the baseline Arjun design will continue to evolve, & rightly so. APS will definitely be incorporated (for protecting the front, sides & turret-top), while an additional slat-armour package will be mounted for protecting the powerplant compartment in the rear. The 120mm smoothbore cannon of longer calibre (up to 55-cal is permissible) from the present 48-cal of the 120mm rifled-bore version will also be introduced. Then there’s all-electric turret-drive & also an autoloader that will be incorporated on the Arjun Mk3. All in all, therefore, a well-planned upgrade package has been drawn up, but there will still be the need to cater for heavier weight & hence the 1,800hp option has been taken up. This again is in line with contemporary trends, inclusive of what’s being tried out in Russia.
As for developments across both sides of the now-defunct Durand Line, the next 3 weeks will be crucial, since it is now up to Pakistan to deliver on its end of the bargain by unveilling the physical existence of the Quetta Shura led by Mullah Omar & prevailing over it to join the political reconciliation process inside Afghanistan. Whether Pakistan is able to deliver on its promises remains to be seen, since even some well-informed Pakistani analysts are now saying that so far Pakistan has bluffed its way through & it will never be able to fully deliver on its promises made to President Ashraf Ghani. If this happens, then all the gloves come off & Afghanistan, the US & India will then have no other option but to re-exercise the bad cop/bad cop/bad cop option against Pakistan. Therefore, one can safely expect the LoC & IB along J & K to flare up again in the coming months. In the light of all this, let’s see whether the PA is able to spare a PA mechanised infantry brigade for Saudi Arabia as part of a multinational Sunni Arab military coalition now being assembled in order to counter the advancing Shia Houthis inside Yemen.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1172016/threat-to-s-arabia-will-evoke-strong-reaction-from-pakistan-nawaz
SEE THE FUNNY THING HERE.
POSITION OF ARMY CHIEF'S CHAIR.
To SAKSHI: Would love to see a PA/PAF contingent deployed in Saudi Arabia & operate against the Yemeni Houthis. And in return the Iranians will set Balochistan aflame & Sunni-Shia sectarian strife inside Pakistan will increase in intensity. Bure Din for Pakistan is definitely coming, thanks to increased volatility along its eastern, western & southern frontiers. Between the 1950s & 2014, Pakistan had no option but to do pimping for the West, & now the time has come for it to do pimping for its 'brotherly' Sunni countries in the Middle East.
To RAJESH MISHRA: All this just goes on to prove my earlier assertion about the real Pakistani mindset that's never discussed in public: that Shia Iran & not India poses the ultimate existentialist threat to Pakistan. Only this can explain why Pakistan has acquired the Shaheen-3 IRBM with 2,750km range. Lt Gen Khalid Kidwai was less than honest 3 days ago when he stated that the Shaheen-3 is meant to target Indian second-strike ballistic missile launch sites in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands. For, it is a known fact that A) India's ballistic missiles will never be island-based, but inside India's hinterland, & B) India's assured second-strike nuclear arsenal will be SSBN-based & these SSBNs will be on patrol in the Indian Ocean. Therefore, how a three-star Lt Gen can justify the need for Shaheen-3 as a weapon for neutralising India's retaliatory nuclear strike arsenal remains anyone's guess. And it certainly offers no logic vis-a-vis India. But yes, the Shaheen-3 can definitely be used for targetting Iranian cities.
Watch this revealing interview of Amrullah Saleh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As4Xm25BgVA
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-03-26/indian-mirage-2000-upgrade-paves-way-rafale-signing-say-french
The above report is not entirely accurate. But the Rafale deal will definitely be inked by next month & follow-on orders for up to 4 Scorpene SSKs will be placed as well.
HI Prasun
please throw some light on the CLGM , is it a being developed with israel assistance?.It would be a good fallback for the LCH or a supplement for the lch rather than the very expensive PARS missile.
Why is there no talk of arming the arjun mk 2 with aps?.Is the drdo and the army so sure of the Armour of the tank?
The saudis and middle east countries are cowards as they never have the guts to send in ground troops any where and rey on the west to do the job for them. or look for pawns like pakistan. will they ever commit ground troops in yemen?
Hi Prasun,
Guess who jumped after BO's visit to india. It was not pakistan, that has been making the calls, sending FS to islamabad. Infact, BO leaving speech was a dressing down in how india should run its internal affairs. Who sent in ex-COAS to sit next to our brethren from IOK for pakistan day?
In afghanistan, has I had mentioned before, you have no role and never will. You are a bit player on the side. Russia has also understood that. So has the US. You have no support from Iran, because they know you buckle under US pressure, like a twig. Pakistan on the otherhand withstood US pressure, even completely re-build Taliban against it. That is something even Putin undersatnds!!!
I have been following the situation in Yemen closely.
I considered Pakistans open support for the Saudi intervention strange as they antagonise Iran . Or does Pakistan have no choice and KSA is merely calling in "debts" that Pakistan owes them,
Have'nt KSA and Egypt learnt from the last invasion of Yemen? A ground war will only lead to obscene losses for the invaders.
@Raw13 India is Afghanistans 2nd largest export destination and this will grow enormously when the Chabahar port increases its capacity and Afghanistan no longer has to deal with obstruction from Pakistan . If you think India the country on which a large part of the Afghan economy is dependent is a bit player . Im afraid you don't understand the situation at all .
The question wrt getting involved with Yemen is not whether Pak has enough troops or not but whether pak wants to be involved or not.
Today the FC, Rangers are as well equipped, trained and as experienced in small team actions as regular PA infantry units and some reserve forces are also active, numbers is not the issue.
Pak said they will help defend saudi landmass but not act in Yemen. There already is a brigade+ level of troops in saudi for the last few years.
True, issue is shia/sunni however the bigger issue in ME is arab/persian. In saudi/yemen the issue is Hijazi's v Zaidi's/saada people, you have to go to the pre-islam days.
@Prav, even in ME you export more than Pak, but you are not even a bit player. Want to know why? you are confusing trade with Geo-strategic powerplay.
Also what do you think has been happening to the development of Chabahar port and the link road lately?
Iran always has bent backwards to accommodate pak and pak has done the same. Just look at the statements they made on the IP(i).
Raw13 you have it backwards .
Pakistan is not a "player " in the ME either . The GCC countries are players in Pakistan .As has been amply demonstrated KSA says jump Pakistan asks how high. Don't forget who holds the leash in that relationship.
Prasun Sir
With regards to future versions of the arjun . I believe that moving to an autoloader would entail deep redesign of the turret and perhaps part of the hull (depending on the choice of autoloader). Shouldn't "FMBT" program continue to be a programe to develop equipment for future tanks and IFVs ?
Later or sooner all the existing subservient internal contradictions will evolve and develop in to the major internal contradiction of Sunni Vs Combined, Shia, Zaidi, Alvi, Kurds, Ahmadia, Hazara, Tadjik etc. Multiple caliphates will be ferociously fighting with each other. Somalia everywhere.
Sir, since Pakistan will be on its Eastern front, don't you think its a right time to regain our Territory..
@Raw13,
instead of the rhetoric, we should understand the situation very well. Neither Pakistan nor India would be happy at the haphazard way things are evolving in ME. It is only saying who is more deep in shit. There are million of Indians and Pakistanis in ME, whose income is big boon for either countries. Plus any fluctuation in oil prices are going to affect both, but more so to India. Any loose play here would be drastic for either countries. Hence I am more willing to believe that India would at least passively take a relaxed attitude at Western front till Pak army is done with a 'cleaning the shit that hit the fan' (clearly chicken of yesterday are back to rule the roost). In any case this is unwanted 'martyrdom' for professional Pakistani army.
In Afghanistan, one thing you are forgetting that due to the lack of proximity India has the freedom to play its game as it evolves, but for Pakistan it is an existential problem. For India, anything remote resemblance could have been Bangladesh being played by external countries (and why India is unnerved when a mere Chinese sub docks in Srilanka). Not a very enviable position for Pakistan, because you are damned if you do and damned if you dont.
Ofcourse, the easy way for Pakistan is to understand the situation and sit down with India to bilaterally (yes the bargain is in India's court for now) solve lingering issues. However, sanity never prevails when it comes to Pakistan, and hence i am not optimistic to this happening.
Sreenivas R
@Sreenivas R
well said
Prasun,
Seems your posting night or day or morning is not going to come soon !!!!
To VIKRAM GUHA: The mist is being created by needless speculation by the usual band of ‘desi’ journalists. The reality is that the IN requires at least four more Scorpene SSKs & therefore Project 75 will be expanded next month to comprise 10 Scorpenes in all. On the other hand, the PLAN has already started sending its SSNs on probing patrols & from once every year, the PLAN’s SSNs will increase their patrols gradually. This then creates the IN’s reqmt for SSNs & the only realistic way ahead is to come up with something like the SNBR programme, i.e. build nuclear-powered Scorpenes. The IN has firmed up its reqmt for single-hulled SSN s & the Scorpene’s design fits the bill perfectly. And given the fact that L & T will be busy for the next 15 years in fabricating the S-2/S-4 SSBNs to join the S-2/Arihant & later the larger S-5/S-6/S-7 SSBNs, & MDL will be busy building the Scorpenes, the coast is then clear for Pipavav to build the Scorpene-based SSNs. This will become the Project 75I.
As for Qatar’s request, if at all such a request was made, then India’s counter-request to Qatar ought to be to prevail over Pakistan to rein in its ‘sarkari Jihadis’. People forget that India has already cut Pakistan some slack by not conducting large-scale combined-arms exercises last year—the first time since 2005 that such exercises have not been conducted.
TVC nozzles are reqd for Tejas Mk2. Not for the AMCA. And since the Tejas Mk2 will be powered by GE-built turbofans, using Russia-designed TVC nozzles is out of the question. The only option remains the usage of the TVC nozzles (albeit with some modifications) developed by Eurojet GmbH.
To RAD: CLGM is an in-house project of the DRDO & has no linkage with Israel. Since the CLGM has a range of 5km, it won’t be able to go as far as PARS-3LR or Hellfire or HELINA. Arjun Mk2 will eventually have APS & most probably it will be the Iron Fist, now that the MoD has remove IMI from the blacklist.
To PRAV: More than the autoloader, it is the switchover from an electro-hydrauilic gun-control/turret stabilization-cum-traverse system that will necessitate a major change in the turret’s interior/exterior design. The hull won’t be affected. The FMBT programme will continue, but not for the 50-tonne FMBT, but a heavier 68+-tonne MBT evolved from the existing Arjun.
To MAYUR MANAPURE: Not yet. But by 2017.
To SREENIVAS R: Even if both countries were to sit down today for talks, the cards available with India are far more than those available with Pakistan. Consequently, Pakistan won’t be able to ask for or seek parity. What this means is that while India will never say no to dialogue, this is not what Pakistan wants. Knowing that time is not on its side, Pakistan wants result-oriented & time-bound negotiations, & not just endless dialogue. This is because Pakistan’s main bargaining tool—‘sarkari terrorism’—has since 2009 been effectively neutralised by India’s own covert warfare being waged around Pakistan’s territorial periphery. So now, even if Pakistan wants to sit down & negotiate with utmost seriousness & sincerity, it will never be able to deliver because India has already raised the bar & will therefore ask for far more than Pakistan can deliver on. The whole world knows about this powerplay & that’s why no one will stick their neck out on a limb on Pakistan’s behalf.
To LAPS: Relax, & watch this recently aired documentary on the PAF’s Flying Training Academy at Risalpur:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE9p-pyNgxQ&hd=1
To RAW13: The Indian MoS was sitting next to only the Pakistani High Commissioner & the Deputy High Commissioner—everyone saw it on TV & none of the rif-rafs from Hurriyat were even as close as 50 metres, rest assured. Whether I or India or any other country has any role in Afghanistan is only for the Afghans to judge. This reality will never be overtaken by anyone else’s rants. In fact, it is these very such irrational rants emanating from Pakistanis that piss off the Afghans since they see this as a clear sign of Pakistani arrogance. As for what India is really up to inside Afghanistan, the following shows it all in great detail:
Indian Contribution in Rebuilding Afghanistan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qox-DcScC8c&hd=1
If India buckles under US pressure like a twig, then both Iran & Libya at the blink of an eye readily gave up all evidence to the whole world against Pakistan & its WMD proliferation activities from late 2003. I guess this is how favours are returned among ‘brotherly’ Islamic countries. And yes, Pakistan did rebuild the Taliban, but it was the TTP, & not any other Taliban-based entity. Since you’ve taken great pride in such ventures, I wish you all the very best when reaping the whirlwind as well.
As for India being or not being a player of any size in the ME, just try doing a headcount of all the Malayalis entrenched throughout the financial & retail banking sectors of the GCC member-states & you will be able to see the truth for yourself.
hi prasun
the CLGM seems to have an uncanny resemblance to the lahat missile.
What is the status of the missile ?. is it in production?.
IS the italian carbine from Beretta a failure? reports point to this. Why did we not go for the hk-mp5 trusted series rather than than the baretta .what is the status of the MSMG carbine?.
Is it true that the the iron dome with an active seeker which is cheaper per missile would easily be an alternative to the maitri program?.After all the per missile cost is really cheap compared to others and we can easily integrated it to our aesa radar.?
The real advantage is it is battle proven and readily available and extremely agile due to TVC..All it needs is a software tweak.
Prasun,
Seems your information on SSN/SSK/SSBN is incorrect.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-china-relations-modi-government-indian-ocean-naval-expansion/1/425929.html
India is going a different path than what you have been reporting. SSNs would be 6000 ton with Arihant spinoff and maybe with similar reactor..
But all 3 man crew tanks do not exceed 55 Tons . What is the use of continuing that a 68 ton design and not leveraging the advantages that an autoloader gives.
@LAPS: take a chill pill man..we all know Prasun is notoriously lazy in posting..lolzz
Also remember he does blogging out of interest not as a profession. He has many other commitments. He will definitely do it.Don't worry.
Prasun,
Just read that that MOD has approved A330 for AWACS role. Isn't it gng to be logistical nightmare.. 6 airbus, 3 IL-78 and 3 EMB jets?
This seems to be a horrible decision...your view
Thanks
Swarop
Interesting interview of Najam Sethi
delivered to an Indian Journalist I think last week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_IGfv0mXSI
To RAD: The CLGM is still under development. The MSMG carbine should have been developed in time for the BSF. But since it wasn’t, Baretta emerged as L-1 in the competitive trials. The missile developed for the S-Dome version of Iron Dome is the next-generation replacement for existing Barak-1 ADMS.
To RITURAJ: You are ASSUMING my information is incorrect because you are probably assuming that the report you’ve quoted is based on a MoD press-release or briefing. In reality, that report is highly speculative and full of contradictions that are easily identifiable when read by a discerning reader. In case you’re unable to figure out these contradictions, then do revert back and I will reveal them in detail.
To PRAV: That’s because those 3-man 55-tonne tanks are not all heavy MBTs. Most of them are medium battle tanks. Only the LeClerc and Japan’s Type 90 are true 3-man heavy MBTs. And when these heavy MBTs are fitted with add-on armour tiles and TWMPs, their weights increase. Autoloader alone won’t decrease weight.
To SPANKY’S BLOG/SWAROP: The 3 x EMB-145Is are meant for usage in the North-East where there are not too many long runways. But yes, selection of 3 different types of airframes will pose logistical problems from a financial standpoint. Had the IAF opted for the Airbus A310-300 airframe instead of the IL-78MKI airframe for the 3 A-50I PHALCONs, matters would have been a lot better.
The cost of Mirage-2000 up-gradation is really so exorbitant. Kindly provide your valued opinion.
To RAJESH MISHRA: That's because the upgrade also includes an upgrade of the existing SNECMA Moteurs-built M-53P2 turbofans into M-53P3 configuration. This fact of life hasn't been reported by the 'desi' journalists and hence the confusion.
KSA, whose annual defence expenditure is US$67 billion, is seeking the deployment of Army personnel from Pakistan whose annual defence expenditure is only $6.8 billion. Iran’s annual defence expenditure is $10 billion, of which $6 billion is meant for the Revolutionary Guards. The Pakistan Army’s active internal deployment today stands at 54.6%, up from 33.33% in 2013. Furthermore, at least 7,000 PA personnel are serving abroad under various UN peacekeeping mandates. The KSA is also cleverly orchestrating the leakage of selective tit-bits of information in an effort to force Pakistan’s hand and acquiesce to THE KSA’s military manpower outsourcing requests. Retired senior PA officers over the past 24 hours have been harping about the need to send active PA personnel to KSA for homeland security purposes only (as these officers are of the view that the KSA’s land forces are inept at warfighting and cannot absorb battlefield casualties), since this will enable the Sunnis to protect the holy Islamic sites located within KSA and at the same time build up a coalition of willing Sunni-dominated countries that are willing to challenge and take on the growing influence of Shia Iran within the Middle East and North Africa. At the same time, these very retired senior PA officers are claiming that all this is nothing but the grand design of the US and Israel that aims to keep the Muslim Ummah perpetually divided.
In other words, a totally warped debate taking place inside Pakistan when it is crystal-clear that the KSA never does charity through free-lunches, but expects a quid pro quo when the time comes. And it’s now time for a highly-stressed PA to cough up and payback. Interestingly, Sunni-majority Turkey is playing it safe and avoiding any kind of commitment of either military hardware or armed personnel. And both Turkey and Pakistan both have common frontiers with Iran. So, will Pakistan will, like Turkey, try to play it safe, or are Pakistan’s hands now all tied-up and it has no other choice but to choose between KSA and Iran? Will this in turn further widen the sectarian faultlines within Pakistan and cause further internal bloodshed?
Russia previously had plans to produce 52 T-50 fighters by 2020. However, these plans have been drastically scaled back. The Kremlin will now only procure 12 of the new jets. "Given the new economic conditions, the original plans may have to be adjusted,” Borisov said. “It is better to have the PAK FA kept as a reserve, and later move forward, while squeezing everything possible for now out of the 4+ generation fighters." The 4+ generation fighters are aircraft like the Russian Su-30 and Su-34 which generally feature radar and avionics upgrades over older models. As part of a proposed air force modernization plan, Russia had already introduced 34 Su-30s and 20 Su-34s into its fleet.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cash-strapped-russia-drastically-cutting-203100586.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/russias-new-military-transport-plane-ilyushin-il-112-make-first-flight-2017-1860092
Interesting and informative reads on IRST sensors:
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/infrared-search-and-track-systems-and-the-future-of-the-1691441747
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/mfc/photo/legionpod/mfc-legion-pod-pc.PDF
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/features/2015/mfc-021115-legionpod-five-fast-facts.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/27/why-pakistan-may-be-a-reluctant-ally-in-saudis-yemen-campaign.html
http://newsweekpakistan.com/pakistan-should-stay-out-of-yemen/
Where there's a will, there's always a way:
https://milaap.org/campaigns/mountain-man
Prasun,
Can you elaborate on Unnithan's article on Indian submarine program? He is quoting quite a number of people and seems authentic.
What are its problems?
Prasun;
I can not believe we let the super hornet go. 50M/plane at that time, APG79, great operational history, could have been compatible with Navy requirements instead of the Mig29s, GE 414 compatibility with Tejas and G to G deal.. Other than paranoia about sanctions, Prasun can you enlighten why IAF did not select it. Was it TOT?
- Ashish
ps: i apologize if you already covered this somewhere else, but i have started following your blog only in the last 18 months
HI Prasun
your link on IRST was really good food or techie appetite.
This brings to the question why are we not developing an IRST while pakistan has one operational. Though we have them on our su-30 and mig -29 nothing like developing our own with some assistance,bless the drdo!!.
The russian financial problems are seriously gong to hit the pak fa fighter what do we do now?.
Your prediction that the A330 will be the awacs platform has come true.
What are the problems that are likely to be faced.Will france design a radome?. or we will get it done by some one else?
You mentioned that the c dome version of iron dome is a replacement for the older barak anti misisle .Why cannot it be turned into a short range air defense missile?.
If we export the emb-145 there is every possibility china will get hold of the secrets from south asian countries where it has a hold.
VMT for your reply reg Mirage-2000 up-gradation also on the engine. Further it is good to note that the MoD has removed IMI from the blacklist.
Hi Prasun,
HD quality pics of pakistans SFC at the parade:
http://www.slickpic.com/share/TDNOmMNUTYUExO/albums/BattlespaceXHDExclusive/?wallpaper#
Hi Prasun,
There huge issues between iran and turkey, not only over syria (surprised you missed this) but the whole of the ME. Just look at the two articles just from today:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/27/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-iran-idUSKBN0MN1N220150327
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-president-erdogan-says-cant-tolerate-iran-bid-to-dominate-middle-east.aspx?pageID=238&nID=80252&NewsCatID=510
Now can you refresh my mind as to where exactly iran has any influence in North Africa?
King Salman and his son (defence minister)are serious hardliners (read OBL here). They have offered serious dollars to the Egyptians and the Egyptians have just received the first payment and cant wait to do enough. The same offer is on the table for Pak. Ganja Sharif is all for it. The other Sharif maybe tempted if the Saudi end up funding 2-3 new corps for the next 30yrs. Essentially PA becomes the praetorian guard of the GCC. USA is all for it. Assets that were out of bounds for Pak are now on the table.
GCC war fund is bigger than what they paid the Allies for GW1. I just hope the other Sharif doesnt buy it.
@Prasun
So you are of the opinion that the lighter MBTS have inferior protection ?
A simple tank design philosophy is that the best way to reduce weight is to decrease the size of the tank.
An autoloader while eliminating the space required for a human loader achieves this.
All post cold war designs barring the turkish atlay follow this path
Or do you think that the 68 ton weight can be justified because thearjun will be upgunned a larger weapon (140-155mm calibre ) in the distant future .
@Raw13 : So you are apprehensive about the PA being involved in Yemen as well as Saud money . You are wise. 30 years of funding you say ? The KSA senior ministers themselves have no illusions that the power of oil will disappear as soon as 15 years from now and with that will go their financial heft .
A better analogy is Swiss guard not Praetorian guard .
Prasun,
Do you think pak will flare up border infiltrations to drag IA to respond and then to show KSA they are busy on their eastern border and to avoid sending their troops to yemen.
will such cheap tricks work?
Prasun-da, please provide your thoughts and or authentication:
- It is being reported from multiple sources (outside the desi cabal) that the Antonov AN-32 upgrade program has basically hit a wall due to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. The last 5 of 40 birds sent to the OEM seem to have "disappeared" while the local HAL led program has stalled after the Ukrainian engineers deputed to Kanpur left and spares delivery from OEM stopped. That leaves IAF with 35 upgraded, 65 obsolete, 5 missing and 1 incomplete AN-32's to cover the vast majority of its medium tactical transport needs for the foreseeable future barring some procurement miracle instituted by the RM.
Prasun,
Can these AN-32 modernized with Israeli/Russian/French stuff?? Are Ukrainians using Indian aircraft in their fight with Russians?? If yes, then can India can force them to give it back ??
Is there a bank guarantee of this deal or any punitive clause?
Also, if such is the case, how are other Ukraine related programs going on? For example - INS Kolkata series, Mi-17 helos, several others??
Any info?
Nice Read
Four Visions Of The Future From DARPA’S Latest Report Breakthrough Technologies for National Security
http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2015/03/26.aspx
Regards,
Vikram
Hi Prasun,
Thanx for ur answers. Do you see any chance in future for increment of EMB-145I order? Will it be atleast increased to 6? I dont't think 3 will be enough to cover the entire China border for 24 Hrs non stop.
Also Is there a possibility that IAF will ditch the Phalcons once the A330 platforms becomes stable. Would it be better if IAF ditches the phalcons and opt for 5 more A330. That will be a huge saving in long term from logistics point of view.
Thanks
Swarop
Jon
Regarding the below mentioned link:
http://www.livefistdefence.com/2015/03/indo-french-sr-sam-project-back-is-back.html
Is the navy unhappy with the Barak 1 system? Why go for a new system or is the proposed project a much better product when it comes to meeting navy's requirements?
Another sorry legacy of Scam-Gress ..
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/162236/final-charges-dropped-over-indian-aw101-deal.html
To quote:
"By dropping the final charges still standing, the prosecution has acknowledged that it never had a valid case to prosecute, and that the two Finmeccanica executives were charged and put on trial on the uncorroborated allegations of a single person...Not a glorious episode for Italy’s judicial system, nor for India’s politicians who jumped the gun by canceling the contract with no evidence, nor for India’s police. Finally, those who have followed this sad affair from the beginning will remember that the investigations in Italy began after stories alleging bribery were published in the Indian media, sparked by parliamentary questions by a handful of MPs."
Prasun Da,
1. DCNS is offering IN a modified version of the Mistral. However I think going by the specs Navantia has a better design
http://www.stratpost.com/dcns-offers-modified-mistral-to-india?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
2. In reply to a fellow poster you said that P 75i is basically designed to purchase more Scorpenes. So why is GOI coming up with an RFP and also encouraging countries like Japan to participate?
It seems countries like Germany really fancy their chances for P 75i
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/german-firm-tkms-eyes-indian-navys-rs-50000-crore-submarine-project/articleshow/46735968.cms
Thanks for your replies.
-Sujoy
One more thing PrasunDa.
Before leaving for Japan Parikkar himself stated that India is very interested in the Soyu class.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/03/29/national/politics-diplomacy/india-interested-in-buying-japans-soryu-class-submarines/#.VRpZc45KZD0
Please shed some light on this P75i procurement saga.
Thanks
pakis knowing what's coming to them is running behind bushes of OIC, Intl Community and UN to save their ass
http://www.dawn.com/news/1172924/oics-role-to-be-sought-for-ending-yemen-conflict
http://www.dawn.com/news/1173023/yemen-conflict-neutrality-no-longer-an-option-for-pakistan
http://www.dawn.com/news/1173031/pakistani-delegation-departs-for-s-arabia-for-talks-over-yemen-crisis
it is payback to pak. remember all those handouts?
On a separate note US has given pak, some $69 billions from 1947 - 2015.
to anon @9.43
they
(saudis) may be smart ass using puppies like pak .The bottom line is still they dont know how to fight ground wars , all the intelligence inputs are definitely from the yanks who are there i n great numbers.The armies of all the rich ME countries with despots ruling them quatar, saudi,uae, bharain ets have money and nothing else.
They are the modern day romans who at a time basked in glory of being the greatest empire and ultimately that led to their down fall.The romans spent their time on wine and women and watching gladiators. Some time from now history will repeat for the saudis.The bottom line id they have a n army of highly paid wimps.
This reminds me of an incident where a qatari national was sent to india for basic marcos training, he ran away calling it inhuman!!!!
hi prasun
the darin 3 jag has flown at last .Please post pics and details .Have they changed the engine, or is is an avionics test flight only?. I wonder why they are not thinking of upgrading the whole lot. They seem to have over come integration difficulties and a newly formed entity seems to have done the job called (MCSRDC). Please give more inputs.
Its not that saudi's army do not know how to fight. They do, they are not the same as they were 20yrs ago. Many of them are from Bedioun stock, a warrior race if there ever is one on planet earth.
The issue is not Saudi man's fighting ability, its that the house of saud does not want their people to learn to fight again. Because a man who goes through war, changes and they do not want these people, it will threaten their hold on power. They prefer to keep their people soft.
The second issue is that the Houthi are from Saada, its mountainous terrain, like balouchistan. So what is needed is small team actions and that is where the egyptians, saudi and yemeni armies fall down because they are not used to this terrain or this way of fighting at all.
What do you make of this/
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a2c22012-d845-11e4-ba53-00144feab7de.html#axzz3W3s0c0su
are the pukes really after 8 more subs?
to raw13
I do agree with part of your statement that the saud family is shit scared of sending its troops and battle harden them ,so its keeping them soft with freebies so that they can marry as much women they want and produce children. Thats why i compared them to Romans.
Dont give me this crap of the bedouin being the greatest warrior class on earth.Every country has that and india as well ,sikhs, kshatrias rajputs,, gurkhas in india ,of course that includes your kind as well as you are of the same blood irrespective of whether you deny that you were once hindu or not . The samurai and ninja in japan, vikings, spartans ,crusaders, knights in Europe , the zulus,masai , mongols, moari, apaches and so on.
I still believe the best battle hardened military today is the United states for the very fact they are always at war with some body and have lost life and in the course and gained tremendous experience in war fighting in any place on earth.
More trouble for the Indian Air Force. Here is why
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/iaf-clueless-about-whats-causing-bulk-of-its-aircraft-to-crash/articleshow/46752060.cms
PrasunDa,
Saab announced earlier this week that they have won a $ 78 million order from HAL for integrated electronic warfare self-protection system for ALH.
Isn't this something DRDO was already developing?
Thanks,
-VIKRAM
Hi Prasun,
Have a look at this. This man is amazing, his take on events even with slightly foggy indian glasses, is brilliant. This article is spot on; tells you how involved turkey is, actually funny he mentions lots of points I mentioned.
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/
@Rad, If you think all the subcontinent is indian, you are welcome to the dreams and heros. Its like a romanian taking the credit for english heros, because they both are from europe ;-)
hi prasun
The maitri sam seems to be on, what i dont understand is 5000 mill $ for 360 sams !!!! does not make sense ??.A missile may cost 2 mill at he most.The french also say they have configured the active seeker, TVC , etc then what is in it for india.? They will pass on an earlier version of the mica seeker and claim it is new.Source codes, design of the active seeker ??etc
@Rad,
Agree US army is battle hardened. Not sure how good they will be without, the helis, drones, airpower. I personally would rate you guys/lanken army up there with them. IA has been fighting and still continues to fight insurgency in 1/3 of india, with very little equipment, crappy rations, etc...
to raw13
You are a true pakistani , true to your creed of perpetual denial of any facts that dont suit you ,keep it up.May i recall that afghanistan was once totally hindu and then Buddhist. The huge bamian budhist statues that were blown up by your crackpot cousins are a witness . For your information some parts of central asia were also hindu, the yazdis of iraq also follow some traditions that are related to hinduism. Burma, malaysia,indonesia,vietnam,laos,cambodia all were hindu countries .
If you look at the names in malaysia and indonesia they all have hindu names and cultures .There are not cracked like you to deny history.
I am just trying to state history . so your premise that the whole of the subcontinent was not hindu is false in fact it is from central asia to the indian sub continent ,including bangladesh, sri lanka,whole of south east asia was hindu.So stretching it a little bit, even china and japan are hindu nations by default as they accepted budhism which is only a refined version of hinduism .
yes our soldiers fight with very little that is a fact which we are proud off.By the by the boxer rebellion in china was put down only after the brits sent indian troops to china and bashed them up., so they know. Srilanka is good in counter terrorism but not conventional war which they dont train for.
I do rate you guys good as well as after all you are of the same ex hindu blood.
To RAW13: " IA has been fighting and still continues to fight insurgency in 1/3 of india"-------------------
LoLz!!!! Where did you get that from???
IA throughout the frontiers of India is responsible for only border domination. Even in J & K all along the LoC, the IA is responsible for manning & operating only the counter-infiltration grid. Throughout India all COIN operations are waged by paramilitary CAPFs & state police forces since only they constitute the counter-insurgency grid. Several Pakistanis wrongly equate the Khaki-clad CAPFs with the IA by wrongly assuming that just like in the PA, the IA too dons Khaki uniforms & hence ludicrous figures of 700,000 IA personnel existing within J & K always get quoted by these ill-informed analysts.
To RAD: It's no use explaining anything about Hinduism to anyone & someone who is exposed only to a monotheistic theocracy. Therefore, kindly don't waste your precious time on this issue.
Hi Prasun
Point taken , some times we have to instill some and historical truth to these chaps from denialistan!
I also found out in one of my trips to maldives that there are budhist stupas in the far south islands. Of course they have been covered up or destroyed.I once asked a maldivian what was the religion before islam came there some centuries ago and his face changed !! poor chap
Have you by chance listened to a crack pot deranged muslim preacher called dr zakir naik !! from india ?. he claims islam was there when the world was created !! he was conferred some honors by a despot king in ME recently
Prasun please open another new post about Aero 2015 and adex , we chaps are getting withdrawal symptoms !!!
@Rad, I said Indian, not Hindu. One is a nation state that came into being in 1947, the other is one of the great religion.
In any case, if it is to be believed that Hinduism was written on the banks of Indus. It is our ancestors that gave this to you. Be glad that we converted you. Look what you did with it....started your caste game.
@Prasun: insugency in India:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/08/2013812124328669128.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/maoist-insurgency-spreads-to-over-40-of-india-mass-poverty-and-delhis-embrace-of-corporate-neoliberalism-fuels-social-uprising/5362276
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/12/22/insurgency-movements-in-india/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatist_movements_of_India
@Prasun da
heard a few things
1. IAF is refusing to negotiate terms for further R&D on PAKFA/FGFA. It means India will henceforth only be a buyer, and not as a development partner, correct?
2. GTRE and Klimov agree to develop Multi-Axis Thrust Vectoring Nozzle, it means in future even if India buys European/US engines/Russian thrust vector control can be applied on any aircraft irrespective of engine, correct?
3. IN is looking for modified Mistral 215 design LPDs, with changes in engine pods, i think that will allow IN to further boost capacity to carry men, material without increasing size, correct?
4. Building the 3rd batch of Talwar class frigates in India is a bad idea, correct?
expect answers
thanks
Joydeep Ghosh
Hi Prasun,
Humble request, please create a new thread since it's becoming very difficult to keep track of comments from mobile browser.
Regards
Abhijit
@Goush,
IAF have seen what HAL is able to do with a Mig-21++ aircraft that has been in development for the last 30+ years.
Do you seriously think they will allow HAL/DRDO to jeopardize their future aircraft. No, IAF will buy the Pakfa direct, its cheaper and far more reliable.
Rad, Raw13 is symptomatic of what is wrong with muslims these days. Delusions of grandeur is one thing when they live in their own fantasies quite another when they start foisting it on to others. The poor Pakistanis are still figuring out that Indians have gone way beyond them. I guess it is like that family member who is poor because of his own misdeeds but blames other family members that they are doing so well. Without realizing the message that hardwork gets you places.
raw13 said...
"In any case, if it is to be believed that Hinduism was written on the banks of Indus. It is our ancestors that gave this to you. Be glad that we converted you. Look what you did with it....started your caste game."
i believe u must be a victim of after effects of a very powerful bomb blast.
it has literally mixed up ur brains left and right hemispheres.
and thus u r talking nonsense.
and i was chewing paan when i happened to come across this comedy idea of yours
result: i ended up pichkooing it all over my laptop. damn you ! and ur shitty moronic ideas.
plz spare us in future.
such idiotic comments and logic have become the exclusive domain of (madrassa) educated pakistanis
To RAD & LACHIT: Chill out Yaars.......don't allow your BPs to increase due to such mumbo-jumbo. The poor sod probably can't pronounce or spell Saraswati & therefore opted for a moronic shortcut & types Indus. Anuway, on to more serious matters: as I had predicted earlier, the PA ain't getting any Mi-35Ms, but the Z-10. Here's proof:
http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-attack-helicopters-could-soon-replace-american-cobras-in-pakistan-2015-4?IR=T
And for those interested in the details of the Iran nuclear deal, here's the meat:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/04/240170.htm
And as for Pakistan's true state, here's an interesting eye-witness account:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shekhar-gupta-pakistan-writing-on-wall-suspects-everyone/1/426022.html
Finally, Pakistan: Exporting terror? with General Asad Durrani will be broadcast by Al Jazeera English on April 10, 2015, at 2000GMT and will be repeated on April 11 at 1200GMT; April 12 at 0100GMT; and April 13 at 0600GMT.
To RAW13: To further buttress what I had stated yesterday about CAPFs doing COIN operations, here's some good news:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/jammu-and-kashmir-armed-forces-act-afspa-military-disturbed/1/425937.html
And as for your earlier question about a ban on cattle slaughter, here are the facts:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shekhar-gupta-modi-narendra-beef-ban-rss-vhp-governance/1/424730.html
Read it & have a laugh!
Hi Prasun
Is saraswati the indus, ?
It seems saraswati is a river that disappeared due to ecological changes. I think indus is known as sindhu. In sanskrit the chant goes like this (if i am right)... ganga , jamuna ,saraswati , sindhu cavery....
To Raw13: Aur Koi kaam nahi hai kya aapko..why do you want to make a fool out of yourself every time when you comment here.. Please spare us and PKS...your nation and religion is greatest.. You
happy now..
And Prasun sir..we are eagerly waiting for a new post
Prasun,
Please change the thread now. It is now becoming difficult to read on phones.
Thanks
I do not think that the nukes that eliminated Muen-jo-daro and Harappa belong to MahaBharata War. This war was much earlier during ~5500 BC.
Hi Pl start new thread
Dear Sir
How will India DEAL with these
EIGHT Chinese Submarines
And How much TIME will it take for
China to get ALL Eight Submarines
^^^^ Sorry!! Correction required
And How much TIME will it take for
China to supply ALL Eight Submarines
so you didnt go to aeroindia after all? your pics are all older ones linked on your blog. :-(
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/ada-lca-tejas-iv.43717/page-215
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/ada-lca-tejas-iv.43717/page-216
Read news about tejas mk1 A and know there are no design defenct once ballast weight and landing gear weight is removed as it is being targeted in tejas mk 1A.
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