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Monday, September 17, 2018

Naval Developments, Plus PGMs Being Developed By DRDO


Elbit Systems has been awarded an approximately US$173 million contract to provide close to 200 Remote Controlled Weapon Stations (RCWS) to the Navy and Coast Guard of India. The contract will be implemented over a five-year period. Under the contract, Elbit Systems will provide lightweight, fully stabilised dual-axis naval RCWS to be installed on-board a wide range of vessels. Each of the naval RCWS to be provided will house a Kord 12.7mm heavy machine gun and ammunition, a fire-control system and a modular optronic sensor suite.
Following exhaustive competitive evaluations, Spain-based INDRA, in which US-based Raytheon owns a 40% stake, had in late 2016 bagged the contract for supplying through the MoD-owned Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) the naval version of the 3-D all-digital LTR-25 L-band air/surface search radars for both the four Project 15B guided-missile destroyers, and for the seven Project 17A guided-missile frigates. Each LTR-25 unit is composed of a primary radar integrated with a secondary radar and an operation and power generation sub-systems. The LTR-25 is capable of digital beamforming, direct radio-frequency sampling, monopulse technique of operation in elevation and azimuth, clutter-rejection, as well as ballistic missile detection and tracking.
As part of its direct industrial offsets commitment, INDRA has partnered with BEL for helping the latter develop the RAWL-03 digital, 3-D, multi-purpose L-band naval radar for use by smaller naval vessels, such as guided-missile corvettes and shallow-water ASW vessels.
INDRA had entered the Indian market back in 2007 and INDRA Sistemas India Pvt Ltd, a wholly-owned subsidiary of INDRA, was incorporated in March 2009. The same year, this subsidiary was awarded the contract for automation of ATC systems at 38 airports managed by the Airports Authority of India (AAI), followed by a contract for nine secondary surveillance radars, plus instrument landing systems and ATC training simulators at four metro Airports—Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata. In the railways-related infrastructure sector too, INDRA was awarded with several contracts. For the metros, INDRA has to date implemented solutions for automatic fare collection system for the Kolkata Metro, Delhi Airport Metro, Mumbai Metro One, and the first monorail in India. For highways, INDRA has implemented solutions for highway traffic management system for more than 95km in Rajasthan, and for toll management systems in 88 lanes in Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka. INDRA has also provided design and consultation services for the central control at the Indira Gandhi International Airport and for the bus rapid transit corridor in Delhi, known as the Delhi integrated multi-mode transport system (DIMTS).
In the military-industrial sector, INDRA in 2016 entered into a workshare agreement with BEL for the design and supply of EW systems for the Indian Navy (Dolphin-2 ESM sensors for SSKs and SSBNs) and Army (the Himraaj and Himshakti CEWS network for deployment over mountainous terrain).
In August 2008, BEL received a Request For Proposal (RFP) from the MoD for supplying one ‘Himraaj’ Low-Intensity Conflict Electronic Warfare System (LICEW), which had been developed by the DRDO’s Defence Electronics Research Laboratory (DLRL). In February 2009, BEL submitted the techno-commercial proposal in a consortium with Electronics Corp of India Ltd (ECIL) for Rs.188.83 crore, which included Rs.16.53 crore towards Annual Maintenance Contract (AMC) and Rs.1.26 crore towards installation charges. The work share of ECIL comprised of major assembly units viz., three units of Control Centre (CC), three units of Cellular Communications Interception Sub-system (CCIS) and six units of Radio Relay Repeater Stations (RRRS), along with Engineering Support (ES) package. As against the cost of Rs.91.02 crore submitted in February 2009 by ECIL (Rs.71.67 crore for major assembly units, Rs.10.75 crore for ES package and Rs.8.60 crore for AMC), BEL, while submitting in February 2009 the commercial proposal to the MoD, quoted Rs.65.01 crore without obtaining the consent of ECIL. In April 2012, ECIL expressed its inability to accept the offer on the grounds that reduced prices were commercially not viable. Consequently, BEL decided in April 2012 to relieve ECIL from the commitment of execution of the workshare and to execute the entire project independently. BEL’s bid was the lowest and the MoD in July 2011 signed a contract for the supply of one LICEW system at a total cost of Rs.188.83 crore. As per the contract, deliveries were to be completed within 18 months of signing the contract, i.e. January 11, 2013. The RFP was followed by a No-Cost-No-Commitment (NCNC) demonstration, which was held in December 2009. During the NCNC demonstrations, major changes were proposed by the MoD. Failure to ensure the requirements of the customer at the time of signing the contract in July 2011, but after submitting the quote in February 2009, resulted in additional expenditure due to changes in equipment/OEM effected by the customer post-submission of the quote. The work of ECIL was completed at a cost of Rs.65.09 crore as against the quoted rate of Rs.69.56 crore. However, delays in obtaining amendments for changes in the OEM’s specifications contributed to delayed deliveries. The MoD levied liquidated damages (LD) of Rs.8.97 crore for the delayed supplies. As a result, BEL had to incur a loss of Rs.56.43 crore due to execution of this project. BEL completed the Project in March 2015 after a delay of 26 months by incurring a cost of Rs.218.42 crore, against which it earned Rs.170.96 crore, resulting in a loss of Rs.47.46 crore against the envisaged profit of Rs.22.10 crore.
The ‘Himshakti’ comes in two different versions. For the Indian Army, it is designed as a CIEWS system, whereas for the IAF it is known as the Ground-Based Mobile ELINT System (GBMES), whose first units were delivered to the IAF on March 18, 2018. The GBMES comprises one Control Station (CS) and three Receiving Stations (RS) integrated in master/slave concept to search, detect, monitor, record and process the hostile emissions as well as to find out the location of the emitter, thereby fulfilling the strategic EW requirements of the IAF. One of the three RS has also been configured to operate in master/slave configuration (with minimal degradation) in the absence of a control station. Each RS contains three ELINT Receiver Segments in the 70 MHz–40 GHz frequency range. In addition, one Communications Intelligence (COMINT) Receiver Segment, operating in 30-1000 MHz frequency range, intercepts and monitors the COMINT signals. Additional details of the Himraaj GBMES can be found here:

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/IITM/28______GBMES_(Project_HIMRAJ)_(1).pdf
In addition, INDRA has also bagged the contract for for co-developing with BEL a family of VSAT-based rapidly transportable Ku-band SATCOM systems for all three armed services, as well as for the National Nuclear Command Authority and the Strategic Forces Command. These systems provide fast and secure communications, notably amplifying the transmission's bandwidth and increasing the data transmission capacity. Furthermore, they are equipped with the capacity for using commercial and military communications satellites, thereby broadening the coverage of communications and lowering operating costs.
INDRA was also selected by TATA Power SED for supplying navaids for all IAF air bases under the MAFI project.
PGMs Being Developed By DRDO
Gautam Standoff Glide Bomb
Gaurav Standoff Glide-Bomb
Rocket-Powered Standoff LGB
SAAW Rocket-Powered DEW
Nag, Helina & Dhruvastra ATGMs
SANT Air-Launched Anti-Armour Missile With MMW Seeker
Medium-Range MPATGM
Long-Range ATGM Version of MPATGM 
The DRDO will be well-advised to develop a wire-guided version of the long-range ATGM, or a FOG-ATGM like the Red Arrow-10A/AFT-10 from NORINCO, which is shown below.

172 comments:

turbojet said...

Hi prasun Da,
Good morning...

I have two questions.
1- What is the range of that rocket powered stand-off LGB ?
2- Is that aforementioned SAAW rocket powered DEW developed by DRDO alone or DRDO developed it with assistant from Israel ?

turbojet said...

Nice to comment first in this new thread though.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To TORBO JET: 1) 12km & it will be laser-guided by LITENING LDP. It is being developed for use over high-altitude mountainous terrain. 2) It is being co-developed with RAFAEL since the previous decade. It will be series-produced by the KALYANI GROUP-RAFAEL JV in Hyderabad.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Presentations by HAL & the three armed services on helicopter developments & requirements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JafxkDJPL28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpuX-tot6s4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwNFAn5TaL8

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

What makes the City of London a state within a state? What are its legal underpinnings? Why do tax-evading scumbags from Ukraine, Russia, India, Africa & elsewhere prefer to take up residence in the UK or in one of its offshore protectorates? How does the UK manage to sit over an estimated US$50 trillion till this day? All answers, which also reveal how the global financial system works & can be manipulated with ease from the UK, can be found in this revealing documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8

Abhay Jain said...

Prasun Sir,

1) Is this "Long-Range ATGM Version of MPATGM" a derivative of MPATGM or what? It looks a lot bigger than the actual MPATGM DRDO is developing. What's it's weight with the launcher? Is it even man portable?


2) Have Nag and Helina missiles passed all of their user trails or there are more tests to be done? and how many each of these missiles to be inducted?

3) Is there any turboprop engine that HAL is developing? If yes then what're its specifications and intended use?


regards

Abhay

Srinivasa Nanduri said...

Hi Prasun,

Interesting facts provided here. thank you. One would never know this if not for you publishing them.

You mentioned a fiber optic guided longer range ATGM. Americans proposed development of longer range Javelin way back, can't India work with them on this?

And if it is fiber optic guided ATGM, cant we just order SPIKE why reinvent the wheel so to speak.

And on another topic seperate all together (sorry for deviating from the topic at hand)

In two of the talkshows yesterday in Capital TV, Pakistani panelists discussed Afghanistan and their narrative was that US has lost Afghanistan and are looking for respectable way out and that if things go bad and negotiations fail, Afghanistan's Norther Allaince will be a problem.

They spoke as if Taliban are legitimate political foe of Afghan government. What about the violence done by Afghan Taliban. Why do Pakistanis always rationalise violence against India and Afghanistan when done by Afghan Taliban or Jehadi tanzeems.

Also in the show, the panelist said, Pakistan is now opening trade passage for India to Afghanistan via Pakistan, may be due to American pressure. But he also said they need to make it conditional to negotiations on Kashmir. When i hear them speak its as if they truly believe that Kashmir will become Pakistani territory and its just a matter of time.

I dont understand this, i mean a common man falling for this propaganda is onething. But those who propagate fall for their own stuff.

They truly believe that with Russia, Iran and China on their side, they are going to make mincemeat of US troops and Afghan government. And then they want peace with India and USA. Its like make peace per their terms and whats with them is theirs and whats with us is up for negotiations. This is equally true when it comes to China. They never lose opportunity to tag india along with Pakistan.

Maldives first and now Nepal showed that with Chinese by their side, India can be told get lost and Bhutan seems to be slipping away while Srilanka is getting deeper into Chinese debt for this Colombo city development.

Will this ever change. Will there be targetted sanctions against China and Pakistanis and Maldivians. Will India have the gall to openly side with USA now that our interests seems to be in total alignment with USA.

Modi govt. is now a lameduck with less then 8 months to general elections and its seems a very interesting and trying period ahead of India.

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) VMT for your reply in the previous thread. You said that with CAATSA, our sovereign options are limited. What then becomes of our strategic cooperation with Russia on SSBNs SLBMs etc. if we walk waay from the S-400 ? Wo'nt Russia build Pakistan up with similar strategic capabilities?

2) If the U.S. has so much coercive power, ca'nt they further coerce us into gviving up furhter development of our strategic deterrence and accepting a South Korea like position within the U.S. alliance ? We should rough it out with sanctions rather than go through this.

Kritavarma

Sujit said...

Prasun sir, i think SANT is the indian version of brimstone missile..but what are these rudra m1 m2 nd m3?? Wud be grateful if u could say any weapon which could be dubbed as its counterpart..
2- regarding alcm nirbhay..last year i heard a rumour which said that drdo is quietly developing an air launched cruise missile that wud be stealthy subsonic and longrange which will be eqyal to the design of SCALP missile..
3- rafales SPECTRA contains active cancellation tech.?? Do we hv any research going on that field?
4- cant we just use the same as mossad's kidon to our likes of financial frauds?? Wud send a strong message..
And regarding england..law of karma is in action..

AMIT BISWAS said...

Most brilliant documentary ever.why doesn't US takes punitive action against Britain harbouring state within state which funellize money laundering from dark businesses to financing terrorist activities.....It seems " IS HAMAM ME SAB NANGE HAI" even US FEDERAL reserve is linked to it.....Or I am missing something

Arun said...

Dear Sir

Do we have any LONG Range Stand Off
Munitions Either Imported or Indigenous

Earlier There were some reports of a 100 km range Glide Bomb

Ved said...

Hi Prasun,
What is Rudram II, IIA AND III?

If MPATGM will be success why are we procuring spike?

Why the range of only 12 km at mountaneous features?

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

Any truth in this news that Taiwan is sharing intel related to China's military with India ?

https://www.facebook.com/1522309721394440/posts/1986889704936437/

Regards,
VIKRAM

Ashish Gautam said...

Sir ye Gautam vala bomb to mere surname pe banaya.... My copyright 😜😜😜
Ye SB Bana to Lia hai.... But political leadership mei itna dum he kha hai ki vo Inka use allow kre border k us paar maujood camps etc pe.... 😐😐

Kishore said...

Thank you for the link on British Overseas Territories.
India has one such a blackhole too traditionally, Mauritius.
and ther other more recent one is Singpore FTA, if any one is bothered to do some research.

Anonymous said...

prasun da, is SANT non line of sight? What seeker does it use?


AN

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ABHAY JAIN: 1) It is a lomger-range version of MPATGM. It’s weight will not be less than 25kg. 2) Nag has. HELINA is awaiting the LCH while it has been qualified on the Rudra. 3) No. Only the HTFE-25 turbofan & HTSE-1200 turboshaft are being developed.

To SRINIVASA NANDURI RAMANUKAM: DRDO is following the same developmental roadmap of the Spike family of ATGMs by first developing the MR version, then the LR version & finally the FOG-ATGM that can be launched from APCs & ICVs. Pakistan is most welcome to make all-pit efforts to settle into China’s & Russia’s laps. For, this is only hasten the downfall & total economic collapse of that country. Watch this:

Yeh Mulk Hamesha Bheek Par Hi Chalaa Hai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Q9rmZ0wU8

To ANUP: Because those probes aren’t rectractable. Only those of the Su-30MKI & MiG-23UPG are. Rectractable probes are always the best option.

To KRITAVARMA: 1) Are you saying that Pakistan is not covered by CAATSA? 2) Yes, that is possible, but not probable because the US wants India to stand up in every possible way to China. This has been the case ever since the 1950s & after 1962 the US very much wanted India to acquire nuclear WMDs & therefore did not veto India’s plans in the 1960s to acquire an unsafeguarded nuclear spent fuel reprocessing plant from Canada, while in Pakistan’s case the US vetoed similar efforts by Pakistan to acquire such plants from both France & Canada. The US has been & continues to be India’s “quiet but steadfast partner”.

To SUJIT: 1) Rudram-1, Rudram-2, Rudram-2A & Rudram-3 are ASMs with electro-optical sensors & will be similar to Russia’s KAB-500Kr PGM. They will be available for launch from IAF fixed-wing combat aircraft & helicopters of the IA, IN & IAF. 2) Nirbhay was always meant to be developed as an ALCM, GLCM & SLCM. That was confirmed way back in 2011 itself. 3) Read my answer in the previous thread. 4) If they are killed, then how will they ever be able to agree to surrender their wealth? Or how will they be forced by the law to surrender their ill-gotten wealth?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AMIT BISWAS: The colonial British Empire has now been replaced by a global financial empire controlled by the Anglo-Saxons.

To ARUN: What is BrahMos-1? Or PopeyeLite & Spice 2000?

To VED: 1) Rudram-1, Rudram-2, Rudram-2A & Rudram-3 are ASMs with electro-optical sensors & will be similar to Russia’s KAB-500Kr PGM. They will be available for launch from IAF fixed-wing combat aircraft & helicopters of the IA, IN & IAF. 2) No contract has been inked to date for EITHER the Spike-MR ATGM or the Barak-8 for the IAF. Only Spike-SR with 1.5km-range has been procured. 3) Over mountainous terrain one cannot deploy MR-SAMs or LR-SAMs or even SHORADS. The only threat therefore comes from shoulder-launched MANPADS.

To VIKRAM GUHA: LoLz! That has been going on since the mid-1950s. All the intercepted conversations in Mandarin that were co9llected by the IB & MI from inside Tibet from Tibetan separatists operating out of Mustang in Nepal were ALL translated into English by translators supplied to India by Taiwan.

To ASHISH GAUTAM: O yaar, Mirza Ghalib had once remarked that “Naam se badnaam hone ka darr hai, isiliye anjaan rehena behetar hai”. Political leadership ne bahut hanggaama kiya Delhi ke Aurangzeb Road ka naam badal ne ke liye. Tabh, kisi ne yeh nahi sochaa thaa ki Aurangzeb sirf aik insaan ka naam nahi hai. Harr ek neta tabh sab neta yeh sochtaa thaa ki Aurangzeb sirf ek Shahenshah ka naam hai. Uske baad jab Aurangzeb naam ka ek Indian Army sipahi J & K mein shaheed ho gaya, tabh bhi yeh sabh nalaayak aur nikammeh netalog ki aankhein nahi khuli!

Will upload later tonight the latest military-industrial updates on air-defence matters WRT IA & IAF.

To KISHORE: VMT, but the point to be noted is that no Indian seeks sanctuary in either Switzerland or Singapore or Mauritius, but always in the UK or in one of the UK’s 14 island-protectorates.

To AN: SANT uses MMW seeker & therefore it does have a limited line-of-sight/field-of-view.

turbojet said...

Prasun da, thanks for reply.
But I think you forgot to mention from what altitude if that DRDO's rocket Powered LGB has to be launched in order to achieve 12 km range. Is it low altitude or high altitude ?

It seems DRDO's rocket powered LGB is inferior to French AASM-hammer which has 60 km range of launched grom high altitude and 12 km range of launched from low altitude. It's design is also doesn't seems to be that impressive. What is your take here.

Pavan said...

Prasun da,
What is the use of Sudharshan LGB? Is it different from glide bombs? Or is that just a technology demonstrator?

john said...

PrasunDa,

What is the status of the BDL - AMOGHA - ATGM ?. Will it be inducted ?

Regards

Harsh said...

Sir, nice to know that LTR-25 L band radar are being purchased for both project 17a and 15b. But all the images of the models of these 2 ship classes posted by you as well as available else where show the same ugly LW-08 D-band air search radar as installed on project 15a. Don't you think think LTR-25 is too big for the ship.

Rahul said...

Dear Sir

Please write about what is happening in Afghanistan

The US Taliban peace talks , Ashraf Ghani coming to India , Ajit Doval going to USA , BAJWA going to China

US approving IMF Loan to Pakistan after Pompeo visit

What is likely to happen in near Future in Afghanistan

Also Russia and IRAN are making things difficult for US in Afghanistan

Give us a Perspective

capricorn said...

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/pm-modi-takes-direct-charge-economic-measures-avert-crisis
----prasunda what r ur thoughts on this???scamress can go to any dirty trick for power

Enigma said...

Sir,is there any way in which India can become a legally recognized nuclear weapons state(like America,Russia,Britain,France and China)?

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

(1) Saurav Jha tweeted today that according to files declassified by the CIA, India was prepared to support anti-Soviet elements within Pakistan if the USSR crossed the Durand line in the 1980s. Will you please clarify if this information is true ? If yes, why did India prevent USSR from striking Pakistani military in 1980's ?

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1041694817623826432


(2) DAC today approved the design & development of Test Equipment for Guided Weapon System for T-90. What test equipments are these ?

https://twitter.com/DefenceMinIndia/status/1042001804697919488

Thank You

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To TORBO JET: No forgetting at all. If the target is at an altitude of 16,000 feet or 18,000 feet (which is what high-altitude mountainous terrain is all about), then the PGM has to be launched from an altitude of 24,000 feet ASL. If the target was at far lower altitudes, then the range of the rocket-power PGM will of course be greater. There are several versions of the AASM Hammer & not just 1 version. Not all of them have 60km range & range envelope depends on the various types of inertial & terminal navigation systems employed by different versions of the AASM.

To PAWAN MS: Sudarshan LGB project was terminated by the DRDO 3 years ago. Instead, the dual-mode guidance (laser homing plus GPS) was preferred for the Gaurav HSLD glide bomb.

To JOHN: AMOGHA is nothing else but the MBDA-developed Milan-2T.

To HARSH: That’s because the scale-models shown at DEFEXPO 2018 by MDSL were all built in mid-2016. How can LTR-25 be too big for any warship? What does its photo uploaded above indicate? It is already on the Spanish aircraft carrier Juan Carlos.

To RAHUL: The PA’s COAS was summoned to Beijing for clarifications on the CPEC, about which the present federal govt of Pakistan is having serious second thoughts, especially about its secret provisions that have not yet been made public WRT the procurement of eight SSBs (Type 032 Qing-class) & related SLBMs. As for Afghanistan & the rest, this explains it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldIhniyj6lw&t=31s

The Uzbek President will also be visiting Delhi next month (after the Uzbek Defence Minister’s visit earlier this month) & Uzbekistan is now emerging as a strong, stable & reliable country for supporting Afghanistan & therefore if Chabahar FTIZ cannot be used any longer by India, then India will have to team up with Uzbekistan for jointly supporting & sustaining Afghanistan’s economic needs & reqmts. Meanwhile, India has completed survey work for building dams along the River Kabul.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ENIGMA: Only if/when India becomes a member of the UNSC’s permanent members.

To VIKRAM GUHA: LoLz! As the saying goes, “those who know little, tweet much.” The most authoritative literature on the situation in Afghanistan at that time are these:

https://www.amazon.in/Great-Game-Afghanistan-General-Unending/dp/9352644395

http://www.afghanasamai.com/Dscutions-poleticalcullture/Afghanasamai-2012/BATTLESafghanistanTheBearTrapDefeatofaSuperpowerMohammedYousaf.pdf

Even in 1984, it was known to all that that the Soviet red Army’s presence in Afghanistan at that time was limited to no more than 14,500 combat troops, with another 10,000 being involved in garrisoning functions. No force of such size can ever undertake an invasion of another country. For instance, when the Red Army marched into Hungary in 1956 & into Czechoslovakia in 1968, the invasion force comprised about 250,000 troops at both times. Hence, back in the 1980s the USSR never planned an invasion of Pakistan across the Durand Line, although the UUSR did make an offer to India in 1984 for a joint limited invasion of Pakistan, with the Red Army attacking FATA while the IA was to attack & capture PoK. But such an offer was never taken up by Rajiv Gandhi. Therefore, it is better to ignore such tweets by severely ill-informed entities who are totally ignorant about contemporary historical factoids.

Those are manportable testers for doing field-testing of the BDL-assembled 9M119F1 Invar-M laser-guided anti-helicopter projectile.

Unknown said...

Hello Sirji.Some stuffs that are happening which are out of line of thought. Here are few:
1.Recently, Israel handed over a port to China.Do you think there are any negative implications for us?
2.Russian MOD says IDF combat aircraft used an Russian Recce Aircraft as a shield and evaded Syrian SAM.Is that even possible?
3.Why would Pakistan need an SSB?My inner sense tells me that it's not solely for India.

BTW,on a humorous note,looking at the pace of LCH development, it seems folks at HAL are planning to make helicopter which costs Rs.55/km!

VIKRAM GUHA said...

Thank You PrasunDa.

Will you please suggest a few books that lays out war fighting strategies ? I recall in the past you had recommended 36 Strategem .

Thanks again.

VIKRAM

Unknown said...

Hi Prasun,

You mean to say, that after 1948, 1971 we again had an option in 1984 to get POK and we missed it.

How are we a still one nation, is a miracle I guess. With politicians like this who needs enemies.

And now that Bhutan too seems to be lost our loss of South Asia seems complete under modiji. Don't get me wrong, I see him as the best option out of the bunch available, but economic, social and foreign policy of his govt leaves much to be desired.

And you mentioned that Amogha is nothing but repacked milan2t, how on Earth did bdl think it can make army take it instead of spike or mmp or mpatgm. Our DPSUs are the worst copiers.

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri

Sumit sen said...

Dada Putin will visit India soon so which deals are on the radar??

Himanshu Kumar said...

RudraM IIA? I thought RudraM is an ASM so what does A symbolizes here? Also why need Dhruvastra when we already have HeliNa?

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Prasun Da,

I heard that all the DPSUs are ganging up against Pvt Indian companies like L & T , Tata, Godrej etc because the Private companies are getting orders & DPSUs don't want to see that happen.

I feel these DPSUs will eventually force private indian companies in defence to down shutter because DPSUs enjoy government support.

Thanks,
Sujoy

Prranshu Yadav said...

I have read that there is a plan to develop a version of nirbhay that will be subsonic for most of its flight but will go supersonic in final stage. I think the Klub can already do that. Can you please elaborate on this? In what situation will such a missile be used?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) What would happen to our cooperation with Russia on SSBNs, SSNs and SLBMs if we walk out of deals such as the S-400 due to CAATSA ?

2) When will Pak get all 8 SSBs ? Will the have more SLBMs in service than us at that stage or would we have moved on to introduce the S-5/6/7 with its definitive SLBM ?

3) Are the upper stages of ISRO's new SSLV (of 2m diameter) in any way related to the Agni-3/5 ?

Satyaki

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To INTOLERANT PERSON: 1) Of course not, nothing negative at all. In such matters China has amassed a phenomenal amount of expertise & capacity, which can be viewed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6VJTvkENzM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzZl2BzNeGM

2) Russians always make such outlandish claims in order to ensure the marketability of their air-defence systems that are deployed inside Syria. 3) Any country that requires a credible nuclear deterrent has no other choice but to go for a sea-based launch capability, which is always the most survivable component of the nuclear triad.

To VIKRAM GUHA: This should be of great interest:

https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/817212001X/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AAEHXJUTUR97E

To SRINIVASA NANDURI RAMANUKAM: Yes, that is indeed correct & the opportunity once again presented itself back in mid-1999. All the Indian netas post-independence have been poor readers of international history & those that have read some have mostly read the revisionist histories written by the Anglo-Saxons. Anmd that’s why we see the needless cockfights involving Kartarpur. Whjy the hell did this town merely 10km away from the IB wasn’t captured in 1971 is anyone’s guess. Amogha was procured in the previous decade itself directly from MBDA. Off late there’s a trend under which imported hardware are all given ‘Indian’ names to mask their sources of origin.

To SUMIT SEN: It is not about which are the deals on the radar. Many are, but they are all in target detection mode only, and nowhere near target lock-on & therefore even the RM does not want to zero in on the S-400 LR-SAM contract signature.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: I will repeat what I have several times before: stop having DPSUs & instead go for large-scale disinvestments. After all, if L & T can fuinction productively despite the Govt of India holding 32% of that company’s shares, then why can’t this be replicated for the DPSUs as well? BTW, I’ve added above some more information on the Himshakti/Himraaj CIEWS/GBMES systems.

https://twitter.com/cmdbel/status/994451643834892288

BEL & Khulna Shipyard, Bangladesh signed an MoU on 8 May, 2018 to collaborate in areas of Naval Electronics for various Naval Vessels being built in Bangladesh. The MoU was signed by Kiran V, GM (Intl Mktg) for BEL & Capt M Tareq, GM (Prodn), Khulna Shipyard

http://webpcache.epapr.in/index.php?in=http://d2na0fb6srbte6.cloudfront.net/read/imageapi/clipimage/906924/049b2645-7efa-4629-a935-bca030ebf08e

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/civic/welcome-trashfin-the-water-bodies-cleaner/articleshow/64891123.cms

https://www.f6s.com/sagardefenceengineeringpvtltd1

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/vvip-chopper-scam-uae-court-orders-extradition-of-middleman-christian-michel/articleshow/65862693.cms

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/uae-court-orders-extradition-of-agustawestland-middleman/story-RAnHPTmi2NE62KJ7w1C66H.html

Hope the abopve does not result in destroying the lives of innocent folks, like that described in the weblink below:

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/how-fake-spy-case-against-nambi-narayanan-sasikumar-set-isro-back-many-years-5361575/

To PRRANSHU YADAV: LoLz! You mean some Indian has succeeded in coming up with alternate laws of physics? The IN present;ly has 2 types of Klub cruise missiles: 3M54E ASCM that stays supersonic from launch till target impact; & the 3M14E LACM that stays subsonic from launch till target impact.

To SATYAKI: 1) Had already answered that yesterday itself when Kritavarma had asked an almost identical question. 2) Between 2020 and 2023. Together, they will have only 16 SLBMs on-board. 3) No.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Walkabout of the Pak PM's House: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYVPhia7Tak&t=25s

https://theprint.in/opinion/why-was-raw-formed-and-what-has-india-learnt-after-50-years-of-its-existence/119811/

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

Very much Thanks for your efforts at putting the right and hopeful information ranging from TrashFin of innovative Sagar Defence to the eye opening video of Anglo-Saxon western Big Business Superpower Empire.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) VMT. By 2023, our SSBNs would be the S2/3/4 with only 12 K-4 SLBMs aboard altogether, is'nt it ? PRC then makes them overtake us in SLBM numbers in a very short time.

2) If so, wo'nt land based Agni-5 with MIRVs produced in numbers be a better way to ensure that our numbers rapidly become credible with respect to China and superior to Pakistan ?

Satyaki

Srinivasa Nanduri said...


Hi Prasun,

Thank you for your reply.

Regarding procurement of AK103 that you mentioned in the previous thread, punj llyod already got a factory for ACE GALILs and Tavors and OFB has shown their own versions of AK, does India need to get to other version of 7.62x39?

Regards,
Ramanujam Nanduri

Sujit said...

Prasun sir, do we hv any development on loitering munitions like delilah missile??
When are we going to see lch and luh helicopters in service??.seems its going like towards infinity..
Is it true that uae has ordered to extradite christian mitchell to india?? Seems uae is paying back the favor india did to them by handing over them the runaway princess.
Are we going to see a special operations command soon?
Are we developing small diameter bombs like raytheon?

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir

I think this is Govt's PM house, this is the one in Bani Gala which is pvt property of Imran Khan Niazi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkSSXAtkuCo&

And I think this is more luxurious than even PM House.

Prranshu Yadav said...

Here is a great channel dealing with geopolitics that I recently came across. I thought I should share it with you since we discuss geopolitics here.

https://www.youtube.com/user/CaspianReport

Enigma said...

So becoming a UNSC permanent member is the only way to become a legally recognized nuclear weapons state.I remember you saying in the previous thread that the key to achieving positive global influence/clout is economic prowess.Would having a $10 trillion nominal GDP(our nominal GDP is $2.6 trillion now)be considered high enough for us to earn the right to get a UNSC permanent seat?And secondly,even after we become economically and militarily powerful,there is another problem.Any UNSC reform would require the agreement of 2/3rd member states and ALL the 5 permanent members.India should be able to get 2/3rd members votes but wouldn't China just keep blocking our permanent membership bid even after we become economically and militarily strong?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ENIGMA: Achieving positive global influence/clout through economic prowess & possession of nuclear WMDs are 2 exclusive & unrelated matters. Both Germany & Japan do not possess any nuclear WMDs & yet are global powerhouses with worldwide influence. On the other hand, even with nuclear WMD possessions, Pakistan plays no significant role in geopolitical or geoeconomic matters.

To ARPIT KANODIA: That videoclip you've posted is that of a mansion in Palm Springs. These show the Bani Gala residence of Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHiA42giX7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXMH65z9I6o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myxIIh8qg-0

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,
Check this out.

https://youtu.be/lV1Gfz9eJUI

The SVCh rifle is loosely based on the iconic Russian SVD and another lesser-known weapon by renowned weapons designer Evgeny Dragunov – the ‘Compact Assault rifle’ prototype. Taking the best concepts from both weapons, the SVCh is said to be more accurate and less prone to dislocation of the optics than the SVD, which is the main rifle for the Russian Army’s designated marksmen.

Kane

AMIT BISWAS said...

What purpose does HIMRAAJ AND HIMSHAKTI EW systems serve during war and peace times??? If possible share some literature to understand these types of systems purpose and working

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) One reason for Pakistan's WMD possesion not giving it a large power status is that most of Pak's WMDs are tactical weapons with several more deployed on MRBMs of upto 2000 km range. They successfully deter us and no body else.

2) These weapons as well as the missiles are clearly donated by the Chinese, with Pakistanis themselves having very little ``know why" in these things. Unlike even NoKo or Iran, Pakistan has not launched a satellite with all the rocket technology it has.

3) A nuclear power with a credible indigeneous deterrent has a different weight altogether: take Russia for example. It wields more clout (though not positive) than Germany or Japan in spite of an inferior economy.

4) For middle weight nuclear powers (hopefully we get there in some years), it appears to be as follows: a credible minimum deterrent is the ultimate insurance that ensures that no combination of external powers, great or small, can compel such a power to part with its territory.

5) France is such a middle weight nuclear power without facing any pressing territorial threat. For us, facing the combination of threats we do, a credible minimum deterrent is a must.

Brash

Harsh said...

Sir, what's the instumented range of MF STAR radar on our Kolkata class destroyers? The website of elta lists 2 variants with 250 and 450km range.

Same for the el/m-2238 STAR on shivalik class frigate. 3 versions of this radar on elta website with range from 150 to 350km. So what's the range of the variant on our frigate.

Newcomer said...

Sir, I am sorry to poke This issue again about ISRO..
You said there where no case but all where a frame up.. I agree with you sir.. Not just us even the SC also does so awarded 50lk as compensation
But still there is a question Why? and on whose behalf..?
can you share you r views..!!

Also why is no one making any noise to root out the source..
Why are the real culprit are still in the shadows..?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,
In answer to Intolerant Person's question: 2.Russian MOD says IDF combat aircraft used an Russian Recce Aircraft as a shield and evaded Syrian SAM.Is that even possible?

You said:2) Russians always make such outlandish claims in order to ensure the marketability of their air-defence systems that are deployed inside Syria.

But it seems that the Russian claim was bang on target. After the Russian MOD made that claim, it seems the Israeli senior forces leadership are rushing to Moscow to explain within closed doors.

This has never happened before that Israel sends top officials of the kind Major-General Amikam Norkin, Brigadier General Erez Maisel etc after a strike. Although Putin and Netanyahu seems to be eager to get behind this issue with their consolatory statements.

https://www.rt.com/news/438876-israel-satellite-latakia-strike/

Kane

Sujit said...

Prasun sir, m hvng confused between prahaar and pralay..kindly enlighten me please..any similar active system wud be great to know..

Kapil said...

Sir, you had said that Prahaar was rejected by the army. Why are they testing it then? https://twitter.com/Sjha1618/status/1042754624321515522

Buddha said...

https://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_sosna_air_defense_missile_system_will_enter_soon_in_serial_production.html
Sir Does India need this type of system....
It can be attached with assault unit

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SATYAKI: 1) Not quite, because by 2023 the S-4 SSBN will also be available. 2) Not quite, because a truly credible minimum strategic deterrent calls for 50 of the deterrent arsenals to be survivable, i.e. sea-based on-board SSBNs.

To SRINIVASA NANDURI RAMANUKAM: The AK-103s are meant for replacing AK-47s, & not anything else. IMI-supplied SLRs & LMGs are for different end-users.

To SUJIT: 1) Not yet. Only the IAF’s Harops can loiter before attacking. 2) There’s no word on LCH attaining FOC status. The LUH is expected to receive its certificate of airworthiness next June. 3) The ‘desi’ press has already retracted that story, since it was Fake News. 4 & 5) No.

To AMIT BISWAS: They are used during peacetime for monitoring the adversary’s field deployments & exercises so that the electronic order of battle can be measured & monitored. Had already shared the weblink above that describes these systems.

To BRASH: Pakistan cannot achieve credible minimum strategic deterrence unless & until it obtains a survivable nuclear deterrent capability.

To HARSH: Instrument ranges can be altered/changed through different power output settings. The APAR apertures stay the same & do not require any changes.

To NEWCOMER: On no foreigner’s behalf. The plotters & conspirators were all Indian citizens, especially politicians of the INC. The same was also done with IN Capt (Ret’d) B K Subba Rao.

To KISHORE: No, they won’t. And that’s why LEMOA & COMCASA are very important in order to ensure hardware inter-operability in the event of US & Indian military forces operating together in a common war theatre, so that blue-on-blue engagements can be avoided.

To KANE: No need to dwell on conspiracy theories. Suffice to say that the Syrian air-defence system was primarily responsible for wrongly targetting the Russian IL-20. There’s a huge difference between the cruising speed & RCS of the F-16s & those of the IL-20. The Syrian human-resources manning the Syrian air-defence network therefore failed miserably & were not proficient in their taskings.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BHOUTIK: 1) Had already explained it all in the previous thread on September 17. 2) The most prominent revisionist history concerns the colonial Brits’ coining of terms like Hindustaan & Hinduism & Hindus. None of these 3 terms were ever mentioned in any of ancient India’s religious or historical texts. 3) Best way to reform any such agency is to enact parliamentary legislation & make these agencies accountable to the laws of the land, as almost everyone else around the world has done to date. 4) Folks tend to have short memories & hence such confusion & obfuscation. For instance, when the PPP-led govt was trying its best to accord MFN status to India & have a host of other travel/trade pacts with India back in 2011, the PA sabotaged them by staging a series of beheadings of IA soldiers between mid-2011 & 2013, knowing fully well that all these will force India to back off & desist from inking any agreements with Pakistan. And that’s exactly what happened & the PA won that round. The same is now underway with the beheading of the BSF soldier & that too in an area where the Chenab Rangers owns all the real-estate starting from northern Indian Punjab right up to Poonch, i.e. along ther IB & WB. So, how can any terrorist infiltrate into Chenab Rangers-owned territory? Obviously this PA-orchestrated incident was intended to force India’s MEA to call off the expected meetings between the Foreign Ministers of India & Pakistan in New York later this month. And at least 1 person (K C Singh) was intelligent enough to grasp this truth here yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K77P703Q0ek

Now, the same pattern of events as of 2011 is being replayed:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/signs-of-thaw-as-india-accepts-imrans-proposal-for-foreign-ministers-meeting/articleshow/65891795.cms

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-will-take-up-bsf-soldier-s-barbaric-killing-and-mutilation/story-z3zEvi7LUyQxKSgAySyYWP.html

Consequently, in the coming days, I expect more such beheadings to take place.

To KAPIL: Firstly, Prahaar was NEVER meant for the IA, but for the tri-services Strategic Forces Command. Hence, it was never offered to the IA & therefore the IA never rejected it. Secondly, what was tested yesterday was the PRAHAR, and not Prahaar. Why was it tested? Most probably for commencing efforts ai9med at developing & deploying weaponised tactical nuclear weapons, since sub-kiloton warheads were tested in May 1998 & they are ready for mating with any missile. Lastly, the Prahar is not a tactical ballistic missile, but is a surface-to-surface battlefield support missile that never flies a ballistic trajectory. Instead, the missile is powered all the way up to its target, just like an MBRL rocket.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: Of course they were totally aware of what was transpiring. And they did try very hard to prevent Pakistan from acquiring nuclear WMDs. The reason they faioled was that they were nowhere near to the scene-of-action in order to intervene in any manner, i.e. supply of nuclear WMD hardware from China & North Korea to Pakistan took place via the PoK route. Had India succeeded in capturing significant portions, if not all, of PoK back in mid-1999, then by now Pakistan would not have had credible minimum nuclear deterrence.

And now we have this:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/ussr-supplied-clandestine-cash-to-congress-party-cia/articleshow/56787127.cms?utm_source=AMPusers&utm_medium=twittershare&utm_campaign=socialsharebutton&from=mdr

Matters are explained in far greater detail on the money supply-chain from the USSR with locations & dates in this book:

https://www.amazon.in/Factor-Journey-Wrong-Right-Time/dp/9351773248

Another important matter requiring attention is this:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/top-iaf-official-tests-rafale-in-france/articleshow/65890063.cms

I hope that such IAF officials take such sorties instead of treating them as joyrides. These officials need to ascertain the optimal locations of critical locations of the power-supply panels so that no inflight emergencies take place just because the pilot inadvertently switches off something while scretching his arse! I’m saying this because this is EXACTLY what had happened on April 30, 2009 that caused the IAF’s first Su-30MKI to crash. And while the IAF HQ was still clueless about the cause of this crash, I had on May 27, 2009 made public certain clues that had later led to the identification of the reason that had caused this crash, which can be read here:

http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2009/05/stop-abuse.html

It will therefore be only criminal negligence that could cause an IAF Rafale to crash due to near-identical reasons. I hope the IAF HQ takes notice of this comment & takes the necessary preventive steps.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To UNKNOWN: The under-development (by DRDO) SR-SAM mounted on Tatra trucks offers similar mobility/firepower capabilities.

To PRATAP: Folks tend to have short memories & hence such confusion & obfuscation. For instance, when the PPP-led govt was trying its best to accord MFN status to India & have a host of other travel/trade pacts with India back in 2011, the PA sabotaged them by staging a series of beheadings of IA soldiers between mid-2011 & 2013, knowing fully well that all these will force India to back off & desist from inking any agreements with Pakistan. And that’s exactly what happened & the PA won that round. The same is now underway with the beheading of the BSF soldier & that too in an area where the Chenab Rangers owns all the real-estate starting from northern Indian Punjab right up to Poonch, i.e. along the IB & WB. So, how can any terrorist infiltrate into Chenab Rangers-owned territory? Obviously this PA-orchestrated incident was intended to force India’s MEA to call off the expected meetings between the Foreign Ministers of India & Pakistan in New York later this month. And at least 1 person (K C Singh) was intelligent enough to grasp this truth here yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K77P703Q0ek

Now, the same pattern of events as of 2011 is being replayed:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/signs-of-thaw-as-india-accepts-imrans-proposal-for-foreign-ministers-meeting/articleshow/65891795.cms

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-will-take-up-bsf-soldier-s-barbaric-killing-and-mutilation/story-z3zEvi7LUyQxKSgAySyYWP.html

Consequently, in the coming days, I expect more such beheadings to take place. There’s no problem with having talks or exchange of views in foreign countries, but not inside India (since the idiots will insists on meeting APHC members while they are in Delhi). But no negotiations must be conducted, period. And as for who still calls the shots inside Pakistan, just look at this videoclip showing the Chinese FM negotiating with the PA’s COAS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQuJrp4NMNI

And this, showing the COAS meeting Xi Jinping even before PM Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi gets to meet Xi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk87qGjCXUo

Also take note of Xi’s body language, which clearly shows Xi giving instructions to the COAS that will in turn be relayed to the Pak PM.

And lastly, a report on Pakistan bracing for sectarian violence before Muhharram:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM6ZW-Nj7Fg

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is1BBilkyUM

Vishu Kayh said...

Hello Prasun

Your reviews are very informative and profound (Will keep the criticisms personal if we ever run into each other by chance), I am particularly very happy at the pace with which technologies are being inducted to our forces for optimum tactical ops.

Meanwhile, please confirm this about SAAW DEW - I think this would be the first-of-its kind induction into the forces on an 'electro-magnetic' scale :)

- Non-kinetic PGM
- Fibre-Optic Gyros
- Active phased-array microwave emitter to emit bursts of selective high-frequency Microwave pluses
- Capability to shut down enemy's 'Command, control, communication and computing, surveillance and intelligence systems' within a range of 100Kms
- Upto 6 Targets in a single mission
- Self Destroyed at the end of the mission

Thanks



Just_curious said...

prasun,


Your views on the following bits of news pls..

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/09/s-400-deal-significant-transaction-with.html

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/09/us-sanctions-china-for-buying-russian.html

I'm suspecting that the US will apply sanctions against India on both Russia n Iran..as they will want to prove a point .. How will India respond n wot happens to the Indo US relations .. They might target soft indian economic underbelly like it exports etc detriment to our economy

Another interesting piece of news https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/pakistan-invites-saudi-arabia-to-invest-in-china-economic-corridor/articleshow/65892565.cms


Isn't the gov going mental with the 'surgical strke' propaganda.. http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/09/ugc-asks-varsities-to-celebrate.html
This is what it is supposed to do...its extremely sad that the armed forces are used as a tool for election propaganda by all parties ..

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

Here is at least someone giving credit to you when they use your intelectual rights.

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/09/idn-take-know-about-indias-battlefield.html

Kane

Varun said...

Sir, Gormint has cancelled FM level talks with Pakistan after 3 J&K policemen were killed. But why did they agreed to talks in the first place? Yeh confused idiots POK wapis lenge?

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

As events proceed along expected tracks, what is your analysis in view of procurements, reorganisation of forces in progress and the current geo-political situation between India and Pakistan?

Thanks in expectation of a comprehensive analysis involving all players and scenarios. Things look pretty interesting. Actually Curiouser and Curiouser as people in Wonderland would say with the more things change, the more they remain the same.

Kishore said...

why the NDA govt is so refused to publish the data to the parliamentarians confidentially WRT the questions they have WRT Rafale jets? it solves the allegations they are having now? is it not prudent ?

Ved said...

Prasun your views

India proposed Reliance for Rafale deal, claims former French President Hollande - The Economic Times Video | - http://www.ecoti.in/A9lfeb

Harsh said...

Sir, it is being reported that ex French president hollande has said that reliance as a partner in rafale deal was imposed on them. What happens now??
I know every kind of twists and turns brought up by scamgressis...But am worried of the future of this deal as well as additional orders for rafale.

Hardik Thanki said...

Prasunji

According to a french journalist, Francis Hollande, ex-president of france under whom the rafale deal was signed has said that government of India suggested the Anil Ambani's reliance for local partner and the french side had no choice in the matter. Please shed some light in this bit of news

Thanks & Regards
Hardik Thanki

DAshu said...

Not a good feeling but the writing on the wall is that India have to NEGOTIATE PoK settlement by giving that area to PA for sure. GoI cannot give freehand to Indian Armed forces due to china factor.

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Prasun Da,

The biggest problem in this country is we all keep on TALKING. We never act. That's the biggest difference between India & China or US. This explains why,in the 80s the Chinese economy was not much biger than India's. Today it is 5X India's economy.

Not sure what got us here. Is it possible that 1200 years of colonial rule completely destroyed Hindus inside out ? I don't know. Why is it that since 1947 we continue to elect incompetent, corrupt, sinister parties at the Center to rule us? Maybe lack of educated people, a robust middle class. You will probably have a better understanding of things.

Thanks

Sujoy

Kishore said...

UK Home Secretary has stepped down for lying in parliament over trivial immigration matter. Will Indian defence minsiter shows the same standards her office requires for lying (Dassualt selected Reliance) that too on a topic that involves national security ? Modi and Team has made the biggest scams in Gujarat where they made the state owned assets NPAs.

Just_curious said...

Prasun, why is hollande. muddying the water??

AMIT BISWAS said...

Hollande has dropped massive bomb on rafale deal.....whats the future of this deal now???

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VISHU KAYH: I had confirmed it way back on may 23, 2015 & in fact was the first to explain it all here:

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2015/05/missing-woods-for-trees.html

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) If you recall, I had already stated that to me the S-400 LR-SAM makes no operational or financial sense at a time when the IAF, In & IA are all opting for the Barak-8’s LR-SAM/MR-SAM versions & when the DRDO continues to develop the AAD & PDV interceptors. Nor does it make any sense for Goas Shipyard Ltd to licence-build only 2 Project 1135.6 FFGs at cost-prohibitive rates & nor does it make any sense to licence-build Ka-226T helicopters when HAL continues to develop the single-engined LUH. So let us at least be thankful to POTUS Trump & Co for forcefully compelling the present crop of unintelligent ‘desi netas’ with way-below-average IQs to opt out of uncommercial & unviable military procurement choices & instead focus on military-industrial options that hold far greater promises for series-producing home-grown solutions. 2) As you are well aware by now, Pakistan has since the past 2 years been afflicted with the bad habit of totally falsifying what tyranspires during bilateral meetings & it has so far issued press releases that are then diamertrically opposed by the other party. So this propaganda about the KSA becoming a 3rd strategic partner of the CPEC is just another falsification, since all that the KSA had stated was that it will do everything it possibly can to support PM Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi’s efforts to create a 21st century ‘Riyaasat-e-Medina in Pakistan, without going into any further details. 3) This can only be the brainchild of those who suffer from inferiority complexes & also have a very low sense of self-esteem.

To KANE: Everyone is giving one’s own ill-informed spin on the Prahar & Pralay. I will explain it all in detail with new uploads above in this thread.

To VARUN: It is a wrong move. The meeting should have proceeded & India could then have stated after that meeting that the event was used by India to give a firm message to Pakistan about its violations of the ceasefire along the IB & LoC, & also about Pakistan’s glorification of terrorists as revolutionary freedom-fighters. By cancelling the meeting, this GoI has fallen into the same trap that was set up by the PA for the UPA-2 govt between 2011 & 2013—exactly what I had predicted 24 hours ago.

To KAUSTAV: Those are still works in progress, but I will explain some of them through new uploads above in this thread.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KISHORE: It was never an issue concerning data, which will be made available by the CAG in its future audit reports. Instead, it was first about akkegations of crony capitalism, followed now by allegations about treating HAL like a step-child, i.e. the INC is constantly shifting the goalposts. In reality, it is all about trying to corner this GoI in order to neutralize this GoI’s equally brazen & stupid effort to target the UPA-2 govt with allegations of corruption WRT AW-101 helicopter procurement. Consequently, no one seems serious about correcting the wrong by asking the UPA-2 govt exactly on what grounds did it unilaterally cancel the AW-101 procurement when even 3 separate Italian courts have found no evidence of any wrongdoing by an Indian citizen or PIO. To me, that’s the real issue,. i.e. compromising national security at the sacrificial alter due to whims & fancies that can never stand the test of any legal scrutiny. Meanwhile, the National Nuclear Command Authority remains bereft of these AW-101s that were reqd for dispersing the country’s national decision-makers in the event of military emergencies. And since the UPA-2 govt unilaterally terminated this contract, it now cannot prove its innocence since that very govt had stated that contract cancellation was done due to the existence of corrupt practices related to the procurement process. So now the present-day govt does not have to prove anything at all & all it has to do is consistently state that since it was the UPA-2 govt that terminated the AW-101 procurement contract due to allegations of corruption, then corruption must definitely have taken place even if no one can ever prove it. So, it can now be seen that the UPA-2/INC have shot themselves on their foot & are now caged within a no-escape zone & hence the INC will go to any lengths to try to do the same to this GoI.

As for ministerial resignations, how can one compare UK’s 21st century democratic practices with India’s 19th century democratic practices that continue to prevail till this day? Just check up whether or not India still adheres to the 1864 Police Act & scores of other laws that were enacted prior to independence. Why do these salaried parliamentarians just don’t bother to enact 21st century legislations aimed at reforming the country’s laws?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VED, HARSH & HARDIK THANKI: Just wait for another 24 hours for clarifications to be issued by the French Presidential Office. In all probability, the clarification will state that ex-President Hollande had ‘meant’ to say that the ‘instructions’ to the French DGA came not from any Indian party or citizen, but from Dassault Aviation, which had the final say in choosing its Indian industrial partner. Nor should anyone be surprised by such a clarification, since it is well-known that Dassault Aviation had since 2008 been negotiating with that portion of the Reliance Group that is owned by Mukesh Ambani. And that’s because both portions of the Reliance Group (owned by Mukesh & Anil) were the first buyers in India of Dassault Aviation’s Falcon family of bizjets back in the previous decade. Reliance Aerospace Technologies Ltd. (RATL) by Mukesh Ambani was incorporated on September 4, 2008. Here’s more data:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/rils-arm-couldve-been-partner-in-earlier-rafale-offsets-deal/articleshow/65791781.cms

To DASHU: LoLz! No need to become a victim of ill-conceived perceptions. The reality is quite different, as these 2 videoclips will reveal to you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgHxuKvMkfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCDiPIJ9M0E

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: LoLz! The laws of creation state that we can only get the leaders that we truly deserve, since such ‘netas’ come from our very midst, & do not come from the heavens above. Hence, it’s no use blaming ‘foreigners’ or ‘non-Muslim colonisers’. And that's why we have this:

INC: We unilaterally terminated the AW-101 procurement because we knew there was corruption involved, although we don't have any means of proving any act of corruption being committed.

BJP: Well, in that case since you are convinced that corruption of an as-yet unproven kind did take place, then we too will insist that corruption took place since like you, we too don't have any proof of any corruption, but since it all happened during your reign, we will continue blaming you for corrupting the AW-101 deal because you yourself have admitted that corruption had taken place. So let us both continue to engage in such mindless cockfights since none of us can lay our hands on any definitive/undeniable evidence of corruption having taken place!

Avijit Dasgupta said...

Le monde is a leftist newspaper. The journo claims that Hollande said this...but it must be verified. Because why would they publish something that makes no impact on France but kicks up a storm in india with a certain party led by a European lady with a full beneficiary. The leads are connected to India and there is one wire coming out of China. Rahul was not sitting on Chinese lap for no reason. Rafale is on Chinese radar for long.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) But the Barak 8/8ER has a maximum slant range of 70 km/150 km for the ER version. The 40N6 has a 400 km slant range on the other hand. Unless DRDO can rapidly develop and operationalize such a missile (say, in 5 years time), dose'nt the S-400 make sense ?

2) Moreover, some lucrative deals should be given to Russia for continued collaboration on SSBNs and SLBMs, unless our abilities have already reached the point where such collaboration is no longer necessary (unlikely). Hope GoI finds a way.

Satyaki

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JUST_CURIOUS & AMIT BISWAS: LoLz! If anyone is muddying the waters, it is only the combination of the band of ‘desi patrakkars’ & the naalayak & nikkamma INC party spokespersons. Here’s what the ex-French President had said:

“Initially, the deal was supposed to be for 126 planes, then when the government changed, the Indians reformulated their proposition, less attractive for us because it was for 36 aircraft only. But the manufacturing was planned to be in France, contrary to the preceding proposition, so we lost on the one hand and gained on the other.” But the new deal also included the offset agreement between Dassault and the Reliance Group, now the subject of controversy. How and by whom was the latter selected? “We didn’t have any say in this matter,” Hollande told Mediapart. “It is the Indian government which had proposed this service group, and Dassault who negotiated with Ambani. We didn’t have the choice, we took the interlocutor who was given to us. That’s why, also, this group had no reason to give me any grace [favour] of any sort. I could not even imagine that there was any link with Julie Gayet’s film.”

https://thewire.in/business/full-text-of-french-report-on-how-modi-govt-pushed-anil-ambani-as-partner-for-rafale-deal

What needs to be understood here is that: 1) Hollande has NOT named any Indian entity in the sentences attributed to his direct quotes. 2) He has used the term ‘service group’, meaning more than 1 entity that will be the recipients of the offsets. This then translates into the offset business from Dassault amounting to just Rs 6,600 crore (Rs 66 billion). Dassault’s share in the total offset Export Obligation (sic) is thus approximately 22%, or Rs 6,600 Cr (Rs 66 billion). The balance 78% of offsets are to be discharged by other companies such as Thales, Safran and MBDA. Thales already has a JV with HAL for discharging its offsets obligations, while SAFRAN too has an arrangement with HAL for building RLG-INS like Sigma-95N & Sigma-30. In addition, SAFRAN is negotiating various joint R & D with DRDO. 3) The term ‘service group’ refers to all those military-industrial entities of India that have been successfully vetted by a joint MoD-Union MHA team to ensure compliance with various industrial security-related parameters that are specified in the India-France Inter-governmental Agreement inked in 2008 that forms the umbrella agreement for all military-industrial co-production projects.

Therefore, it is utterly baseless & mischievous for anyone, especially the INC, to claim that Reliance will be the SOLE beneficiary of Rafale-related industrial offsets, & that the name of Reliance was specifically proposed as a beneficiary of offsets contracts by anyone in this GoI, because the list of Indian entities eligible for receiving offsets contracts that was given by India’s MoD to France’s DGA is an official document, & is therefore officially communicated. Such matters cannot be communicated verbally. All these will be revealed in the CAG’s audit report of the Rafale deal in future. The French govt too will respond soon along similar lines, rest assured. Only those ‘desi’ patrakaars & commentators who have no domain expertise on such matters involving the finer details of governmental SOPs will continue cribbing, & most of them in any case have lent their signatures to the PIL that was recently filed with the Supreme Court, so they now have a malicious motive in spreading falsehoods as well.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: These stamps were released last July:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBcub2Tm5fI


To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVEL:

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/truck-mounted-gun-system-howitzer-bofors-indian-army-1340143-2018-09-14

https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/iiser-bhopal-develops-organic-solar-cell-using-vitamin-b12-derivative/article24903121.ece?homepage=true

Low-Cost Houses with Gypsum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7abe8pe1Tck

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/slideshows/indias-first-desi-gps-module-launched-all-you-need-to-know/photolist/65901978.cms?utm_source=toiweb&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=toiweb_hptopnews

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/ramakrishna-electro-develops-indian-satellite-linked-gps-module/1387931

The GPS system's chipset is being installed by Rama Krishna Electro Pvt Ltd and (surprise! surprise! the anti-climax!) Shanghai MobileTek

The complete UTrack module is a US design:

http://www.gargoylesecurity.com/DownloadableFILES/UPLINK/autoPro_install_manual_071609.pdf

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,
Looking forward to your updates.
The recent statement by AM Nambiar in an interview clearly spells out the scope for 6 squadrons of 110 MMRCA to be oriented towards more Rafale as they would automatically offer the most cost-effective life cycle set up due to the 36 Rafales and their existing setup in India by the time MMRCA-2 moves beyond the RFI stage

AM Nambiar: The IAF had hosted a Request For Information (RFI) in April 2018 for approximately 110 fighter aircraft. The proposal intends to procure fighter aircraft for six squadrons with one squadron in flyaway state, and the remaining five squadrons are to be made in India by the Strategic Partner as per the provisions of Chapter VII of the Defence Procurement Procedure-2016. Advancements in technology have taken place since the last RFP was issued in 2007. The IAF will examine the responses and go through the process of defining Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQR) for the current proposal to ensure maximum competition. Increased competition is expected to bring in better offers of technology , lower procurement costs and better terms for acquisition.

So we have (36 Rafales) 2 + 1 imported Rafale squadrons and 5 squadrons of Rafales, just maybe, made in India.

Kaustav said...

OTOH, MMRCA-2 could just as well be Make In India latest blocks F-16s, in which case it shall be curtains for the 200+ MWF/LCA-Mk2 and IAF, in that case obviously go in for 300+ F-16s

Cost effective offers only either of these solutions. It will become more logical in the coming days as India is integrated more with the USA.

Ankit Singh said...

Doesn't India has such industries that can manufacture this modules in house?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,
Brilliant logical deductions from you.

French government did come out with the clear statement that no recommendation has been given by either GoI or French government to Dassault regarding its offset partners.

Dassault came out with a clear statement that they have selected to use Dassault Reliance joint venture for the offsets. ​"In accordance with India’s acquisition procedure, French companies have the full freedom to choose the Indian partner companies that they consider to be the most relevant, then present for the Indian government’s approval the offsets projects that they wish to execute in India with these local partners so as to fulfil their obligations in this regard,"

​Dassault said 'Other partnerships aside from DRAL have been signed with other companies such as BTSL, DEFSYS, Kinetic, Mahindra, Maini, SAMTEL,’ Other negotiations are ongoing with hundred-odd other potential partners,’.

Exactly along the line you mentioned earlier.
How precient!

Kane

Anonymous said...

And now even Hollande has removed all doubts:

Speaking to AFP, Hollande said he was unaware if India had put pressure on Reliance and Dassault to work together.

"Only Dassault can comment on this," Hollande told AFP on the sidelines of a meeting in Canada on Friday.

Kane

Enigma said...

Army Chief today:"We need to take stern action to avenge the barbarism that terrorists & the Pakistan Army have been carrying out. Yes,it's time to give it back to them in the same coin, not resorting to similar kind of barbarism. But I think the other side must also feel the same pain: Army Chief"

Hinting towards something big?PoK operation?


Rajesh Mishra said...

Thanx! Things have moved in line with your statements. Now Pappu has already called Modiji as a thief. So what will Pappu do now?

Further now what will happen to Imran Khan if India strikes back from a stand-off distance?

Kapil said...

Prasun ji, what does Gen Rawat's warning mean on the ground? Because everything the Army Chief says carry big significance and if only small scale cross loc raids is all that IA will do then isn't it better do them in secrecy without issuing warnings?

Simply me said...

Is army chief hinting towards capture of haj pir pass??

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KAUSTAV: The RFI concerns 114 MMRCAs, not 110, meant for six sqms. The Rafale reqmt was WRONGLY labelled as the MMRCA reqmt. It is actually the DPSA or deep-strike interdictor reqmt for taking over the role of the Jaguar IS, since the Jaguiar IS fleet has taken over the tactical interdiction role from the MiG-23BNs & MiG-27Ms. Hence, the reqmts are now for DPSA (for which 126 Rafales are reqd), the medium multi-role tactical interdictor.air-defence combat aircraft (114 aircraft). That makes the reqmt for 83 Tejas Mk.1As & the Tejas Mk.2 (together making up 18 sqns) totally redundant & unnecessary. Such a situation can only be turned around IF the Tejas Mk.1A is developed the way it ought to be instead of the mess it is now, plus highly accelerating the Tejas Mk.2’s developmental process.

To ANKIT SINGH: Obviously such modules are not available from any Indian OEM. Indian OEMs like BEL are only developing hand-held MIL-SPEC GPS locators.

To KANE: here’s the original statement from Dassault Aviation:

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2018/09/PR_Dassault-Aviation_Rafale-India.pdf

It was the ‘desi’ warrior TV channels that had sent India into a meaningless tizzy, just as they had done with the Christian Michel extradition issue. Adding fuel to the fire were the interviews given by certain French journalists who too are unaware about all the procedural aspects of the G-to-G deal & that’s why theu themselves did not ask the right questions to ex-President Hollande & therefore the answers that they had obtained were of a convoluted nature when they were finally published.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ENIGMA, KAPIL & FULVA TANDEL: No, the IA’s COAS was talking about retaliating in kind in a proportionate manner, & not indulging in any overkill. And the ‘Vadlaa’ will be taken not by the IA, but by the BSF. But it is the GoI that made some stupid mistakes, like first annlouncing the meetings of the two FMs in New York & then cancelling it within 24 hours. In my view, the meeting should have gone ahead but India should have during that meeting clearly stated its PoV & should have raised objections WRT efforts by Pakistan to host the SAARC Summit later this year. And the meeting should have been held in full view of TV cameras (but the conversation should have been made inaudible) & the Indian FM’s body language & glum face should have been enough to convey the intended message to her Pakistani counterpart. India also made the stupid mistake of not officially protesting last July when those Pakistani postage stamps were released. In other words, consistency is lacking. Furthermore, since this was the first time an Indian had been decapitated across the IB (along the 192km stretch that Pakistan refers to as the WB), this calls for a strong BSF retaliation, whicvh will take place probably after the UNGA session is concluded by this month’s end. By October, however, Pakistan will commence its efforts to infiltrate as many terrorists as possible before it starts snowing in J & K, and that should be the time when the IA ought to undertake some major tactical offensives along the LoC aimed at capturing some vital pieces of real estate, since by then both the US & Afghanistan will be pressurizing India to do so. Already the rumblings are now being heard:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/afghanistan-ambassador-to-india-quits/article24989630.ece

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/seeking-a-managed-exit/article25010407.ece?homepage=true

And India too needs to take some vital steps aimed at cleaning the messy domestic political situation inside J & K, which is actually the doing of both the NC & PDP, as exposed here:

https://www.firstpost.com/india/jammu-and-kashmir-local-body-polls-panchayati-raj-institutions-fail-to-take-wing-locals-blame-political-interference-5233421.html

https://www.firstpost.com/india/jammu-and-kashmir-local-body-polls-part-ii-few-women-seek-office-in-face-of-violence-from-militants-govt-apathy-5239941.html

In fact, it is years of neglect & apathy that is causing all the discontent among the local populace of J & K. Had this hurdle been overcome earlier, then no Pakistani terrorist could have found safe sanctuary anywhere within J & K. And this in turn would have allowed the IA to fully focus on various offensive military options all across the LoC.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJESH MISHRA: If I were in NaMo’s place, then I would wait till the CAG’s audit report on the Rafale deal is oput, following which I would sue the Pappu for defamation. And also ask the pappu how the hell can he mobilize the money reqd for undertaking the Kailash-mansarovar yatra when he is clearly unemployed & his party is almost financially bankrupt. I would also have accused the INC of compromising the copuntry’s national security interests by cancelling the AW-101 deal at a time when no one in the world had presented any clinching proof/evidence in any court-of-law in this world about the prevalence of any corrupt practice WRT AW-101 contract. But obviously the ‘netas’ of the BJP are equally to blame for not arguing their case the lines that I have, so they fully deserve to be in the shithole as well. As for Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi, his current wife is enough to give him sleepless nights if this is to be believed:

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/imran-khan-life-marriage-pakistan-jinn-politics-5369116/

Furthermore, he will be well-advised to do all the preaching about the establishment of ‘Riyaasat-e-Medina’ to his country’s all-weather friend China, which is doing exactly the opposite in Xinjiang and also in the rest of China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j3izkMHXtE

And this is clinching proof of Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi’s pathetic upbringing & pedigree:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/in-one-tweet-imran-closes-all-diplomatic-doors-for-now/articleshow/65917634.cms

To DASHU: More evidence of self-righteous & clueless ‘patrakaars’ of Pakistan sharing their conspiracy theories:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2kSnV9_TfU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iiNYsMAMWo

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,
Thanks of course, but the Rafale DPSAs and other 114 MMRCAs are required within 5 years. it is only possible to make, just maybe, Tejas Mk1As with the needed design changes. Period. How do you accelerate LCA Mk2 / MWF, if we do not even have a design yet, forget FSED rollout. Flight certification is another story altogether. The IAF probably needs to deploy the MMRCAs/DPSAs by 2025 or 2028. How will the Mark 2 be available in numbers by then? It is logical to procure F16s or Rafales and abandon the MWF/LCAMk2. There is always the AMCA to be developed and the LCA Mk1A could be optimised and developed further aa new technology and miniaturisation of equipment happens. The UCAV/AURA/Ghatak/Unmanned LCA and even a Naval Combat aircraft need to be developed and the timelines for them is feasible.
Please explain, as I am not exactly convinced about a LCAMK2/MWF even though you had made a post of it some months ago. The MWFs time has gone. It is too late. Infact, the LCA Mk1A doesn't have a FSED yet. The LCA Mk2 / MWF has to be abandoned.
Looking forward to your post on our procurement and geopolitical situation with Pak as promised. Thanks again, Sir. kindly ignore my previous post on same matter.

Ankit Singh said...

"Such a situation can only be turned around IF the Tejas Mk.1A is developed the way it ought to be instead of the mess it is now,"
Should HAL go development in blocks. for example: block 1, block 2, etc

mohan said...

prasun sir,
1.why it taking long time to induct dhanush howitzer gun in IA?
2.do you think Mod have money to pursue both 114 mrca and tejas mk2 by 2023?
if yes what could be the aircraft for 114 mrca?

rad said...

hi prasun
it pains one to realize that even after putting the 7+ IRNSS sats in orbit they are unable to make a gps chipset for mobile phones and other applications.
where lies the problem ?. is it a discord between some people in the system who are responsible for this criminal negligence?

after all we have no FAB in our country , but what stops them from designing one even before the sats were launched?

How did taiwan get a a fab factory? how did china get a fab factory?

why cant we go all out to spend billions to make a fab factory as it is crucial to the country in the long run.

Is the armed forces at least getting the rewards of the GPS system?

have they debugged the IRNSS system and finished calibration??

This brings me to a question , where are the AWACS AESA TRX modules made though we designed them, who made them and where ? especially as we are going in a big way to make all our future radars AESA.

is it feasible to make an air to air or SAM missile AESA radar seeker like the one on the barak as we seem to have successfully made the x band module fro the UTTAM radar ?

Harsh said...

Sir, when we can expect the CAG review of rafale deal to come out? Bcoz that's the only way now to shut the mouth of congis.

Enigma said...

What are those vital pieces of real estate according to you sir?Haji Pir Pass?Muzaffarabad-Kel road?Khaplu?Skardu?

Srinivasa Nanduri said...

Hi Prasun,

I am amused by the hysterical response by Pak media. Talks being agreed to and being called off are our mistakes, why is Pakistan reacting like it lost a golden opportunity. What was Their true motive

Where does China fit into all this. Now Pakistanis are talking of isolating india. With Saudis ready to put 10 billion dollars as parking money and agree to join cpec, Pakistanis are ecstatic, don't think that will happen but still they think they are out of woods economically.The reality that cpec or bri in South Asia can be a successful only if india joins the project has not yet sunk into thier or thier Chinese masters heads I guess. And what is this SAARC minus India and plus China.

Also on mwf, is the design finalised. Will it become reality.

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri

Ved said...

Hi Prasun,

If the CAG report comes in favour of the Rafale deal can we expect more orders of Rafale? If yes, will it be G2G or will they be assembled at DRAL?

Or do you suggest any other possibility for filling the number gap?

DAshu said...

Maybe a still remaining bullet inside him reminding him and others not to dare to talk the truth.

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Prasun Da,

1. In the previous thread you were explaining to some fellow posters the tremendous amount of power/leverage that UK has. Is it true that even today the UK indirectly controls India's politics via Indian collaborators across party lines & can even balkanize India as/when it wants ?

2. Is it true that during the days of the Cold War both the US & USSR developed "Super Soldiers" ? In other words, Men/Soldiers whose physical & mental faculties had been greatly enhanced by some experiments ?

Thanks,

Sujoy

bhoutik said...

Re: IK Niazi's comments on Modi - amazes me that tribal central asian looking people like this guy and saif ali from bollywood, can use language like this (i remember saif talking about eugenics & suggesting his position was because of it). Indians need to stop being so polite & remind them that they are akin to debris brought over by the floodwaters of history that swept over their own lands and landed them on ours.

Buddha said...

For the new readers ...
http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2011/09/prahaar-nlos-bsm-explained.html?m=1

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2011/07/more-details-emerge-about-prahaar.html?m=1
Buddha...

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ANKIT SINGH: You’re missing the point, which is it is not about building/producing the Tejas Mk.1 in different blocks, but about getting the design right, which is ADA’s responsibility.

To MOHAN: 1) The Dhanush-45 is already under series-production for 114 units. 2) No way. It can’t be both. So, either choose the Tejas Mk.1A or go for the 114 imported-design MRCAs. And the cheapest available imported design MRCA right now is the F-16 Block-70.

To RAD: FABs in Taiwan wre originally established by MNCs from the Silicon valley. Taiwan only provided the optimal investment climate for these MNCs to set up ship there, just as Japan & the RoK had done earlier. In India, the mindset of the ‘neta’ decision-makers itself has been wrong for the past 65 years & that’s why these idiots continue to believe that licenced-production of combat aircraft leads to self-reliance! Now all eyes are on the forthcoming launch of the GSAT-7A for the IAF, following which both the IN & IAF will be able to use IRNSS for obtaining precise navigational coordinates while the GSAT-7 & GSAT-7A will enable both to operate Avenger-type UAVs over long distances through SATCOM data-links. AESA TRMMs are built by both BEL & Astra Microwave.

To HARSH: LoLz! The report will be out before the 2019 general elections.

To ENIGMA: As far as short-term priorities go, the Haji Pir Pass is of vital importance since that is the route used most of the time for terrorist infiltrations. Later on, the entire PoK should be up for grabs, and Kartarpur & Chicken’s Neck too ought to be included in the list now.

To SRINIVASA NANDURI RAMANUJAM: In my reckoning, the Indian PMO had made up its mind to go ahead with the meeting in New York, but it seems word reportedly came from the US to defer such a meeting & that’s why Sushma Swaraj, who was airborne at that time on the way to New York, was totally unaware of the meeting’s cancellation. This could well be one of the scenarios:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VTBHfmID7Q&t=112s

I had expected this to happen ever since IAKN had made his first post-election podcast in which he boastfully & arrogantly referred to human rights violations inside J & K & not a word about far graver violations inside PoK, FATA & Baluchistan. This was a classic case of living in self-denial, just as he never tires of recalling how Pakistan was prosperous in the 1960s, while conveniently overlooking the fact that prosperity in West Pakistan was due to East Pakistan being treated as a colony! The Indian Foreign Minister MUST highlight asll these points in her speech at the UNGA later this month, & should also this report from pages 41 to 47:

https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/IN/DevelopmentsInKashmirJune2016ToApril2018.pdf

And this as well:

https://dailytimes.com.pk/290078/enforced-disappearances-how-the-state-of-pakistan-has-failed/

The Saudis gave no such investment commitments & it was revealed by the Pak PM himself yesterday in Lahore. So, all in all, this best sums up what today’s Pakistan is all about:

https://twitter.com/KapilMishra_IND/status/1043441019302371328

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VED: Of course. There is just no other option since neither tejas Mk.1A or the proposed LCA-AF Mk.2 can operate as DPSA. And for the Nth time, I’m stating that no 4th-generation MRCA has been, nor will ever be licence-assembled in any other country other than that to which the OEM belongs, simply because it is cost-prohibitive. The Su-30MKI is a 4rd-gen MRCA airframe with some 4th-generation avionics on it. That doesn’t transform the Su-30MKI as a true 4th-gen MRCA.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: 1) Not perhaps in present times. 2) They tried, but were totally unsuccessful.

To BHOUTIK: In my reckoning, the Indian PMO had made up its mind to go ahead with the meeting in New York, but it seems word reportedly came from the US to defer such a meeting & that’s why Sushma Swaraj, who was airborne at that time on the way to New York, was totally unaware of the meeting’s cancellation. This could well be one of the possible scenarios:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VTBHfmID7Q&t=112s


The comms intercepts by Indian agencies that were monitoring the communications channels between the UJC in Muzaffarabad, PoK & their foot-soldiers inside J & K (through which instructions for murdering the J & K Police personnel were relayed) should have, by now, been shared with all P-5 members of the UNSC & hence none of them are expressing any regret for cancellation of the meeting in New York.

I had expected this to happen ever since IAKN had made his first post-election podcast in which he boastfully & arrogantly referred to human rights violations inside J & K & not a word about far graver violations inside PoK, FATA & Baluchistan. This was a classic case of living in self-denial, just as he never tires of recalling how Pakistan was prosperous in the 1960s, while conveniently overlooking the fact that prosperity in West Pakistan was due to East Pakistan being treated as a colony! The Indian Foreign Minister MUST highlight asll these points in her speech at the UNGA later this month, & should also this report from pages 41 to 47:

https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/IN/DevelopmentsInKashmirJune2016ToApril2018.pdf

And this as well:

https://dailytimes.com.pk/290078/enforced-disappearances-how-the-state-of-pakistan-has-failed/

turbojet said...

Hi prasun Da,
I have heard that IAF is dropping it's plan to upgrade engine of SU-30MKI for cost saving purpose as Russia is pushing it to purchase ToT for a newer engine AL-41,instead of upgrading existing AL-31FP,which is a costly affair for IAF. Is this true ?

Don't you think this will weaken SUPER SUKHOI ?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

What is the purpose of Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi's secretive trips to assorted foreign countries? Is the SPG aware of their activities during these trips? Are they cat's paws of one or more foreign power(s)?

Mishra

rad said...

hi prasun
i dont understand how gsat-7 will make irnss better has it also got a gps system?

i thought they had transponders for sat com control etc. what happens when the sat signals are jammed in times of war which china will.

i`ve know that the indian system ie IRNSS has a 2 signal freq for better accuracy ie L band and S band , what are the envisaged accuracy of the desi gps compared to the US.

why are we setting up IRNSS bases in russia? how far has the glonass agreement with russia proceeded ? I believe that is for pure defense purposes and for munitions navigation etc.

we are using the the sigma IN+gps system for all our warships . fighters tanks etc. would it nor be prudent to to collaborate with the french to incorporate our irnss signal as well for better accuracy and anti jamming properties.?

where are the AESA modules fabricated? though designed and built by bel and alpha?

why is the MOD shying away from testing kalyani built Ultalight weight 155mm gun ?

rad said...

hi prasun
the latest ABM test seems t have a IIR seeker ! and that stuff is hightech as to fabricate it for space based applications is hitech . where did it come from ?

how much credit would you give to drdo for having made the missile and tested it successfully

the Prithvi based interceptor looks squat and fat and not sleek like the other missiles?

Is the IIR interceptor part a stand alone module that separates from the mother rocket for interception like the US missiles.?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

The results in Maldives show that the joint opposition leader has won the presidential poll.

This is a great news. It shows the maturity of the Indian diplomatic assessment and its correct assessment of the Maldives situation in the ground.

There were lot of provocation from the Indian opposition who were trolling that Modi government is loosing one by one all neighbours. Some have even trolled him and Sushma Swaraj, saying where is the 56" chaati now.

Some hawkish defense analysts had even suggested a physical force to evict Abdullah Yameen and India help in a free and fair election in Maldives.

But the outcome now looks like the patience and perseverance has won the day. Good assessment from you too. Here is something to learn for the hot-headed impatient folks.

Kane

soi said...

Hello Prasun Da,

A very nice update about PGMs indeed.
Albeit the Rafale deal has gone hot politically now so there are following question I would like know about
1.Since congress has moved to CVC, will there be a investigation by CVC mandatory,or he may reject it?
2.What will be the repercussion of this deal which is touted as "scam" in political arena, I mean will it favour congress in GE 2019 or will it back fire in someway?
3. Does the PM needs to come out and give a clarification?If No, why?
4. How will the Govt justify the 36 number even if there is no financial discrepancies?
5. Why did congress pulled out of tehseen punawala's SC PIL by giving a official notice, Is it afraid of something?
6. Is their any need for setting up of JPC ? Why or Why not?

Thanks again,
Soikot Banerjee

Enigma said...

https://www.oneindia.com/india/to-deal-double-blow-to-pak-not-one-but-many-surgical-strikes-on-the-anvil-2781407.html

Excerpts from the article:"Highly placed sources tell OneIndia that action against Pakistan is round the corner. He said that the action would deal a double blow for Pakistan both along the border as well as in Jammu and Kashmir. The source indicated a series of strikes across the border was an option. When asked if there could be a surgical strike across the border, the source said that this cannot be ruled out. However the difference this time would that the action would be a sustained one.""Security officials say that there is a need for sustained action. The Army and the top brass in the government have already begun discussions on the counter to Pakistan. The source said that it may be more than one surgical strike to keep the pressure on Pakistan continuously""The action would be a time and place of choosing of the Indian Army. Sources say that such an action could be expected sometime after October. The immediate concern for now is the smooth conduct of the urban body and Panchayat elections in the Valley."

So what you said might happen sir.The good news(if this OneIndia article is to believed)is that it will be sustained.


Kishore said...

Hi Prasun, your comments on recent elections in Maldives WRT India pls? Does India/UK/US/EU/China played any role?

buddha said...

Sir with Rahul Gandhi's constant allegation on Rafale, rahul wants to prove himself as main opponent of Modi to gain political mileages before 2K19 election...
How far this gonaa harm congress where common does not know much of defence.
What may be possible outcome of 2K19 election ..Bjp is no good but congress is worse .

Srinivasa Nanduri said...

Hi Prasun,

Thank you for your reply.

On Rafale deal, was watching NDTV, anchor completely switched over to Ajai Shukla the minute retired IAF head said the Rafale deal was a good one and subsequent orders will be 40% cheaper. He was pleading saying politicians don't kill Rafale deal.

NDTV, Caravan, prashant Bhushan and especially Ajai Shukla are in the forefront of this disinformation campaign. No expert kind to the deal is spared. This looks like Bofors redux.

God save India from pappu gang.

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri

Unknown said...

Sir, at least something good is coming out

www.ndtv.com/india-news/rafale-deal-anil-ambanis-firm-was-registered-had-land-near-airport-dassault-defence-1921482#comments_result

Thank God if the cloud settles fast

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

If intentions like capturing territory across the LoC and repeated surgical strikes leak out, do'nt we lose surprise, making such actions all the more difficult to achieve ?

Kritavarma

Satya said...

Hope the decision regarding PoK is made - PM, NSA and RM to join top military commanders conference to discuss prevailing security situation in Kashmir and at loc www.dailyexcelsior.com/pm-dm-nsa-join-top-military-comdrs-conference-sept-28/

DAshu said...

Interesting talk shows going on these days in Pak with just a mere rhetoric of IA chief.

AMIT BISWAS said...

Buddy I agree with u too...this amai shukla was heard the other day saying on record why didn't govt chose eurofighter considering dassault offer for rafale won't be L1 if HAL is considered along......I don't understand why he never trusts his ex colleagues from air force who negotiated the deal ....I guess bandalbaaz word coined for him is justified

DAshu said...

He made my day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOfcHYQUt-E

AMIT BISWAS said...

Prasun sir Suppose india conducts offensive operations against Pakistan in Haji pir pass, what guarantee is there that it won't take retaliaotry in Chamb jaurian sector to relieve pressure .....

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KRITAVARMA: The LoC is more than 700km long & so far no one has identified any precise location for capture.

To UNKNOWN: It is only the ‘desi patrakaars’ & rank amateurs like Sinha/Shourie/Pappu that are driving everyone else into a tizzy while deliberately overlooking facts that are in plain sight of everyone.

To BUDDHA & SRINIVASA NANDURI RAMANUJAM: LoLz! These clowns always provide comic relief, especially when opening their mouths on matters that are clearly not in their realms of expertise. In reality, the principal reason why HAL was not allowed to licence-manufactire the Rafales was due to Dassault Aviation’s refusal to stand guarantee for HAL’s industrial QC/QA standards. Had HAL been forced to adhere to Dassault Aviation-specified industrial production standards, the total programme costs would have jumped to 4 times than what the GoI & HAL were then expecting. So, when the GoI was informed that HAL could only supply licence-built Rafales for which Dassault Aviation had no product liability, this immediately sent alarm bells ringing within IAF HQ, since the IAF has over the past 4 decades suffered enormously due to ALL HAL licence-produced aircraft not being covered by the OEM’s product liability clauses. Hence, the IAF did not want to take any chances with the Rafales, which would become the most expensive combat aircraft ever to be acquired by the IAF & therefore it would be highly embarrassing if any licence-built Rafale were to crash in future due to equipment malfunctions that would eventually be attributed to HAL’s faulty industrial QA/QC procedures. Consequently, the GoI had no choice but to procure the Rafales off-the-shelf & insist on 50% indirect industrial offsets from the French OEMs. The issue of product liability & the terrible consequences of hardware not being subject to product liability coverage from the OEMs is not at all understood by any of these ‘desi’ headless chickens, but it was all authoritatively explained here:

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/rafale-deal-reliance-france-defence-air-force-dont-ground-the-sukhoi-jaguar-mirage-5334483/

In fact, the tables can easily be turned against the Pappu & his INC party by proving through declassified MoD documents that all the HS-748 Avros, Gnats, MiGs, Jaguars, Hawk Mk.132s, Su-30MKIs & even the Do-228s that have been licence-built by HAL over the past decades & continue to be licence-built are ALL not subject to the OEM’s product liability terms & conditions, which have always resulted in serious & life-threatening flight safety-related incidents taking place since the late 1960s.

To KISHORE: Not China, but the others did play significant roles.

To SOI: 1) The GoI’s Rules of Business clearly state that BEFORE any contract goes to the CCNS for approval, the CVC has to give its approval. Hence, CVC had approved of contract signature in September 2016 itself. Clearly the INC & its Pappu are unaware of such govt procedures & due process. 2) Nothing at all. No one now is attacking the Rafale’s procurement. Instead, the goalposts have now moved to attack only the industrial offsets contracts awarded to the Dassault-Reliance Aerospace JV. 3) What for? Just wait for the CAG’s audit report to become public next year. Meanwhile, let the dogs keep barking. 4) What is there for any govt to justify when the IAF itself has provided all the justifi8cations so far & no one has questioned them? 5) Bercause the INC knows only too well that there is no legal case whatsoever. 6) What for? Just so that these idiotic MPs can claim extra perks over & above their monthly salaries?

soi said...

Prasun Da,
1.Can we expect the CAG report to be out before 2019 Elections?
2.Also, how does one justify the 36 jets instead of 126?
3.Will this deal work as Election tool(both upcoming state and General) for Rahul Gandhi, and will it be successful?

Soikot Banerjee.

Ankit Singh said...

Prasun da,
Who is Sanjay Bhandari, his has popped up alot of times.
https://twitter.com/ProcashPro/status/1044228833740652545
this above twitter talks about him in detail, how much truth in this.

Ankit Singh said...

"You’re missing the point, which is it is not about building/producing the Tejas Mk.1 in different blocks, but about getting the design right, which is ADA’s responsibility."
I remember you once shared CEMILAC's report in which they suggested a lot of design tweaks to improve performance, it was in 2008.
How many of those design tweaks have been implemented till now, if they aren't implemented what is the reason.

kattayikonan said...

Does reliance dessault joint venture produce any components of 36 jets that India orderd?

Anonymous said...

VMT Prasunda.

I however feel that Pappu should not just be viewed as a comedian. He appears to be a frontman for many foreign powers that want to run our country by proxy. This could be the only explanation of his repeated trips abroad without SPG cover. As I see it, Pappu and his gang constitute a security threat to the country. In the unfortunate event that they actually come to power, unilateral nuclear dismarmament of our country may well happen.

Kritavarma.

Enigma said...

Hello sir.Please forgive me if this is a stupid question.After India gets PoK back,should it consider buying the Wakhan Corridor from Afghanistan?Wakhan Corridor is very important for us.If we buy the Wakhan Corridor,we will have a border with a Central Asian country(Tajikistan).Plus,it will counter any nefarious designs that China and Pakistan may have on this very important piece of land(I remember you saying once that China wants to cut off India(via PoK) so that India can't go to Afghanistan's assistance in case China wants to conquer the Wakhan Corridor).So once we get back PoK,buying the Wakhan Corridor from Afghanistan would benefit us a lot right?

Varun said...

Will it not be wise for us to let the current scenario in J&K continue and initiate a limited war only after 1) undertaking national security reforms 2) structuring the armed forces 3) some crucial weapon systems like Rafale, MRSAM etc to arrive

Rajesh Mishra said...

The opposition MahaThugBandhan (The great alliance of the Thugs) is being led by a dubious personality. I suspect that only Pakistan and China are utterly going to like him. Is this possible? Can this be a big danger? Kindly reply.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: I never stated anything about GSAT-7A making IRNSS better. Instead, it is all about using the capabilities of the two by unitary platforms & weapons. China still does not have the means to jam the transponders of comms satellite. Only the US has such a capability, while Russia is also trying hard to achieve this capability. There are no IRNSS bases in either Russia or any other country. They are monitoring stations to plot their orbits. Neither Navstar, nor Glonass, is available with mil-spec Py code accuracy for India. Kalyani’s UFH is still under development. Which BMD test? Has any test taken place over the last 72 hours?

To DASHU:This was the interview which proved beyond any doubt that IAKN is a stooge of the PA & is always parroting the PA’s script WRT relations with India, but he unfortunately was ‘ambushed’ by the subsequent questions from the interviewer from Al Arabia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od8iJL9PC2A&t=45s

Also, do read this book: https://harpercollins.co.in/book/between-the-great-divide/

To AMIT BISWAS: That’s because he is destined to become a sad & pathetic victim of his own hubris! Over the past 48 hours, he has repeatedly stated that only licenced-production of foreign aircraft can teach India to develop homegrown MRCAs, & that indirect industrial offsets don’t create any jobs in India. However, he fails to produce any evidence about any country that has to date embarked upon the licenced-production of 4th-gen MRCAs like the Rafale or EF-2000, or for that matter even the current versions of the F-15 now being produced by Boeing. And that’s because he, along with the likes of Sinha/Shourie/Bhushan etc etc have all bought the now-descredited ‘mantra’ of “licenced-production leads to achieving self-reliance” lock-stock-barrel. And it was this very false notion that was being force-fed by the UPA-1/2 govts & its VERY FIRST casualty was Shin Meywa’s proposal for exporting the US-2A amphibian to India. We all know what came of that proposal & why no one talks abiout it any morte. Similarly, it was A K Antony that was dangerously toying with the idea of inviting Eurofighter GmbH for a new round of negotiations back in 2012 & he had even sounded a few select bunch of Delhi-based journalists about it back then. But when an alarmed IAF HQ awrned the then GoI that such a move will not only discredit the IAF’s competitive evaluations process but will also reduce India to the world’s laughing stock, the then GoI had to back off.

To AMIT BISWAS: So let there be retaliatory actions in that sector. The IA now has the K-9 Vajra SPHs & enough Pinaka-1 & Smerch-M MBRLs to repel such an onslaught.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SOI: 1) Yes. 2) It costs four times more to procure 126 Rafales than the 36 Rafales. 3) No one is against the deal. Instead, the focus of the INC now is only the industrial offsets issue. But that too was nullified yesterday by the IAF here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAWc-J6dtIo

To ANKIT SINGH: This is who he is:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/the-rise-and-fall-of-arms-consultant-sanjay-bhandari-over-alleged-property-links-with-robert-vadra/articleshow/52544881.cms

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/income-tax-officials-zero-in-on-rapidly-growing-defence-dealer/story-U1dD76lCxE7wVuCtCQlr8I.html

https://www.business-standard.com/article/press-releases/offset-india-solutions-launches-global-defence-offset-review-magazine-111021400092_1.html

The most critical modifications suggested by CEMILAC were NEVER carried out, like the extension of the nose-section. The greatest deficiencies were in the arena of avionics LRUs positioning, because when ADA was designing the Tejas Mk.1, it never occurred to anyone in ADA that the design in order to be optimized had to ensure that the aircraft had to have had a low direct operating costs per flying hour & very low maintenance man-hours per flying hour. This was officially admitted by the then ADA Director in February 2013 at a Aero India seminar.

To KATTAYIKONAN: No one in this world produces even a nut & bolt for only 36 aircraft.

To ENIGMA: Why should India eye the Wakhan Corridor for a buyout when Afghanistan has already offered it as a transit corridor? China has no intention whatsoever to lay its hands on this Corridor.

Unknown said...

@Enigma the question whether india will take PoK or not is the mother of all questions. i doubt PoK will be taken as the political leadership is on defensive in mindset. hence to further its defensive commitment some operations would be condiucted for merely allowing a reasonably peaceful panchayat election. that all what will be done in 2018. Prasoon da may advise in case he differs.

regards

kunal

rad said...


hi prasun
why are we going in for the NASAMS air defense system when we already have the spider system>?
Is it to placate the US?.

PSe give us dope on the current situation of the IRNSS gps system ? what is the delay in hand held desi GPS being marketed.? Any country would jump at the commercial viability a apart from India.
Taiwan has a robust GPS manufacturing industry as garmin and other players source from there.
We can always ask them for the expertise which they will give and ask them to set shop in India if there are hurdles in india? All they need is a good environment for business, which this gov can offer.

Pinkal Shah said...



Dear Sir,

Greetings of the day!!

I am re-posting my query from previous thread as below

1. Your Rebuttal on Dr. Ashley Tellis papper on IAF Air Power and additional information on Black Star SSTO as well as Flux-Liner ARV as well as your assessment & informed opinion between Indian Navy & PLA Navy.

2. Waiting for the thread on Russian Black Projects or erstwhile USSR in response to US black projects.

Why does the US continue to invest so much money in conventional 5/6th gen fighters and stealth warships and aircraft carriers when as per you they have successfully developed so many black global Recon/Strike near invisible/invincible military platforms like TR-3A, bomber interceptor like switchbade, hypersonic aircraft like SR-75 Penetrator, Thunderdart, AV-6 Astra, and the nuclear powered SR-3B having indefinite loiter time with strike at will capability? Why does US still fear the power projections of China & Russia ?

Else please provide some links and articles for the better understanding of the above subjects

Thanking you in anticipation,

Regards,
Pinkal Shah

Anonymous said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPclFZcdbj0
Rear Admiral Sanjay Misra DG Naval Armament Inspection of Indian Navy Addressing SIDM Annual Session
Nice discussion....Looking forward for the next one.
Buddha

Buddha said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PZv9ATQYaQs
Speech of POTUS seems to very sharp and pointed.
A true businessman attitude
Buddha

Rajdeep said...

Hi Prasun,

1) For the Astra-MK2: Is it going to be the same length as the current one with a thicker booster like the RVV-AE-ZRK? Are there any plans to have IR AAMs from DRDO?

2) Coming to the QR-SAM : How exactly is the number of launch tubes per firing unit optimized. It seems to be 6 for the QR-SAM. But the Spyder has 4, VL-Mica/Land Ceptor has 8 ...
Speaking of the VL-Mica , Land Ceptor would the QR-SAM have roughly similar performance?

3) Lastly I remember comments from you quite a while back, that for DPSAs one would prefer twin engine aircrafts. So how does the F-35 fit into this role. Is it that engines for 5th generation fighters have a significantly lower failure rate? It seems Israel has been trying stuff out:https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/109172/khamenei-fires-air-force-chief-over-israeli-f-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/

cheers and thanks,
Rajdeep

Ankit Singh said...

The nose extension would have solved a lot of problems, LCA would have been with an IRST or may be the refueling probe placement would have improved.
Would have helped with extra space in the aircraft, Isn't it?

Unknown said...

Prasun Sir,
Whats ur opinion on following:-

https://southfront.org/field-experiences-spike-atgm-system/

why india is still acquiring spike despite of hot weather failures as mentioned in above?

Recent news also suggest a similar reason for spike deal being stuck

ANMOL

Enigma said...

Kunal bhai,I just saw your comment.I hope that is not the case.I know that Bold is generally not a word that is associated with our politicians but you never know.This time could be different.I remember Prasun sir saying that when India attacks PoK,it will not be because our leaders suddenly became bold but because of a hard push by America.In the video that Prasun sir shared a couple of days ago,Tariq Pirzada thinks that the reason behind India's "dhamki"is that America has said that India can achieve it's objectives with a short and quick war. Also,our Army Chief gave another interview (https://twitter.com/sudhirchaudhary/status/1044617438996951041) in which he said that there are different type of measures that can be taken and they doesn't necessarily have to be surgical strikes and he also said that they won't allow this to happen year after year and said that if Pakistan doesn't change it's behaviour,India will be forced to take steps that will force it to change it's behaviour.Plus,some more surgical strikes photos were released by ANI today(attempt to demoralize the enemy before the big moment?).Ever since Prasun sir said in 2015 that Pak would be denuclearized and India would get back PoK in 2018,I have been waiting for 2018.I just hope that our leaders display sagacity and do the right thing.We have suffered long enough.The people of PoK have suffered even more than we have.I hope that they get reunited with India.I too really want to visit beautiful places in PoK like Skardu,Neelum Valley,Fairy Meadows,Altit Fort,etc.I am usually not the most optimistic person but I have a hunch that it will be different this time and that something big is coming up(in November maybe?).Let us hope for the best Kunal bhai.
Regards,
Enigma.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: What NASAMS? What BMD test on 23-9-2018? Both of them are FAKE NEWS being peddled nowadays even by state-owned broadcast TV channels like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLrHT_XLmwc

Everything about the IRNSS can be found in ISRO’s website. Taiwan only licence-assembles GPS locators of Garmin. No Taiwanese company manufacturers its own homegrown GPS locator.

Excellent discussion on amphiobians for India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgYMC7L0c1s

To RAFALE MRCA: 1) No. Astra Mk.2 will be medium-range BVRAAM, not LRAAM. 2) No of canisters reqd depends on the deployment pattern. It can be 4, 6 or even 8. 3) F-35 isn’t a DPSA. It is a tactical MRCA. And that Iran-related news is FAKE.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/mod-official-put-on-record-objections-to-36-rafale-deal-5376340/

A MoD that can have a clueless/stupid Joint Secretary & Acquisitions Manager (Air) like this can only flounder in any procurements-related process! How can Eurofighter GmbH’s reduced price offer of 2014 can even be entertained when the MoD & IAF had selected the Rafale was the competition’s winner back in January 2012! It is like stating that the L-1 selection process was fine until the winner’s announcement, but after that there was something wrong with the methodology used for selecting someone as the L-1 winner. Had this formula of the MoD under A K Antony’s reign as RM been adopted, no one else in the world would have ever responded to India’s competitive evaluations processes!

To ANKIT SINGH: Till now, HAL has not yet issued any RFP that calls for new cockpit suite & IRST sensor for the Tejas Mk.1A. That in itself shows how amateurish the entire Tejas Mk.1A’s developmental effort continues to be. Meanwhile, this ‘desi bandalbaaz’ who has already issued with a ‘cease & desist’ legal notice by reliance, continues to persist with the dessimination of mischievous disinformation:

https://www.business-standard.com/article/defence/rnaval-s-eligibility-question-holds-up-warship-orders-worth-rs-630-bn-118092601399_1.html

Obviously it has not yet registered in his mind that the reason why the five NOPVs haven’t been delivered as yet by RNAV is BECAUSE the on-board combat management system (CMS) & its related sub-systems have NOT YET been integrated by its OEM, BEL, even though the CMS to be installed is the same one as those on the GSL-built six NOPVs! So how can RNAV be blamed for BEL’s performance lapses? Yellow journalism of the worst kind is being practiced nowadays.

To ANMOL: India is NOT acquiring the Spike-MR or Spike-LR. Only 1.5km-range shoulder-launched Spike-SRs have been procured for bunker-bursting operations.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Plight of Uyghurs & Kazakhs in Xinjiang:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DazSCxfUdE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa9w3wUWWAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77pi0v9sndA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swCf6Z5REwI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPyKErEF9f0

To ASHISH GAUTAM: Get updated on developments in India's North East:

https://www.northeasttoday.in/three-militants-of-pla-get-killed-in-accidental-ied-blast-in-indo-myanmar-border/

https://www.northeasttoday.in/assam-rifles-nabs-three-ultras-of-nscnk/

https://twitter.com/official_dgar/status/1044182310499876867

https://twitter.com/easterncomd/status/1043207320199561216

https://twitter.com/easterncomd/status/1041030887213686784

https://twitter.com/easterncomd/status/1042723503235981312

https://www.northeasttoday.in/railways-spending-rs-9000-cr-on-43-northeast-projects-rajen-gohain/

Unknown said...

i really love your way of writing @ Enigma. you are a great romantacist. hell you will keep your girlfriend alwyas happy. i would love to meet you in PoK once it becomes part of india. will join you in Delhi for onward journey. Prasoon can also come along. i cant afford a business/first class ticket for him, but would definately put in my money for an economy class subject to his approval though. Hell i am sure if prasoon is coming, all those on this blog would also love to meet him in PoK. :)

Love and best wishes

kunal

Buddha said...

https://theprint.in/opinion/our-harbours-may-be-vulnerable-for-20-years-and-indian-navy-cant-do-much/124246/
Really a matter of concern......
2. Why Indian is still insists on Tejas MK1A
While it is more costly then Su30MKI
I feel it is better to produce Tejas Lead in fighter with ground attack capability and concentrate in full throttle to develop better potent Tejas MK2

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To UNKNOWN: When either you or Enigma set foot there, it won't be PoK anymore, but it will be the liberated part of J & K. Chances are that I will be there long before you two can make it there. For, way too many things are happening there that are far above the heads of the average Indian citizen, such as this:

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/283100.pdf

BTW, for the first time ever, this report has mentioned J & K as being a state of India, & not India-administered J & K or a disputed territory, as used to be the case before in various previous reports of the US State Dept. The first US entity to do such a change was the CIA's Annual factbook back in the previous decade. So, romaticism apart, let's stick to realism while making practical assessments. Meanwhile, here is something interesting:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/amid-controversy-dral-workers-quietly-make-plane-nose-cones/articleshow/65987317.cms

As for harbours, yes, GRP-hulled MCMVs are the need of the hour to keep both the navigation channels & SLOCs open for maritime traffic. Mu suggestion is to buy off surplus Avenger-class GRP-hulled MCMVs from the US Navy ASAP. This offer was made to India way back in 2007.

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

With reference to your statement related twice about 'WHAT BMD TEST', the real culprit is of course Mr.Hemant Kumar Rout aka the Panwala journo from the yellow Rag the IndiAn Express with his initial tweet about a night time BMD test of the PDV on Sunday which was taken up, printed and broadcast without verification by that rag IE and blindly by others. This, even though, there was no statement by DRDO or authorised press release. Infact, though I pointed out tot him the same day,that it could have been the Pralay the SRBM version of the PDV which might have been tested a few days after Prahar, the TBM version of AAD. There is no statement from DRDO to that effect either although there was speculation about NOTAMs etc. However, the test of the Prahar TBM and Astra AAM have been confirmed officially. There has been no similar statement either about PDV or Pralay SRBM. Could you elaborate here or explain in detail about category and roles of Prahar and Pralay?

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

I came across these 2 items related to USA views, regarding Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/pakistans-catch-22-moment/

https://www.stripes.com/news/us-threats-haven-t-led-pakistan-to-restrict-taliban-report-says-1.549303

They both, especially the stripes one talks about trying to give India much much greater say in Afghanistan and buy -in. What does that mean for us? How do you see the direction of the region going?

RAT

Unknown said...

1.Sir I am getting some news that there is there is unusual deployments of IA along Pak. Border,precisely a division and artillery. What's going on???
2.Do you think that taliban is winning in Afghanistan? I mean,there are several news reports that causality ratio is pretty bad on ANA side.Almost daily somewhat like 40 soldiers are being attacked. What's negative for India in all this???
Thanks sirji.

Harsh said...

Sir, I am sinking in anxiety day after day. Our media is silent about LOC build-up but various Pakistanis on Twitter and their media is admitting indian build-up in some sectors of Loc. Movement of heavy artillery on indian side is being reported. Is it really coming?? On a scale of 0-100%....what's the chance??

Rajdeep said...

Hi Prasun,

Thanks for the previous set of replies.

1) What kind of seeker will go on-board the the two versions of the SAAW. I don't think you have discussed this earlier.

2) Is there any interest or need for a SPEAR3 like missile for the IAF.

3) Is there any thought/need for a navalized version of NAG/SANT for use from OPVs/Oil rigs against small crafts

4) Coming to the NG-ARM will it have both a passing anti-radiation homing seeker + a mmW seeker?

Cheers,
Rajdeep

Rajesh Mishra said...

India has not procured enough artillery after Bofors. Can India manage against Pakistan at POK (inclusive of G&B) within a few months with the available guns. Thanx!

Kishore said...

1. what do you think of trumps import tax on chinese? chinese position? and arrival of Clothing Robotics where the clothing manufacturing may come/go back to western countries? I guess Bangladesh would be the biggest loser in the next 10 yrs. also alon with India With Robotic Process Automation and backed by AI and Machine Learning as it removes most of the back office operations back to western world.
So the service outsourcing and Manufacturing oursourcing countries will be biggest losers in the next 10 yrs. India, Bangladesh, and China will be prime losers I guess. But WRT India we are still in a better position as our Industry can still depend on large population as market and we never were export oriented manufacturers .
your thoughts on this?

2. does brexit happen? in what form?

Thanks.

Buddha said...

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/something-big-has-happened-says-rajnath-singh-on-surgical-strike-anniv-eve/articleshow/65999832.cms
Has shelling been started ?
Buddha

capricorn said...

prasunda,
what is latest news on s400?

Chanakya Chatterjee said...

Prasun
what's wrong with this fool
Helping the Chinese make propaganda
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/09/modi-plays-politics-with-indian-army.html?m=1

AMIT BISWAS said...

I am quoting from IE " The note by JS & AM (Air) also pointed to the fact that EADS, Germany, the maker of Eurofighter — the second aircraft which had qualified in the IAF trials — had offered a 20 per cent discount on its bid price to the Indian government in July 2014.

The note argued that a similar 20 per cent cut should be applied for rates in the case of 36 Rafale aircraft as a competitor was offering that discount.Another observation in the note referred to the fact that the fleet of the IAF consisted of the Russian Sukhoi Su-30 MKI, which were being manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in India.

The note said that the IAF could get more Sukhoi aircraft from HAL for the same amount. "

What a dumbass quality IAS officers are manning the MOD. Is he even qualified to understand the differences between sukhoi and rafale....what an irony so called most brilliant people in the country called IAS officers doesn't even know how to differentiate between solicited and unsolicited offer....what's you take on such idiotic dissent notes sir

soi said...

[http://idrw.org/us-made-rifle-uae-carbine-to-equip-indian-army-soldiers/]

1.Your views on this procurement?
2. Is OFB's 7.62*51 rejected?
3. If not how many are to be purchased from OFB finally?
4. Will JVPC be considered for army in future?
5.If not who are going to use them and what is the estimated quantity?

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

Just wanted to share this with you. Centre for Time at the University of Sydney says Past, present, future exist simultaneously

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/a-controversial-theory-claims-present-past-and-future-exist-at-the-same-time?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral

I'm not sure if Hindu Shastras, Vedas have anything to say about this, but nonetheless this is quite fascinating.

Regards,

VIKRAM

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

dada I remember that once there was some leak of radioactive material from Pak and there was an operation by US on that consignment, can u point to that operation

Ayush said...

Prasun da, is your prediction coming true? This OneIndia report claims that IA is planning to carry sustained military strikes across LOC and IB sometime after Oct https://www.oneindia.com/india/to-deal-double-blow-to-pak-not-one-but-many-surgical-strikes-on-the-anvil-2781407.html

Ashish Gautam said...

Thank u sir for nortN East mei ho rhi gatividihio ki jankari ke liye.
Lekin abi bhi mujhe smjh nai a rha ki vha camp hebron Jaisi jgho pe airstrikes krke unko destroy q nai Kia jata... In chindi choro Ko pkdne se kya deep effective hoga.... 😏😏
(2) sir I remember once I asked you about KALI n u gave me link to its basic information page n told it's for entriely different purpose.
My question is that using practically working principles of air early warning systems in sufficient qty n technology n deploying air defence techniques if one employes Kali kinda linear injector for burning onboard electronics of incoming missiles etc do u think such a machine-system mechanism will work???
If yes then please tell me how far will it be able to strike it's target.??
Am asking coz I see dangerously advanced radio electronics and Kali kinda weapons as future of warfare. And I don't have any idea about its effectiveness in practical situations. Since u r in this Field I hope u can answer my these queries.

DAshu said...

This Qureshi fella gave a good speech in UNGA, mere fact that he re-iterated the LoC aggression and its consequence in PA retaliation, gave clear clue that even they are also expecting the PoK liberation operation very soon.

Enigma said...

Sir,missing your insights since the past 2 days.Are you on a secret mission at the LoC or something?A lot has happened in the last 3-4 days:
1)Rajnath Singh said on the 28th that India had given a befitting reply 2-3 days back(25th or 26th).
2)Pakistanis saying(since the 28th) that there has been a big military build up by India at the LoC.
3)Donald Trump praising India(“There is India, a free society (of) over a billion people, successfully lifting countless millions out of poverty and into the middle class,”) and PM Modi("I love India, give my regards to my friend PM (Narendra) Modi,")
4)Speeches of Sushma Swaraj and Shah Mehmood Qureshi at the UN.
Would love to read your comments on these things.
Regards,
Enigma.

AMIT BISWAS said...

Silence of prasun sir is indicating daal me kuch kaala hain

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AMIT BISWAS: In black ops & theatre recce ops, there is only ‘Kaala hi Kaaka’. Nopr can one expect an IAS officer posted yesterday in the Agriculture or Textiles Ministry to become conversant with military matters the next day. The principal problem here is the lack of domain expertise, which can be acquired only if career specialists, instead of generalists, are employed by the respective ministries.

To SHUBHOMOY CHATTERJEE: That he is a foopl sans any domain expertise is without any doubt. But it is true that this GoI is playing politics with the armed forces, given that it likes to celebrate Vijay Divas or Parakram Parv every other day. What these ‘netas’ & their toads don’t understand is that by celebrating only one event, they are demoralizing & insulting those who had taken part in many other similar operations throughout the 1990s & in the previous decade. One must never be selective when commemorating such events.

To KISHORE: That is a strategic inevitability of the on-going industrial revolution. But industrial robotics is getting more & more attention in India’s manufacturing sector as well. BREXIT will happen but it will be in a considerably diluted form.

To RAJESH MISHRA: There is more than enough in terms of both tube artillery & rocket artillery to take care of the western front. The following thread sheds more light on this issue. Meanwhile, watch these:

IDF’s Tunnel Detection Laboratory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_nygoP1bes

Spike SR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRjGWyKQnsk

Instalaza C-90A LAW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrgHMpmJlmQ

To RAFALE MRCA: 1) The posters of the SAAWs are self-explanatory & reveal everything about their sensors. 2) Loitering PGMs are reqd & they can easily be developed in India now that NAVIC & the GSAT-7 & GSAT-7A satellites are available. 3) Those type of ASMs are best used in an air-launched manner. The LUHs of the IN will be able to launch SANT. 4) Only passive seeker. Any active seeker on NG-ARM will reveal its position & will alert the enemy.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAT, INTOLERANT PERSON & HARSH: That is only needless war-mongering by Pakistan. Any large-scale IA troop movements will take place only in November in preparation for the annual winter-time land exercises from December 2018 till late January 2019. Afghanistan will survive & will not crumble. India will transfer another 3 Mi-25s to Afghanistan in the near future.

To ENIGMA: 1) That was the retaliatory fire-assault involving 81mm & 120mm mortar firing whose videos will be released in the near future. 2) That is only needless war-mongering by them. Any large-scale IA troop movements will take place only in November in preparation for the annual winter-time land exercises from December 2018 till late January 2019. 3) That is known as ‘strategic convergence’. 4) Pakistani speech was as expected & was 100% dr4afted at PA’s GHQ. Indian speech was lacking in hard-hitting & compelling content. For instance, the Indian EAM should have stated that A) Pakistan’s horrific human rights record was evident in 1948 itself after it unilaterally biolated the standstill agreement with princely state of J & K & invaded the latter B) West Pakistan prospered throughout the 1960s due to East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) being treated as a colony. C) The PA needs to be subjected to a war-crimes trial for the atrocities carried out in East Pakistan in 1971. D) For 70 years the people of FATA have been treated as disenfranchised people in their own country. E) The original residents of PoK who are Indian citizens in reality continue to be treated as stateless folks by Pakistan, which is the worst form of human rights violation being perpetrated by Pakistan since 1948.

In other words, the Indian EAM’s speech was high on emotions but had very little as factoids by which to turn the tables against Pakistan.

To ANUP: Just the one I had stated 48 hours ago, i.e. buy the US Navy’s Avenger-class GRP-hulled MCMVs, which are of the same design as that of Intermarine’s Lerichi-class GRP-hulled MCMVs. At least 4 of them can be bought right away from the US Navy.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: That nitwit was just parrotting what had been given to him by the PA’s Rawalpindi-based GHQ. I’m not bothered by that that all, but what was far more disappointing was the Indian EAM’s speech that was devoid of critical content. Here are the 2 speeches:

India https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn0nOCUPm-M

Pakistan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l5bp89mraE

India Reply https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d0HeCkrI70

Pakistan Reply https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qgpwn1XNmg

To ASHISH GAUTAM: Don’t be misled by all kinds of fantasies being rolled out by internet fanboys about KALI.

To AYUSH: This time, everything is ready & good-to-go. To top it all, the Durand Line is also heating up, which will require the NLI units to be redeployed to the west, since they are the only ones who can withstand the high-altitude deployments along the Durand Line. Hence, the PA’s deployment along the LoC is now thinning out even more.

To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVEL: Do watch this Hollywood-type rendition of that operation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjZVaPB6PoM

To VIKRAM GUHA: That’s what ‘relativity’ is all about. Vedas & Shastras & Puranas have nothing to do with it, for they deal with far higher matters of cosmic creation & existence. And that’s precisely why there exists no theocracy-based religion called Hinduism (instead, only sects & cults exist), since theocratic religions deal almost entirely with issues of morality, whereas the ‘Dharma’ code of conduct deals with righteous ethics on a cosmic scale. In fact, the very usage of the term ‘Dharma’ as a translation of the word ‘religion’ is fundamentally wrong. Folks are reqd to ABIDE by Dharma, and not conduct worship of Dharma. The devil/villain who is responsible for this mess-up was the one who wrongly translated such terms from Hindi to English. And we all continue to pay a very heavy price for clinging on to such erroneous translations of yesteryears!

To SOI: Those are baseless rumours. The final selection will not take place until next year.