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Monday, October 9, 2023

Required: ATGM-Armed UGVs & UAS, Not Light Tanks

It is now fairly established that the actions of China’s PLA Ground Forces (PLAGF) in eastern Ladakh in mid-2020 were part of its evolution of an “Active Defence” posture, defined as a focus on “rapid mobility and concentrating offensive capability to destroy an adversary’s retaliatory capacity”. And with the current infrastructure improvements in the region, China has ensured that it can move forces quickly to respond to any perceived threat posed by India. Added to this are the PLAGF’s ongoing efforts to deploy of family of wheeled armoured vehicles and unmanned ground vehicles (UGV) armed with a variety of anti-tank guided-missiles (ATGM) that are now undergoing field-trials along eastern Ladakh. 

It may be recalled that with the completion of development of the Type 96 main battle tank (armed with 125mm smoothbore cannon) by 1998, the mechanised infantry regiments of the PLAGF’s Xinjiang Military Region (XMR) finally began replacing the older one Regiment of Type-59 MBTs and two Regiments of Type-88A MBTs (200 of them, equipped with L7 rifled-bore cannons). Together, they equipped the XMR’s four Divisions, which included the 4 Mechanised Infantry Division (located at Aksu), 6 Mechanised Infantry Division (at Hotan), 8 Mechanised Infantry Division (at Tacheng), the 11 Mechanised Infantry Division (at Urumqi), a Special Operations Brigade (at Kashgar), 2 Artillery Brigade (at Urumqi) and an Air-Defence Brigade (at Urumqi). Till mid-2020, the total mechanised force of the XMR against the Indian Army (IA) was about four armoured Regiments and two Light infantry regiments. The first-line force was about 372 MBTs and 248 infantry combat vehicles (ICV). In addition, reinforcements were available from the Western Theatre Command’s 76 Group Army (at Xining City, Qinghai Province), which included the 17 Heavy Combined-Arms Brigade (using ZTZ-99A MBTs); 56 Light Combined-Arms Brigade; 62 Heavy Combined-Arms Brigade (using ZTZ-99A MBTs); 149 Medium Combined-Arms Brigade (using ZTZ-96A MBTs); 182 Light Combined-Arms Brigade; 76 Special Operations Brigade; 76 Army Air Force Brigade; 76 Artillery Brigade; 76 Air-Defence Brigade; 76 Brigade of Engineering & Chemical Warfare; and the 76 Service Support Brigade. By late 2020, the XMR had established a three-tier MBT system: 39.5-tonne ZTQ-105 MBTs have since equipped two Aksu-based new light high-mobility infantry Brigades (acting as a fast reaction force), while the Hotan-based armoured Brigades have both 44.5-tonne ZTZ-96A and ZTZ-96B MBTs, and the 76 Group Army at the rear has been equipped with 58-tonne ZTZ-99As (see FORCE July 2021, pages 38-39)

However, the PLAGF, since February 2021, concluded that MBTs were not ideal solutions to its “Active Defence” posture, especially in the forbidding heights above 15,000 feet above sea-level, and consequently a considerable effort has been made in the development of high-mobility 4 x 4 armoured vehicles like the DongFeng Mengshi CTL-181A that can be armed with up to four 10km-range AFT-10 Red Arrow-10B ATGM, and 4 x 4 UGVs carrying up to four TL-4 ATGMs. This, in turn, has made the IA examine similar options, some of which are explained below.

In addition, the PLAGF has also deployed in estern Ladakh a family of fire-support weapons all mounted on the  6 x 6 DongFeng Mengshi CTL-181A LAMV chassis, with all these being employed for rapid deployment/quick reaction kinetic actions.

Back in December 2022 the IA had procured a limited number of Estonia-based Milrem Robotics’ Tracked Hybrid Modular Infantry System (THeMIS) tracked UGVs for logistics support missions. THeMIS can be configured to be used for logistics, combat, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) or explosive ordnance disposal (EOD). The UGV has a payload capacity of 750kg with an open architecture. THeMIS is a small, tracked unmanned vehicle that is 7.8 feet long and 3.75 feet high. Hence, it can be fitted with a variety of payloads depending upon the demands of operations. It may be used for normal cargo, mortar or CASEVAC, a platform for rapid evacuation and in a combat role; the payload offerings include cannons, ATGMs, counter-unmanned aerial system (UAS) systems and even loitering munitions. It has a maximum speed of 20kph and a maximum payload capacity of 1,250kg, and is equipped with advanced sensors that allow it to perform tasks with a high degree of autonomy and navigate challenging terrain. It is powered by a hybrid-electric drive system that combines an internal combustion engine with an electric motor, providing a range of up to 15 hours on a single tank of fuel. THeMIS is also designed to be highly rugged and durable, with a reinforced steel and aluminium body that can withstand rough terrain and extreme weather conditions. The latest variant of this UGV comes armed with up to six MBDA-built SL-Brimstone ATGMs.

Germany’s Rheinmetall has developed the Mission Master XT (Extreme Terrain) 4 × 4 UGV that demonstrated its sub-zero capabilities during Arctic mobility trials in Finland last March, navigating icy rivers and climbing slippery banks in -30° Celsius temperatures. Weighing in at 2,217kg, this powerful A-UGV can carry a 1,000kg payload, allowing troops to transport special equipment to hard-to-reach locations. The diesel-powered engine allows it to travel 750km without refuelling, while internal batteries enable up to 6 hours of silent watch operations. The Mission Master XT can be armed wit up to four SL-Brimstone ATGMs.

General Dynamics Land Systems–UK (GDLS–UK) has developed a TRX heavy tracked UGV with SL-Brimstone ATGM launchers, which was unveilled at the DSEI 2023 exhibition held in London between September 12 and 15. This UGV has two pods with four SL-Brimstone ATGMs each and two remotely-operated weapon stations, one with a MAG 7.62mm machine gun and the other with an M2 12.7mm machine gun. A GDLS–UK representative explained that his company is proposing a concept of operations to deploy a scout/recce tracked vehicle with one or more TRX wingmen with ATGMs on its flanks that could target threats identified by the former. GDLS-UK developed the TRX for the US Robotic Combat Vehicle-Medium competition, but GDLS–UK sees the integration of mission fits as dictated by any end-user. This includes intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance (ISTAR), lethality, battlefield engineering, direct-fire and loitering munition mission packages, as well as autonomy, communications systems, and human-machine teaming applications to make an integrated system.

UK-based Hydra Drones Ltd has developed the Hydra-400 new generation of high-altitude heavy-lift drone using hybrid propulsion technology. Compact and portable, the drone can be transported in the back of a Toyota Hilux or similar and assembled ready for flight in six minutes. The drone is powered by single-spool jet turbines, producing 50kg thrust and providing a maximum lift of 400kg. A single-spool core means that all rotating components in the compressor and the gas generator are on one shaft and rotate at the same speed. In contrast, a dual-spool core splits the compressor into two independently spinning rotors that are each powered by a separate gas generator turbine on concentric shafts.

There are also ICV-based solutions available, from which inspiration can be drawn by the IA for developing similar innovative solutions by private industry.
For instance, the Kestrel 8 x 8 APC can be modified to carry packs of HELINA (anti-armour variant with tandem shaped-charge warhead) or Dhruvastra (IAF variant of HELINA but with thermobaric and PCB warheads) or the SANT millimetre-wave guided anti-armour missile. For target acquisition, an electro-hydraulic raisable mast containing the TATA-developed LORROS sensor and the active phased-array antenna now used by the DRDO-developed and BEL-built Counter-UAS system can well be used for target acquisition/engagement.
Such a solution will be far better than the sub-optimally engineered NAMSIS system.

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

Congratulations for a new educational article for the masses, appreciate the common sensical approach and adhering to laws of physics

DAshu said...

now what will happen to project zorawar and its investment?

Soumya Ray said...

10. I enquired about this in 26 Aug 2023 thread: According to DoDP Project Brief of Zorawar LT, COMBAT WEIGHT not to exceed 25+10% Tons i.e. 27.5 tonnes. It wants Active Protection and Passive Protection (ECM, Laser, MAWS); Frontal arc protection of 600mm RHAe & all round STANAG 3; SDR, Multi-format communication; INS+GPS+BMS; P/W ratio > 30HP/tonne; operational range of 300Km in cross country and 450 km on road.

Not to mention fuel & ammunition, how is it supposed to fit all this within Zorawar's combat weight? Has DRDO been able to make a breakthrough in machining and material engineering? Its peers stands no less than 8-10 tonnes heavier.

rad said...

hi prasun

I just hope that your advice is heeded other wise our tanks in ladakh facing the chinese will be missile fodder given the array of long range anti tank missile that they have fielded.

Also pse explain the fuzing mech of the frag 30mm round for swarm defence.

Anonymous said...

What about indigenous systems for these tasks? We seem to have the building blocks(atgm, 4wd, etc) to create our own right?

Soumya Ray said...

11. What is that box-shaped device placed between the pair of 3-Nag ATGMs in the NAMSIS? Is that a radar? Previous iteration had optronics.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: It is a no-brainer, period! Any money spent on such projects is an utter waste of the Indian taxpayer’s money. As to your previous query WRT Gaza, here are some pointers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bopc9EQOEps&t=3s

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/hamas-outmaneuvered-israel-s-surveillance-prowess-by-going-dark-1.1982358

To SOUMYA RAY: All that can fit in, but such a tank will weigh no less than 34 tonnes. One also has to bear in mind that such high-altitudes battlefields exist only for China & India & consequently no readymade foreign solutions are available. For instance, no locally-developed or imported loitering munition to date has been able to attain the service ceilings desired by the IA & IAF, i.e. upwards of 17,000 feet ASL & up to 20,000 feet ASL.

Poland’s Warmate for IA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdio0j37RMc

Service ceiling: 4,500 metres (14,763.78 feet) ASL

The same goes for the SkyStriker Loitering PGM for the IA.

Harop for IAF: Servikce ceiling: 15,000 feet ASL

NewSpace Alfa-S: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQVjyt1CZU0

Still under development.

NewSpace’s ALFA-A, a tube-launched (cannisterised) loitering munition, has a claimed service ceiling of 6km (19,685 feet), a range of 140km and an endurance greater than 60 minutes.

To RAD: 30mm round has impact fuze. Have added extra text & slides above.

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,

Just look the at the finesse! It's just mind blowing. And now compare with our Nilgiri class. Our yard staffs needs training.


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Best regards

asd said...

Dear Prasun,
You always lay stress on common sense. As our defense minister is now in Italy, what can be expected? Some deals with Leonardo! VVIP helicopter deal! Or something else. Please share your view.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SOUMYA RAY: That houses the COMPASS optronic turret for fire-control. Another COMPASS optronic sensor for target search/acquisition is atop the ATGM launcher.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KvKUrtN3Jw/WbXJzpeuUDI/AAAAAAAANck/zQEPeqeNwxwEtEUHziHSo5WbHm4xJucwACLcBGAs/s1600/NAMICA-2%2BTEL-2.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u22ma2htBfk/WbXMDHeYjSI/AAAAAAAANdg/q60vTdZIipIP0Kt1QVFDs3uE7IUqC7FpACLcBGAs/s1600/NAMICA-2%2BTEL%2527s%2BBEL-built%2Bvectronics.jpg

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/embraer-jet-case-after-7-year-probe-cbi-charges-arms-dealer-in-210-million-embraer-jet-case-4470185

Will this affect the IAF's plans for procuring another six EMB-145I Netra Mk.1s?

Ret'd ACM R K S Bhadauria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAm8oW7XHGU

According to him, itwill be better for the IAF to go for 24 Tejas-AF MK.2s per annum instead of procuring another 97 Tejas Mk.1As at a rate of 18 per year.

To ASD: A very interesting & well-researched article:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/callous-colonialists-cost-india-aksai-chin-548364

rad said...


Hi prasun
will this tender for 114 fighters go thru? 12bil$? where is the money?
again why cant we invest that in our? country
the boeing f-15 is a equal to the su 30 , so it does not make sense after the up grade with aesa radar etc , the gripen is like the LCA mk2, that doesnt make sense, rafales order book is full, it may take more than 4 to 5 years to deliver...france is tempting us with a line , but that is going to cost as well

then why cant we do the LCA mk2 . at least wait a little more and reap the benefits?

Soumya Ray said...

Dear Prasun

1. IA is now well poised to acquire 100 more K9 tracked SPHs and ~300 wheeled MGS. I understand their mechanical structure. But, how does one benefit over other? How do these two vary in operational deployment, say in a division of brigade? Are they deployed side-by-side, like a composite regiment? Where does one deploy one of these to compensate for the lack of other?
2. Which MoD department/branch has been anointed as nodal agency to handle military exports, say to Armenia, Philippines, KSA, etc.
3. Do you happen to now anything about LRAShM/LRLACM test? Did the test really happen? Neither MoD nor DRDO issued any press release!!!
4. Do tactical SS-BSM in general decelerate to lower Mach values in the terminal stage to do optical/RF homing?
5. Some BMD/AD system use IIR homing (A-SAT, IRIS-SLM, PDV) while other use RF homing (AAD, PAC-3, SM). What's the background behind such choices? Are they also used in dual manner - RF+IIR?
6. Is A-SAT under control of SFC? Has it been operationalized? Is it a containerized or silo-based or disassembled/fragmentized missile?
7. Many countries are forming partnerships for next gen military product developmnt- FCAS, KF-21, FREMM, Type-26 FFG, F-35, etc. to cut cost. In India's case, there is only diplomatic literature of 'potential' joint development. India has so far singlehandedly taken all product development upon its shoulder. The only green shoot has been AL-UAV. Is it security concern or national ego or tech backwardness or diverged interests?


.....TBC

Soumya Ray said...

8. When foreign diplomatic & military delegation visits India, they are given a treat to their eyes through a parade of equipments - from WLR to Arjun to Tejas as a testament of tech prowess. GoI pompously boasts its export targets in 5-digit crore figures along with reforms & +ve/-ve lists. However, I witness a near-extinct presence of large DPSUs, OFBs & pvt corporates in foreign expos like DSEI, IDEX, MSPO, AUSA, MADEX, ADEX except MKU & Tonbo and few others. Not even Adani showed its Rudram or PGMs or VSHORAD. Not even what is truely indigenous!!!
9. Recently there was 4 concurrent test of Brahmos-ER by IAF & IA, possibly 500+ km range. Only VLS & torpedo-based launch remains from SSGN & SSN. Brahmos-NG has thus far remain elusive, possibly due to miniaturization & material challenges. Do you see this as an approaching end of evolution of BrahMos - Mk.1 to ER?
10. What has been the extent of indigenization in know-why & know-how domains w.r.t. BrahMos
11. China’s nuclear arsenal increased from 350 warheads in January 2022 to 410 in January 2023.....In 2022, India’s tally stood at 160 while Pakistan’s was at 165. https://theprint.in/defence/china-could-have-as-many-nuclear-warheads-as-us-russia-by-turn-of-decade-says-sipri-report/1794237/; https://thebulletin.org/premium/2023-09/pakistan-nuclear-weapons-2023/ -------- How does SIPRI, Bulletin of Atomic Scientits & FAS estimate n-warhead inventory? Intel leak?
12. Another Summer In The South China Sea https://news.usni.org/2023/10/06/another-summer-in-the-south-china-sea-a-guided-tour-of-the-worlds-most-contested-waters. China has swiftly weaponized and militarized the island chains with infra just like Aksai Chin while ASEAN & USA watched haplessly. There is no going back for China in either case. Then, what concrete-point does USA really trying to make now with regular sailing & flying in close proximity?
13 Did you see the Tejas 2023 trailer. It was excruciating for me. You would be aghast to see errors in HUD & HMDS and quality of VFX? Kangana is an Wg. Cmdr. and is using with eyeball to do A2A & A2G combat!! R.S.V.P. prod. team is truly divine :)
14. What is your 5 favorite war/combat movie(s) - any language, any period??


Thank You

Rohit Gill said...

Sir , What is your analysis on disturbance in Middle East ? the way in which Iran is behaving , it is quite aggressive. Israel is a small nation, they lacks strategic depth, if Hizbollah, Hamas with active support from Quds force of IRGC, they might overrun some parts of Israel. What could be American response to this attack? did Iranians achieve some breakthrough in nuclear weapons development?

rad said...


Hi prasun
why is the additional order of LCA mk1a costing us 70 mill apiece. much costlier than the su-30mki?. does bhadurais comment of more lca mk2 will be better is correct , he being a test pilot.?

Nikhil M said...

Sir
Is there any link between Dera Gazi Khan incident and US WC 135 nuclear sniffer plane making rounds of Pakistani costline ?
Regards
Nikhil

Kapil said...

Prasun sir, Are we switching from German to American engine for Zorawar LT? What changed suddenly?

Soumya Ray said...

...TBC

15. Why does Dhruv Mk.4 WSI have landing skid and LCH Prachand has landing wheel gear?
16. For 'normalisation with Israel, KSA wants 3 things from USA: 1) civil nuke cooperation; 2) iron-clad NATO-like security guarantee; 3) more advanced U.S. weapons. 1) is understandable but 2) & 3) are incompatible. It's like have cake & eat it too!!! Its armoury is much modern & large and second only to Israel in MENA.
17. By working hand in glove with China, KSA entered into a diplomatic détente with Iran. Yet KSA wants security umbrella from USA and not China! If there is a peace deal with Iran, then what for does it want a security umbrella?
18. How come Saudi-led cohort GCC can fight in Yemen, Libya & Sahel, diplomatically seal-off Qatar, acquire most modern arms, provide alms to Pak and yet wants external security guarantee to preserve its sovereignty & territorial integrity? How is it acceptable to a wealthy state?

Thank You

AMIT BISWAS said...

Your stoic silence on tectonic geopolitical scenarios developing indicates all is not well

Satya said...

Prasun bhai, pls do a separate thread on the Israel-Hamas war and it's consequences for the region and India. Looking forward to see your analysis.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ROHIT GILL, AMIT BISWAS & SATYA: Have been busy monitoring the theatrics of the on-going annual armed services commanders’ conferences. As for the conflict in Gaza, it had all been predicted here:

https://www.memri.org/reports/signs-possible-war-september-october

And here are some more explanations:

Build-Up to the Hamas Attacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7fG0FeVc1o

Israeli PM’s UNGA Speech last month was the tipping point when he showed a map of the new Middle East in which the Palestinian territories were not shown. Here is the speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNH85jgzJ0Y

How Hamas Attack Unfolded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S_5h1Ya2Sk

How an Israeli Invasion of Gaza Could Unfold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1EO0LVLTeg

Israel's Defence Strategy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xbkakrwmFo

Assessments on Gaza Hospital Blast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pAuDA6IOwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKWRkf5iz8&t=4s

FIBUA Challenges in Gaza: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bug_O699_yQ&t=47s

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Who Sabotaged The Nord Stream Pipelines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFjAqth-EQk

https://theprint.in/india/capfs-spend-less-than-10-of-2022-23-modernisation-funds-in-3-quarters-figure-zero-for-itbp-nsg-ssb/1805733/

China's Property Crisis Linked to Xi Jinping's Brother-in-Law:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5faovxjSfI&t=20s

Raw materials for semi-finished products of Hamas rockets have been seized by the IDF, and they actually say "Shandong Laiyang Steel Pipe Factory" on it. Following the trace, it was found that this manufacturer is from Laiyang City, Shandong, China.

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da
here is my opinion

1. #Zionism is not the same as #Judaism. All #jews in #israel and #USA and their supporters should listen to this #jewish #rabbi https://youtube.com/watch?v=gIX368TtOJs

2. the aura invincibility of #netanyahu israel shinbet mossad is gone forever and for good

3. #israel was never to be, it was land of #Palestenians, if #israel was created due to #holocaust then #jewish #homeland must have been craved out of #germany post #WW2 or #jews were settled in #canada/#australia where mil. of hectares of land freely available &none lives there

4. #Rabbi #DovidFeldman: "THE STATE OF #ISRAEL DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL #JEWS"
https://youtu.be/FuTiOp9dw4Y?si=1bzfAorQ4qpT5A-m

5. Criticism of the #Zionist Israeli state's state policies is NOT "Antisemitism", nor is condemning Israel for its blatant human rights violations on the Palestinians

6. AFAIK heaviest #Rockets from #gazastrip have 25 -50 kg warhead can that demolish a 5 storey building IMHO this was a #JDAM strike of recently supplied #bombs by #USA this proves me right 👇
https://youtu.be/rII2CwIOrDM

7. Why #MahatmaGandhi opposed creation of #Jewish nation-state in #Palestine https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-history/gandhi-opposed-jewish-nation-state-palestine-8975964/

8.Hear #BJP #Stalwart #AtalBihariVajpayee, He Said- #Israel Captured #Palestine & #Israel Must Vacate https://youtube.com/watch?v=tVeBTWkJb4w

9.#india too is responsible for the mess #indias IMEC will be going straight through Hebron a Palestine authority town completely captured by israel so much so that no one talks about it though it was part of oslo accord AFAIK

10. the biggest winner from all these is iran whether #ukraine or Palestine

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

Satya said...

Bravo Joydeep Ghosh for reinventing the wheel. Judaism is a description of the faith practiced by the Jews - a term which incorporates all Israel because the term Jew only referred to people from Judah. Zionism is a Nationalist movement of Israel promoting Israel, defending the cause of Israel and expanding such sentiments, to establish sovereignty of Hebrew speaking people in their own homeland. This is what those terms meant from the turn of the Century nothing new.

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,
Happy Durga pujo.
Recently seen a Nilgiri class under construction from outside. It seems it's long way to go before even harbor trial. Delivery of the first one from GRSE not before 2025. Almost 8 years after signing the contract.
When our shipyards will be mature.
Best regards

joydeep ghosh said...

@satya

on the contrary views about zionism are not mine they are by orthodox jews who opposed the creation of israel

my views are about iran, israel, india

I squarely blame India for this latest war in Gaza, unlike others who say it was Saudi Israel Thaw why i say that,

1. India in its eagerness to reach Europe quickly agreed to IMEC by the USA that will benefit Adanis Haifa port and formally allow Israel to dissolve the state of Palestine as IMEC will go straight through Hebron to Haifa that will cut through southern west bank finally removing last sliver of Palestinian control over southern west bank as northern part is already gone.

2. it is this confidence that Israel finally managed to 'शीशे में उत्तर लिया' India that Netanyahu actually had the audacity to show a map without Palestine saying it needs the area of Palestine for security

3. do remember if Palestine is dissolved India will formally lose its rights to reclaim POJK, COJK GB, Aksai Chin,

a. already China has said to India forget about Aksai Chin as its important for its security and connectivity between Tibet and Xinjiang

b. if Palestine is dissolved Pakistan will formally annex POJK GB the only thing that stops it is India's unwavering support for Palestine.

c. Pakistan knows if it annexes POJK GB IT WILL FACE SEVERE BACKLASH from Muslim world and Arab nations as they know India is the biggest supporter of Palestine outside the Muslim world

d. it is precisely this reason why India made sure Israel couldnt annex Palestine in 1970s THANKS to leaders like Vajpayee

e, but this modi led govt is only concerned about money doesn't matter how it comes just like the Chinese, which is why it said 'na koi ghusa tha na koi ghusa hai' about Chinas 2020 incursion

f. this modi led govt in its eagerness to make money almost committed harakiri by quickly showing support for Israel negating all the good work done by India with regards to Palestine in last 75 yeara but when it realized it will lose support of arab world in effort to get back POJK GB it was forced to issue statemwent in favour of Palestine

comprende

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

AMIT BISWAS said...

Lolz mr ghosh what do u know about israel shinbet, mossad and its network that u are considering them irrelevant?

It appears that you frequently form unsubstantiated opinions about everything, doesn't it?

Parthasarathi said...

Prasunda,
This is a request to you.
This blog is your's. We are sharing our defence related queries and views with you. However, recently in this platform, one gentleman is regularly sharing his political views ! He is asking political questions and sharing his opinions too !
It's your blog. Still, in my personal opinion the questions and queries must be answered by you !
Best regards

Soumya Ray said...

Hi Prasun

".....busy monitoring the theatrics of the on-going annual armed services commanders’ conferences......." Is it the Project Udbhav??

Thank you

Raghu said...

Hi

If the info in the following link is true, future looks bleak for the Eurofighter

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/10/22/berlin-sells-over-50-french-dassault-rafale-jets-to-riyadh/

Regards

joydeep ghosh said...

@amit biswas please correct your ideation nowhere did u said '
israel shinbet, mossad and its network that u are considering them irrelevant' what i said is that aura of invincibility of Netanyahu israel shinbet, mossad and its network has been completely demolished by hamas and showed that they can be beaten

ofcouse being a Netanyahu bhakt(supposedly 😁) you won't accept that and talk about the bombing of gaza. do note that it will harm israel in the long run and hamas very well know that and is bidding its time on that. longer it drags more and more arab world will turn against israel

note that

1. #israel is army of conscripts they dont have motivation like volunteer army like #india
2. like any conscript #army if you defend against them they will try overpower you with #firepower
3. you attack n fight they are more likely to loose n will do all to avoid it

which is why idf is scared to get into gaza as it knows the hamas tunnel network are good enough to make there incursion unlike 2014 extremely cost prohibitive

btw you will be surprised to know that Netanyahu has more support in india than in Israel 😁😁

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

Soumya said...

"one gentleman is regularly sharing his political views" - I am confident that the 1 gentleman is easier to find than Wally on the beach. That gentleman is of Bengali background, right? If no one guesses- more clues next time.... LOL

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun
Arjun tanks are among the heaviest in the world without the corresponding performance.
1. Is it because of lack of metallurgy tech or poor design elements.
Also Will it be able to stand up against the latest tanks and anti tank weapons of China and Pakistan

Thanks

AMIT BISWAS said...

Pity that ur expertise about topics you boast about isnt reflected in your response

Anonymous said...

Dear Prasunda,

It's your blog, much read and revered by many of us. It would be nice if people kept their self serving political bias and beliefs, cynicism and gross ignorance to themselves or start a blog of their own. No one is.intersted in reading let.alone debating such intellectless crap.
Asking genuine questions YES! Narrative pushing and opinion building is a big NO.

With all.respect, it's your blog and decision I am only expressing my frustration and requesting a fair hearing from you.

Satya said...

I am sorry I have to address to an Unknown Citizen as Anonymous- but I fully agree. Conclusions drawn about Israel, Hamas and the stuff is personal opinion based on pure conjecture and not sure what purpose they serve. However, my opinion like what has been expressed is that those baseless conclusions are baits for PKS to respond with facts and figures which then will be summarised in a Reader's Digest version and uploaded in IDRW as For My Take exuding wisdom LOL

dilbert said...

< Anonymous Oct.24, 2023 at 7:40 PM >

"Arjun tanks ... without the corresponding performance"
What do you know about Arjun tank's performance? It has not been tested in battle yet, so what is the basis of your assumption that its performance is poor? The tank performed very well during trials (better than the Russian T-90).

"Also Will it be able to stand up against the latest tanks and anti tank weapons of China and Pakistan"
Chinese / Paki tanks (and more importantly, their tank crews and command chain) have also not been tested in battle, so who the hell knows? You might just as reasonably ask "will Chinese/Paki tanks be able to stand up and survive in battle against the Indian Army and its Arjun tanks?" In fact, that is exactly what I am asking you right now -- what is your answer?

Anonymous said...

Dear Prasun Sir
Whether Pakistan is having a free supply line of easily expandable drones for smuggling narcotics? Are these drones so cheap that a cash strapped economy can easily afford to lose them to our CAPFs bullets? Or the illegal narcotics trade is so profitable that it seems losing a few drones can be easily absorbed? Sorry for my ignorance in this matter!!

Anonymous said...

Shocking News: 8 Navy Veterans Get Death In Qatar, "Shocked" India To Contest Order.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/8-ex-navy-officers-get-death-penalty-in-qatar-india-to-contest-sentence-4516004

Hi Prasun, Can you please shed some light on this case?

joydeep ghosh said...

@satya double LOLZ for you
biden says IMEC may be responsible for the hamas attack now what is your best guess😁
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/announcement-of-india-middle-east-corridor-possible-reason-for-hamas-attack-joe-biden-4515251#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

i think its qatars way to say

1. forget IMEC
2. unequivocally support Palestine
3. dont touch Hamas the only one Palestinian authority left as PLO /PA /Fatah is basically dissolved

btw you say NAMICA suboptimal didnt you earlier say DRDO had 8 cell but indian army reduced it to 6

thank
Joydeep ghosh

Anonymous said...

Joydeep

For you,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rFYbMhcG8&pp=ygUlcGV0ZXIgZnJhbXB0b24gZG8geW91IGZlZWwgbGlrZSB3ZSBkbw%3D%3D

Raghu said...

Hi

The following link gives a Russian perspective on the future evolution of main battle tank. Based on the current experience in Ukraine, I suppose.

https://vpk.name/news/787562_specoperaciya_polnostyu_izmenit_oblik_rossiiskogo_tanka_budushego.html

Translation to English would be required.

Regards

3rd ~ EyE said...

Hi Prasun,
Could the presence of Chinese spy ships and research vessels be a pretext to mapping IOR undersea topography? In order to pull a stunt later this decade like the artificial islands they made in the South China Sea, which by the way is now fully militarized? given their pearl of string strategy? this could be an objective to have their own island in IOR "to preserve their trade routes" , to counterbalance our Andaman nicobars?

if such a problem arises what would be India/US/AUS response? what options do we have in place?will we be a mute spectator like what happened in south china sea ?

Vin said...

Hi Dilbert ,
Thanks for your comments. I would like to hear what Prasun says though , before accepting it.

regards

Raghu said...

Hi,

The following, from a Russian site, gives details of the Javelin anti Tank missile guidance system

https://dzen.ru/media/id/5f20a49cf01f506fcb80c60b/pochemu-v-armii-rossii-do-sih-por-net-ptrk-3go-pokoleniia-chast-pervaia-62004aacdd215e071c342864

Don't know how accurate it is.

Regards

Kane1966 said...

Dear Prasunda,

Bharat Karnad wrote the below as facts on his blog, on July 26, 2023.
I would deeply appreciate your thoughts on this. Is he correct?

Pranaams and thanks.

3) With the Scorpene project ending and 75i yet to get going, the navy needed a bridging solution and decided an additional three units of the Scorpene would do.

4) Except, the French Company DCNS it had originally contracted with, now Naval Group, has terminated the Scorpene line, and professed itself unable to provide the SKD/CKD kits for MDL to assemble — NOT MANUFACTURE, the three additional Scorpenes.

5) Instead, the French firm offered, and navy quickly accepted, an adapted, conventional, version of its Barracuda nuclear powered attack submarine (SSN). And the Defence Ministry nominated MDL to assemble the three boats. This despite Defence Minister Rajnath Singh’s public commitment that there will be no production contractors by “nomination”. Meaning, for any production contract there will be competition. That’s how much Rajnath Singh’s words matter.

6) The Barracuda design could, however, be shrunk only so much. Compared to the Scorpene’s hull diameter of 6.3 metres and displacment of 1,650 tons, the adapted Barracuda’s is 7.2-7.5 metres, and 2,500-2,800 tons respectively. Barracuda SSN displaces some 5,300 tons. In other words, the three new ‘Scorpenes’ contracted for are NOT Scorpenes, only better.

7) That’s fine! Except, this upgrade also means rocketing unit cost. The navy acquired the six original Scorpenes at roughly Rs 6,000 crores each. The new “Scorpene” — adapted Barracuda, will cost Rs 11,000 crores per boat. That is almost double the cost — and this, mind you, is just the ‘base price’. There’s no hint anywhere of progressively lesser cost as would be expected for subsequent submarines after the first one!

7) Because it is a new submarine, the old Scorpene manufacturing jigs and wherewithal at MDL will have to be discarded for far more expensive replacements for conventional Barracuda sub assembly.

8) The French don’t have an operational AIP (Air Independent propulsion) system for increasing the range of submarines. So these conventional Barracudas will have to be equipped with the DRDO-designed and developed AIP which, incidentally, is good to go — what a relief! It will necessitate structural changes and, prospectively, yea, additional tens of millions of Euros in French pockets. (The first of the Scorpene subs, INS Kalvari, is coming in for refit in 2025, and will be equipped with the Indian AIP system.)

AMIT BISWAS said...

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1720048564506677318?t=5nXnlU_H2DZu2wxAcw4vcA&s=19

Perfect coordination between free press and US state dept??. Why is she being thrown under bus

Anonymous said...

Hello Prasunda

We hope you are keeping well and just preoccupied with some pressing matters.

Best wishes

Anonymous said...

Hello Sir,

Missing you. Hope everyting well in your personal life.

Regards
Dhanu G.

rad said...


hi PRASUN
regarding the attack on mianwali AFB, pakistan is again lying that only 3 grounded f-6 were damaged But on scrutinizing the video by sumit peer, clearly a fin of the burning j-10 is visible.
though mr peer wrongly claims the burning plane is a j-10 ,he is shooting is mouth in bravado.
i figure that about 4 j-10 were definitely destroyed looking at the hangar fire.
what is your take ?
the delivered j-10s have pesa or aesa radars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4lejrnddyk

Ram Joker said...

whilst we await PKS and his new thread most likely let's do a riddle in honour of a person asking question in this blog.
1) 6th note per Indian classical octave
2) 6th octave per Indian classical octave
3) Then say "to you" in Punjabi in a formal way
4) "To you" in formal Punjabi
Now take away the first two and you are left with something Bengalis in West Bengal sometimes call a part of the body.

raj gupta said...

Joydeep ghosh is turning into a ... kattar chuslim

meanwhile porkistan does nothing as israel wipes gaza off the map

Soumya Ray said...

Hello Prasun

Perhaps, 7 min and 45 sec of nail-biting tension will bring you back to this shaky mortal world. Police team ambushed and eventual rescue by the Indian Army QRT in Manipur: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17oy549/police_team_ambush_and_then_rescued_by_the_indian/

WE MISS YOU

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

!prasunda , hope every thing is fine on ur side , hope to hear from you soon !!

Soumya Ray said...

Dear Prasun

Why two different set of MALE drone for IA - Heron Mk.2 & Herme 900 for IA's AAC. Are they role specific?
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/armed-forces-contract-more-long-endurance-drones-from-israel-under-emergency-procurement/article67510035.ece

Thanks

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SOUMYA RAY: LoLz! You forgot to include the Archer-NG! The more the merrier, isn't it? Details are in the latest thread.