The Indian Air Force’s (IAF) association with ‘swing-wing’ combat
aircraft came to an end on December 27, 2019 when the last remaining seven MiG-27UPGs
were decommissioned from service. These aircraft, along with the already
decommissioned MiG-27Ms and MiG-23BNs, had been procured for serving as
all-weather tactical interdiction platforms with eight IAF squadrons.
In all, 95 MiG-23BNs were delivered between late 1980 and late 1982 and
they served with No.10 ‘Winged Dagger’. No.220 ‘Desert Tigers’ and No.221
‘Valiants’ Sqns between January 1981 and March 6, 2009 and having flown more
than 154,000 hours), with each carrying a 3-tonne weapons payload. The IAF subsequently
began procuring 165 MiG-27Ms (however, only 125 of which were licence-built by
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd or HAL between 1986 and 1992) for equipping No.222
‘Tiger Sharks; No.2 ‘Winged Arrows’, No.18 ‘Flying Bullets’, No.29 ‘Scorpions’,
and No.22 ‘Swifts’ Sqns from October 1984 till May 2, 1992. Each MiG-27M could
haul a 4-tonne weapons payload. Of these, 40 were subsequently upgraded to
MiG-27UPG standard—the upgrade work involving only the mission avionics suite.
Latter batches of HAL-built MiG-27Ms had 74% local industrial content.
While the MiG-23BNs all came
from Irkutsk Aviation Production Association (IAPA), for the MiG-27M licenced-production
programme, a team of specialists from both IAPA and Mikoyan OKB worked in
Nashik for the entire second half of 1982. In the first phase, the initial
batch of MiG-27Ms were delivered from Irkutsk in semi-knocked-down condition
(they were partially dismantled for transportation by sea). In the second
phased, fully knocked-down kits were delivered for final assembly by
HAL. The first locally-assembled MiG-27M was rolled out in October
1984. And on January 11, 1986, the first MiG-27M-equipped squadron (No.222
‘Tiger Sharks’) of the IAF had achieved full operational status.
The MiG-27M licenced-production programme was divided into
four phases, with Phase-1 involving the final assembly of aircraft that
had been delivered in semi-knocked-down condition, Phases-2 and -3 involving
the final-assembly of aircraft that had arrived in fully-knocked-down
condition, and Phase-4 involving the supply from the USSR of only materials,
sheet duralumin, forgings and blanks, which were all machined by HAL with the help
of numerically controlled machines procured by HAL from Western European
countries.
While the airframes of both the MiG-23BN and MiG-27M had a
total technical service life (TTSL) of 3,000 flight-hours, the airframe
developer—Mikoyan OKB—had subsequently certified both airframes for an
additional 1,200 flight-hour service-life. However, if the airframes were to be
subjected to total refurbishment by HAL, then the service-life could be
increased by another 3,000 flight-hours based on structural fatigue tests that
could have been carried out by the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL).
However, an engine-change was
called for and Mikoyan OKB along with Moscow Machine-building Production
Company (MMPP Salyut) had by the late 1990s had proposed that the
Tumansky R29-300 and R29B-300 turbofans be replaced with AL-31F
turbofans that offered 1-tonne maximum extra thrust-rating. This was accepted
in-principle by the IAF.
In parallel, the Defence R
& D Organisation’s (DRDO) Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE)
began a deep-upgrade of the MiG-27M’s avionics suite in 2002. Only 40% of
the on-board systems, mainly of the mechanical type, were retained as original
factory equipment of Russian design. The first prototype MiG-27UPG flew on
March 25, 2004, followed by a second prototype on November 4,
2004. Together, during their flight-trials, they flew more than 300 hours.
In June 2006, came
the MiG-27UPG’s Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) certification from IAF HQ. It
opened the way for work on aircraft building. After modernization, they
equipped two squadrons. Modified cars received the designation MiG-27UPG.
Back in 2003,
Vladimir Labazin, MMPP Salyut’s Deputy Chief Designer, described how the re-engining
of MiG-23UBK tandem-seat operational conversion trainers, the MiG-23BN and
MiG-27M with AL-31F turbofans could have been achieved. “Having taken stock of
our capabilities, we realised that we could cough up some funds to invest into
the initial-stage assessment of mounting the AL-31F. Our design bureau began
looking into this in late 2002. Aircraft and engine dimensional analysis and
computerised, visual and assembly coordination showed that minor airframe and
engine modifications would make them compatible in terms of size. The aircraft
features some room for improvement as far as airflow is concerned and we can
reduce the AL-31F’s takeoff airflow a little while maximising airflow at high
altitude. Early mechanical problems have already been overcome.”
“For example,
the AL-31F used to keep setting against the fuel tank or some other structural
elements and we had to modify the positions of some components for the engine
to fit in. To keep aircraft systems intact, MMPP Salyut, retained all aircraft
accessories mounted on the R29B-300’s reduction gear, with only the accessory
gearbox replaced–the gear ratio of the old engine was different, so we had to
replace the reduction gear. However, even though we have retained all aircraft
accessories, we had to rearrange them to avoid altering the airframe and engine
nacelle’s inner mould lines, fuel tanks and heavy frames.
In addition,
introduction of advanced engine mounting components, re-arrangement of the
accessories, generator and starter unit, and modification of the dimensions of
certain engine components enabled us to squeeze the AL-31F into the nacelle
without disturbing primary structural and fuel system elements of the aircraft.
During the spring
and summer of 2003, MMPP Salyut developed the mock-up of the AL-31F, and after
exhaustive tests conducted the final fitting. “We are planning to manufacture
the engine by year-end and launch its bench tests in January 2004, and count on
doing flight tests in July or August 2004. After this has been completed, we
will commence full-scale improvement of the IAF’s MiG-27Ms to begin with.
To avoid
redesigning the load-bearing structure of the airframe fuel cells, MMPP Salyut’s
designers came up with a new load-bearing element—a longitudinal beam—that
mounted the main attach fitting for the AL-31F. In addition, an extra engine
attach fitting was introduced to the rear fuselage to fix the AL-31F relative
to the axis, thus ensuring necessary thermal movement. Engine mounting
procedures too were altered. The R29B-300 comprised two parts. The fore part
was first to be mounted, then the aft one, after which both would be put
together.
The AL-31F is a single-piece design and therefore it has to be
installed into the fuselage mid-section, with the tail section to follow. To
this end, a dedicated trolley was made, on which the AL-31F rolled into the fuselage,
was then attached to main bracket supports and aligned with the aircraft’s
centreline and was then fixed in this position with a dedicated rod on the fore
end of the AL-31F.
Then the tail
section was rolled on to the AL-31F using the dedicated trolley and linked with
the mid-section. The AL-31F was then aligned with the tail bumper and detaching
the hoist fitting. Then all systems were assembled. In addition, minor
modifications to the aircraft had to be introduced. For example, the starter
had to be rotated 200 degrees with a new exhaust shutter made, and new air
ducts installed to cool the assemblies. Main modifications were made to the
AL-31F. To reduce costs and time, the new accessory gearbox was made of two
sections. Aircraft accessory elements were ‘borrowed’ from the previous R29 and
the engine’s portion from the AL-31F. Both parts of the gearbox were linked by
virtue of the new reduction gear and the casing. The engine oil system was
revamped drastically because the oil tank and the oil pump pack had to be
positioned where there was room to house them instead of where it was best for
the engine.
Fitting the
AL-31F on to the IAF’s MiG-23UBKs, MiG-23BNs and MiG-27M would have had another
benefit: if those aircraft were to be discarded from service before their
engines’ service-life had expired, then 70% of their components could be used
for overhauling the AL-31FPs now powering the IAF’s Su-30MKI H-MRCAs. And that
is because the core portions of the AL-31F and AL-31FP are identical, with only
their outer componentry—casings, oil systems and outer plumbing and wiring—
having been modified.
Deliveries of
AL-31Fs to power the MiG-23UBKs, MiG-23BNs and MiG-27Ms were scheduled to kick
off as early as the first quarter of 2005. However, to everyone’s
consternation, the re-engining contract was not inked and the IAF decided not
to re-engine the MiG-23UBKs, MiG-23BNs and MiG-27Ms. So, what were the consequences
of this decision?
The IAF lost 13 of its
MiG-27Ms aircraft between 2001 and 2016. In the last 10 years, 11
MiG-27Ms, have crashed. Subsequent boards of inquiry shockingly revealed that
majority of the MiG-27Ms went down because of “engine-related technical
defects” like perennial engine oil leaks from ill-serviced fuel-pumps of
the R29B-300 turbofans. Nearly 40% of these turbofans and related accessories
licence-produced by HAL’s Koraput Division had to be returned by the IAF for
some or the other defects. The problems ranged from oil leaks, metallic
particles in oil filters and hot-air leaks from rear casings to troubles in
compressor-blades and even in the turbines.
Most of the cause factors can be
classified as defects during manufacturing or overhauling processes. The MiG-27M
suffered Low-Pressure Turbine Rotor (LPTR) failures in at least 11 incidents. HAL
in some cases even lied while overhauling the LPTR, saying that it had followed
the overhaul manual, but subsequent IAF investigations revealed that the
procedure recommended by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) was not
being implemented by HAL. Such lapses had also led to previous crashes of MiG-21
Bisons. The springs installed in the fuel pump of the MiG-21 Bison’s R25-300
turbofans were failing frequently. A MiG-21 Bison crashed in November 2012 in
Gujarat, which was attributed to spring failure. Of the five main fuel-pumps
fitted with HAL-manufactured springs, at least three springs failed, which is
unforgivable as it would have certainly resulted in accidents. Shockingly, the
main fuel pumps of the MiG-21 Bison continue to leak fuel, despite four studies
conducted and implemented since the 1990s. Despite incorporating changes, fuel
leak from the main fuel-pump has continued unabated from throttle-end.
However, another reason behind the poor
quality of production and engine repairs is attributed to mass production work
in the last leg of a production year in order to achieve the projected target.
For example, in the first six months of 2012-2013 production year, HAL finished
overhaul work on only four RD-33 turbofans of the MiG-29B-12, but in the last quarter
of the year, four RD-33 were completely overhauled within three months. Similarly
for the R29B-300s, HAL finished overhauling nine engines in nine months, but
interestingly another nine engines were completed within the last three months.
The issue was flagged by the IAF, saying that such industrial productivity trends
were adversely affecting the quality of overhauled turbofans.
Thus, it appears that HAL was not
interested in providing quality turbofans to the IAF and instead was only
interested in meeting the production numbers every year. There is also an
impression that the workforce in HAL deliberately delayed the production to
last three months to earn few extra bucks for ‘overtime’ perks, which is
disgusting, given the fact that human lives are at stake. Interestingly,
throughout their service-lives, none of the MiG-23BNs, which had come
off-the-shelf from IAPA, displayed any engine-related equipment malfunctions!
The end-result: premature decommissioning
of the IAF’s MiG-23UBKs, MiG-23BNs and MiG-27Ms, thereby denying the IAF
another 10 operational combat squadrons.
150 comments:
Videos of MiG-23BNs & MiG-27Ms of the IAF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkCPbjAoP2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgZtgSk3gX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJTCJFgrYq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FfPqBvLbHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5dzN5c1Ys8
MiG-23BN/MiG-27M Development History:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUHsx0aFx6c
MiG-27M re-engined with AL-31F:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p_WG1g27Hs
Hi Prasunji,
How will HAL execute Jaguar MAX program will it build new Jaguar aircraft or push into service retired aircarft "gifted" by France or upgrade the existing fleet.
Thanks & Regards
Hardik Thanki
Dada as my home is about 150 km away from hasimara afb I used to get her glimpse occasionally when it used to fly and showing her geometrical wings. Hope now I will get to see my French crush soon.
Nice thread sir. Informative as always. Replacement for these migs, Tejas Mk1A or MWF?
Off the thread question.
1) i have seen Praveen Sawhney sir's videos, articles etc. I feel that he considers IA either to be weak or inferior force. PA seems his darling, says that Pok can be defended well by PA. I don't know what is his pov, what's reason of such assessments?? PA guys are actually running pillar to post in view of recent fire exchange. I suspect if they can even stand few days in case of op POK. I know they have some good weapons but don't know how affective they r. No disrespect to him.
Prasun Da
https://twitter.com/dgprPaknavy/status/1210461445982498816
https://twitter.com/dgprPaknavy/status/1210461454178095104t
What kind Missile being fired by Pak navy.
1)VL missile from ship?
2)Misslie From Sea king helicopter?
3)From fast attack craft Land Attack Missiles hitting land target?
4)Under water Land Attack Missiles hitting land target?
With MiG 27 too retiring. IAF is down to 28 squadrons. Is the plan to get back the squadron strength on schedule ?
1. When will all Tejas FOC version be delivered ?
2. What about 8 Tejas Trainers ?
3. What about buying MiG 29 from Russia, when do you think that will materialise ?
4. Orders for 18 SU30MKI & their delivery ?
5. The new MMRCA x.0 tender, do you think IAF will succeed in placing orders well before 2024 ?
6. Additional 36-44 Rafales ?
Regards
Venky
Dear Prasun,
Geopolitics of the South China Sea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFE4rTq5HWA
1. What is the American Strategy to Contain China in South China Sea?
2. Is America have Fire Power to Contain China or US is going to be a Paper Tiger.
Already Philippines lost interest on America and Join hands with China. Slowly each South Asean countries started to Realize the strength and Weakness of US. So everyone slowly joining china camp.
Please comments.
Regards
Senthil Kumar
Prasunda,
This last paragraph of yours in this post, and I quote:
Thus, it appears that HAL was not interested in providing quality turbofans to the IAF and instead was only interested in meeting the production numbers every year. There is also an impression that the workforce in HAL deliberately delayed the production to last three months to earn few extra bucks for ‘overtime’ perks, which is disgusting, given the fact that human lives are at stake. Interestingly, throughout their service-lives, none of the MiG0-23BNs, which had come off-the-shelf from IAPA, displayed any engine-related equipment malfunctions!
Unquote.
This is absolutely criminal negligence, if correct. This shows complete lack of responsibility towards the life of the pilots and property of IAF. HAs anyone in HAL been taken to the cleaners for these kinds of criminal actions. If not why do we at all carry out the time and money consuming Courts of Enquiry, when no one is brought to book?
Kane
Good riddance. One headache is reduced. Time to get rid of MIG 21s and Jaguars.
Thank you sir for a very informative post . How do you think IAF and GOI will make way to cover the squadron shortfall
'Deliveries of AL-31Fs to power the MiG-23UBKs, MiG-23BNs and MiG-27Ms were scheduled to kick off as early as the first quarter of 2005. However, to everyone’s consternation, the re-engining contract was not inked and the IAF decided not to re-engine the MiG-23UBKs, MiG-23BNs and MiG-27Ms. So, what were the consequences of this decision? '
Who made this drastic decision ? Air hqs or some intelligent from indian aramdayaak service??
http://kanchangupta.blogspot.com/2008/12/truth-behind-kandahar.html?m=1
I was very small to understand that time, but what a irony to see now, civilians were found abusing the govt. Against its decision to not negotiate and even abusing martyrs families....with these mentality in mind i wonder for what and for whom our armed forces are working?
To ANUP: The help for space technology ended in 1984. As for turbofans, Japan has made some homegrown turbofans, but nothing for combat aircraft as yet.
To HARDIK THANKI: The Jaguar MAX is an upgrade project & does not include producing brand-new airframes.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: 1) The MiG-23BN & MiG-27UPGs are in the medium-weight category & therefore the only realistic replacement is the MWF, not L-MRCA like Tejas Mk.1 or Mk.1A. 2) Because in every fighting arm of the IA there are critical shortfalls, like in tube artillery, rocket artillery, air-defence systems, ATGMs, helicopters.
To SUSAN: 1) if it is a VLS missile then why are the missile’s flames touching the sea water? Because it is the HHQ-7 SHORADS, & not Any vertically-launched SAM. 2) C-802A ASCM. 3) ASCMs can hit any land-based target located ONLY along the coastline, like oil terminals. 4) It is the submarine-launched version of the C-802A.
To VENKY: 1) Only 16 Tejas Mk.1s have been delivered, leaving another 34 to be delivered by 2022. 2) Only by 2022. 3) Should be in the new fiscal year. 4) In the new fiscal year. 5) Not likely. 6) Possible.
To SENTHIL KUMAR: 1) The strategy of the US has prevented the PLAN from deploying its SSBNs beyond its territorial waters. 2) The US has more than enough firepower to reduce to dust all the islands reclaimed by China in the South China Sea in a matter of minutes.
To KANE: The first to be convinced will be all the successive Defence Ministers/Raksha Mantris who approved the WRONG decisions.
To MAGICBULLET: Only by ordering additional MiG-29UPGs & Su-30MKIs.
To AMIT BISWAS: The decision was made by the ‘netas’ of UPA-1 who wanted to save money for giving away subsidies & doll-outs. As for the IC-814 hijack, where was the need to lend one’s ears to the relatives of the hijacked passengers? Does this happen in any other country?
To DASHU: JF-17 Block-3 with MAWS sensors makes its maiden flight in Chengdu:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM2dxkrUcAE9lzC.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM3Xr7FXsAIpnPK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM3Xr7RXsAAKNTW.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM3ROB8UUAMr9r1.jpg
While govt workers in Gilgit-Baltistan get paid only once a year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW26FaAALuA
1st 2 seater trainer then this MAWS, that country is on a modernizing spree at good speed. Compare that with this- "2) Because in every fighting arm of the IA there are critical shortfalls, like in tube artillery, rocket artillery, air-defense systems, ATGMs, helicopters."
They are the ones introducing cutting edge technologies into subcontinent like AIP into subs, AEW & CS and now recently 155 mm MGS.
Not sure how effective this newly created CDS would be regarding future force modernization.
Ok ok.
Thanks.
Since jf17 blk3 is not far away from getting inducted. May be by 2022 will start induction in large numbers. How soon we may get all relavent systems on our MiG 29, su30mki, jaguar etc? By relavent systems i mean is MAWS, AESA radar, internal jammers equivalent of rafale's jammers or better, new engine in case of jaguar(HTFE-25 with afterburner producing upto 35-40kn thrust possible?) n su30mki, n yes better IRST sensors???
2) is it possible to reduce RCS to 2m² of all above mentioned aircrafts esp su30mki using some paints or a new skin?? Any such thing on consideration for super Sukhoi upgrade??
3) can we get a new AAM which can be armed on russian fighters which has near comparable NEZ of meteor with dual seeker?? IR cum radar?
Its Coz i dont trust these simple radar seeker based missiles be it with AESA seeker coz they can be jammed. N Pakistan may get such jammers which can jam these ka/ku band seeker based missiles from Turkey or china etc...
Prasun sir,
Jf-17 block 3 does not have irst pod and air refueling probe which every pak enthusiastic blog were sayings.
So what are the improvement happed in block 3?
Prasun,
- why the rfx for 200 apc & create bureaucratic hurdles. We have never had a smooth open bid purchase.It is only going to delay the acquisition with increased costs if not stall it all together like the LPD one .. why isn't the kestrel fully supported since itz public private partnership.
- You mention about the lack of standardization in your replies. is it done on purpose thanks to lobbyists for both external co's & DPSU's
- any details of XRSAM you cud share. How diff it is from barak-er & will India also need barak er(primarily for ship based air defence)
-cud a version of QRSAM replace the barak 1 in the near future. if yes, why is the IN launching an rfx for the short range self defence missile
-why did IN opt for the talwar class frigates when 22350 class with similar tonnage & more firepower is being introduced in rusian navy. Also there are reports of a more heavier version of 22350(22350m) supposed to carry a whopping 48 offensive missiles with @8K tonnage
-what is the new ofb developed air defence artillery. is it a cosmetic makeup of the existing near obsolete ones being manufactured by the dpsu
Dear Prasun,
How do you view JF 17 Block 3 with MAWS sensor? How will it fare against Tejas Mk1A and MWF? Please enlighten me.
Prasunda,
1) You have said that every fighting arm of the IA has critical shortfalls. You have also said that PA/PAF/PN are in worse shape than IA/IAF/IN. In that case, is'nt the assessment of Pravn Sawhney that Pak is a superior military power an exaggerated assesment (possibly for some kind of agenda peddling) ?
2) There are more reports of unusual PA movements to the LC. Any (mis)adventure planned by PA with China's support over the next several months ?
Satyaki
Dear Prasun,
Thanks for your reply for Geopolitics of the South China Sea.
RVS Mani on whether the 26/11 was a fixed match between the ISI and the UPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7YfRtx65hA
Now Please watch this Video of RVS Mani.
1. Is it True?
2. Now the Whole Country is Confused whether Sept 26/11 is Stage Managed by UPA Government.
Can you elaborate the whole story of the Sept 26/11 for our viewers to get the actual Truth.
Please comments.
Regards
Senthil Kumar
Hello Prasunji!
Commenting here after a long time after getting an academic break.Interesting developments and facts are emerging on world geopolitics:
1.https://twitter.com/NavroopSingh_/status/1211165752998293504?s=19
Do you think that India lost it's international reputation by pulling punches on folks in West like Pramilla Jayapal,Few Democrats,etc?
2.https://twitter.com/governorswaraj/status/1210448162508414985?s=19
Even when I was reading history on how Adian country got their nuke technology,I found Norway to be on quite negative side.Also,if I am not wrong,it was Norway which gave refuge to NE based separatists to raise funds for the insurgency.Interestingly,once Former CM of Manipur also said that many NE groups were getting funds through "church".So does that mean Norway was using missionaries to pump in money to those groups? And what do you generally think about role of them in overall subcontinent?
Happy New Year in Advance to you and every reader of this blog.
Thanks Sirji.
Prasunda
Thus as has been long said by you, officially announced by Indian Navy - 30 Submarines (24 +6 SSBN/SSGN Nuclear Deterrent)
18 SSK 6 SSN for the 24 Submarines while 6 SSBN (S5 onwards) / SSGN (S2/S3/S4)
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/planning-to-build-six-nuclear-attack-submarines-navy-to-parliamentary-panel/articleshow/73018905.cms?
hi prasun
The BSR of the QRSAM is mounted on atruck . The antenna faces are quite low in height , ie mounted on a truck that cannot elevate its antenna. This is a great disadvantage when detecting low flying cruise missiles like the babaur for which it is designed , that fly very low. . A qrsam antenna is always elevated like the reporter or the giraffe.
how well will it detect cruise missiles ?
Is there a basic design flaw?
Recently saw a pic of MiG 23 UB in Jodhpur airbase ...afaik mig 23 was dcmssnd last decade then why it is till being used
Prasunji,
1) Are our seaking helicopters also able to give to provide OTHT for naval brahmos, klub and uran missiles? Considering the missiles are russian tech and the seaking is western.
2) Will the upcoming Seahawk from america be able to provide OTHT for brahmos for the same reasons as the above question?
3) Where are the decoy launchers of the Mareech located on the Kolkata class? I tried finding it on pics but could only see the kavach decoy Launcher.
4) When will the upgraded ka28 ASW helicopters start arriving?
5) Has the Varunastra torpedo been deployed aboard our warships yet or are we still using Russian torpedoes?
6) Has the deal for 24 Seahawk ASW helicopter been signed? It was reported it would be signed when Jaishankar was in the US.
7) How many ATAS has been contracted for, from Atlas electronique?
How many in off the shelf condition and how many assembled in India?
8) Has the Kolkata class warships ever been paired with any other helicopter besides the chetak? Like the ka 28 or seaking. Even when the ship visited China it only had a single chetak.
9) What is the status of the altas sonar project of drdo?
10) The Mareech ATDS was inducted into navy in 2015 by shri parrikar but was ordered only in Feb 2018. I'm a little confused how that's the case. Does the MoD only order systems after they have been inducted (which defeats the purpose) or was the Feb 2018 order a repeat one?
Sorry for 2nd comment.
saw tweet regarding arrival of igla SA-24 MANPAD. Inauguration also done.
Is that actually igla or verba??
SA-24 performance in hot climate is not considered to be good. Has it been procured only as a gap filler??
2) new cds done. Your take on this? His role, responsibilities, DMA working, role keeping in mind op pok. A thread on this would be great.
3) Lt Gen Syed ata hasnain in reply to my comment.
https://twitter.com/atahasnain53/status/1211333148606267392?s=19
4) about the AL-41f engine in its current form which is to be bought to be installed on su30, is it certified to be giving upto 4 or 5 full time sorties per day??
5) for an engg background person. Actually i am diploma in electrical n btech in mechanical, is it good to take public administration as subject for UPSC?? I will starting preparation after joining any govt job i get. Not taking tech subject coz mechanical engineering as a subject is quite detailed in itself n then going with UPSC other subjects would be really too much to study.
Thanks
Hi Prasun,
Again a good informative article, but whats the use no one will listen to you because the ones who make policies are blessed with all knowing knowledge and ones who make the product are arrogant the politicians are egoistic what sought of progress these people will deliver incase you have forgotten this is a very country that has sadhus to spell mantras to kill its enemies LOL
PrasunDa,
Today the Navy told a Parliamentary panel :
corporate guarantee of the JSC USC, a 100 per cent Russian government-owned firm, could be accepted and fast-track approval of the competent authority accorded for contract conclusion
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/indian-navy-planning-to-build-six-nuclear-attack-submarines-navy-to-parliamentary-panel/articleshow/73017759.cms?from=mdr
Will you please explain what they meant by this ?
Regards,
VIKRAM
To DASHU: here’s the videoclip of the JF-17B rollout at PAC Kamra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaL5Qtw60Vk
To RAD: The XR-SAM is meant to be a ‘desi’ equivalent of this SAM that is now part of the S-400 LR-SAM system:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qSYty69vXMQ/W7qEWDXJz4I/AAAAAAAAPvE/AQ7UjJrfiRA6LveXtvrqwCVw7pCDUjLrACLcBGAs/s1600/40N6E%2BLR-SAM-1.jpg
The IAF has yet to begin receiving its Barak-8 MR-SAMs & so the only in-theatre SAMs are the SpyDer-SR & upgraded S-125M Pechoras. C-802A is a subsonic ASCM that can target coastline-located metallic structures like oil terminals. Here it is:
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For jamming AEW & C platforms, a series of jammers is reqd not just for jamming the early-warning radar, but also for all its other data-links operating in the UHF, Ku, L & C bandwidths. Jammers for all such bandwidths can thus only be mounted on aircraft like the C-130J or B.767 or A310. The combined SAR/COMINT platforms (9 in all) are now the subject of joint India-US development under the bilateral DTTI initiative. No one in India has so far developed or made any SAR/MTI radar, although the LRDE & CABS remain engaged in developing such a radar for the ‘Tapas’ MALE-UAV, like this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ve1EYGU9x58/UvOskVeJedI/AAAAAAAAGiw/eSWYofBpxSQ/s1600/DRDO-Developed+SAR+Payload+for+Rustom-2+MALE-UAV.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q8A1k6ZdZEQ/UvvGcee9j-I/AAAAAAAAGp8/S7g6HaEMZNA/s1600/Rustom-2+MALE-UAV's+SAR+Mission+Payload.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WWeFBXfGs7I/UvvGtfV-z3I/AAAAAAAAGqE/xG9hpTiyUPE/s1600/XV-2004.jpg
The elevation of the QR-SAM’s BSR enough for scanning up to the horizon, which is enough for detecting & tracking inbound cruise missiles.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: 1) The MiG-29UPGs of the IAF are now the best-protected in the IAF inventory due to their internal ELT-568 jammers as part of the D-29 EW suite. But MAWS fitments are missing. The Rafales will be far more superior to the MiG-29UPG as they will have MAWS as well. The Su-30MKIs have EL/L-8222 jammers but now MAWS. So, the Su-30MKIs & Tejas Mk.1s need to have MAWS fitments, while the Tejas Mk.1 will require an external jamming pod as well. The Jaguar IS/DARIN-3s all have internal EW jammers for protection from BVRAAMs, but no MAWS fitments. 2) RCS reduction on existing airframes is always a sub-optimal effort & hence aircraft with large RCS must either operate below an airspace surveillance radar’s operating envelope or be equipped with low-band/mid-band/high-band jammers. 3) The only such BVRAAM that will be available will be the Astra-2 with SFDR propulsion. 4) It is the Igla-S. 5) Here are some good reflections on the CDS issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx52fi-c3oE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6scjc9Vp3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oarldMA0eHw
To me, the greatest challenge for the CDS will be rationalisation of hardware procurement priorities of the 3 armed services. For example, what is not being reported by the ‘desi’ patrakaars’ is that the IAF & IN are now engaged in an intense turf-war about offensive air-operations in the maritime domain. While the IAF has been claiming that the IN does not require aircraft carriers since the IAF Su-30MKIs have air-launched BrahMos-A, it had to back down after the IN asked the IAF exactly how will it provide continuous CAP cover for a naval task-force or battle-group. So the IAF will soon come up with its rebuttal, i.e. CAPs can be provided if the IAF is allowed to acquire sufficient nos of aerial refuelling tankers. Such turf-wars need to be terminated & they can be ONLY AFTER defining the nature & character of future warfighting scenarios. 6) Su-30MKI is not a tactical interdictor or battlefield interdicton platform & will therefore not be reqd to fly 5 sorties a day. It is the Tejas Mk.1, Tejas Mk.1A & the Jaguar IS/DARIN-3s that will be the workhorses used for both tactical interdiction & battlefield interdiction & hence these 3 platforms will be reqd to have quick turnaround times.
To MOHAN: The JF-17 Block-3 comes with MAWS attachments like this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-21WP9bnUHZU/VYHiPzX2SKI/AAAAAAAAJoY/GbkAT0Dwo7s/s1600/MAWS%2BSensor.jpg
And an external jamming pod (KG-300):
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7fQb4cQA1SE/VYHjRDe5lDI/AAAAAAAAJpI/Uzaj1ZQJ8ao/s1600/KG-300G%2Bjammer%2Bpod-1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_o9KWwpejRE/VYHjRmypZ4I/AAAAAAAAJpM/jiVlETeuRJ8/s1600/KG-300G%2Bjammer%2Bpod-2.jpg
As for AESA-MMR, the PAF wants to procure the one from Selex Airborne Systems of Italy, but is unlikely to do so due to PAC Kamra’s inability to undertake systems integration. Hence, the final choice will have to be a China-developed AESA-MMR.
To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) One needs to understand that finalising performance parameters & optimising engineered solutions is a long drawn-out process about which India hasn’t had much experience & that’s the reason why a lot of duplication of effort has taken place, which in turn led to production delays in the Arjun Mk.1A & Dhanush-45 projects. This is because India previously had depended on imported solutions that came with readymade manuals for everything. But when it comes to homegrown solutions, all the manuals have to be done domestically & they cannot be done until the end-product has been tested to its limits. 2) Lack of standardisation exists because each armed service insists on operating in its own warfighting arena, instead of embracing joint warfighting concepts. That’s why one is now witnessing an IA reqmt for a ‘desi’ MMW-CIFF transponder capable of being inserted into existing armoured vehicles & helicopters operated by the IA, but deliberately leaving out the helicopters flown by the IAF. 3) The XR-SAM is meant to be a ‘desi’ equivalent of this SAM that is now part of the S-400 LR-SAM system:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qSYty69vXMQ/W7qEWDXJz4I/AAAAAAAAPvE/AQ7UjJrfiRA6LveXtvrqwCVw7pCDUjLrACLcBGAs/s1600/40N6E%2BLR-SAM-1.jpg
4) If a VL-cell for the QR-SAM is developed, it will then be able to operate as a naval SR-SAM. This where all 3 armed services should have come up with a unitary qualitative reqmt. But this hasn’t taken place although the performance parameters are identical & hence the IA calls it QR-SAM, the IAF calls it SL-QRM & the IN calls it SR-SAM! 5) Because the IN already operates 6 Project 1135.6 FFgs & procuring more of the same will be more cost-effective. The 7 Project 17A FFGs will be superior to the Project 22350-class FFGs. 6) It is the good-old AK-630M which I had recommended in the thread dated October 23, 2016 for use as a ground-based air-defence system. Here it is:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aARwAMc00II/WBKNI3aU8FI/AAAAAAAAL2k/wzLL30oIV3owQCFL01s_730af3BEmNsyACLcB/s1600/AK-630M%2BAAA.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u0Y9LGlKZfk/WBKNRis7B0I/AAAAAAAAL2o/HpF1D81K7gEsrdzKtRXRtru2F0XsOYgAQCLcB/s1600/Lynx%2BUX%2Bmulti-sensor%2BFCS.jpg
Additional info on this can be found in the reports of the Indian Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence, which are downloadable from here:
http://164.100.47.194/Loksabha/Committee/CommitteeInformation.aspx?comm_code=7&tab=1
7) Why should India be so thin-skinned? Instead India should articulate her own narrative by requesting the OIC to be given the chance to present her own narrative on the issue of J & K. After all, if Islam stands for justice, then the OIC should be agreeable to both India & Pakistan pleading their cases, & not just Pakistan. But if Pakistan decides to boycott such a hearing due to India’s presence at such an event (which it will), then it will become crystal-clear to the whole world that Pakistan does not want justice, but only a one-sided self-righteous narrative to prevail, which in turn will only cause greater ‘Islamophobia’ worldwide. I’m absolutely certain that the leading Arab members of the OIC are in sync with my eplanation & hence they will see to it that any such event remains a low-key affair & justice prevails.
To ASD: With MAWS, the survivability factor increases, especially against SRAAMs. MWF will have MAWS, but Tejas Mk.1A & Tejas Mk.1 both require MAWS fitments on underwing pylon attachments of the type developed by TERMA of Denmark, like this:
https://www.terma.com/media/105019/4868_pbl_pylon_screen.pdf
In addition, the Tejas Mk.1 also requires an ASPJ pod, since it lacks the internally-mounted jammer due to space constraints.
To SATYAKI: 1) he was referring to China & NOT Pakistan. 2) No offensive formations of the PA are being deployed along the LoC or WB.
To SENTHIL KUMAR: Those are needless conspiracy theories. He was probably inspired by these books:
https://www.amazon.in/Betrayal-India-Revisiting-Evidence-First/dp/8172210884
https://www.amazon.in/Who-Killed-Karkare-Terrorism-India/dp/8172210531/ref=pd_sbs_14_t_0/262-7475887-3018427?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=8172210531&pd_rd_r=3b314ad7-303a-4a8d-adb9-3787cab2c1fb&pd_rd_w=xRXsD&pd_rd_wg=7ZdZN&pf_rd_p=21bbdc4d-873b-48c5-a88a-70e643377944&pf_rd_r=V8DJ8WESFC25699X8A4E&psc=1&refRID=V8DJ8WESFC25699X8A4E
https://www.amazon.in/Probe-Judiciary-containing-important-supporting/dp/8172210620/ref=pd_sbs_14_t_1/262-7475887-3018427?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=8172210620&pd_rd_r=3b314ad7-303a-4a8d-adb9-3787cab2c1fb&pd_rd_w=xRXsD&pd_rd_wg=7ZdZN&pf_rd_p=21bbdc4d-873b-48c5-a88a-70e643377944&pf_rd_r=V8DJ8WESFC25699X8A4E&psc=1&refRID=V8DJ8WESFC25699X8A4E
What really happened in 26/11 was revealed by the NSA defector Edward Snowden, who exposed all the SIGINT/COMINT capabilities of both the US NSA & the UK’s GCHQ & it was such capabilities that later enabled the US to zero in on David Headley aka Daoud Gilani.
To ANUP: Due to the MTCR regime coming into existence.
To KAUSTAV: The ‘desi’ news agencies are releasing such info in spurts. Far more information is available now in the reports of the Indian Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence, which are downloadable from here:
http://164.100.47.194/Loksabha/Committee/CommitteeInformation.aspx?comm_code=7&tab=1
To AMIT BISWAS: What was retired in the previous decade were MiG-23MFs & MiG-23BNs. The tandem-seat MiG-23UBK continued to serve as an OCU platform. And here’s another stinking report on the IC-814 hijack incident:
https://theprint.in/opinion/why-vajpayee-govt-chose-to-swap-3-terrorists-with-160-passengers-of-ic-814-two-decades-ago/342217/
To JAIKISHAN: 1) No, they cannot. Only the upgraded Ka-28PLs & ka-31 AEW helicopters can. 2) Yes. 3) Amidships. 4) Early next year. 5) Pnly on the Project 15A DDGs. 6) Not yet. 7) Six. All are arriving in semi-knocked-down condition. 8) With Ka-28PL & Ka-31. 9) It is ready for use by the projected 16 SW-ASW vessels. 10) Because such systems can be installed only when a warship starts undergoing its periodic upgrade or mid-life refit. They cannot be installed overnight.
To THE RAT: VMT, but one can never give up hope, don’t you reckon?
To VIKRAM GUHA: What it means is that instead of the Russian OEM depositing the money in an India-based bank account, an escrow account be created with a Russia-based bank where the Russian OEM can deposit the bank guarantee amount in Russian currency & if required, this amount can also be used for part-financing of future MRLCs, or rolling that amount to cover the bank guarantees for future MRLCs.
To PRAJJWAL DALAL: 1) Not at all. India should not be appearing to be thin-skinned. Instead, she should evolve & articulate her own narrative & encourage both sides of the debate, like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFyu2ru1PCU&t=52s
2) It will always benefit India if her netas first decided to mix the in-house matters, instead of engaging in external fingerpointing. Take for instance the CAA, NRC & NPR issues. For no reason all 3 have been rolled into one & now no one knows what the real issue is all about. And between the 3, the fears are all about the NRC due to the Neolithic manner in which it was carried out in Assam. Consequently, the Govt of India should first have finalised a definitive & foolproof methodology of conducting a nationwide NRC & should have carried out a pilot projects in a few districts before announcing its countrywide implementation. Now the Govt of India is saying that the methodology of implementing a nationwide NRC is still ‘work in progress’. It is this that has led to needless speculation, confrontation, obfuscation & widespread acts of arson & vandalism. This only leads me to state yet again that the best of intentions always become suspect if the methodology is not fully worked-out. This same problem was faced when rolling out the Voter ID cards & Aadhaar UID cards. Then, instead of commencing the process of creating a verifiable NRC (which by itself will take at least 7 years to be completed), these cards were used for doling out wekfare subsidies, thereby negating the very reasons for issuing such cards. Till today no one has given me a convincing answer about how one’s identity can be complete without establishing that’s person’s citizenship. Instead, the Aadhaar UID card contains a statement saying that this document is only proof of identity & not of citizenship, which in turn only portrays India as the world’s laughing stock.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-links-china-s-sikkim-offer-with-middle-sector-map/story-yZE2yhv7oEdnkf9oBXJZuL.html
In reality, there was never any physical exchange of maps by either side. Both sides only SHOWED each other their respective maps & were allowed to glance at them for a brief period, following which the Chinese side was the first to withdraw & roll up its map. The Indian side then followed suit.
https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/general-bipin-rawat-cds-indian-army-6192092/
in the JF17 craft images in the video observed the front wheel landing hydraulics rod is having a led lamp instead traditional , i think such small things with in LCA would definitely help i weight reduction, I believe if they can review for such things across the LCA, it might help in some appreciable weight reduction.
HAL seems like the most powerful dispenser keg in the giant bar of inefficiency that MoD runs to maintain the defence preparedness of the country. cheers to that!
Happy new year sir to u and all followers of this blog
Thanks for your replies Prasun sir.
1) Considering the deal for the BAE mk45 naval Guns has only just been signed, will it affect the delivery schedule of the p15b and P17a ships? Will the ships be inducted in 2021 as scheduled or will they be delayed?
2) Between RF guided and IIR guided SAMs like the versions of VL MICA, which is better for destroying inbound supersonic Anti ship cruise missiles?
3) How many Varunastra torpedoes do the P15a kolkata destroyers carry each?
4) Is it possible to reload the Varunastra at sea, considering it is such a big torpedo or is it necessary to return to port?
Also if it is possible to reload at sea, does the P15a need the help of some other ship like a replenishment vessel to do it or is it possible to do it on its own?
5)Apart from the ATAS, what other improvements are being made on the mid life refit of the talwar batch 1?
6) Which ships in the IN carry the Mareech atds as of now?
7) Considering the proliferation of small fast attack craft and especially future unmanned vessels, are supersonic ASCMs like brahmos and klub or subsonic ones like exocet and harpoon capable of destroying them considering their small size and great speed?
Or is it mandatory to have missiles like sea Griffin to do that?
Happy New year to your family sir.
Dear Prasun,
I have a thick skull and you are completely confusing me. Earlier you had told me that IAF didn't specify MAWS in Tejas Mk1A and Mk1.
1. How will Mk1A fare against others in dissimilar warfare in the absence of MAWS but ASPJ is present?
2. Further, will MWF encompass both ASPJ and MAWS? Please enlighten.
3. Why did IAF give such a concession of MAWS in Mk1A which HAL is developing or modifying?
Sir, Wish you a very happy incoming New Year.
Why on earth iaf took the decision not to fit maws on Mig29? Which Iaf fighters have maws on them then?
PrasunDa,
Stay in good health and achieve greater heights of success. Wishing you and your family a Very Happy 2020.
Best regards,
VIKRAM GUHA
Dada why is that our Rafale is taking too long to come to our land? I know its because iaf wants a half dozen of Rafales to come at once but still is there any other angle to it?
Expecting first post of 2020 on Tejas mk 1A progress, challenges, and where is the need to pull up socks by every agencies 🙂
Asd: tejas mk1 is going to have electronic combat integrated pylon system with jammer from terma,this includes maws as well integrated to the pylon..while tejas mk1a will only have pylon mounted maws from terma while the external jammer pod will be elta 8222 wb jammer..mwf will have integrated ew suite with jammer and maws..earlier prasun sir also confirmed this report.
Prasun sir, a very very happy, prosperous and favulous new year 2020 to u and ur family.
Happy New Year to you, Prasun!
https://mobile.twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/1212192689224970241
Prasun sir, is it some fanboy thing or real one??
Prasun,
- Can you share your views on B'desh & Nepal being pissed over CAA & kalapani. it would help if you can share details on kalapani.
- Huewei given opportunity to do 5g trails in india inspite of it going all out on kashmir issue..why doesn't india use 5g to hit back.. infact china was brazenly threatening india
- Will the CDS have any strategic decision making powers or can he just 'suggest'. Will the babus pf Mod be able to make them irrelevant?
Happy New year sir.
wishing you a happy and healthy new year sir.
Prasun Da,
Wishing you, you family a very happy new year
To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVEL: There’s no more room for weight reduction & it was never an issue. Instead, the deficiency was always about: 1) insufficient internal volume for installing all the mandated mission avionics like internal ASPJ; & 2) WRONGLY drafting the ASQRs for a ‘light’ MRCA, when worldwide since the early 1980s itself the global trend was to forever ditch the LCA & instead adopt the M-MRCA/H-MRCA combination. Thus, it tantamounts to an INTELLECTUAL FAILURE on the part of both the IAF & ADA, and not an engineering or technology failure of any kind.
To RAD: XR-SAM will be a lighter derivative of the PDV. China has given up developing ramjet-powered BVRAAMs & is instead developing LRAAMs using higher energetic propellants. TERMA pylon can host any kind of EW suite (even ‘desi’ ones like elements of the D-29 suite) & any make of MAWS. As for XV-2004, isn’t it laughable that the LRDE & CABS are developing an AESA-MMR for MRCA but have not yet proposed a multi-mode AESA-based maritime search radar at a time when all other OEMs of the world have developed or are developing various types of AESA-based MMRs for different types of applications? It thus appears that the LRDE & CABS are both refusing to make use of ‘sound common sense’.
To ANUP: The very same to you & all your loved ones. The Israeli offer is now under implementation & the same Israeli OEM will also supply OTHR for the IN’s ‘Project Varsha’. The vedeolinks of the IN seminars that I will provide below throw more light on such issues.
To AMIT BISWAS: The very same to you & all your loved ones.
To JAIKISHAN: 1) Definitely the delivery schedules will be affected, since it takes almost 2 years to build such naval guns. 2) RF-guided MR-SAMs are the best option, since supersonic ASCMs are not exactly sea-skimming & are instead diving/top-attack missiles & hence can be picked up by naval active phased-array radars (APAR) from appreciable distances. 3) About 15. 4) Yes. The HWT tubes can rotate on their axis. 5) All the latest EW suites like the Nayan COMINT suite, ORBIT-supplied RUKMANI VSATs for data-linking, Shakti EW suite, Varuna ESM suite & SDR-N radios. 6) Project 15A DDGs & Project 28 ASW corvettes. 7) For that the Kh-35UE ASCM is already in-service. In future, a slightly ‘fatter’ variant of the SFDR-equipped Astra-2 BVRAAM can be developed as a mid-range ASCM.
To ASD: Yes, when the ASQRs were drafted back in the 1980s & again in the late 1990s there was no mention of MAWS. For Tejas Mk.1A the MAWS was specified back in 2016. 1) Both Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A will be able to launch PGMs like Spice-1000/2000 & PopeyeLite (Crystal Maze) at targets across the LoC without endangering themselves by entering hostile/contested airspaces. 2) Yes, had already done that in the thread dedicated to the MWF earlier this year. 3) Because at that time the IAF had not yet decided on specifying a TERMA-type multifunction pylon.
To RAJESH MISHRA: The very same to you & all your loved ones. Meanwhile, a great way for Pakistan to begin the new year:
China Citizen Beats Karachi Traffic Warden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVZvFDRHZn0
To SUMIT SEN: Because when the IAF wanted to upgrade its MiG-29B-12s, the DRDO/DARE had primised to develop a MAWS with ELBIT Systems. But when DRDO/DARE later admitted defeat it was too late to select & specify a MAWS for fear of the entire MiG-29UPG project getting delayed. Hence it was decided to forego the MAWS option. But TERMA-type multifunction pylons can easily be installed on MiG-29UPGs. It takes at least six months for the Rafale’s aircrew & ground crew to achieve a credible degree of equipment familiarisation & operating proficiency. There’s nothing more to it. But before the Rafales arrive, it is far more important to ensure that the flight simulators & maintenance simulators arrive first & are operationalized.
To SUJIT & DILBERT: The very same to you & all your loved ones.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: The very same to you & all your loved ones.
To SUJIT: Incorporation of two turbofans will necessitate the enlargement of air intakes, while the length too will have to be increased like that for the MWF. Therefore, it is is an inaccurate & misleading fanboy artwork.
To JUST_CURIOUS: The Indian CDS will be a strategic player, just like the PA’s COAS is at the moment. Since the CDS will already have a set of pre-wargamed tri-service scenarios designed to respond to any contingency, proposing these to the Cabinet Committee on National Security will be swift & approvals too will be equally swift. Hence, it won’t take 7 or 10 days to punitively respond to a terror-attack on Indian soil as was the case in 2016 & last February.
To VIKRAM GUHA: The very same to you & all your loved ones. Here are some more videoclips of the naval seminar in which a host of topics/issues were addressed. For instance, one of them explains why the KMGT project failed to achieve its objectives, while another from a Greece-based OEM explains not only tactical data-links, but also national data-links & this company is presently working with some Indian OEMs as well in such areas:
Shipbuilding in India https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEePtYbJpgU
Coastal Surveillance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJAvycsqggs
Surveillance & Detection Systems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxeZaSGbVRs
Naval Weapons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vlLmpHPNpI
Autonomous Vehicles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN15E5l--Io
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY5IfqMaeQ
Naval Aviation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFsw0DLi9Qo
Naval Propulsion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9vB4tccxh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuhL8A0QJ_U&t=952s
http://www.gdaee.mil.gr/images/%CE%93%CE%94%CE%91%CE%95%CE%95/%CE%94%CE%91%CE%95%CE%A4%CE%95/HELDIC/ISI.pdf
To ABHI RATHORE: All BEL-built products have minimum 20% to 26% import content. All BEML-made products have 15.87% to 25.48% import content. HAL-made products have import content ranging from 40% to 60%.
High Resolution Binocular 93.06% Indigenous Content
T-90S MBT 78.50% Indigenous Content
AK-630M Naval Gun System 92.78% Indigenous Content
440mm PFFC (Pre Fragmented Franging Cubes) Ammunition 86.00% Indigenous Content
Pinaka-1 Rocket Nil
Bi-Modular Charge System for 155mm Ammunition Nil Imports
105mm Artillery Gun Nil Imports
BMP-II ICV 3% Import Content
Dhanush-45 16% Import Content
All kind of Rifles and Small Arms i.e. INSAS, LMG, Assault Rifle 7.62 x 39mm GHATAK etc. Nil Import Content
Akash-1 E-SHORADS 4% Import Content
TAL Torpedo 3% Import Content
Konkurs-M ATGM 10% Import Content
INVAR ATGM 21.4% Import Content
Milan -2T ATGM 29% Import Content
‘Extreme Cold Weather Clothing System’ which falls under the category of SCME (Special Clothing and Mountaineering Equipment) items invariably required by Armed Forces 80% Imported
Warship Float 90% Indigenous, Warship Move 59% Indigenous, Warship Fight 30% Indigenisation
6 CGOPVs 38% Import Content
5 CGOPVs 26% Import Content
10T BP Tugs (6 Nos) 66% Indigenous 34% Imports
Support Vessel (11184) 80% Indigenous 20% Imports
Pontoons for SPVs (2 Nos) 100% Indigenous
Berthing Pontoons (2 Nos) 100% Indigenous
Diving Support Vessel (2 Nos) Target: 30% Imports
50T BP Tugs for (4 Nos) Target: 30% Imports
Project 17 FFG 48% Import Content
Project 15A DDGs 41% Import Content
Project 15B DDGs 28% Import Content
Project 17A FFGs 25% Import Content
Project 75 Submarines 50% Import Content
Su-30MKI 40% Import Content
Tejas Mk.1 40% Import Content
Dhruv ALH 46% Import Content
Do-228 60% Import Content
Su-30MKI 15-20% of TTGE has been indigenised
MiG-21 20-25% of TTGE has been indigenised
MiG-23/27 30-35% of TTGE has been indigenised
MiG-29 100% of ARS has been indigenised and 80% of GHE/GSE has been indigenised
An-32 98% of ARS items are indigenised and 99% of mandatory items for overhaul of aircraft are indigenised. Presently total approx. 8,500 (earlier it was 5,000) lines of An-32B spares are indigenised.
IL-76MD/78 80% of TTGE are indigenised, 65% of ARS items are indigenised, 55% of ARS items are indigenised
Jaguar 52% (earlier 40-45%) of ARS items are indigenised
LCA Major components like engine, radar, ejection seat etc have been sourced from foreign vendors. Most of the TTGE is indigenised.
CTK/CTH/CTL 80-85% TTGE are indigenised
Do-228 65% TTGE are indigenised.
HS-748 AVRO 85% TTGE are indigenised
https://twitter.com/State_SCA/status/1211723502455263232?s=20
Strange but why us amassador nd state dept tweeting about indias CDS appointment...i mean is it not kind of interference to internal matter
Today, iaf tweeted about resurrection of 222 squadron with SU-30.
At which base it was done?
HNY Dada. When will IA and IAF start receiving Barak-8? Also,would it not be better to develop 350 km version of Barak-8 to save cost and time instead of developing a totally new XRSAM?
So that was the hilarious way of the China greeting the Pakistan on the eve of happy new year.
Happy New Year sir ..
Wish you a lot of reading and prosperity to your family and rich blogs of yours to your reader.
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/gen-rawat-proposes-setting-up-of-an-integrated-air-defence-command-and-common-logistics-for-armed-forces/articleshow/73074338.cms
How you see this 1st step ....
PrasunDa,
Thanks for sharing. So, India purchases Tactical Data Links even from Greek companies. Interesting.
But also highlights the lack of skills/capabilities in India that prevents us from designing similar devices.
Is it possible that HAL may power it's production version of LCH n LUH with HTSE-1200 engine varients?? Or will it needed to be fully recertified for that engine operation??
To AMIT BISWAS: What’s so strange or intruiging or mysterious or suspicious? Maldives was the first to congratulate. Congratulations will flow in from all friendly countries.
To PARVESH: AFS Hasimara in northern WB. The conversion process had begun way back in 2018.
To KAPIL: From this year-end. The contract after all was inked only 2 years ago & the IN’s orders have yet to be fulfilled in full.
To RAJESH: More is on the way. For instance, both KSA & UAE have told Pakistan that if it wants to rake up issues related to J & K or Indian Muslims, then it must unconditionally agree to India to becoming a full-fledged member of the OIC. Now Pakistan is in a fix & has gotten entangled in its own spider’s web that it had spun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3Jl46XWTg
To BUDDHA: And the very same to you & all your loved ones. The ADC is but one of several such tri-services nodes being planned for enhanced battlespace situational awareness. I have been working on them since 2016 & will explain it all in detail in a future thread after DEFEXPO-2020.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: Only a new engine is reqd to be certified for airworthiness & after about 800 hours of flight-tests, the same engine can then be flown on different helicopter-types for about 40 hours. And these are the 2 reports that explain how the MiG-27 upgrade project was sabotaged:
https://www.indiatoday.in/latest-headlines/story/cag-questions-iafs-efforts-to-upgrade-mig-27-fighters-23679-2008-03-16
https://cag.gov.in/sites/default/files/audit_report_files/Union_Compliance_Defence_Air_force_Navy_4_2014_Chapter_2.pdf
Dear Prasun,
Wishing you a very happy and prosperous new year 2020. Further to your above reply will AFS Hasimara be home to both Su30mki and Rafale with one squadron each? They will be quiet a pair isn't it?
Sir,
which sukhoi squadron number is located at Tanjavyur afs?
Why not base sukhois at shrinagar? any future plan?
Dear Prasun,
Thanks for your reply for RVS Mani Video.
Looks like RSS & Subraminam Swamy are just blindly painting that Mumbai Attack is
done by ISI & Congress to fool the Indian Public. Now Fake News is a Modern Day Weapon used in today's Politics.
Two New Events happened recently in Middle East
1. Turkey's parliament approves military deployment to Libya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6607oyU6rYU&t=28s
Now Modern day Sultan Turkish Erdogan want to Show his power in Muslim World.
2. Report: Top Iranian general killed in US air strike on Baghdad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sthVmGSFwhQ
Quds Force General Qassem Soleimani has been killed by a US air strike on Baghdad.
Will Iran try to Kill American Generals for Revenge.
Please comments.
Regards
Senthil Kumar
Prasun Da,
"The game has changed," Defense Secretary Mark Esper said after the death of Qasem Soleimani.
Is it a turning point? What will happen next?
Oh ok Thanks for info sir. MiG 27 to congress k fund na release krne ki problem ka shikar hua else if 2005 mei upgrade start ho jata esp engine section to bhadia udta safely.
Khair aircraft is retired now. So it's over. Hope jaguar gets new life by max upgrade n may it get a sufficiently good engine. I don't know if it will get new engine or not as htfe-25 has thoda a improvement potential n jag needs at least 40kn per engine afterburner thrust in upgradation.
1) solaimani killed, what's your assessment? New war on horizon or just a covert war?? Or maybe US may loose someone of equal level.
2) petrol k price ooper jayenge??
3) whenever u make a new thread after DEFEXPO-2020 on ADC etc i request you to include information about all other such nodes under consideration or under being developed. Also equipment gonna be part of them. N also it's affect (if done in short time frame) on upcoming op POK.
thanks
Thanks for the previous replies sir.
1) Since most of the ASCMs that the Pakistan Navy uses is subsonic sea skimming, will the Barak 8 - MF STAR system be able to shoot them down?
Since the Barak 8 is radar guided and not IIR?
2) Why is it that we conduct so many tests for the Brahmos? Over 60 tests in the last 18 years! Isn't it a waste of money? Even the Agni missiles are test fired just a handful of times.
3) How many Barak 8 have been ordered by the IN so far and how many have so far been delivered?
4) During peace time are IN warships armed with their missiles? If so are they fully armed or only partly?
5) Any plans of replacing the turret launched Shtil missiles on IN ships with any form of VLS?
6) What retaliation do you expect from Iran after the killing of general suleimani?
7) How is India's strategic oil reserves progressing? How many days oil reserve do we have as of now?
8) Although not ideal, is the Brahmos capable of destroying super fast FACs like the british blade runner 51 and its Iranian knock off? Or are supersonic missiles at any sort of disadvantage against such boats?
PrasunDa,
Today, Modi inaugurated 5 DRDO labs. Each lab will specialize in one core technology. Jadavpur University will specialize in Assymetric Technologies .
Please shed some light on what technologies are being referred to as Assymetric Technologies.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/pm-modi-inaugurates-five-high-tech-drdo-labs-where-everyone-is-under-35-120010201072_1.html
Thank You
Now will the Iran Target Saudi Arab? Please reply.
Prasun da
The first major news after taking over CDS by Gen Rawat is about ADC. Tell us more about ADC what is expected out of it, what all must be part of ADC, why this discussion now ( i do not recollect any discussion on this in recent times even after Kargil or Balakot), what about an extension of it the Space def command (I am sure in a decade we will need this) This must not have been the first time such discussion must have happened and what happened in past
Sir do you think India requires Internal security or Homeland security ministry which will control and head all Central armed police force and investigation agency under home Ministry ...
You have correctly said that you were chasing the CDS since many more years. So now you should be be thanked by all including me. Many Thanx.
As you said that now you are preparing your suggestions for ADC. I suggest that you should also keep the overall tasks in the order of the priorities with plausible justifications. I think those of yours few words will do magics that were long needed.
Prasunda, my messages are not appearing in your blog. Not sure why.
Wanted to wish you and your family a very happy new year. Wishing you success in 2020 and beyond.
Just had one question about scientists in India. Is it true that after independence some of the best scientists came to India from Bangladesh and several of them working in defence settled in Hyderabad?
Prasun da, is India also developing hypersonic glide vehicle like Avangard? If not, should we not start work on it?
hi prasun
why is the awacs so costly to design ie 9000 crore ie approx 1.3 bill$ ? Given our cheap labour and already invested money on the hardware and software? whta do you think will be the mainhurdles on the a330 awacs?
will it be better of to mount a big array as like the global eye from SAAB.?
it seems that the triangular array face of one side is going to be smaller than the global eye array ,?
The air chief was not averse of the c295 awacs as well, what made his say so ?lack of awacs?.
The smart torpedo project ie asroc, that uses a rocket to launch it to distance a reality or a fan boy art?
dont you think if any oic country condemns india for CAA then they should be ready to take them.?
why was rthe IAF resisting ADC ?
Has the Special operatoin command of all special forces taken off?.
Sir,
please see these links
https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/1212936606685904896?s=20
http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/11/18/the-indian-navy-and-drdo-move-on-from-the-nlca-mk2-to-the-twin-engine-deck-based-fighter-tedbf/
What is this ORCA, TEDBF, Double engine Tejas ?
All bundle baazes talking of ORCA/TEDBF etc. Mob mentality. Paise kon dega? Inka baap? N litrally koi baht bade level ka chewtia hoga jo 5th gen jet k zamane mei 4th gen ko scratch se develop krega.
I request you to kindly send a msg to ADA/HAL that ullu na bano sidha focus on MWF powered by 116KN engine n on your AMCA. I hope navy doesn't go into this trap n simply ask them to go for carrier based AMCA.
Litrally twitter, YouTube etc hr jgh drama faila rkha or ek vo HAL ka test pilot that guy tweeted image on 1st January bs tab se hutiapa shuru.
Why can't they simply figure it out that it is not economical?? Itne gadhe hai kya?? Ya fir they wanna make money on its name?? Chal kya raha hai pls bataiye
Sir, why is the max speed of Barak-8 limited to only mach 2 when comparable missiles can go upto mach 4? Does it make Barak-8 less effective? Can the speed of the missile be increased? Also, will IA and IAF have 100km version or the ER version with 150km range?
The jaguar engine deal is off, The print reports.
1. Does it make sense to continue Darin III upgrade ?
2. Will Jaguars be retired earlier ?
3. What are options to replace the squadrons ? It needs to be additional Sukhois or selected MMRCA aircraft.
Regards
Venky
Dada Some queries-
1.You said hashimara afb will be house of both Su 30 mki and Rafale but another news got surfaced that 'tigersharks' squadron will be based in thanjavur in the South.
2. Why we were taking so much time on signing the 'Super' Su30mki, MH60 Romeo helicopter deals?
3. We need a decent tanker aircraft just like we need more Awacs but why we have tangled ourselves in these two sectors?
To VED: The very same to you & all your loved ones. The IAF’s CAS has already stated that the IAF will use the Rafales & Su-30MKIs as a lethal combination.
To PARVESH: The Su-30MKIs at Thanjavur only form a detachment & it is not a full squadron. Srinagar doesn’t have NG-HAS. Hence, better to have the Su-30MKIs at Avantipora.
To SENTHIL KUMAR: yes, the entire Middle east is poised tfo unravel yet again. But everyone knows that Iran is not a military power & will therefore not engage in full-contact conventional warfare. Instead, it will increase the intensdity of its proxy wars in areas like Lebanon & Yemen. The aftershocks, though, will be felt in countries housing sizeable Shia communities, like Afghanistan, Pakistan & even India. Pakistan has no other choice but to back the US & its Arab allies, which in turn will force the Iranians to up the ante against Pakistan both directly & indirectly via Afghanistan. This can well create a lot of unrest in Gilgit-Baltistan in PoK & even in areas like Kargil to some extent in India.
To SUVO: What it means is that the US wants the total capitulation of Iran, as I had stated months earlier.
To ASHISH GAUTAM: HTFE-25 is at least another decade away. The ADC is not a Command per se, but the digital synchronisation of the IFF protocols of the IA, IAF & IN, i.e. a tri-services national secure mode.
To JAIKISHAN: 1) Leave alone the Barak-8, even the Barak-1 can shoot down C-802A & Harba ASCMs of the type possessed by the PN. 2) There are 2 types of tests: experimental tests that test out new seekers or navigational software; & periodic tests from different types of launchers & platforms during their warranty periods. 3) About 200 have been ordered & more than 80 have been delivered. 4) Not all warships are fully armed during peacetime. Only those that are forward-deployed are fully-armed. 5) The Barak-8s will eventually replace them on board domestically-built warships. The Russia-built warships will continue to use Shtil-1s. 6) It will be asymmetric retaliation because Iran is not a conventional military power. 7) As of now the reserves can last for only 10 days. 8) BrahMos-1s cannot be used for such manoeuvring targets. Smaller & sleeker missiles are reqd, like Brimstone or Hellfire.
To VIKRAM GUHA: Simply put, asymmetric technologies are those that are applied when waging non-contact warfare, like offensive cyber warfare operations aimed at causing disruptions in one’s public utility services.
To RAJESH MISHRA: No, not Saudi Arabia, but maybe in Yemen or Lebanon.
To SANJAY: The ADC is not a Command per se, but the digital synchronisation of the IFF protocols of the IA, IAF & IN, i.e. a tri-services national secure mode. Hence, by using SDRs, all the manned & unmanned platdforms of the 3 services will be able to communicate with one another, as will the ground-based air-defence systems of each armed service.
To BUDDHA: The MHA already functions in that manner, but the digital databases & communications protocols are not in place, like NATGRID. IN the meantime, do watch this:
Search for Netaji: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q75ePeOg2fk
And here’s a very good & informative book to read:
https://www.amazon.in/Great-Game-Buddhist-Himalayas-Strategic/dp/0670091391/ref=pd_rhf_se_s_bmx_0_16?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0670091391&pd_rd_r=35b60358-97a8-40ce-9274-43452a951be3&pd_rd_w=Bjqtu&pd_rd_wg=bulMn&pf_rd_p=65a2b3b4-c6ee-481d-84c0-06fec97024ff&pf_rd_r=AZCVZASR1AH4H5698G9T&psc=1&refRID=AZCVZASR1AH4H5698G9T
To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: And the very same to you & all your loved ones. Let us say that such scientists & technocrats came from the erstwhile undivided Bengal, which had benefitted from both the East India Co & later the colonial administration making Kolkata the capital ebore the construction of Lutyens’ Delhi.
To KAPIL: No, there is no project to develop any hypersonic kill-vehicle as yet.
To RAD: Because the cost includes the procurement cost of the 2 heavily-modified A330-200 aircraft from Airbuis Military. The radome on these aircraft will each host a four-array AESA antenna. The DRDO is developing a missile-delivered torpedo. How can any OIC member-state condemn India while at the same time denying India the right to become an OIC member? The tri-services SOF Command is already operational under an IA Maj Gen.
To VARUN KUMAR & ANUP & ASHISH GAUTAM: LoLz! Fanboy artwork, rest assured. As I had stated earlier, all these things come out in December & January when institutional lobbying is at its peak for the next fiscal year’s budgetary resources. But a quick glance of those images will reveal that the fuselage has not been stretched by 1 metre, while the MWF’s scale-model has been. So, that’s the first mistake of the fanboys. Secondly, the air-intakes of any twion-engined MWF will have to be far bigger than what is shown. In fact, the twin-engined MWF or TEDBF will require rectangular air-intakes of the type that are on the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.
To VARUN: Because different missiles have different max speeds for countering different types of targets. After all, an enemy combat aircraft launching either subsonic or supersonic ASCMs will never be cruising at Mach 4 or even Mach 1. Instead, it will be flying at high subsonic speeds.
To VENKY: The situation can change once the IAF begins to acquire more operational experience wity the DARIN-3 avionics suite.
To SUMIT SEN: You must be referring to this:
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2020/01/04/sukhoi-head-south-iaf-to-base-long-range-fighter-at-thanjavur.html
In reality, Thanjavur had begun receiving Su-30MKIs back in 2013. Here’s that report:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/antony-to-inaugurate-su-30-squadron-at-thanjavur-air-base/articleshow/20272913.cms
Also, GoogleEarth imagery clearly shows Thanjavur air base having only eight aircraft shelters. What this means is that Thanjavur has since 2013 used by the IAF for operational conversions to the Su-30MKI. Any whenever the first 8 aircraft become available, a quadron starts converting to it. Without the bare minimum of 8, no squadron begins re-equipping. Hence, Thanjavur is the base where the re-equipping begins, but it does not mean that a re-equipped squadron will make Thanjavur its permanent home base.
but in future a squardon will be permanently posted in tanjavyur afs?
The google imagery shows 9 more shelter under construction and 2 large maintenance hangers too. also 2 HAS being constructed. All this for what?
Prasunda i am eagerly waiting for your analysis of current situation in Iraq and Iran.
My brother is working in Basra oil field with an American oil major. Has been evacuated now. There were lot of Indians working here.
What is your assessment and prediction about us-iraq relation.
Please reply. Will appreciate if you can do a new thread about the current situation in Iraq.
Best regards.
Happy New Year all.
One thing is clear, the rapidly dwindling number of aircraft in air force. Why not order more Tejas now? Surely these are more advanced than the MIG23/27/21Bis and the Jags. Upgrade these as we acquire the various tecks for it like MAWS etc...?
The JF-17 BLKIII you said has MAWS, I though even BlK I & II had MAWS in the rear? The new addition seems to be forward facing....what advantage does this give?
Have the Chinese really developed an ASEA for their J-10s/J-17s has reported or is this just smoke and mirrors?
RAT2
Sir,
1)As per your reply to Mr.Rad.DRDO using four-array AESA antenna.
But last time you mention all over the world they are using three-array AESA antenna.
2)I have uploaded one image (https://ibb.co/vVDbmS0) for Project 17A. Which Radar MDL/IN using?
Prasun,
Firstly a very happy new year to you and to your loved ones!Excellent information as usual.Please let me know the following
1)Takeaways from the 2+2 dialogue,
2)Has a deal for addl two AWAC's from Israel been signed!
3)When is the deal for the F21 torpedoes likely to be signed?
4)Rhetorics apart what is the rough estimate for PoK recapture?
5)Are addl Rafales going to be contracted for?
6)Any addl Scorpenes for the Navy?
7)Is the F/A18 in contention for the Navy or Air Force?
8)Is the Laika design going to be used for our SSN's?
9)What is the status of the BECA agreement?
PrasunDa,
Was reading your latest colum in Force magazine and came across this interesting para
http://forceindia.net/cover-story/realise-the-shortcomings/
" Following final selection of the lowest bidder, or L-1, the winner will be awarded a contract to build 100 of the 150 ATAGS (costing USD524 million), while the L-2 runner-up will be contracted for producing the remaining 50 under India’s first-ever public-private partnership (PPP) project"
So does this mean there will be no loser in the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) project? Just that L1 will build 100 ATAGS and L2 will build 50 ATAGS ?
As ever, thank you
What national TV channels of India are not showing: Shias of J & K and Leh protesting against the killing of Qasem Soleimani:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD_0EWUBLBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9bJltO5JX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQUSBnpvB-A
wow, this is quite a support/influence.
https://www.altnews.in/video-of-abvp-member-assaulting-aisa-student-shared-by-journalists-as-left-parties-attacking-abvp/
“What national TV channels of India are not showing: Shias of J & K and Leh protesting against the killing of Qasem Soleimani:”
Why they are not reporting because there are more pressing issues going in India today like JNU attacks ,etc
Kolla
Prasun,
Now the russians pressing for a retrail of air defence systems... open bid thing never works for India..period. so far all such attempts have either got delayed indefinitely or have been aborted... simply put.. we should just stick with G2G deals which is simple straight and no room to cry wolf.. everyone goes home happy...
Prasun Da,
Given the fact that in the trials both the Russian systems (Pantsir & Tunguska) as well as the South Korean K 30 Biho could not fulfill all the requirements set forth by the Army is it possible to develop a similar system in house?
Does DRDO have the capability to develop similar systems? If no, what are the technologies, that are missing ?
https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/indian-army-to-add-more-firepower-indigenous-spad-gms-to-replace-obsolete-guns/1815848/
Lol only in India the opposition is moronic enough to support radical leftists hoping to beat down the govt and media is moronic enough to portray a university brawl as prime time news. It will only make bjp stronger. But these leftist idiots refuse to learn.
To PARVESH: There will be no permament squadron based at Thanjavur. The squadrons will just keep rotating from Thanjavur for undergoing the flight conversion process & hence all related ground infrastructure reqd for such squadrons are coming up there. But if the need arises in future, a fully operational sqn of Su-30MKIs can always be deployed there since all related ground infrastructure specific to the Su-30MKI will already be available there. In fact, Thanjavur has enough surplus land available for converting that air base into something like a dedicated test & evaluation base like the USAF’s Edwards AFB, where all experimental flying takes place. Even the ASTE ought to be relocated there along with the National Flight-Test Centre (NFTC), since the ASTE & NFTC always have to work together. Similarly, the Sulir air base can serve as the operational conversion base for all homegrown MRCAs like those of the Tejas family & the MWF family.
To HARSH KUMAR: More than what I have to say, here are 2 excellent assessments of what’s going on in that area, especially Iraq:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTPKJtPWNRQ&t=28s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuN8QWymUk
To RAT 2: No one places an order for a product that is still under development. Only after receiving its certificate of airworthiness as a fully weaponised platform can any combat aircraft embark upon the IOC & FOC flight conversion process. JF-17 Blocks-1 & -2 also had rearward-facing MAWS, just like the PLAAF’s J-11A/B variants. But such fitments are only effective against those SRAAMs that are not all-aspect in terms of navigation & guidance mode, like the AIM-9S-type & PL-5 & PL-9. The F-16C/D & A/B of the PAF too don’t have MAWS fitments. Hence, for any MRCA to be appreciably survivable, full 360-degree hemispheric coverage is imperative & hence ideally 6 MAWS sensors are reqd to be installed in various portions of the airframe so that advance warning of inbound all-aspect SRAAMs like R-73E or Python-5 can be generated in the frontal FoV, rearward FoV, upward FoV, downward FoV & the portside & starboard FoV.
To ANUP: 1) 3-array antenna is good for rotating–type antenna inside the radome, but when a fixed-array architecture is reqd, 4 antenna arrays become necessary. 2) I had already explained it here:
LTR-25 L-band air/surface search radar from INDRA of Spain:
https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2018/09/pgms-being-developed-by-drdo.html
All warships essentially require 2 types of radars, S-band & L-band. In India’s case the MF-STAR is S-band & hence an L-band radar was also reqd.
To THE INDIAN: And the very same to you & all your loved ones. 1) It was a dialoguie, i.e. exchange of ideas & concepts & visions. Only after both parties have such exchanges are policy guidelines drafted in the months ahead. 2) Not yet. 3) When the F-21 gets fully certified. It is still undergoing development. 4) When the residents of PoK have had enough & just like East Pakistan the local populace there rises up in great majority against Pakistan’s occupation. 5) No. 6) No decision as yet. 7) For the IN. 8) No. 9) Still being negotiated.
o JUST_CURIOUS: 1) Not quite, since the Iranians were puching way above their weight category, for instance by continuing to prop-up entities like Hezbollah, whose use is no longer reqd after Israel vacated all the land it had occupied in southern Lebanon back in the year 2000. 2) No one wants any mediation on this issue which is 1,400 years old. Anyone who tries to will be rebuffed by the various antagonists, rest assured. 3) Qatar has no choice but to flow with the winds, since it essentially is a city-state & has no hinterland. 4) Pakistan has more to worry than anyone else because: 1) the never-ending global Sunni-Shia sectarian feud. 2) Antagonising the global Sikh Khalsa brotherhood with what recently transpired in Nankana Sahib. If matters continue to deteriorate in case of the latter, the IA & IAF must be prepared with contingency plans for humanitarian interventions with IBGs to secure Nankana Sahib, Sri Kartarpur & Umerkot.
To SUJOY MAJUMDAR & JUST_CURIOUS: This is a classic case of the armed services functioning in compartmentalised silos. Sound common-sense would have suggested that a unitary land-mobile SPAAG system be specified by all 3 armed services & the RFP ought to have been issued by HQ IDS. Instead, the exact opposite has happened & now the IA wants 104 SPAAGS while the IAF wants 76 of them. And both of them conducted their own individual evaluations & have since reached different conclusions. Ideally, All 3 armed services should have insisted on the BMP-2’s hull on which to mount a compliant turret & use a 400hp diesel engine as the powerplant. Next, to promote commonality, a turret similar to that of the 2S2 Tunguska should have been designed by CVRDE but using the same twin cannons as that of the Tunguska by procuring them from Ruaaia. Thirdly, this should have served as the FCR:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QxxW_0g3owY/XG_TvHDJtVI/AAAAAAAAQyw/GS5EdKZGcKUyYO-utkaGwX0yQyma9s9FwCLcBGAs/s1600/Atulya%2BADFCR%2Bfor%2BIA%2BAAA%2BRegiments.jpg
Or, another alternative would have been to develop a turret-stabilised but rotating version of the ‘Uttam’ AESA-MMR to serve as a multifunction search & track radar. Why such homegrown architectures refuse to evolve or be considered is beyond my imagination.
To PRATAP: That’s precisely why they are the incurable irreconcilables.
To VIKRAM GUHA: Yes, that’s correct, since this is one way of the IA subsidising the developmental costs of such new-generation weapons. Meanwhile, just as I had predicted, the following were passed together yesterday:
PA Amendment Act 2020 http://www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1578042355_531.pdf
PN Amendment Act http://www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1578042557_594.pdf
PAF Amendment Act http://www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1578042443_542.pdf
All 3 had to be amended at the same time, otherwise it would have led to frictions between the 3 armed services of Pakistan & in fact, such frictions had existed in the past too. But as a sad consequence of the above, Ret’d Col Inam ur Raheem, who has been singlehandedly crusading against service tenure extensions since 2008, was abducted on December 15 last year by the ISI & is now facing trial for treason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvnuwzJMl0M&t=66s
And the MNA who voted against the ammendments yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWbpiVJXxTs
PAF FT-7P Crashed Yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzmFOA19Ss
Ret'd ACM B S Dhanoa in Mumbai IIT on the past, present & future of the IAF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgxTmHw1jTc
Sir,
THE WEEK (january 5)reported that P8I aircrafts provided intelligence on Jem terror camps for IAF in the balakot air strike is it true
Joseph Jiju Alex
Prasunda, thanks for providing the detailed explanation. Just saw this Defence Expo related tweet of MoD
https://twitter.com/DefExpoIndia/status/1214789282063208448?s=20
As you can see in this picture (extreme right) there is already an indigenous air defence system that looks similar to Tunguska I think.Yet Army, Air Force wants foreign systems with similar functionalities.
Yet Army,AF are suggesting that foreign analogues are superior in capability. Maybe too a certain extent they are correct but they won't specify why foreign designs are technologically superior
If not tanjavur then where new squadrons of su 30 shall be based after hashimara.
How many squadrons have been formed till now? order of 272 planes will lead to how many squadrons?
I read 21 planes per squadron but somewhere you write 18 plane per squadron. What is correct
Sir, in gulf war Patriot failed to destroy Scud missiles. Saudi Arabia's American SAMs also failed against Houti missiles. Did US SAMs again failed to knock down Iranian missiles?
-"humanitarian interventions with IBGs to secure Nankana Sahib, Sri Kartarpur & Umerkot"-
Sir, you are talking as if India is the USA or Russia. India is yet to learn how to punch as per its weight.
With the current internal situation India will never initiate anything related to PoK which is a legal India territory and you are suggesting to rest their sovereign territory across IB.
Pehle LoC toh sambhle inse.
Dear Prasun,
What's your view on the recent news article by the Print about readiness of DRDO developed air defence system? Is it true. I know it's not. Still I want yours.
To UNKNOWN/Joseph Jiju Alex: P-8Is were used for SIGINT purposes only in 2017 during the Doklam Standoff. The IN had no role to play in late February 2019.
To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: What you have referred to is this, which was unveiled at the Aero India 2015 expo:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UdXbPqIQXO4/URgKgy9QHzI/AAAAAAAAD8U/08GeSBPbXD0/s1600/BEL's+ZSU-23-4+Schilka+Upgrade+Package.jpg
Meanwhile, the LMG procurement effort seems to be gaining traction:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/adani-buys-unit-in-gwalior-to-enter-small-arms-business/articleshow/73147568.cms?utm_source=twitter_pwa&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialsharebuttons&from=mdr
To PARVESH: There are several options in western & northern India. Each sqn has 18 combat aircraft & so you just divide the total fleet strength no with 28 & you will get the sqn strengths.
To AYUSH: Most of the BSMs missed their targets. One landed 50km away from its target. The missiles fired were the Fateh 110 with 350km-range & Qiam with 800km range. Here is one of the impact areas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e7i2dpE2lY
In fact, by informing the Iraqis in advance about the missile-strikes, the US too got forewarned & hence it appears that Iran’s intention was to score a propaganda point, instead of conducting a true military counter-strike. In fact, it remains to be seen if the missiles were even carrying explosive warheads.
To DASHU: I wasn;t talking about India taking any such deliberate step, but referring to the prospect of the Khalsa Brotherhood commandeering certain formations & undertaking a ‘humanitarian intervention’.
To ASD: As I had stated a few times before, this is the time to lobby for funds from the next fiscal year’s defence budget that is now being finalised & hence all such news-reports have to be viewed in this light.
Prasunda,
Your point a point there on the issue that "by informing the Iraqis in advance about the missile-strikes, the US too got forewarned & hence it appears that Iran’s intention was to score a point" and that it has capability to cause serious damage in case of escalation.
But the strikes did have pin-point precision, even if a misslile or 2 may have landed elsewhere.
https://www.rt.com/news/477773-satellite-iran-attack-damage/
Here is the link to the strike from satellite picture where the missiles have hit with pin-point accuracy and flatened several structures bang in the middle of the Airbase. As the pictures show some of the structures are completely flattened. As in this one, here...
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.01/original/5e167cf12030274e29401543.JPG
The pictures are from AFP / Planet Labs (Of Princeton University)
Kane
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/narendra-modi-fifth-biggest-geo-political-risk-of-2020-eurasia-group-report/amp-11578495600766.html
What do you think of this article ?
Ron
In your post in 2012 and later comments, U had said that no 17 squadron was equipped with su 30 and based in bhatinda. but recently it was reactivated for Rafale jets.
were u misinformed? Can u please clarify current squadrons equipped with su 30. 106 squadron is shown by wikipedia with su 30 but somewhere it is mentioned number plated. very much confusion by desi media about su 30 numbers and squadrons>
sometime they create confusion by claiming only 28 squadron but iaf says 31? whom to belive.
Request u to post a latest update on your blog and clear the confusion for the citizens of this country. i have good faith in our forces.
Dear Prasun,
1. Any update about integrating single barrel gun with Tejas Mk1A?
2. Any update about Helina missile development and it's integration with Rudra and LCH?
3. LCH and LUH development update?
4. Is India out of FGFA programme completely? If so, is the fifth generation aircraft will be the solely the HAL developed bad aircraft? Your view please.
PrasunDa,
In reply to a fellow poster you wrote that this is the time to lobby for funds from the next fiscal year’s defence budget that is now being finalised.
Along this line, what do you think will the procurement pattern of the Navy and Coast Guard look like? Some are saying the first purchase will be MH 60 helicopters, others are saying SAM for ships.
Please shed some light.
Many Thanks
To KANE: LoLz! How can anyone label them as pinpoint strikes when Iran had claimed that it had targetted barracks that accommodated US military personnel? All the images clearly show damge down to only rapidly-deployable inflatable aircraft shelters. In no way does this constitute pinpoint strike.
To RON: It is over-blown & over-simplified.
To PARVESH: That was the plan of IAF HQ as of 2012. Subsequently, when a new CAS comes to office, such plans are often modified & therefore what was valid for 2012 cannot stay constant as of now. IAF never said 31, but 29.
To ASD: No latest updates at all for all those platforms. HAL has not been appointed as the prime developmental authority for any MRCA. ADA handles all such activities.
To VIKRAM GUHA: In reality, the ICGS is inducted far greater nos of vessels every year than the IN. Consequently, the ICGS is in far better shape than the IN. To make matters worse, private shipyards that had won contracts in the past have gone bankrupt & hence the five catamaran survey vessels, a training frigate & five NOPvs have not been delivered. SAMs for warships have already been ordered. The pending orders are for the MH-60R NMRHs & 10 additional P-8Is & Sea Guardian MALE-UAVs. But one must bear in mind that when one talks about the IN’s annual budget, it needs to be noted that the budget DOES NOT include funds allocated for acquiring SSBNs or for leasing the 1 existing Project 970 SSGN. These funds come under the allocated funds allocated for the DRDO & DAE. So, it will wrong to portray the IN’s share of the defence budget as amounting to less than 18%.
60th Anniversary of President Eisenhower’s Historic Visit to India:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drEU2BIblBE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R1hhsvTpDA4&t=2s
Modi govt should allow fiscal deficit to slip by 1 per cent : Pronab Sen
Sir is situation on economic front is moving in dark alleys ....
Dear Prasun,
You have earlier vowed for F-21 aircraft for MMRCA 2.0. Why not MiG-35 as there will be commonality with MiG-29UPG. Just like Mirage-2000 and Rafale. It will also decrease the diversity of aircrafts inventory.Please enlighten me.
Extremely damning revelations from telephone conversation transcripts (between the former Malaysian PM & the UAE's Crown Prince) released by the Govt of Malaysia regarding the 1MDB scandal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8WitJi1Io&t=26s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QElCiufg_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdXJbauBIRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCrsWuoabZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BByIptV4L0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJCpVPX0sUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26xNo5FFd10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77_iQDVSIHU
Prasunda,
My comment was mis-written while writing on the mobile, hence you may have misunderstood my point.
The skynews Video that you linked showed a missile hit in an empty field and you mentioned that most missiles did not hit the target.
My point was the missile did hit the US airbase directly in the middle of aircraft hangers and shelters, hence pinpoint. What the intention of the missiles is - vis-a-vis the exlosives carried by them - is a geopolitical decision taken by Iran. If the explosives were minimum or the damage that was intended was minimum was not my point. Otherwise it is like Pakistan saying there were 4 small holes in the tin roof of Balakot terrorist training base, hence no damage done and India failed.
And these pictures show they were pinpoint accurate. In fact in this picture the right most flattened building does not look like a temporary hanger as there is now runway taxi showing from the building. Must have been a building for personnel and/or equipment. https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.01/original/5e167ed02030274c1c63639d.jpg
The fact that both Iran and US wanted to de-escalate after Sulaimani's assasination strike by US and Irans reply with these missile attack "demonstrations".
One answer to a question that would be of intererst is... Would Sulaimani's strike and the excuse that US gave in UN; could the same be used by India as a precedence if it later decides to strike Pakistani Generals. If India would actually do that is a moot point.
Kane
Dear Sir,
Thank you for the reply, much much appreciated. Could all-aspect MAWs be fitted onto the Su-30s and could they be indigenous? if so would we need the source codes for integration?
What role do you think India will play/is playing, in the current west asia situation?
or have we been completely ignored as some our analysts are saying.
RAT2
PrasunDa,
(1) This means the Navy has already ordered SAMs for their ships ?Just last year there were talks that Navy is scouting for new SAMs and there are offers from MBDA, Israel, South Korea and Russia
(2) Will these SAMs be fitted to both Frigates and Destroyers or will we see new SAM for the upcoming Frigates and Destroyers?
Thank You
Also PrasunDa, why should you be the only individual sharing the recent news ;)
Give as opportunity too - " Evasive balancing: India's unviable Indo-Pacific strategy"
Among other things the author argues that Agni 5 is not enough to deter China
https://academic.oup.com/ia/article/96/1/75/5697517
To KANE: There’s no misunderstanding. Instead, there’s a difference of definitions on what constitutes ‘pinpoint accuracy’. My definition says that the term ‘pinpoint accuracy’ means a CEP of 1 feet, or 12 inches. I don’t know what your definition is. Maybe according to you, the term ‘pinpoint’ means a random strike anywhere within several ten of acres or a few kilometres of real estate, i.e. a CEP of anything between 500 metres & 10km. If Iran says that its missile-strikes were aimed at killing US personnel at Iraqi air bases, then surely the claimed Iranian figure of 80 personnel killed cannot be verified because 80 personnel cannot be housed inside aircraft shelters & therefore the aircraft shelters themselves were not the target. Instead, the common-sensical targets should have been the accommodation barracks (that are never multi-storey structures for obvious reasons), which were left untouched. If you still insist that the missiles struck with pinpoint accuracy, then you will also then produce official Iranian statements about the aircraft shelters or multi-storey structures being the intended targets. Hence, it is futile to use the term ‘pinpoint accuracy’. On top of it all, any BSM or BM that uses either fibre-optic gyros or RLG-INS for inertial navigation can never offer pinpoint accuracy. And that’s precisely why terminal guidance sensors are used for achieving single-digit CEP accuracy. And none of the Iran-produced BSMs or BMs make use of any terminal guidance sensors. So, it is a shgeer waste of time using speculative terms like ‘must be’, ‘could be’ or ‘may be’. Instead, reliance on respect for the laws of physics & mathematics will produce more convincing answers. As for Pakistan saying there were 4 small holes in the tin roof of Balakot terrorist training base, hence no damage done and India failed, in reality Pakistan has so far not said a word about even a single man-made structure being damaged in any manner atop Jabba Top. It has so far claimed that the IAF had dropped all munitions in a hurry & that’s why they fell on lower ground all around that hilltop.
To RAT 2: I had already revealed & explained everything about the Su-30MKI’s MAWS fitments issue & what will go where here:
https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2019/04/how-modernisation-of-iafs-fleet-of.html
As for West Asia, India has already been playing a prominent role since early this decade, for example by hosting talks between Israel & Saudi Arabia, which were subsequently made public by both parties in 2015. Even now, countries like Iran & the US have more faith in India as a neutral broker or facilitator since India does not pledge any state-level theocratic allegiance to any of the 3 Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity & islam) & is therefore regarded as engaging in fairplay than say Pakistan, which being a self-declared Islamic State with a Sunni majority, will not be trusted by Iran in any manner (and that’s why the Iranian Ambassador to India 2 days ago requested India to mediate for the sake of a de-escalation of tensions). Now, contrast this with the US Secretaries of State & Defense both calling up & speaking to only the PA’s COAS, while totally disregarding Pakistan’s PM & FM—which is the most explicit & public & stinging indictment of Pakistan’s ‘sham’ democracy. If you want further proof, then kindly go to Ambassador Abdul Basit’s VBlog & listen to how he has described the worsened state of Iran-Pakistan bilateral relations since the previous 2 decades.
To VIKRAM GUHA: 1) Yes, but LR-SAMs, not SR-SAMs. The global scouting around is for the latter type of SAMs. 2) Yes, even to NGMVs, NGCs, Project 28 ASW corvettes & SW-ASW vessels. 3) The ultimate strategic deterrent is only the survivable second-strike capability, i.e. long-range SLBMs. In fact, if 8,000km-range SLBMs can be deployed at sea in sufficient numbers, then there’s no need at all for any land-based ICBM or MRBM or IRBM.
Thanks PrasunDa.
One wonders why India still doesn't have the capability to develop these SR-SAMs and LR-SAMs and has to import them.
Re the Middle East, found this recent article. You might find it interesting
"Mohammed bin Zayed’s Dark Vision of the Middle East’s Future"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/magazine/united-arab-emirates-mohammed-bin-zayed.html
Sir
Will full scale war brokeout between USA and IRAB
https://youtu.be/ZDf1qGtH3Oo
Sir I think you have told couple of months before that India is not position to take back PoK but present IA COAS is telling they indeed ready so what are u views is he spreading lies like politicians or u have miscalculated your analysis
Ron
Dear Prasun,
You have earlier vowed for F-21 aircraft for MMRCA 2.0. Why not MiG-35 as there will be commonality with MiG-29UPG. Just like Mirage-2000 and Rafale. It will also decrease the diversity of aircrafts inventory.Please enlighten me.
To VIKRAM GUHA: While India still waits for SAMs, here’s what is coming into the market:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUvbLLxbTg4
To DUSHYANT HARDAHA: Of course not.
To RON: Then why is he using the term ‘IF’. Instead, it should be ‘WHEN”. And why should Parliament give any approval? Isn’t that the job of the Govt=in-Power? Bizarre statement indeed. Here’s the full press conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGkcc8zajXU
And here's what some 'desi' experts have to say about liberating PoK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qW53JPt8XI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIA7nA8jijQ
To ANUP: Yes, it constitutes yet another vital step for developing ‘desi’ carrier-based platforms. Now let’s await the 1st successful takeoff of NP-2.
Here’s an interesting presentation on the NLCA from the Aero India 2013 expo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJjNXA9w3dg
To ASD: Because the MiG-25 still isn’t a mature design & hence it is far better to go for the proven MiG-29UPG solution.
COAS Naravane bolna kya chahta tha yahi nahi samjh paya koi...
sir ji any thoughts on the IFV being developed by OFB and what actually happened to the Abhay IFV?????
Prasunda does the MoD have any rule as to when they will go for a government to government (G2G) deal with any country any when they will call for tender from several countries?
For instance in case of the 111 helicopters for the Navy the MoD has selected a few Indian Pvt companies who will in turn tie up with a foreign vendor. So this is not a G2G deal.
To SHUKANTH CHATRATH: How can anyone design or develop ICVs or IFVs when the IA is still experimenting with the concept of IBGs & has not yet obtained conclusive data about the force-mix of the IBG, i.e. what should be the proportional contribution of firepower (ground-based & air-delivered), & the optimum compromises between mobility & armoured protection?
To ANUP: Why? Just because a single-engined MRCA in clean configuration has landed & taken off from a STOBAR aircraft carrier? For those who are not aware, the laws of physics dictate that any aircraft—single-engined or twin-engined—can carry its maximum weapons load ONLY when operating out of a shore-based air base or from a CATOBAR aircraft carrier. All the world’s STOBAR aircraft carriers have a fundamental deficiency—their short takeoff lengths. As a result, any type of combat aircraft taking off from a STOBAR carrier will be reqd to carry only 50% of its authorised weapons load. Hence, if a twin-engined MRCA will be able to carry more weapons load than a single-engined MRCA when taking off from a ski-jump. And from a CATOBAR carrier, the same aircraft types will be able to carry their full weapons-loads. And that’s precisely why the IN is tilting towards a CATOBAR design for IAC-2.
To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: G-to-G deals are struck only when they involve 1) off-the-shelf purchases. 2) single-vendor situation when there is no competitive bidding. In case of the SP model, the Govt of India will ink the procurement contract with the India-based/India-registered company that has teamed up with a foreign OEM, and will not ink anything with the foreign OEM. Consequently, a G-to-G arrangement becomes fruitless under the SP model of procurement, since all liabilities will have to be borne by the Indian industrial strategic partner.
Meanwhile, the PLA Navy’s first Type 055 DDG, the Nanchang 101, was commissioned yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K__c7vp765s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-X_Iz_UJ3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFuz96eJgFg
dada, are chinese suffereing from OCD by any chance their videos look like some kind of ww2 german level of fineness
To TECHNOLOGY, PHOTOGRAPHY & TRAVEL: LoLz! Since you have liked them so much, here's more on the same ceremony, with additional details on the weapons fitments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxK1DoE_Idg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybjtQFrKCkU
Some people have started thinking that the next Laden and Bagdadi will erupt out of the Jamiya and JNU. What is your valued opinion please??
Dear Prasun,
1.your view on single engine Sukhoi 30 mki programme had it been followed? Your view please.
2. Any update about Tejas Mk1A programme by HAL?
HI PRASUN
just watched the naval lca land on the carrier. seems impressive .
there is apparently no pitchin or rolling when coming in.
what i dont undertsand is the that the levcons seems to be fixed instead of integrated witht the FBW sysytem which would have shown the canards bobbing up and down during landing? what is the fact, is this a fixed levcon like the flaps ,that are set to landing position while landing .?
could not get the take of though , pse do give us a link .
Is it true that on test flight trials the levcons were not as promising as designed?
will it be easier to intefgrate the canards omn the MWF verison due to experiance on the levcons ? or is it a new ball game ?
the cinese ddg 055 seems tobe covered with arrays of antenna s for different purposes cna u explain them . How do we tackle this warship?.
as iran has addmitted to shoo=ting down a civilian ac can there be sanctions on it ?
so does this means they are triggre happy and dont have a co ordinated air defence sytem with IFF etc.?
Prasunda, it seems based on these tweets that the 114 multi role fighter for the IAF will materialize. Apparently Rafale & Gripen are front runners. Sweden is important for India's Arctic policy.
https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1216692250240880641
https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1216701520466460674
Please share your view. Thank You
https://twitter.com/GulBukhari/status/1216402511197822987
https://twitter.com/GulBukhari/status/1216600826732580864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xG-XAolm5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVHcaAOvZg
The Col's crime was that he had photocopied & presented the booklet on Pakistan Army's Regulations Manual & the Army Act to the Pakistan Supreme Court, which is a classified document(!) as per Pakistan's laws & is a Court martial offence.
MSA is at it again in Lahore with India's Populist Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oTviIwkWTo
To RAJESH MISHRA: Arey yaar, why are you insulting the intelligences of OBL & Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi? Would they have ever got themselves educated at Deoband or Barielly? Nor would they have joined ranks with the Ahle Hadis. The maximum anything can come out of India to serve the cause of the Muslim Ummah will be the likes of this:
Zakir Naik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_yHaekXfT8
This promises to be the most sensational revelation of this week, if only the 'desi' TV channels bother to pick it up.
To ASD: The S-47 & later the S-54 were concept designs for a twin-engined version of the Su-30MK & were never developed even as prototypes. 2) No updates at all. Until the prototype Mk.1A receives its full-FOC airworthiness certification, no orders will be placed.
To ANUP: What for? Thje LCA Sport is a far better option for the LIFT reqmts of both the IAF & IN.
To RAD: Am preparing a detailed thread on the NLCA Mk.1 & will upload it very soon, that will explain it all. The active phased-array antennae are not all RF sensors, but they also include emitters for multi-band electronic jamming. Yes, it was a trigger-happy incident but one must remember that in Iran there are 2 air forces. One is the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force & the other is the Pasdaran (Revolutionary Guards Corps) Aerospace Defence Forces. Consequently, when any country possesses two competing institutions responsible for air-defence, such fuck-ups will always occur.
To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: Those tweets were inspired by this news-report:
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-to-acquire-200-fighter-jets-for-air-force-defence-secretary-ajay-kumar-11578833486233.html
And I will reiterate again that there’s no room for importing 114 MRFs in the following decade when as per the DRDO’s own loudmouths the ADA is targetting a first flight of the MWF in 2022, AMCA Mk.1 in 2025, & the naval Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TED-BF) in 2026. This kind of developmental feat & aerospace productivity has not been achieved by even the superpowers during the Cold War era, leave alone the post-Cold War period! But, as I had stated several times before, there’s no dearth literate/educated IDIOTS in India who will continue to insist until eternity that 2 + 2 always equals either 3 or 5, but never 4.
Dear Prasun,
Has the FOC version of Tejas Mk1 has Gsh twin/single barrel gun installed? Has it passed all the vibration tests etc. as suggested by you?
ROFL..........including Zakir Naik the most learned man on this earth in the past and present.
Dear Sir,
Why this constant consternation on ordering more Tejas? and then crying that we are loosing numbers.
Are these Tejas in their current state better and safer than Mig-21s, Mig-23, Mig-27? If yes order them, FOC or no FOC. It benefits our companies, people and its ours to tinker as we wish.
or as someone suggested:
There is ZERO chance of WAR. All we are doing is politics. Hence the Consternation and need to buy expensive foreign stuff, no questions asked.
RAT
Sir, On one hand you say there's no room for 110/114 imported aircraft... on the other you also changed your position on further orders of 36/44 rafale from Yes to no. Plz clarify.
Sir,why did we pair phalcon radars with il76 only?? Why wasn't it mounted on any other aircraft like a330?? Is it too heavy for a330??? This just came in my mind ..hope u answer
Why doesn't IAF insist for readymade E7 wedgetail type modified B737 jet for AWACS with rectangular radome instead of going for new A330 design with round radome . It will derisk the program and also accelerate the induction ....CABS has to just mount the modified version of NETRA radar ...also commonality of engines and rotables and spares with P8 MPA will bring in cost savings too... range of B737 and on station time is not too low to ignore it
Prasun Ji,
I have a few concerns regarding arrest of DSP Davinder Singh.
1) How is it possible to for mid-ranking officer to be involved in such activities for such a long period ?
2) do you think he was being protected by people much higher up in hierarchy, and the details could be murkier ?
3) Why wasn't this cop investigated when Afzal guru named him ?
4) Also, why, as is being alleged, domestic help provided to perpetrators of 26/11 not investigated ?
Also, I would like you to read the answer written by Vishnudas pai here
https://www.quora.com/Afzal-Guru-had-accused-police-officer-Davinder-Singh-of-forcing-him-to-help-set-up-the-terrorists-who-attacked-Parliament-in-2001-is-found-to-be-involved-with-several-terrorists-obviously-he-was-protected-then-Why
Any truth in these allegations ?
Thank you
1.
DRDO seems to be up to its old tricks giving wildly optimistic completion dates.
Hope the following will go through
1. 18 addln SU30MKI
2. 21 addln MiG29
3. 36-44 addln Rafale.
2. What happened to fast track LMG order ? It was to be decided together with assault rifle & Carbine.
Only assault rifle materialised.
3. What is the tussle between MoD & IN on P75I ? Something about including Adani.
Regards
Venky
Dear Sir,
https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/china-built-pakistani-port-begins-handling-afghan-transit-trade
Looks like they are proceeding at pace. Looks like Pukes have got themselves a working port on the western side too now. What is the current state of Chabahar Port?
RAT2
Sir it was recently reported that the quad racks for carrying four SAAWs at a time will soon be ready and will be tested from Su30mki. Will these quad racks be only for Su30mki or will they be used by Jaguars as well?
PrasunDa,
This article says that Cabinet Committee on Security has cleared a deadly weapons and sensors package for the 4 under construction Destroyers. But doesn't shed much light on the sensors package
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/navys-4-under-construction-destroyers-to-get-lethal-weapons-sensors-package/articleshow/73259960.cms
Therefore, will you please:
1 Shed some light on the Sensors package
2 In terms of capability (Sensors, Weapons) in what aspects are these destroyers lagging behind US destroyers?
3 The construction of Frigates were split between the docks at Mumbai and Kolkata. Why can't the same be done for the construction of these destroyers?
Thank You
VIKRAM
Seems indian domestic aircraft r&d is again heading towards another catastrophic failure say in 2030s....
That TEDBF thing seems actually being considered... I thought it's some fake news or just fund allocation tactic but after Navy's tweet seems it's a serious effort.
Honestly sir i hope u with your contacts in dept or someone sane who read this blog please stop orca/TEDBF at conceptual stage only terming it as quite time n money consuming. Please. Else be ready for being laughing stock of world.
If any sane person reads it please go with AMCA n MWF only. Fly it by 2025-30 not anything else.
Super Sukhoi upgrade will start in 2020? How long does it gonna take to produce??
2) what's progress on pocket battleships concept designing?? I hope govt gets them manufactured by pvt shipyards for delivery speed of at least 2-3/year...
To ASD: The GsH-23 cannon cannot be installed on either Tejas Mk.1 or Mk.1A & hence an external gunpod solution is now being examined.
To RAT: The Tejas Mk.1 is neither better nor safer than the MiG-21, MiG-23BN & MiG-27M. But it is a great aircraft to fly. But on the other hand, aerobatics and air combat are not one & the same—a point that is always lost among the Tejas fanboys.
To HARSH: I never changed any position. The 114-unit MRFA reqmt is for a cheaper M-MRCA. The rafale on the other hand is is an M-MRCA whose principal role will be deep-strike. They are 2 completely different reqmts.
To RAZA: Because at the time it was ordered in 2004, the PHALCON suite was already integrated with the IL-76 airframe (due to an earlier PLAAF order for four such platforms that was cancelled back in 2000. Hence, it became a cheaper option, rather than trying to opt for the A310 airframe.
To AMIT BISWAS: Because the IAF wants increased unrefuelled endurance of the type not available from the B.737 platform.
To ANISH: All that I can say as of now that he was no lone-wolf. All Valley-origin CMs since the 1980s of erstwhile J & K used to run with the hares & hunt with the hounds, i.e. they were double-faced. But the kind of wild conspiracy theories now coming out about false-flag operations in December 2001 or 26/11 are just conspiracy theories. The same goes for the Pulwama terror-strike last February. After all, it is too wild to make such claims when responsibility for the terror-attacks was claimed by the JeM within minutes of that attack.
To VENKY: 3) The Mod’s Dept of Defence Production wants the Adani-led offer to be selected because Adani in turn will team up with Vizag-based HSL, which suits the MoD just fine because the Secretary for Dept for Defence production is a sitting Board-member of HSL & all other DPSUs. Had he/she not advocated HSL’s case, then he/she would have been accused of criminal breach of trust by the Board of Directors of HSL.
To RAT2: That should be good news, since such convoys won’t be an everyday affair, but only twice a year. But what is happening the existing container traffic that is normally boumd for Karachi is now being diverted to Gwadar. In fact, there’s no competition between Gwadar & Chabahar at all, since the shore-based cargo handling agents located at Chabahar, Gwadar & karacvhi are all either Pakistani citizens (most of them), or Afghan citizens.
To PRRANSHU YADAV: The quad-racks will be of universal nature, i.e. they will be compatible with all types of combat aircraft in service with the IAF.
To VIKRAM GUHA: I had already highlighted all the senors here:
https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2019/08/indian-navy-places-bulk-order-for-sdrs.html
If DDGs are procured in large numbers, then their orders can be divided between shipyards. But the total cost of these 4 DDGs, pegged at Rs.35,800 crore (US$5 billion), is far too high for warships of this type.
To DASHU: It was meant to be disguised as a briefing sought from UNMOGIP about human rights violations on both sides of the LoC. Here are some more details:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOWPJ2-rTko
To ASHISH GAUTAM: You will find some of the answers in the next thread, which is already up & running.
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