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Sunday, August 12, 2018

Super Su-30MKI Has Taken Shape

All the essential enhancements reqd for transforming the existing Su-30MKI into the Super Su-30MKI are now ready for installation/systems integration on either existing Su-30MKIs or even new-build Su-30MKIs (about 80 of which are required).
Under development since 2009 by the DRDO-owned Defence Avionics Research establishment (DARE) and by the Russia-based JSC V Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design, the avionics enhancements will now have to undergo flight certification trials at the Russia-based State Federal Unitary Enterprise Gromov Flight Research Institute at Zhukovsky.
DARE has since 2009 been developing various elements of the mission avionics suite, which include the following:
SAMTEL-HAL Display Systems has completed developing panoramic AMLCDs for installation on the tandem-seat cockpit.
JSC V Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design has already developed an X-band ASESA-MMR variant of the NO-11M Bars PESA-MMR that currently equips the Su-30MKI.
The X-band AESA-MMR will thus enable the Super Su-30MKI cockpit crew to perform interleaved operations concurrently.
The 101KS-V IRST sensor will be the same as that on the Su-56 MRCA.
The countermeasures dispensers will for the first time be able to launch chaff cartridges supplied by UK-based Chemring. Previously, only flare cartridges could be launched.
Also to be installed will be RAFAEL's BNET-AR SDR, which functions as both a communications radio, as well as an operational tactical data-link.
And finally, the propulsion system too will be enhanced, with the AL-31FP turbofans giving way to the AL-41F-1S from NPO Saturn.
In charge of overall systems integration will be the Russia-based FSUE State Scientific Research Institute of Aviation Systems, or GosNIIAS. Altogether, two flying prototypes will be subjected to about 200 hours of flight-tests, which if begun by this year-end, should be completed by late 2020.
The Super Su-30MKI airframe will also be flight-certified for flying terrain-hugging flight profiles (about 100 metres ASL), thanks to the terrain avoidance mode of operation of the AESA-MMR. Existing Su-30MKIs are not able to fly ultra low-level flight profiles since the NO-11M PESA-MMR does not have the terrain avoidance operating mode.

186 comments:

jasss gill said...

VMT sirji another knowledgeable thread.plz upload weapons package for Super mki in future.

get2free said...

One question will this super sukhoi bette/ equal to rafel

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,

Thanks for the info. on super su30mki. It seems that the AESA radar will further enhance it's detection range and tracking of enemy assets. Tell us more about this radar and the new engine.

Rakesh Kumar Sood said...

Dear Prasoon

How would you compare super sukhoi 30 MKI with rafale to be acquired on technical levels?

Deepak said...

"The Super Su-30MKI airframe will also be flight-certified for flying terrain-hugging flight profiles (about 100 metres ASL), thanks to the terrain avoidance mode of operation of the AESA-MMR."
So, additional order for more Rafale is no longer required???

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1- We had lot of issues wrt to Su 30 mki's when dealing with the russians - both commercial as well as technical and the fact that it also has a rather large radar footprint [old design] & also due to sanctions, not a lot of western avionics would go into it .. why should the IAF opt for @80 more. Instead just stick to upgrading the existing fleet [@180-200 to full Super std & the renaming with minor upgrades mostly on reliability front] & use the money to buy more rafales. buying 80 brand new would mean they would be up against the 5/6th gen fighters in the next 20 years.. which sounds decidedly a fatal choice..your article -- http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2015/01/compounded-irrationalities-due-to.html also talks on similar lines

2- Your article-- http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2011/05/super-su-30mki-from-air-dominance-to.html written long back in 2011 is very elaborate & an interesting read. How many of those modifcations / enhancements are now planned into the super su?

3- No mention of L or S band radars for stealth detection, any enhancement to improve stealth profile or of enhanced data fusion/HUD's from multiple sensors around the aircraft

4- guess the jammer pod will still be external.. will it be the tusker pod developed by DRDO or a new one[if yes, can you pls share the details]

5- what happens to the other upgrades -- Jaguar [will the upgrades just be limited to 63 darin 3 planes or will more jags be upgraded to darin 3 std along with other enhancements] & will MIG 27's be revived with the AL 31F engines? AND also to the proposed MMRCA 2 for 110 aircrafts .. will either be affected in any way?

6- How do these enhancements compare to Su 35 or the US upgrades of its 4th gen aircrafts [F 15 se, F18 E/F, F16 V]

Himanshu Kumar said...

Why Rafael's SDR when we have our own for the navy.

Anonymous said...

https://www.firstpost.com/world/saudi-backed-bank-to-grant-loan-to-pakistan-india-must-realise-limits-of-weaning-riyadh-away-from-islamabad-4949281.html

I think we can conclude that India is never going to take PoK unilaterally even if it did it will face consequences what PA has faced during Kargil War that international sanctions and pressure to vacant land and give it to Pakistan to administer.....even if Pakistan BoP has reduced to 2 billions nothing extraordinary will happen because some country will there to rescue it moreover after independence India has set defensive and restraint posture it takes real bravery n guts to do what is right regarding Kashmir. So People give up your hope of India retaking PoK through Airland campaign

Ron

Venkat said...

If Su-30 upgrade can carry out terrain hugging missions, why MMRCA at all ? Bad planning by MoD ?

The 36 Rafale should be enough for specialised strike roles. Maybe Modi govt did right by cancelling the 126 order.

We could increase Su numbers by 50-60 numbers. Then additional 50-60 numbers of MiG-29 are enough to make squadron shortage by 2025 or so.
IAF has no complaints about them.

Then increase LCA numbers.
Same with MTA, go for a tie up with Antonov bureau and make upgraded AN-32 in India. Maybe scrap C-295 deal, cut variety in IAF.

Arun said...

Dear Sir

Many thanks for this beautiful news

After many days we have had good news

My question is the same as other people

Will Super Sukhoi affect the Future acquisitions of Rafale

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JASSS GILL: Data on weapons package was already uploaded in the thread dealing with EX Gagan Shakti-2018.

To GET2FREE: Of course not. The Rafale comes with built-in EMP-hardening of its avionics compartments, & it is also a generation ahead of the Su-30MKI in terms of technological innovations. For instrance, the Super Su-30MKI configuration represents the mid-life upgrade stage of the Su-30MKI, whereas the Rafale is still a decade away from requiring a deep mid-life upgrade. Hence, the Super Su-30MKI will be a 4-gen + H-MRCA, whereas the Rafale even now is a 4-gen+++ M-MRCA. Hence, the reqmt for having a fleet of 80 Rafdales at the very least is remain.

To VED: Increased range is of no use if there are no corresponding LRAAMs reqd for engaging hostile targets at long-range. Hence, the only majoradvantage of having AESA-MMR is that it can enable the aircrew to perform interleaved operations, i.e. several operations at the same time.

To RAKESH KUMAR SOOD & DEEPAK & VENKAT: The above 2 replies will answer most of your query.

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) That always happens when licenced-production is involved & hence is not specific to only Russia-origin platforms. All non-Russia avionics & weapons as desired by the IAF went on-board. Farnce & Israel never imposed any sanctions over India. Also, when selecting a brand-new avionics suite & turbofans for installation, it is always cheaper to have them installed first on brand-new platforms. 2 & 3) The wing-mounted L-band radar sensors & expendable decoys won’t go on the Super Su-30MKI now. 4) High-band jammer pods will be wing-mounted, as shown in the images above. 5) DARIN-3 will go on board 125 Jaguar IS airframes. No word yet on MiG-23BN/MiG-27M deep-upgrades. 6) If Super Su-30MKI project is accelerated, then will not be any need for 110 MRCA-2s. 6) Super Su-30MKI will be far superior to the Su-35, & will be on par with F-15SE & Super Hornet.

To HIMANSHU KUMAR: Because the BEL-built SDR is just a standalone radio whereas the RAFAEL-supplied system is a radio AS WELL AS a tactical data-link (2-in-1).

To RON: You’re counting the eggs before they’re hatched. Be it the IMF or Saudi banks, both will be reqd to offer packages in US$, which in turn will invoke a US veto.

To VENKAT: Total reqmt for strategic strike missions is 80 Rafales. 36 is just the first tranche. Both Mirage 2000 & MiG-29 should never have been upgraded & the money instead ought to have been spent on acquiring Rafales for the IAF & IN. LCA is nowhere in sight with full FOC status. Deep upgrade of existing An-32REs is the way forward instead of procuring far more expensive C-295s.

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

Reference to my query in previous thread....Where is the scope or availability of AMCA /FGFA/ Ghatak UCAV for atleast 2 or 3 decades?
The projected 42 squadrons are easily made up by 18 squadrons(324 Nos.) LMRCA categories of 40Mk1Tejas, 83LCAMk1A and 201 Mk2/MWF.
Another 18 squadrons (350 Nos.) of Air Superiority / HMRCA variants of the Su30Mki. The balance would-be the Dassault Darale and other MMRCA-2.

Anonymous said...

Prasun sir.. Your blog is really very informative.. Sir I just wanted to share my thoughts on fulfilling squadron strength may be by 2026 if we start now, plz analyze it..
1- ordering 90 su30mki.. As hal can make 16 per year so we can get it before 2026.
2- buying 40 more second hand mig29 and 54 second hand mirage 2000 and upgrading them
3- ordering another 18 rafale and upgrading 90 jaguars
4-ordering another 20 Tejas mk1a.

That's 360 su30+100 mig29 +100 mirage 2000 +54 rafale + 96 jaguar + 140 tejas = 850 aircrafts..by 2026..plz analyze it.. Thnkuu

Venkat said...

If LCA is far away then Mr Parrikar was right in IAF should call for single engine fighters, is it not?
Else what is the back up?

Guru said...

Guru

hey prasun can u throw more light on Uttam AESA radar ,is it functional or not.
or Still in development.

Rajesh Mishra said...

ThanQ! In this article and Questions/Answers, you have explained effectively almost all of the requisite subjectivity, objectivity and the Verbs. The matter has almost become crystal clear. Yes, SSU&SU-30MKI are really required in at least 350 Nos. and Rafale in at least 100++ Nos.

By the way the single engine MMRCA/LCA are really required or they are just for increasing the population of the aircrafts. Regarding the Tejas-LIFT it can also be good for the CAS and Tactical Ground Strike Roles. If correct, some AAPiya leader will have to sit on an indefinite hunger strike to demand the development, mfg and inclusion of the Tejas-LIFT.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

In the previous thread, you suggested that the K-4 itself will only be deployed early next decade. If so, when will the 5000+ km MIRVed slbm be deployed?

Kritavarma

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KAUSTAV: I would not bet on any of those—especially the ‘desi’ platforms as everyone is now coming to frips with the fact that it indeed is a very tall order to obtain FOC status. Hence, far better to focus on what is achievable, i.e. Super Su-30MKI upgrade & Jaguar IS/DARIN-3 upgrade & additional Rafales.

To VENKAT: The back-up? The only other option is to upgrade the MiG-23BNs & MiG-27Ms with DARIN-3 standard mission avionics & AL-31F turbofans.

To GURU: It is still under development.

To KRITAVARMA: Are you PRESUPPOSING that the K-4/B-05 will have only unitary warheads?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

I believe the K-15/B-05 750 km range slbm has unitary warheads only. The K-4 (only one of which is said to fit in a tube that fits 3 K-15's) would only be effective if it carried MIRVs. I would however, not expect the K-4 to be the definitive SLBM with 5000+ km range. Was'nt that supposed to be the K-5 or K-6 ?

Kritavarma

Kaustav said...

VMT Prasunda, the shortfall of the Mk2/MWF can only be met by either Dassault Rafale/MMRCA-2 imports in the long run and immediate upgrades of the DPSA Jaguars & Mig27. The Mirage 2000 and Mig 29 upgrades, an expensive mistake maybe, but are already under way. Thanks again.

rad said...

hi prasun
at last discussion on fighters!

why is the l band and the s band wing aesa modules not coming now? integration problems??

the high band jammer pod seems to have no lugs for wing pylon carriage , so i assume that 2 will be carried on each wing tip . there were pictures of russian ac having wing tip pods like the f-16 . so what is the correct configuration? is there a low band jammer as well?

what will be the upgrade cost per ac.?

you mentioned the rafales avionics are emp hardened , does it mean the others are not
? can i assume the the rafale is immune to a emp weapon attack?



now russia is offering long range a missile based on the r-77 ie ramjet and er version and they seem to be intent on playing a zero sum game by exporting it to china and india.I feel we will be compelled to get it as china will get a small no for copying . what is the right decision.?

ashish gautam said...

Wow an excellent article sir. Very informative. Was waiting for it for a long time....
Kuch sawalo ki jhadi...
(1) since I don't know much about details of su30mki design etc, but I wanna know that can It carry missiles as well as bombs using quad missile launchers just like rafale & eurufighter utilising full load capacity or upto 7-7.5tons of load???
I haven't scene any such pic of it in such configuration so in super Sukhoi configuration is it possible??
(2) sincrnew engine is having more thrust & 10% less fuel consumption then old one so what increment in load capacity & range can be expected?? Keeping same internal fuel capacity.
(3) any structural changes for increment in fuel capacity??
(4) during this upgrades all present aircrafts will undergo deep over hauling also??
(5) New HUD? which enables IR image superimposition on HUD??
(6) new engine's TVC is pure 3D or enhanced 2D?
(7) new AESA ka total angle coverage Kitna rhega?? jaise Gripen vale ka 110°hai....

Anonymous said...

1)Do a critical evaluation of the performance of defence PSUs in India.
2)What needs to be done to make India truly self-reliant in defence production?
Sir give a crisp answer with what present MoD is pursuing in making them move towards self reliant

Ron

Prranshu Yadav said...

Great to see super Sukhoi program going ahead and IAF interested in 40 more. It just seems the logical thing to do. Anyways, here are a few questions I have.

1. I feel that scrapping of decomissioned IAF planes is immensly wasteful. Don't you think that instead of being scrapped the decomissioned airframes should either be put in a boneyard like the US does or converted into suicide drones like China does?

http://aviationintel.com/as-highlighted-on-this-site-as-a-threat-for-years-chinas-converted-surplus-fighter-drone-force-eyeballed-from-space/

2. What kind of UAVs, satellites or other reconissance platforms will India use to identify targets for missiles like Brahmos and Nirbhay deep inside enemy territory?

Suvo said...

Prasun da,thanks for Super Sukhi update. Please share your views about "Referendum 2020 Khalistan".And how India should dealt with it?

Tej Dhillon said...

Is there any info on reducing the Radar Cross Section at all and, if so, by what level of reduction? Thank you!

McCarthy said...

is India clueless on Madives?

Srinivasa Nanduri Ramanujam said...

Hi Prasun,

Excellent write up as always.

But I have a different question. You have written about Afghanistan before. And you know more about what's happening then many so called journalists.

What's happening now, first Farah and now in ghazni is quite disturbing. What are Pakitan China Iran and Russia upto.

Why this sudden well planned attacks. And for how long will Pakistan get to terrorize others and get away like this.

Regards,
SRINIVASA NANDURI

Sumit sen said...

How many su 30 mki will be upgraded to 'super' standard? If 80. Why not all mki's??

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1 if wingtips are to be used for the high band jammers then that is 2 weapons points short.. is the super su to use multiple rack ejectors to compensate for that?
2 U have shared pics of the cockpit layout model which looks similar to the Su 35.. is that what will go into Super su as well or is it just for representation
3 what excatly ails tejas FOC.. gun firing, mid air refuelling are what looks pending .. why are they so hard to accomplish ? anything else apart from these 2?
4 - Will tejas mk1 A be fitted with upgraded Kaveri engine in the future as a part of mid life upgrade? ref -- http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/02/tejas-pv-1-fitted-with-kaveri-engine-to.html
5 - http://idrw.org/defence-acquisition-council-clears-procurement-of-offshore-patrol-vessels-for-indian-navy-under-make-in-india/... Prasun, can you please share more details on this.. what would these be comparable to..

Anonymous said...

Sir finally a wrap up of a fascinating mystery? Or someone has the perfect individual harassment technology now, tested in Cuba?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article203221919.html

Meanwhile new unexplained sounds continue

https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/mysterious-shrieking-sound-frustrates-oregon-community/story?id=36998846

And more
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fury_and_Hecla_Strait

Adding to the famous noise I read about as a kid, the Taos Hum.

Pole shifts, spy attacks, hysteria or experimentation?

- VSJ

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KRITAVARMA: K-15/B-05 will not be operationally deployed, instead the K-4 will be with MIRVs. The definitive long-range SLBM with 8,000km-range is still under development for the projected S-5/S-6/S-7 SSBNs.

To RAD: Because they’re not reqd. With RAFAEL’s data-links such airborne battle management cues & vectors can easily be received from A-50I PHALCON AEW & CS platforms. Jammer pods will be wingtip-mounted, but not sideways& will instead be underwing at the wing trailing edge as shown in the slides above. Low-band jammers aren’t reqd since a dedicated low-band jamming pod is all that will be reqd in a flight of 4 or six attacking aircraft for jamming the long-range airspace surveillance radars. High-band jammers will take of illuminating radars of SAM networks. This is what escort jammers do:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aXfpQOC_w2o/WKotpB0UTBI/AAAAAAAAMeQ/lrytf1BFttA8QM0PSszGgjk-RQvOl94dwCLcB/s1600/Escort%2BJammer-1.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GpNBBoN7v8E/WKotseNYVGI/AAAAAAAAMeU/c_dGHGvNHpQNVWPFtMxgZDEKcekUxAROQCLcB/s1600/Escort%2BJammer-2.jpg

Upgrade cost will be one-fourth of the per-unit acquisition price of a brand-new Su-30MKI. No, others are not EMP-hardened. No aircraft is immune to EMP. Only the level of damage can be minimized. There’s only EMP-resistance, not EMP-immunity. The IAF requires LRAAMs like Meteor from Russia since Meteor can’t be integrated with Su-30MKI’s avionics suite. China has developed its own LRAAMs & is not getting anything from Russia.

To ASHISH GAUTAM: Russia already has dual-launch.quad-launch pylons for bombs as shown in the first slide above. Similar pylons for carrying 3 bombs have been developed for under-wing application & are used by MiG-27Ms. Similarly, dual-launch pylons are being developed by DRDO & HAL for SRAAMs. 2) With AL-41F turbofans, the Super Su-30MKI’s max weapons load will increase by 20%. 3) What for? It already has aerial refuelling probe for receiving fuel in mid-air. Abb sirf aur AAR refuelling tanker chahiye. 4) Yes. 5) Yes, from SAMTEL-HAL Display Systems (same as that on Jaguar IS/DARIN-3). No need for IIR image superimposition since terrain avoidance won’t be by visual means (as is the case with F-15s & F-16s using LANTIRN-2 pods), but by AESA-MMR. 6)2-D only. 7) Same as that of the existing NO-11M Bars.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RON: 1) LoLz! What is there to critically evaluate? Just get the GoI to stop running any & all PSUs, defence or otherwise. Period. When the Mauryan, Mughal & Vijayanagara empires never had any PSUs & yet they had prospered for considerable periods, then why the hell should PSUs exist in the 21st century? Just look at the PSUs in Russia, which are perpetually sick, while those of China are not getting bankrupt due to the ongoing US-China trade wars! 2) How can anyone ever become 100% self-reliant? Yes, China & Russia can, but they both have lost the technology race against their Western counterparts. And on top of all that India has got ‘netas’ like Yashwant Sinha & Arun Shourie & several more still believe that acquiring licenced-production rights from foreign OEMs will ONE DAY enable HAL to design its own home-grown MRCAs!!! If such ‘netas’ have still not learnt lessons from all the combined licence-production projects running on since the 1950s, then chances are that no ‘neta’ in India will ever draw the correct lessons from history. Only when such ‘netas’ are dumped forever will there emerge some hope for the dawning of common-sense.

To PRRANSHU YADAV: 1) Scrapping of anything is WASTEFUL & downright ARROGANT. If the Israelis can still use Centurion & M-48 tank hulls fitted with various new-generation customised turrets, then why can’t India? Why did the IA get rid of its AMX-13 light tanks in the early 1980s? Could not a few AMX-13 hulls, along with those of the Centurion & Vijayanta tanks been given to several IITs, IISCs & polytechnics for the students there to learn about military vehicle automotives & then devise various home-grown solutions for automotives, fire-control systems & vectronics? Fione. Let them take evcen a decade to come up with solutions, but had this been done, then by today we would have had re-engined & upgraded AMX-13s serving as light tanks or carriers of Nag ATGMs throughout the North East! It is the sheer arrogance of the average Indian mindset that frequently assumes horrifying proportions. 2) Only overhead recce satellites in LEO orbits & equipped with 2.4-metre wide lens (like that on KH-11s & Hubble space telescope & the July 31-launched Gaofen-11 satellite of China (you will be able to read all about it in FORCE’s September 2018 issue), along with LEO-orbiting SAR-equipped satellites like RISAT-2/Polaris/TecSAR will be able to deliver the kind of imagery reqd for both tactical & strategic targetting.

To SUVO: What referendum? If it is Khalistan that is wanted, then such a country will also be reqd to incorporate Nankana Sahib, which lies inside Pakistan. Do you reckon Pakistan will therefore advocate the creation of Khalistan? Of course not. The UK’s approval for granting permission for the protests in London has more to do with India’s needless needling & intimidation of Dubai-based Christian Michel. Because after the whole world has accepted the legal verdicts given by all 3 Italian courts, India is the only country refusing to read the writing on the wall & insisting that 2 + 2 is not equal to 4, but is either 3 or 5!!!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To TEJ DHILLON: Arey yaar, why is there a need to reduce RCS when the aircraft will be capable of radar coverage avoidance through terrain-hugging flight profiles & on top of that 2 high-band jammers will be carried along with EMP-generating SAAW standoff missiles?

To McCARTHY: Not clueless at all, but India is still supplying the long-rope to Male that will eventually come in handy when it comes to economically strangulating Maldives. So just wait & watch the fun.

To SRINIVASA NANDURI RAMANUJAM: What Iran & Russia are doing is to arm the Afghan Taliban in order to pit them against ISIS-affiliated elements emanating from Pakistan. At the same time, both Russia & India are arming & training the ANA to take on the Afghan Taliban. India now has the least to bother about Pakistan since Pakistan is already now well ahead on a suicidal course. For I am already foreseeing the day when Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi will be branded both deomstically & internationally as a heretic for going against the basic tenets of Islam & committing blasphemy like declaring that he wants to usher in yet another Riyaasat-e-Medina & that too in the absence of the Holy Prophet/Paigambar!

To SUMIT SEN: All existing Su-30MKIs will be upgraded.

To JUST-CURIOUS: Dual-ejector racks for SRAAMs have already been developed by Russia & are also being co-developed by DRDO & HAL. 2) That is the definitive cockpit display configuration as shown by DARE at Aero India 2017 expo. 3) The GSH-23 cannon’s integration validation on the Tejas Mk.1 will give enormous problems. It would have been better to go for NEXTER’s 20mm cannon as that on the Mirage 2000. 4) Neither Tejas Mk.1 or Tejas Mk.1A airframe will be capable of accommodating any uprated version of Kaveri since the air-intake configuration is already frozen. Kaveri turbofan, unless certified for flight, cannot be used for powering any model of the Tejas. Has the kaveri received its certification of airworthiness from any aviation regulatory authority (like CEMILAC) from anywhere in this world? 5) They bwill be of the same type now being delivered by Larsen & Toubro.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-12/soviet-collapse-echoes-in-china-s-belt-and-road-investment
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/first-graphene-skinned-plane/

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/japan-will-soon-help-vietnam-extract-gas-south-china-sea-how-will-china-respond-28477

https://twitter.com/GregPoling/status/1024768566384570368

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-next-south-china-sea-crisis-china-vs-indonesia-10522

Rafale Deal For Dummies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqIk4gSB3jA

Excellent discussion on Arjun family of MBTs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpsg8gLI0lE

Abram said...

Doesnt Rahul's allegation that Reliance Defense is in experienced and was born out of the blue hold its ground ?

Anonymous said...

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/agni-v-to-undergo-one-more-pre-induction-test/story-a9OcIgjWaRUyMbBoSOnM5M.html

The linked news item claims that the strategic missile programme will be capped once the A-5 is inducted, with no follow on missiles on the drawing board. Could it be that MIRVs and further developments would be put on hold, keeping only a minimum deterrent?

Ashwatthama

rad said...

hi prasun
talking of jamming , can the elta 8025 jammers take care of the aesa chinese
surveillance radars that have been supplied to pak? I believe it is extremely difficult to jam the aesa radar?

can you give us dope on the new longrange missiles being offered, some russian fellow says that the missiles will be offered to all su 30 users?

why is the 23 mm canon bad? on the lca? it has been used for a long time on all ac and proven .what is the exact reason? gun gas ingestion? it is bang under the intake.


Brown Desi said...

Hi Prasun, I was reading an article from Lt. Gen. P Katoch and he mentions that during Sochi Summit, Pres. Putin has advised PM Modi to shelve the S400 Plan and Russia is now in talks with Pakistan for joint development of FGFA. Granted, that Pakistan has neither the funds or the experience for it and given the their current state country will soon be on begging tour across the globe. Don't you think it would be wise on Indian leadership's part to not put all eggs in one basket and completely alienate Russia, simply to woo US; which is on collision course with European countries as well. With Russia's such attitude, India will be surrounded by 3 major hostile countries.
Regards,
Brown Desi

Rajesh Mishra said...

Nice. Within last 2-3 days you have magically cleared all the dust that was lying there for the dozens of years.

If SSU-30MKI is really successfully accepted then the MMRCA-2 is likely to be closed. Will this be justified or the MMRCA-2 shall be scaled down to some extent for some really useful reasons.

Suvo said...

Prasun da,thanks for the reply.I have another question.According to Iran,the US send ISIS militants to north afghanistan & Caucasus region.Is it true?

get2free said...

Vand Mataram Sir,
What's your view about Gathak UCAV.

Yashodhan

ashish gautam said...

Thank you for clarification sir.
Happy 72nd independence day. may God bless us all. U keep on writing all this stuff always.
Sir, now with an AESA radar what increment in tracking & engaging range of aircraft can be expected? (If happens so).

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUVO: LoLz! Forget about what the Iranians & Turks say nowadays, since their currencies have no value now & both their economies are coming crashing down. And Pakistan will soon join them to complete the troika, is we are to believe what the Interim Pakistani Foreign Minister said yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhIv18xPUZY&t=124s

And in the ground-report from Gwadar (aired last Sunday), the Pakistan Marines detachment in Gwadar openly stated that all the Baloch rebels have found sanctuary in Iran:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOThSIDqtPY

This proves once & for all that Iran has been operating for a long time in destabilising Balochistan. Not India, not Afghanistan, but Iran, which as per the first YouTube link above, has still not forgiven Pakistan for sending Gen (Ret'd) Raheel Sharif to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. So these two weblinks clearly state all the facts from the Horses' mouths, & let there be no more doubts & speculations on such issues anymore. And looking at the visuals of Gwadar Port, it now looks like a PoW internment camp, with Guard-Towers sited every 100 metres.

And here's the programme in which Pakistan's Interim Defence Minister said last week that he had already finished drafting the defence policy for the to-be-constituted new Pakistani federal govt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_phFMF7hDw&index=5&list=PL1jvvRXZxYkdvDaZrz0h5-W1xnTkoYToS

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ABRAM: Firstly, it is not Reliance Defence that has been selected, but rather it is DASSAULT-RELIANCE AEROSPACE that has been selected. This company is jointly owned by Dassault & Reliance. Secondly, it is Dassault that chose Reliance. So if the PAPPU has any queries WRT the selection process, i.e. why Dassault chose Reliance & not HAL, then that question should be posed to Dassault, & no one else. An unnecessary ruckus was created in Parliament by the PAPPU because he refuses to acknowledge that 2 + 2 = 4.

To ASHWATTHAMA: I don;t place any reliance on such erroneous news-reports. Tjere can be various version of an ICNM or SLBM. Plus, in that news-report, the ‘desi’ reporter canlt even tell the difference between an RF seeker & a proximity fuze!!!

To RAD: Which are the AESA-based surveillance radars that China has supplied to Pakistan? As for escort jammers, this is the one:

http://www.iai.co.il/Sip_Storage//FILES/9/36129.pdf

The R-37M that was originally designed in the 1980s has been upgraded & is on offer for members of the Su-30 family of H-MRCAs. Different cannons has different operating characteristics, especially WRT recoil forces generated. A twin-barrel cannon will generate more such force than a single-barrelled cannon.

To BROWN DESI: If that is indeed the case, then why has India asked for exemption from CAATSA for the S-400 deal? FGFA was India-specific. There is no FGFA without India. What now exists is only the Su-57 PMF, which is already fully developed & doesnlt require any further enhancements. So, better not get carried away by the speculative perceptions & assumptions of others.

To RAJESH MISHRA: VMT. The Super Su-30MKIs, along with S-400s & Barak-8 LR-SAMs will be more than enough to ensure the in-depth air-defence of India’s airspace. In the meantime, development of the LCA-AF Mk.2 should be accelerated & the airframe must incorporate heavier landing gears (like that on the NLCAs) & LEVCONs, along with a MAWS suite & internal ASPJ & Cockpit-NG & AESA-MMR & Dhruti RWR.

To GET2FREE: What about it? It doesn’t exist inj any physical form as yet & let the ADE first operationalise the Rustom-1 & the Tapas UAVs. Only then can anyone say anything about stealthy UAS platforms.

To ASHISH GAUTAM: AESA-MMR is not reqd for increasing tracking capacity or detection ranges. If AEW & CS platforms or ground-based GCI provide targetting cues, then where’s the need for using AESA-MMR for target detection? Why advertise one’s position by keeping the radar on? Might as well as keep it switched off. That’s why in the history of air combat no BVRAAM has ever destroyed the target at max range when AEW & CS coverage wasn’t available. Long-range detection/tracking for LRAAMs is reqd only when the targets are high-flying & lumbering bombers like B-52s or Tu-95s or Tu-16s/H-6Ks. In India’s case, Chinas won;t use its H-6Ks since the IAF will be having the Barak-8ER & S-400s for long-range interception of such high-flying aircraft.

Interview of ex-R & AW Secretary Vikram Sood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajEoDMdfxFA

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

And everyone enjoy their independence day by watching these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rrlNeP2Qsg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgJ6zub1t60

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

VMT. Was concerned b/c Shishir Gupta appears to have `sources'. Which means that some elements in the bureaucracy may be promoting such hare-brained ideas like capping the strategic missile programme with a single warhead A-5 and K-4. Hope such mistakes never happen.

Ashwatthama

Ved said...

Happy Independence day to all.


Sujit said...

Prasun sir, if elta 8251 is very effective then our su30mki is more than capable of handling anything.why then are we thinking of stealth aircrafts and rafale type high cost aircraft?? Please clarify sir..
And sir there are reports that israel used SUTER ew against syrian radars during operation orchard.sir is suter real?? Can it really hack air defence system? If yes then is india having any such capability sir? Cauz my personal thought is it wud make stealth aircraft redundant..thnku sir.

Pierre Zorin said...

Prasun babu were you suggesting some Indians raise their national flag on a different type of a hoist watching " provocative" belly dances by stunning beauties?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ASHWATTHAMA: Well, as we all know now, his ‘sources’ are of the dubious kind. They always were, are & will always be.

To SUJIT: Because the nature of the threat is always changing & is not of a static nature. Although the Super Su-30MKI will be far more capable, it still won’t be able to operate five sorties a day, which the Rafale can. No SUTER was used by the IDF-AF. Instead, DEW version of the Spice-250 was used to knock out the radars of Syria. Had SUTER been used, then the IDF-AF’s F-15Is would not have been reqd to fly along the Turkey-Syria border for the sake of avoiding engagements by Syrian SAMs.

To PIERRE ZORIN: Well, I had to do that because I had an inkling about the depression that listeners & watchers of the PM’s speech (delivered from the ramparts of the Red Fort) would be subjected to after listenting to the PM’s soundbytes, which are analysed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3VYLXByWgE

Any self-respectong leader whose country’s sovereign territory is under someone else’s illegal occupation would have made at least some mention about the pledge once every year on Aiguist 15 to recover such territories back by any & all means. But it seems India’s ‘netas’ as expected mostly choose to live in a state oif self-denial & are loathe to admit their past mistakes. Instead, one sees endless chest-thumpings & self-pattings. In contrast, if one attends any kind of diplomatic function hosted by the PRC anywhere in this world, the end of the keynote speeches delivered during such events always, without fail, ends with the pledge to secure re-unification with Taiwan by any & all means. Hence, belly-dances are always far more preferable & palatable than displays of hypocricies by India’s political ‘netas’.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BUDDHA: Do go through these:

Ancient Vimana Discovered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeycaiUWKbA

Ancient Gates of Warangal Fort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhmYWiGFCjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMIUqdrOJOg

1.000-Pillar Temple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jke2GwIdFvk

Mamandur Caves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxTydQGDXe8

Idols of Ramappa Temple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEYUs7HBv3s

Did Ancient Civilizations Use Advanced Communication Devices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnJggScym48

Bicycle Carved 2,000 Years Ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zHHPCAao4k

3,000 Year Old Statue Reveals Advanced Technology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgviU0EzNdM

Vettuvan Koil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ke5NE8gvcw

Srirangam Temple: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnX8aWUaNWM

Latest PLA Army Day Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qr-4AKM18

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://hushkit.net/2018/08/15/flying-and-fighting-in-the-mig-27-interview-with-a-mig-pilot/

Anonymous said...

http://www.newsinsight.net/Getreal.aspx#page=page-1

What do you think about this? Could Xi Jinping's troubles tempt him to start a 1962 like aggression later this year?

Satyaki

Enigma said...

Prasun da,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgdwyDHWkAI1pLT.jpg

Seems Pakistan Armed Force now has Mi-35 in his arsenal.

Sujit said...

Thnkuu prasun sir for replying.
Sir, u said that russia has developed a brand new ssn design and this is going to be sold to india for our ssn project.sir is the agreement still intact or india is going alone? M not able to find the name of such project.
And sir will kolkata and vishakapatnam class destroyers will be armed with nirrbhay vls or xrsam in future?? Cauz i think they are low armed with respect to their tonnage..even japanese destroyers are heavily armed..thnkuu sir

ashish gautam said...

Ok thank you for clearing my doubt.
Sir, just saw these pics on Twitter...
Check out @TemjenAo’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/TemjenAo/status/1029754101666471936?s=09
Why indian govt doesn't orders airforce or army to blow up camp hebron etc such locations which are being used to run a parallel govt in nagaland???
Since I don't know much about Nagaland issue I request you to kindly let me know about it, & apart from geographical issues what r other issues which stop Indian forces or govt from using air land compaign???
Coz u can see they all bloody carry assault rifles etc.... Kinda fully equipped terrorist they r.... That too in a uniform... Pls tell.

Pierre Zorin said...

I hope Prasun you realised it was an innuendo and said in a lighter vein like I always do ;)
India by now should be known as not only a RFD but also a RFL - refuse to learn - nation
I have written to the Israeli PM what he intends doing about those who killed the Jews in Mumbai seeing they are safeguarded by ISI and Israel always gets their targets no matter where in the world. I asked this because I said India is all talk with zero action so it had to be him avenging the innocent lives lost.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

Came across this article my Rohit Saran in TOI and also in Economic Times.
https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/five-wars-that-pakistan-lost-and-why-india-shouldnt-let-it-lose-another-one/

Rohit Saran is the executive editor of TOI and has been the same for Economic Times and India Today.

What's your opinion on his idea as proposed in this article.

Kane

buddha said...

Thanks sir..It is pleasure for me to get your references .
I will sure go through this by the week end.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/why-military-theatre-commands-is-an-unnecessary-idea-5308890/

And this is the air-strike that the former CAS of the IAF is referring to:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/other-loonda-kargil-ii.html

https://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1918/19180220.htm

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,
Are the scorpenes getting any HWT in near future or will it be SUT that is going to be all. Earlier you said that the Blackshark HWT can be the only choice due to the CMS compatibility. May be the F21 could also be an option. Your views please.

A couple of months back read it in news that IA in an urgent mode had sent some it's officers to global vendors for emergency purchase of assault rifles, carbines, sniper rifles etc. Has any thing really been purchased or was it a fake news?

Some time back had read that NSG has selected Sako 7.62*51mm sniper rifle. Which is the actual model and has the NSG got any till date?

Anonymous said...

https://thewire.in/space/say-isro-sends-an-indian-to-space-on-an-indian-rocket-what-happens-after
Without consulting executing agency ...without knowing strengths and weaknesses....how this PM can make such a tall promise? Compare it with JFK speech? What is your say on this
2) I don’t have any hopes for reintegration of PoK with J&K
Ron

ACHARYA ASHIS said...

VMT for the update on Super SU30 MKI.
Would you please clarify what is the difference between chaff & flare...

And,what is the fate of NOVATOR K100 missile? Has it been abandoned?

Thanks in advance.


Ashis Acharya

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

SELF-SERVING GENEROSITY WITH DEFENCE LANDS By Ret'd Lt Gen P G Kamath

Politicians in general work for themselves but on behalf of people they represent. Their interest remains supreme and if at all they serve the interest of the people, it is by default; more often as a by-product, of their fulfilled self-interest. While, undertaking such exercises they have no remorse or guilt. It is an accepted fact that all politicians look after their families and extended families once they seize the political power. Rarely you will find a politician in our country, who do not have his sons/daughters/spouses/relatives as their political proteges. Families of Mulayams/Lalu/Nehrus have perpetuated family legacy in the political arena and made it their family business enterprise. Even spinsters like Amma/Didi/Behenjee have close relatives in their inner political coterie; the only exception so far has been PM Modi, who has kept his relatives at bay but by no means immune to close political coterie, of ‘yes-men’. There is no doubt that some ministers are performing brilliantly; however, some have been kept only to acquiesce and nod at everything the PM/PMO/NSA suggests. One such minister is our Defence Minister.

Ms Sitaraman is known for her generosity and selflessness. ‘Generosity’ seems to run in her family, where they are conservative by nature and are most generous with things, which they personally do not own! In the current instance; she has ordered to hand over defence land worth 282 crores of 16.52 acres in return for notional land worth 209 acres worth 488 crores in the outskirts of Bangalore. It appears to be a good bargain but the truth is that Karnataka Government Cabinet has not yet passed a resolution to hand over the alternate land. It simply means that they are not handing over the land as it is notional, as of now. Notwithstanding, they would immediately take over the defence land. She feels the return of the land can take place later, as she personally cannot bear to see the suffering of the people of Bangalore. How altruistic? Indeed, kudos to her, for experiencing the pain of the people of Bangalore. It does not need the genius to visualise that the alternate land will never be returned. The most prized commodity in Bangalore; is the land and there is seamless cooperation among the land sharks, corporates and politicians. In the present case, the defence land has already been ordered to be given to the Government of Karnataka and the latter are under no hurry to return the land as their projects would have been done and the MOD with its inherent lethargy would take decades, even to send reminders and the ‘defence land’ is gone for good. Ms Sitaraman very well knows it. She has taken an oath to be the Defence Minister of Indian Union but her innate spirit of doing good, more so by giving some one’s property to someone else and surreptitiously deriving personal benefit; is the game that she has played too often. She has done it with roads in 62 Cantonment and now she is bent upon bartering defence lands to state governments and extracting her pound of flesh. In the first instance, she ordered the Service Headquarters to dispense the Cantonments completely and convert a small part of it into ‘Military Stations’. The master plan is to barter defence lands and sell the same and use it in the ‘Consolidated Fund of India’. The white money gets deposited; however, what would happen to the black money in the deal? Which political party and individuals would be its beneficiaries? The Defence Minister need to answer it? She very adroitly has asked the Service Headquarters to recommend the case, to show it to the public that the proposal has come from the service headquarters.

Cont'd below...

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

I hope the general public knows that India is the only country in the world that does not have serving defence officers in the MOD. Those, with no clue on defence matters, are advising the beguiled defence minister as to what to write and where to sign? Of course; her willing compliance has steadily destroyed the morale of the Armed Forces, for which she is paid to keep it high. In her perception; the very fact that she is the Defence Minister; she is the owner of all the defence lands and property with the service headquarters and she has the full liberty to use it, as she pleases. She is also known to be generous and she actually feels that if the Defence Land can be made good use by the public; then why not? However, the same generosity does not extend to the private property owned by her spouse and herself.

The Defence Minister; conspicuously lacks a political base. Her passport to power is the largess thrown at her by the PM. She has entered the Cabinet through the backdoor entry from the Rajya Sabha, soon after the formation of the Modi Government. She has already been in the Rajya Sabha since 26 Jun 2014; the first two years representing Andhra Pradesh and the next two year representing Karnataka. Her generosity will also show her loyalty to the state from where she has been elected in Rajya Sabha and also assuage the hurt feelings for shifting Aero India from Bangalore to Lucknow. The secret personal deal is that the Janata Dal will support her candidature from Karnataka, should she seek re-election from the state, after retirement in 2022. The support of Janata Dal has been assured to her. Otherwise; even if she really wanted to give the defence land for public use; why pray; it was given without handing over the equivalent land to defence? If, it has been delayed for several years then what is the tearing hurry now? If the state government wanted it on a fast track; what stopped the State Government from finishing the formalities and hand over the land of equivalent value simultaneously with the taking over of the defence land? Even a congenital anosmatic person, would smell a stinking rat in the deal?

Cont'd below...

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Her next move is to do likewise in Telangana. She has already given green signal to KCR government that she is a game to hand over any defence assets to the government. She has already taken the first step by opening the roads in Cantt to the public and has come in the good books. She has said that another 160 acres of defence land for two skyways in Hyderabad would be handed over in Karnataka style, as she really cannot see the people of Hyderabad suffering. Her motherly instincts again go out for the long-suffering people of Hyderabad: Why not give them the defence land to alleviate their distress? After all, she is the defence minister; only in name, and her main interest lies in rehabilitating her spouse and also secure captive votes for her in Rajya Sabha; in case the Karnataka formulae does not work. Even the PM is trying to rope in KCR as an ally in the next parliamentary election? Then, what is the hitch? Why not hand over the prime defence land to the KCR government? The latter is also aware; how important he is to the Union Government? He is asking for ‘Bison Parade Ground’ to construct his new secretariat as the present one is not as per Vaastu. Ms Sitaraman is already smacking her lips to strike the deal. After all, if the defence assets have to be used for political purposes; then why not? She will get a pat from the PM and what a great day it would be; the honour and appreciation coming from the PM himself! For several days and nights, she would be in a bliss; glowing with pride for bartering the prime defence assets for political expediency. Her partner in the deal would be DGDE: In the recent case, the CAG has indicted DGDE where an ‘Old Grant Bungalow’ in Ranikhet meant for housing defence personnel was given to run a hotel. To add insult to injury, no rent was levied on the hotel keeper. The CAG has also said that it is not the first case and such lapses were noticed in the past as well. DGDE is as compliant to the Defence Minister as she is compliant to the PMO. With such a great set up at home; do you really need enemies? No doubt; charity begins at home and generosity is self-serving?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

MY RESPONSE TO AN INDIAN STUDENT STUDYING IN USA WHO AVOIDS INDIAN ARMY LIKE THE PLAGUE

By Ret'd Lt Gen P G Kamath

Dear Xxx,

I respect all views as different views make a healthy society. Firstly, if you have read my article I never said all the 1.4 million people living in Cantonments are encroachers. The MOS of MOD has reported to the Parliament there are over 10000 acres defence lands have been encroached. Many Old Grant Bungalows and leased property have been taken over by illegal occupants. When I said encroachers, it is them. In your little understanding, you have concluded that all the civilians residing in Cantonments are encroachers. Civilians have lived in Cantonments, are living in Cantonments and will continue to live in Cantonments. The ire is against the illegal occupants. I can respond to each of the issues you commented, but I frankly do not feel that I need to convince you. What takes the cake is your comment “General, civilians in Secunderabad are so fed up with the Indian Army, we avoid you like the plague”. This beautiful sentence you have written is adequate to gauge your poor upbringing and your faulty education.

Cont'd below...

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Firstly; The Army units, which are in Secunderabad are not permanently located there. They come from operational frontiers after having served for three to four years and come for training and reorientation before they go to the next operational area. Secondly: At any one time our 15000 Kms of land borders, 7500 Kms of Coastline, over 1000 islands, and 2.5 million Sq Kms of ‘Exclusive Economic Zone are defended night and day from threats that could emanate from land, air, seas, underwater, and space. The Armed Forces defend it so that our country is safe and ungrateful people like you, can sleep peacefully in their beds, where they can take security for granted. The existence of Security is never felt and only its absence is felt. When your parents were cohabiting in the safety and security of their home and conceived you; the security for them during the happy and intimate moments was provided by the Indian Army. When you were born, it was a happy day at your house and people rejoiced to welcome you, into this world: To enable your happiness it was Indian Army guarding the frontiers so that all of you could celebrate. When you put out your first step and blabbered your baby talk; your parents were the happiest people on earth that was facilitated by the Indian soldier defending your frontiers and providing you with the required security. You went to school, breezed through your adolescence and moved from school to college and those happy days where you did not have a care in life; because the Indian Army guarding the frontiers in snow, rain, winters, summers in deserts, mountains, jungles, high altitude areas and glacial frontiers were accomplishing their mission. You did not have to worry a bit about your security. All these years you spent in our country without even knowing that soldiers mount vigil round the clock so that your carefree days are indeed your carefree days. Now, you have moved out of the country despising the soldiers who protected you and enabled you to become, what you are today. Even now, should anything happen to you the Indian Armed Forces will come to your aid? You know thousands of our countrymen in distress have been evacuated from the foreign soil due to conflicts and natural disasters. Your parents are probably at Secunderabad, should anything happen to them due to communal riots, natural disaster and it is beyond the civil administration to address it; rest be assured the Indian Army will save them and provide relief so that you can see their happy faces again as and when you return. You are in an alien land and I have no doubts that you will work there and subsequently settle there. You will plead, beg, importunate, stand in a queue and impress the immigration officer to extend your visa or apply for a green card. I wish you success. However, due to some unfortunate reason should you return to your motherland, you would be welcome without a question and the Indian Army, which you hate as plague, will continue to give your security and safety so that you can pick up the threads of your life again. I rest my case. You are welcome to continue with your diatribe. I wish you well and please concentrate on your studies as these times will never come again. God; bless you.

buddha said...

the 600km-range air-launched supersonic LRCM that is also now under development (for delivering tactical nuclear warheads), ....A line from 2012 thread of yours....
Has this project been postponed ...

DAshu said...

To be frank all the so called defense ministers are miserable, inadequate, but she is giving very tuff competition to the guy from Goa who had mastery in hunting down the invisible hand

DAshu said...

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/will-act-against-inimical-elements-along-loc-pak-assures-india/articleshow/65430004.cms

Pierre Zorin said...

EUREKA! This could be India's public peeing problem solution- the first part of the video....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIf9I3shf6s

Unknown said...

the root cause of this malaise in India is lack of an indian grand narrative. the israeli grand narrative is clear to the dog on the street that israel is the homeland of jews and its identity in essence is jewish. all other minorities in israel like the muslim arabs have to reconcile with this. now when jehadi terrorists attack israel or israeli citizens it considers this attack as an attack on jewish identity or on the israeli grand narrative. this mobilises right from the dog on the street (metaphorically) to the isreali prime minister and IDF in action.

in India what is the narrative. NOTHING. Infact the history i learnt in NCERT books was that india has amalgamated all different cultures brought by foreigners whether the Mughals or British. so all invasions were good in India as we indians enriched our culture with mughlai cuisine, british tea/food habits, lovely architectural wonders like the Taj Mahal/Red Fort etc. Hence this implies that if earlier invasions added value to our culture the present ones like westernisation, maoism, islamism etc would also add value. Hence, people in the indian media/academia etc defending all these foreign concepts. So when india is physically invaded across LoC by a failed state like Pakistan, what do you think the dog on the street to the minister in delhi would do? how do you think he would react? he would do nothing but to be at the defensive as there is no grand narrative across the nation to defend. infact there would be political parties, intellectual and media cronies who would cast doubt even on surgical strikes declared officially by the military. did you not observe this. why is it that there are so many differences and conflicts resulting in India being a RTD or RTL? because you dont have fuckin grand narrative till date. Even the amercians have a grand narrative known as AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM. Even Pakistan has a grand narrative, albeit flawed and self destructive, of an islamic state of subcontinent muslims with india (dar ul harab) being its enemy. it is under this grand narrative that Pakistan as a nation state has worked since 1947 and hence its aggression towards india and Indias meek response due to its want of a grand narrative. Now how long will such a grand narrative take to establish? god know. So my suggestion is that understand the root cause of the problem and accordingly develop perspective. And avoid making the cardinal mistake of comparing a nation without a grand narrative to a nation with a clear and unapologetic grand narrative like israel.

Cheers


kunal

Suvo said...

Prasun da,thanks for the reply.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

Here is another post from a retd. Lt. Gen. warning about the potential for PRC aggression in the next several months:

http://www.atimes.com/will-china-deliver-a-strategic-shock-to-india-before-elections/

Given all this, wo'nt it be better to jettison nuclear no first use to make it clear that any attempt to humiliate India like in 1962 will lead to a nuclear conflict?

Satyaki

Sujit said...

Prasun sir,
Is khibini really that deadly and effective as said during uss donald duck incident??
Why we are simply not integrating khibini into our su30??

DAshu said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aum8vbF9XOc
clever tactic by pak . I wonder there must be some reasons why most jokes are on sardars.

Anonymous said...

@Pierre Zorin, well said, however the letter to the Israeli Premier will be of no use I am afraid. Israel never had an enemy like Paks. An enemy that is not only crazy but actually knows how to fight. PAF actually shot down IDAF aircrafts in the war of 1973. They did nothing. Pak managed to build the nukes, they did nothing. In their actions they never tried to make Paks an enemy. They are not going to that now either, not for India. If we want revenge we need to take it ourselves. Just as our PM has found that they actually never stop needling us, no matter how many surgical strikes we do. Pakis are a different breed. Even on the playground you generally leave people like that alone. The only way is all out war with them.

RAT

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Yasen-M, Russia's first single-hulled SSGN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEzgQ26W4hE

Unknown said...

@RAT beg to disagree. Had Pakistan had a neighbour like Israel instead of india, the cost of.terrorism would have been so high that their paper tiger generals would have been shitting in their pants. Israel would have taken POK in the 60s and 70s itself. This is what self respecting nation's who know that their self is a Jewish nation state instead of india which nobody knows stands for what or is having what self. There was a period in the 50s and 60s when the conduct of indian politicians was such that it appeared india is an Islamic state. Now the projection is that it is a hindu extremist state under Bjp. But what the fact is? It is none. So what does india stand for?what is it's grand narrative? What are the thin lines crossing which india punishes its internal and external enemies. Don't you see many Indians still having the perception that getting independence to kashmir would solve the problem of india. There was a blogger who said in this blog that india should.get rid of north east! So do you think that with this kind of mindset india will ever have the ability to go for all our war when a.set of intelligentsia and politicians are pretty ok in blabbering secession of states in the union. Didn't you notice congress asking for separate flag of karnataka state? This party claims that it gave india it's independence. So war all out to get what and why when many ordinary people dont even want to keep north east india with india should india go for war to take POK. Be practical.

Regards

Kunal

Pierre Zorin said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfMK739lnKw why weren't these considered for scouting and close air support? Would be useful in the NE as well as Western India.

Pierre Zorin said...

RAT - I think that is because Israel is tied by the US. The Americans like to play both sides - a habit obtained from the UK. Almost all Western powers do this but the US is very good at it. The Russians and the Chinese do not have the leverage the US has over most countries hence they are only limited to their own sphere of influence in a small number of countries.
The real issue in India is- politicians have no vision and no plan. They make up as they go and whilst all political leaders look after their own interest before the country - Indian leaders have a phD in that. Like the Minister in Yes Minister said, " our policy is not to have a policy". This extends to everything- defence, defence manufacturing, R&D, Pakistan, China, separatist movements, unemployment and commerce. You can see the weird mindset when they fight over Ram and Hanuman and completely ignore practical historical personalities such as Kautilya/Chanakya. Indians forget Nalanda and extol Harvard. Why even Penthouse and Playboy are nothing compared to Khajuraho/Konarak. Refuse to Develop and Refuse to Learn - sums up the Indian leadership psyche.

Sujit said...

Superb sir..its just superb..is this the submarine you were saying that russia will sell the design to india for our ssn project??,.i hope so cauz its real deadly fighter aicraft of the undersea.

Sujit said...

Prasun sir, m really anxious to know if drdo has any project similar to us navy next gen jammer system ??

Ram Bharadwaj said...

1. Is GOI and IN going for the 2nd russian Nuclear sub on lease?

2. Any updates on the proposed 6 SSN attack subs IN was proposing to build? Will it be with russian or french assitance?

3. What is the news on the p-75i? When is the first boat expected?

4. Is IN going in for 3 more Scorpenes?

5. Is IN going to have a nuclear attack sub before the lease of Akula (INS Chakra) expires in 2022?

ashish gautam said...

Arey prasun sir hmare questions ka answer to kr dijiye

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ASHISH GAUTAM: Welcome to the Wild, Wild East!

https://twitter.com/official_dgar/status/1030671775426924544

Arey yaar, thora busy hoon, asli ghuspathieye ke peeche lagaa hoon. Dekho kya kya aslehaa wahaan smuggle kiya jaata hai. Wahaa se Dimapur aur phir wahaa se seedhe Camp Hebron.

Pierre Zorin said...

Every state in other federal systems have their own emblems but not a flag because then they are promoting themselves as a republic within the federation. India can't have a grand vision because the leadership have no idea what it is they are leading. This whole issue about race and religion emerge because of a lack of grand vision. Suddenly there is very little promotion of INDIAN and plenty of separatist slogans. Who needs Pakistan and China - the leaders alone can tear the country apart just like they did in 1947. No Super Sukhoi or Yasen sub can protect against such suicidal mindset.

RAT said...

Well said Kunal @RAT Pak af was covertly involved in the war which later was made public also Pakis were operating western aircrafts hence had some advantage with its plus and minuses. Not all IDAF were aces remember that. Israel is firm on its interests wich is linked to their survival as a nation we Indians are still locked over in battle of States Languages Caste and Religion only when we keep our national interest above all is when India rises and shines. As for POK IA has the ability its only the political will that matters. And stop using RAT pseudo name I am using it prior to you get a different one.

Sidharth said...

Prasun da,

http://pib.nic.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1543360#.W3l-s93L_Z0.twitter

Can you please shed some light on this test - now ready for production and integration on LCH and Rudra.

ashish gautam said...

Omg.... Ok ok... Keep it up.... Answer whenever you r free...

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1- Is there a possibility of the US doing a U turn on pakistan given the new govt may take the US for a ride? how should India deal with it if it happens
2- helina & SAAW tested for operationalization, any news on QRSAM, Gaurda / Garuthmaa guided bombs
3 - this link -https://defenceupdate.in/project-18indias-next-generation-destroyer/ .. talks about railguns, laser weapons etc.. hoe realistic is this ?
4- Given that the elections are around the corner, this govt will not be making any defence decisions.. that means a delay of another year or so for mmrca .. How will this pan out & who is most likely to win ?
5- what is the chances of IN ordering more scorpenes [3-4 additional ones] in a F2F deal outside of P75I?

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1-Why is the L band radar left put of Super Su upgrade ? cost space or is it simpley not reqd
2- Will RAFAEL's BNET-AR SD be a standard fitment across jets in IAF (tejas, jag upgrade etc)
3- what is the imp of drogue illumination light? is it a complex tech.. why is it that only US & France have it so far
4- Will the geometric stealth concepts be used in tejas mk2 in a similar measure as its being planned for AMCA given that its supposed to be a new jet as compared to tejas mk1a

just_curious said...

Prasun, how true is the following stmt...


EL/M-2052 Elta HAL radar for tejas Mk1a is a GaN-based radar with 1500 TRMs. Thought only Saabd had perfected it (hence it was being offered as a pacakge with gripen E). Drdo also has been working on GaN tech.. Are there any updates to it. will this tech be incorporated into Uttam radar for Mk2

Unknown said...

@Pierre Zorin. it appears you are stereotyping and straighjacketing things. first why are you comparing india with other developed countries? what should be the reference point for comparison? should not comparison be between two apples rather apples and oranges. i suggest just compare india with neghbouring china and south east asian countires first. Khajuraho/Konark are not Penthouse and Playboys of their time. here is a an important analysis of Khajuraho which will explain it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpp4kratQ0

Regards

kunal

Ankit Singh said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsL2RPZkCFg
This thing will be very helpful for our forces fighting the naxals and their IED's

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUJIT: The Yasen-M is an SSGN, not an SSN. The IN & Russian Navy both require SSNs. The US next-gen airborne jammer suite is made up of 3 pods for tactical aircraft: low-band, mid-band & high-band. In India so far, only mid-band & high-band jammers have been developed by DARE.

To RAM BHARADWAJ: 1) Yes, because when INS Chakra goes for its mid-life refit, another one will have to fill in the void. 2) It is with Russian assistance. 3) That project is dead, as is the P-76. 4) Yes. 5) Of course not. Stop joking.

To SIDDHARTH: The press-release only states that the HELINA was test-fired from an ARMY helicopter, meaning the Rudra. The LCH order comes from the IAF, not the Army. Hence, HELINA will have to be test-fired from LCH as well in future. The HELINA attaining its full-range means it is ready for entering series-production. But only an IDIOT will bother to fire HELINA in the afternoon, since no enemy will be using MBTs at such time of the day for the sake of getting fried by the soaring temperatures of the deserts. Instead, the enemy will use MBTs only from dusk till dawn, as was the case in 1971 at Longewala. So why the hell the IA insists on ATGMs being used in the afternoons in the deserts is anyone’s guess. Sheer stupidity, if you ask me. HELINA could well have entered service 2 years ago had such stupidity been avoided!

To JUST_CURIOUS: Who takes what types of turns is yet to be seen, but the US will stay its course because it wants to punish China through Pakistan, let’s have no doubts about it. 2) The glide-bombs are GAUTAM & GAURAV. They are already being flight-tested. 3) Total hogwash & utter baloney. 4) Not necessarily. 5) At least 3 more Scorpene SSKs will be ordered AFTER the IN completes its validation of the ‘desi’ AIP module. 6) L-band radars aren’t reqd for Super Su-30MKI since L-band APAR-equipped A-50I PHALCONS will do the job of airborne battle management. 7) Yes. 8) It is for flight safety-related reasons. 9) No. 10) Both RBE-2 & EL/M-2052 are GaN-based AESA-MMRs. GaN is a novelty only in India, & not anywhere else.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://media.defense.gov/2018/Aug/16/2001955282/-1/-1/1/2018-CHINA-MILITARY-POWER-REPORT.PDF

http://164.100.47.193/lsscommittee/Estimates/pr_files/PRESS%20RELEASE%20Def%20Prep.docx

Bhutan’s White Gold (India-sponsored hydroelectric projects):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYdqtaMSOI&t=24s

Excellent interview of Sardar Akhtar Mengal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b8RB9O_40g

Secret History of Silicon Valley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6dIQ6KK3og

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/army-plans-transformation-drill-to-be-lean-and-mean-force/articleshow/65465504.cms (looks like the MoD has after all read all that had appeared in the thread dealing with the Chhamb battles of 1965 & 1971!)

To ACHARYA ASHIS: Do read this: https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/2016/03/29/electronic-countermeasure-ecm/

To SATYAKI: LoLz! Anyone who knew thje true state of the PLA would never have reached such a conclusion. Just try to count the number of times since 2013 that Xi Jinping has called on the PLA to ensure war readiness/preparedness. Why? Obviously because he thinks that the PLA is not up to the task. In short, military corruption is at a dangerously unprecedented level & bribery and embezzlement in the top ranks had corroded morale and threatened battle-readiness in the armed forces. I have heard growing doubts about China’s actual fighting capabilities in some sections of the Chinese military, foreign diplomatic corps, and US academia, many of whose members are revising their views on the PLA. “Our assessment is they are nowhere near as effective as they think they are,” a Beijing-based defense attaché from a NATO country told me. What if the recent drums of war are a sign of China’s weakness and not its impressive new strength? “When Xi tells his troops to be ready for war, it’s really an admission that they’re in disarray,” says the defense attaché. “He’s saying, ‘You guys are drunk, fat, and happy, siphoning off all the money into private accounts, and you need to get real.'” Moreover, everytime an PLA formation like a Brigade goes for combined-arms exercises to one of the CATTBs they either suffer 50% battlefield attrition due to simulated enemy attacks, or most of their armoured vehicles break down prematurely, like this Type 86B MBT broke down in Russia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv55OAtApRo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn1hPpMFdmk

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ASHISH GAUTAM: VMT. Actually, I was busy attending a seminar module here:

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/labs1/ITM/English/indexnew.jsp?pg=about-lab.jsp

This institute is the core institution for training all 3 armed services about the basics & details on what is known as OTR or over-the-target requirements. The OTR is broken down into several components, like operations analysis of targetting, force-mix composition for striking differing targets, weapons-to-target & weapons-to-aircraft matching, all of which culminates into the science of airborne/space-borne recce for mission-planning & bomb-damage assessment. This is what enables any airborne force to undertake effects-based operations, which is part of the conduct of knowledge-based warfare i.e. conducting strategic & tactical operations with an appreciable degree of situational awareness, as opposed to conducting warfare based on second-guessing, i.e. estinates-based warfare.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2018/aug/19/first-home-grown-submarine-launched-missile-operationalised-after-2-decades-of-development-1859992.html

The ``upcoming test" the news item in the earlier linked referred to seems to have involved multiple launches of the K-15/B-05 and not the K-4. So, the problems with aborted launches may have also affected the K-15 earlier. Now that this seems to have been resolved for the K-15, let us hope that several K-4's are successfully tested in quick succession.

Kritavarma

Sujit said...

Thnkuu prasun sir for replying..ur the most informed person on indian defence matters..the best..
Sir, r we going to operate only 6 ssn or more?? My personal dream is to see indian navy have 10 scorpene ssk and 26 ssn apart from ssbn..is it possible sir ?
Will tejas mk2 or now called as medim combat aircraft will have canards??
Is it possible to hv the internal fuel capacity of f35 i.e 8300kg in our tejas mk2? It would give longer combat radius..instead of 3500kg internal fuel capacity that is being touted to be in tejas mk2.

Sujit said...

Prasun sir, is it the new husky class ssn submarine of russia that u were talking about?? Is this wud be given to india for our ssn project??
Kolkata class are under armed in comparison to their japanese or us navy ships with similar tonnage.why sir??

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun,
After going through suggestions on atr aircraft being refurbished with digital flight controls and glass cockpit, I am wondering why not a scenario where reliance /private entity purchase the ipr of say a narrow body aircraft like dassault mercury (1960) range of2000km and modernize it and Manufacture in India so that domestic airlines buy it in huge numbers at low cost per unit (say 10mill usd) and help Modi achieve hie vision where ppl wearing Hawaii chappals can fly short routes in India? Mercury was not mass manufactured it seems Bcoz of range limitations in us market. Another aircraft to consider the Tristar from LM for wide body jet.
-Ke

Anonymous said...

Also Gov has to lower atf charges and then Indian rail will be forced to reform when common man flies often. 4000 or so such aircraft req by domestic industry next 10 years man line should be feasible.
-ke

Mohan said...

Prasun sir,
1.how german many to develop first air defence with ao many types of early warning radars,ground controlled intercepter,etc.. in 1942? So early and advance
Regards

SK said...

Prasun,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsL2RPZkCFg

Does IA has any system of similar capability in its arsenal, not just to protect the nuclear missile carrying trucks but for conventional de-mining requirement. Regular flail/roller/plough equipped demining equipment are in use for a while but a microwave based system has its own advantages as it can be used for not just against mines but for IEDs as well.

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Prasun Da,

Of course you will know it better but IMO, Indigenization of defense manufacturing will never happen in India because these political parties at the Center who run the country always get a cut/kickback from foreign companies every time they place an order.

Therefore, this massive cut they receive will disappear if Indigenization is a success in India.

Thanks,

Sujoy

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUJIT: Once SSNs enter the IN’s fleet, the IN will do what almost all other navies operating nuclear-powered submarines do, i.e. gradually switch over to an all-SSN/SSBN fleet, simply because it then becomes highly uneconomical to operate SSKs alongside nuclear-powered submarines. And once the single-hulled SSNs enter service with Russia, that country too will stop operating SSKs & will build SSKs only for export. Tejas Mk.2’s internal fuel capacity will be 4 tonnes because the 1-metre fuselage stretch & corresponding enlarged wing sections will opffer more internal volume.

To KE: There’s no need to purchase any IPR because the company is jointly owned by Dassault & reliance & hence the name Dassault Reliance Aerospace. Hence, the IPR will be jointly owned by both Dassault & reliance. The Falcon family of business jets can easily be stretched further to morphe into 30-seat, 60-seat & 70-seat regional commuter airliners like what Bombardier Aerospace & Embraer have done.

To MOHAN: How? Elementary: just give a free hand to scientists & physicists to experiment with their iodeas & make as money accessible to them as they want.

To SK: Such vehicles are reqd only when the ICBM launch-sites are located in the plains or within heavuily forested flatlands, like Russia has in plenty. The Indian IVBMs like their Chinese counterparts are stored inside mountains, i.e. enclosed areas that do not require such protective vehicles.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: LoLz! What you have suggested is aking to the tail wagging the dog. The problem is far deeper & is reflective of attitudinal problems/deficiencies. For instance can you imaging successive Govts of India passing the operational instructions (war directives) for a two-front war on one hand, & on the other, contradicting such a directive by allowing the Union MoF to cut down the funds reqd for force modernisation & this then leads to shortages of WWRs!!! And why so? Because this current GoI has launched 106 different developmental schemes directly from the PMO for so-called ‘poverty alleviation’! Similarly, the UPA-2 was obsessed with MNREGA & thus turned a blind eye to the funds reqd for military fiorce modernisation. Let me share another horror story with you: did you know that the J R D tata Committee had recommended in eartly 1963 that the IAF have 63 squadrons, with 35 of them being combat aircraft squadrons? Well, the authorisation came only in 1978 for 42 combat aircraft squadrons, but to date the Union MoF has financially SANCTIONED only 35 combat aircraft squadrons & that includes the two Mi-25/Mi-35P attack helicopter sqns. The IAF tried to circumvent this by raising the number to 37 by creating 2 dedicated recce squadrons in the 1980s, but both have since been disbanded. How many folks in India know about this?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KRITAVARMA & SATYAKI: LoLz! That ‘imbecile’ of a news-reporter surely is the most shameless ‘desi’ patrakaar one has had to come across so far! Imagine him claiming to be told on the ‘phone’ about all such details! Most importantly, according to this imbecile, if a 750km-range SLBM is to be part of a strategic triad, then the launching SSBN either has to be right next to the enemy’s coastline for launching a SLBM that can travel 750km inland, or the SSBN has to be positioned 70km from the enemy’s coastline in very shallow waters so that the SLBM can hit a targert 700km inside the enemy’s territory! Do you see how STUPID & ILLOGICAL such news-reports are? But thankfully the IN is not like this imbecile & has therefore decided not to install the B-05 SLBM on the S-2/S-3/S-4 SSBNs.

And then there are these retards posting FAKE NEWS:

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1031824193900478464

The Sprut is being offered by Russia but there are no takers for it in India. That's because the Ruskies are GUESSING that such light tanks are reqd for transportation to the A & N island chain by ship either just prior to or during hostilities. In reality, the A & N Command wants to permanently pre-position an armoured brigade group within the island-chain, i.e. the T-72CIAs & BMP-2s will be permanently deployed there. Nor are light tanks reqd for either Ladakh or the North East, since the existing C-17As can easily airlift T-72CIAs & T-90S to either Leh or at the ALGs in Arunachal Pradesh.

No room for the MiG-35 either, especially after the bad experience of the Indian Navy, since the MiG-29Ks were certified for operations in the White Sea & not within the IOR, where operating conditions are totally different. ASnd that's because there was no coordination between the ACNS (Plans) that handles new hardware selection, & the ACNS (Ops) who is responsible for operational taskings. The same situation prevails within IAF HQ as well, whereby ACAS Plans NEVER shares his plans/files with ACAS Ops & hence there has never been any clarity on the formulation of service-specific Long-Term Perspective Plans of all 3 services. For instance, while ACAS Ops under the VCAS is responsible for flying all combat aircraft, it is the ACAS Plans under the Deputy CAS at IAF HQ who is responsible for selecting the type of hardware reqd, be it aircraft, weapons, jammer pods, etc etc. Som when a jammer pod is acquired, ACAS Plans reckons such pods can be installed in the centreline pylon, while ACAS Ops gets horrified since the centreline pylon holds the largest fuel tank & without such a fuel tank the aircraft's combat radius gets drastically reduced! That's how the six ELT-555 jammer pods were acquired for the Jaguar US from Elettronica in the 1980s, while the IAF's plans for procuring a large number of Ericsson Radio Systems AQ-31 E-J-band CW jammer pods never took off due to the DRDO overruling this procurement, & in the end being unable to develop the 'Tempest' jammer pod. Same was the case with the 'Trap' & 'trumpet' pods, which never saw the light of day.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

This was for the SOF raids inside Myanmar in mid-2015 & the cross-LoC strike in September 2016:

https://twitter.com/adgpi/status/1030823954804396033

By awarding this, the US is sending a strong signal to India to 'do more' of the same kind.

XVII Corps HQ at Panagarh operational: https://twitter.com/adgpi/status/1027175459295920128

The Corps is officially known as the BRAHMASTRA Corps.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

Indeed the K-15 makes no sense, except as a first step for R&D. Was the reporter making up the story of multiple K-15 tests then? If not, why test the K-15 when it is no longer useful ?

Kritavarma

flanker143 said...

Sir, right now Tejas mk1 is considered overweight and mk1a will be no different.
But as you have said that mk2 will be 1 meter longer, will have 4 tons of internal fuel plus added weight of avionics like maws, internal aspj plus added weight of a longer fuselage. Will f414 be able to provide enough thrust for Tejas mk2 ?
Will the Tejas mk2 airframe be strengthened to handle additional thrust from f414 epe for future upgrade potential ??

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da, another jolt for Xi:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/21/malaysian-pm-says-multi-billion-dollar-china-financed-projects-cancelled.html

rad said...

hi prasun
it seems totally illogical to field a 750 km ballistic missile on a sub! what is the the real motive and use?

the wing tip jammer pods to go on the super sukhoi are both in the same band or different bands? it does not make sense having 2 jammers in the same band.?

Is the el-8215 a full spectrum jammer , can it take care of the ylc series of Chinese radar supplied to pak?



Prasun K. Sengupta said...

1st IAF-TUDM Air Exercise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpEvcqGb-tw

Malaysia Cancels ECRL, Pipeline Projects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zyP1xE9glo

China to Import More Palm-Oil from Malaysia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieGyDN7wvR0

PM Mahathir's Visit to China Analysed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JexDKSRVXkw

Malaysia's Importance to China is Underplayed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=wdQ4Ea93BQ4

Macau Scam Syndicate inside Malaysia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouJHu2z1IQY

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/independence-day-afspa-indian-soldiers-miliatry-army-act-ministry-of-defence-5318222/

Sujit said...

Prasun sir thnku for the earlier reply..while it wud be wonderful and economical as u said to have an all ssn fleet but one retd.admiral once said that all ssn fleet in indian context is not feasible cauz of shallow waters of arabian sea where a ssn will have difficulty to operate and a ssk would operate finely..he said that despite the tremendous unlimited endurance and speed of ssn, they are noisier than a ssk cauz of cooling pumps for the nuclear reactor and gave e.g.of how ins sindhuratna intercepted uss corpuschisti in malabar exercise 2012..he opined to have few ssk which could be used near choke points and ssn would operate all over the battleseafieldd..
2- and sir would l&t build our ssn?? Cauz in 2017 there was a report that no shipbuilder is cmng forward for the project..

ashish gautam said...

Sir abi be aapne mere north east vale question is detail answer nai bataya.... Galat baat... :(
Btao ek bar fir pdh k...
Ye Jo Sukhoi or dunia bhar k khareed rkhe hai... Ye kya sirf show off k liye hai???
Q nai camp hebron Jaisi jgho Ko destroy Kia jata vo be aise chance pe jb unke max possible bande vha present ho??

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUJIT: SSns come in various shapes & forms. Those of the US are ocean-going while those of France & the UK are smaller & quieter. That's why even Russia's new-gen SSNs will be smaller in size & displace not more than 4,000 tonnes. One therefore cannot maske a blanket statement about SSNs being unsuitable for shallow-water operations. And it is the cost-benefit analysis that is the best indicator of whether or not to have an all-SSN fleet. The experience of both the UK & France indicates that having an SSN fleet is indeed the most optimum solution, as opposed to operating both SSNs & SSKs. Even Russia has now adopted this model. Hence, anyone, even an Admiral who is talking about operating mixed SSN/SSK fleets is totally clueless about the cost-benefit ratios associated with such claims. Of course the IN will have to acquire home-built SSNs. L & T is the ONLY shipbuilder that can execute such a mammoth project.

To ASHISH GAUTAM: Here is all you need to know about Camp Hebron:

https://scroll.in/article/769840/at-camp-hebron-an-ambitious-project-is-under-way-a-peace-accord-to-settle-the-naga-question

The Su-27/Su-30 families of H-MRCAs are expensive to operate & maintain & therefore the more numbers of them one has, the cheaper it becomes to maintain & service the fleets. Only Russia, China & India can do this. All other air forces who operate small Su-27/Su-30 H-MRCA fleets are beset with huge problems. Read this:

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-08-06/new-malaysian-government-reveals-su-30mkm-readiness-woes

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Revolution in Indian Military Affairs (RIIMA):

https://theprint.in/talk-point/indian-army-reforms-cutting-administrative-flab-or-needless-downsizing/101576/

Interesting tit-bits:

https://theprint.in/opinion/when-attacking-sidhu-keep-in-mind-punjabs-most-famous-live-in-couple/103060/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/who-is-aroosa-alam-sidhu-hug-puts-punjab-spotlight-on-amarinder-s-lady-friend-1320695-2018-08-22

ashish gautam said...

Ok thanks for it.
Sir I have a question regarding Russian aircraft engines....
1) Why do they require more maintenance then their western counter part??
I am saying this on basis of general trend in which I see Russian engines to b more maintenance loving power houses....
2) Are they poorly designed & manufactured or they have any other issue where westerns lead them...??
3) why we experience a bad after service spare support from Russians?? Why this doesn't happen in western case??

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KAUSTAV: Now another MORON has come forward:

https://twitter.com/PiyushGoyal/status/1027511189524213762

A previous MORON who had made a mess of the AW-101 procurement (CM of Goa) is now in the US awaiting a replacement of his Pancreas! Just hope his medical bills aren;t being paid by the Indian taxpayer!!!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

See & learn how Bakri Eid used to be exploited by Pakistan's proscribed Tanzeems for raising funds for Jihad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OXQbSZ0p0Y&t=64s

Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

Your earlier clarifications and the evident politicking in every defence deal from Bofors to HDW to AW101 to Rafale to this latest junket show that the priorities of our nation lie not n it's defence but votes which have resulted in nixing many good deals as well as the short term expedient of PSU licensed manufacture

AMIT BISWAS said...

Sir going by the political sluggfest if opposition comes to power in 2019, we shouldnot be surprised to see rafale procurement deal going AW101 way ....making india a laughter stock afteralll...what's ur take on rafale future ....bcoz first delivery is in September 2019, govt will change hands by May 2019....it is highly likely that new govt will either cancel the deal or go for renegotiation

Sujit said...

Thnkuu prasun sir, i seriously hope l&t gets the order not only that, they get the order for next gen missile vessels and destroyers..personally m totally fed up by the psu like mazgoan docks ..they delay every project completion..
Sir, will tejas mk2 have canard configuration??

Pierre Zorin said...

Army 2018 T90M debuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rN5FaC5yzs

bhoutik said...

is exercise "Saif Sareea 3" a prelude to something

Sumit sen said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=sDXIUNUfPFY
Dada interesting video plz watch

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1 Will Super Su have open architecture fr its avionics?
2 will Super Su upgrade also include integration of next gen russian weapons developed for Su 57 eg K77 kh, Kh-59MK, Kh-36 Grom etc

RAT said...

Pierre just answer these questions who elects these politicians? Where do the come from? Even after making mistakes and enjoying public money why are they again elected? Politics is a business the one who is able to fool maximum people rules them and enjoys at the cost of these fools and that's true atleast for us Indians.

jasss gill said...

Sirji when IA start t 90s to t 90m standard upgrade

Prranshu Yadav said...

I agree that with 750 km range it would be nonsensical to use B-05 as an SLBM. But the following article says that the range is 750 km if the missile carries a 1000 kg warhead. But when a 17 KT nuclear warhead weighing 180 kg is carried then the range increases to 1800 km, and that this 17 KT warhead is currently the mainstay of Indian nuclear arsenal. Can you please comment on this?

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/indias-multifunction-missile-for-credible-deterrent/

Paresh said...

Interesting:

https://ibb.co/fBjV7e

Ram Bharadwaj said...

Prasun,

Are these accurate reports?

1. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/with-new-engine-russia-may-re-pitch-su-57-stealth-jet-project-to-india-1904956?pfrom=home-topstories

2. Is IAF going for NASAMS from USA?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAM BHARADWAJ: 1) Yes, but when will the turbofan capable of offering super-cruise performance be made available? It is nowhere in sight as of now. 2) No, those are rumours being spread by the very 'desi' patrakaars' who can;t differentiate between the S-400 & Akash SAMs.

To PRRANSHU YADAV: That piece-of-fiction was written by a totally discredited individual who can't tell the difference between a single-stage TBM (Shaurya) & a two-stage TBM (B-05). Logically therefore all his conclusions too will be utterlky flawed.

To JASSS GILL: T-90M is a brand-new design & therefore its elements can;t be offered as upgrades for any existing MBT.

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) Yes. 2) Yes.

To SUJIT: MDSL cannot fabricate the complete warship UNLESS & UNTIL the IN’s Design Bureay freezes the design. The fault is that of the IN & not of MDSL.

To AMIT BISWAS: The Rafale deal will be implemented as it now stands. No one in power will even bother to look into it, just as this Govt is not doing anything at all about the AW-101 contract. BTW, watch these nitwits trying to become domain experts WRT Rafale deal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcJRXmYWXW0

Meanwhile, the 'father' of the NPOL's APSOH sonar development effort is now in India:

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1032608059321982976

And interesting signalling being done by the Indian MoD by first meeting Japan's Defence Minister, & only after that China's Defence Minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqqE3MgoQEw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WivSbm8-X68

Rajesh Mishra said...

26,450 Year Old Hindu Idol of Lord Shiva:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhHQT0HYWq0

True or Hoax ?

Flanker143 said...

Sorry i am posting my query again... i guess u missed it the first time.

Sir, right now Tejas mk1 is considered overweight and mk1a will be no different.
But as you have said that mk2 will be 1 meter longer, will have 4 tons of internal fuel plus added weight of avionics like maws, internal aspj plus added weight of a longer fuselage. Will f414 be able to provide enough thrust for Tejas mk2 ?
Will the Tejas mk2 airframe be strengthened to handle additional thrust from f414 epe for future upgrade potential ??

Sujit said...

Ohh.then prasun sir how l&t was able to deliver the patrol ships before schedule?? Was it an inhouse design of l&t??
Sir, what is the detection range of uttam aesa radar and what is the automatic tracking range??
Is it equals to thales rbe2 aesa of rafale interms of technology??
Is mk1A going to have levcons sir?

Anup said...

Sir,

This version India going to order?
http://alert5.com/2018/08/24/40n6-3d-image-revealed/

Pierre Zorin said...

How Israel modified F-16 for its own use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9UwBJWeDA0

Enigma said...

Greetings sir.The US said that Mike Pompeo had asked Imran Khan to take action against terrorists on Pakistan's soil.Pakistan said that there was no mention in the conversation about terrorists in Pakistan and asked for the readout to be corrected but the US state department spokesperson said that the US stands by the readout.What is going on?Why the denial by Pakistan?It's not the first time that they've been asked by the US to take action against terrorists on their soil.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://forceindia.net/22-indian-private-shipbuilders-call-government-support/

http://forceindia.net/defence-tracked-combat-vehicle-tender-awarded-ashok-leyland/

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFEFekPzDM

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To FLANKER 143: I didn't miss it all all. In fact, they were all answered several times before & the answer to all of them is YES.

To SUJIT: Yes, the L & T-built vessels were all designed in-house. Only the Naval Design Bureau takes a very long time to freeze the warship designs & that's why the first-of-type warships built by all MoD-owned shipyards take the longest time to be built, while the second & third follow-on vessels of the same type get completed much faster & are therefore commisioned into service at a rate of 1 every year. As for AESA-MMRs, theyb all have more-or-less the same performance parametersm but the Uttam still has a long way to go in terms of emerging as a mature prodict. This is yet another example of the DRDO's technological overreach, meaning the DRDO should have taken an evolutionary approach by first developing AESA-based fire-control/engagement radars for ground-based SHORADS air-defence systems, & only after that the AESA-MMR should have been developed. To even try to develop third-generation radars without first masterinbg the science of developing first- & seconbd-generation radars is ILLOGICAL & STUPIDITY. If the Tejas Mk.1A wants to attain the IAF-specified agility metrics, then LEVCONs will vhave to be incorporated.

To ENIGMA: The denial is because as per the ideology of a national security state like Pakistan, the Jihadi tanzeems like Afghan Taliban, JeM & LeT are viewed as freedom-fighters, not terrorists. Only those tanzeems that consider Pakistan as being un-Islamic--like the Pakistani Taliban & Al Qaeda & ISIS--labelled as terrorists by Pakistan. That's why the Indian PM should have made his own Podcast within 24 hours of Imran Khan's first post-=election speech in which NaMo should have stated that if Pakistan is really desirous of improving relations with India, then the first first step to be taken by Pakistan is to ban all existing Pakistani school textbooks which state that India is for the Hindus & that all such Hindus are anti-Pakistan & anti-Islam, i.e. hatred against India is compulsorily taught in all Pakistani schools from a very early age. So, if this kind of hate-mongering is officially practiced in Pakistan, then which Pakistani can be expected to look upon India with favourable/positive eyes? And even if Imran Khan wants good ties with India, then he will face heavy backlash from his own citizens who will ask: why are you seeking good ties with India while all of us Pakistanis are taught from the very beginning to hate India & regard India as Pakistan's perpetual enemy? And then what will be Imran Khan's answer? In India, her citizens take all such matters are often taken for granted because Inbdia being a welfare state, her school textbooks NEVER teach hatred toward any country or community. The Indian mindset is therefore diametrically the opposite of a Pakistani mindset & hence everytime someone from Pakistan holds out a lollypop, Indians, eszpecially in Lutyens' Delhi. automatically & falsely ASSUME that such gestures are well-meaning & therefore they go ga-ga with their bleeding liberalistic hearts, & not one of them I bet has ever read any school textbook prescribed for Pakistani children & what's written in them!!! Unless & until such gullible Indians themselves examine & seek out such objective ground realities, they will continue to appear in various Indian TV talk shows & newspaper Op-Eds & engage in one-sided & delusional sermonising about normalising bilateral relations with Pakistan.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

And the same goes for all our 'netas' who mouth platitudes about making peace with Pakistan. They should neither do this, nor should they demonise Pakistan at all costs. Instead, they should always show the MIRROR to Pakistan by explaining the objective ground realities of the type I've explained above. Otherwise history will repeat itself again like in late 1962 when Pandit Chacha Nehru had to openly admit that "we have all this while been living in a world of make-belief while refusing to read the writing on the wall".

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ANUP: Presently, the S-400 makes use of four different types of supersonic endo-atmospheric interceptor missiles (top speed of 4.8km/second): the 40N6E, the 9M96E2, the 48N6E3 and the 48N6E2, all of which are armed with HE-fragmentation warheads. What Russia has proposed for the IAF are two HYPERSONIC endo-atmospheric missiles, the 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI, having top speeds of 7km/second and also being the first SAMs of Russian origin to possess INERT warheads, i.e. warheads that do not contain any explosives and instead, are ‘hittile’, meaning they will destroy inbound TBMs, IRBMs or MRBMs by sheer force of impact. The most revolutionary element of the 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI hypersonic LR-SAMs will be their on-board nose-mounted, Ka band millimeter-wave active phased-array radar seekers and their real-time discrimination algorithms required for fire-control and guidance of hit-to-kill interceptors. To this end, the radar seekers have been designed with a rigid mount and narrow beam to provide precise angle metric accuracy. The combination of metric accuracy, wide bandwidth, and high Doppler-resolution capabilities makes them excellent sensors for real-time discrimination, for they can provide extremely accurate identification-processing estimates of motion differences caused by mass imbalances on real and threat-like targets.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

For everyone's weekend viewing & intellectual enrichment:

Mughals in KYRGYZSTAN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYWVuCHq7Z0

LADAKH History https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKMXr2XOd6M

Vijayanagar Empire Explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4nNHt-CuEw

Why Buddhism Disappeared from India https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxEhmCc2LhQ

Why did British Invade Tibet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMt5T1hu1zQ

Who are Uyghurs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deduQrZrduw

When was the Malay Golden Age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS_5Eov0QHE

India's 'Gurus' Gone Bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMFSkbom4A

Pappu at IISS in the UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rItYt2ufM6o (how the fuck this nitwit secured an invitation to this prestigiopus institution is anyone's guess!)

Pakistan's FM Shah Mehmood Qureshi's Address: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvBFTGpkP_o

Top-Level Pakistan Army Resfuffle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VV5_1SAWOE

Significance of PRC Defence Minister India Visit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWyazsuk9N8

Malaysia PM’s Visit to China Analysed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFCS4NDOLqY

French Rafales in Indonesia, To Visit India Next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dLE_w4Qa2A

Indian Defence Minister's Arrogance in Bengaluru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3blBpu4VI0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qeJncxEA9Q

Lastly, this utterly shameful behaviour (who reckon that India is their Baapon ka Jaghir) of relatives of the CM of Madhya Pradesh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQmhxXWqx84

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Now this is going too far:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/vvip-chopper-scam-ex-iaf-chief-quizzed/articleshow/65536985.cms

When will the MORONS from all the investigating agencies admit that it a competition for procuring VVIP transportation helicopters, the three-engined helicopter's offer always takes precedent over all other competing twin-engined helicopters? If this realisation doesn't dawn, then it can be safely & emphatically concluded that sound common-sense took flight from India decades ago & shows no sign of coming back to India!!!

Kapil said...

Prasun da, both 77N6-N and 77N6-NI are developed for S-500 and it has apparently entered product. So are you suggesting that India will be getting the new S-500 Prometheus? Am I reading that right?

Sujit said...

Prasun sir thnkuu for exposing the real deal for projects getting delayed..its sad that everyone blames mdl when something get delayed but not a word about the navy..
2-Sir u said indian navy going to go for an all ssn fleet that means p75i is dead..is this the reason cauz of which p75i not going forward?
3-sir is tejas mk2 will have canard configuration?
4-yesterday reports came in that the nal csir composites would make tejas 20% lighter..is it true?
And regarding the morons of investigative agencies u are talking about sir, i would say this is what happens when some people think they are omniscient because they have passed some civil service exam..arrogance at its best..

Unknown said...

Sir

What do you think about this news? Is it new composite not so far introduced in Tejas MK1? Will it result in substantial weights reduction for MK1A?

Or is this just indegenous effort for substituting imported composites alrady being used in Tejas MK1?

http://idrw.org/csir-tech-to-make-combat-aircraft-tejas-20-lighter/

Regards
Nikhil

Unknown said...

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/govt-approves-procurement-of-111-helicopters-for-navy-worth-rs-21000-crore/articleshow/65542051.cms
Hope procurement provess is speedy and fast.
Navy desparately needs this.

Anup said...

Sir,
Sorry for previous comment. Plz delete it.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/Defence-Ministry-clears-proposals-worth-Rs-46000-crore-570214
SO S-70B deal clear.

Pierre Zorin said...

What if India and Russia work out a plan and flog the T90S tanks to countries interested in second hand tanks - Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Afro countries and Peru or other South American countries and replace those with T90M tanks?
What if India and Syria do an oil deal whereby India forego buying oil from Iran and " buy " from Syria who would merely use Iranian ports to export to India? Can this legally circumvent US sanctions?
What if Russia donates military surplus stock to Kazakhstan - items of interest to India for example - and a while later Kazakhstan decides to sell these Kazakh stocks for financial reasons to India as a friendly country?
Would these little business ventures ever work out? :)

Enigma said...

Sir,a follow up question.Pakistan's uncooperativeness of Pakistan means that it's highly likely that they will be placed in the FATF 's black list (they are in the gray list now).This will raise the costs for exporters (foreign banks will charge more) plus it will become harder for expats to send money to Pakistan (a key source of sustenance for Pakistan's economy).Add Pompeo's statement to that in which he says that the US will closely be watching what the IMF does and that they don't want the IMF money to be used by Pakistan to pay their outstanding dues to China.So,like you said,it seems as though the noose is tightening around Pakistan's neck and it is not unthinkable that they could reach the point of no return soon.What exactly are the trigger events in your opinion that India and America are waiting for in order to launch the PoK operation and the multinational denuclearization operation respectively?Is India waiting for the UNGA session next month to get over and is the US waiting for Pakistan to close NATO Afghanistan supply routes?

bhoutik said...

the DAC today announced approval of a number of procuremnets.
--it mentions the procurement of 111 Utility Helicopters - which will these be and who will make/assemble them?
--it aso announced procurement of 14 Vertically Launched Short Range Missile Systems - what will these systems be?

is exercise "Saif Sareea 3" a prelude to something? airlines of france and brit also stopped flying there few days ago...

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Prasun Da,

Today MoD cleared the purchase of 14 short range SAM for the Navy of which they said, 4 SAMs will be purchased from a foreign vendor. Will you please state which foreign company is likely to supply these missiles ?

https://twitter.com/DefenceMinIndia/status/1033316492601741313

Thanks,

Sujoy

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To KAPIL: The SAM rounds used for the S-300 & S-400 SAM families are one & the same & hence the SAM rounds for the S-500 can also be used by the S-400 & S-300 LR-SAM families as well.

To SUJIT: 2) Yes, there’s no money to spend on both P-65I SSKs & SSNs. Hence, for P-75I, the only option is to go for more Scorpene SSKs that are equipped with the DRDO/L & T-built & developed AIP modules. 3) That has not been decided as yet. If the LCA-AF Mk.2’s wing area is increase appreciably, then there’s no need for canards. 5) That has already been implemented with Tejas Mk.1 & its content of such honeycomb sub-structures will increase on LCA-AF Mk.2. These structures are pre-fabricated & therefore do no need any riveting. They come as machined parts & the absence of crews, nuts & bolts results in weight reduction & low-observability. But all this is nothing new & such airframe parts were shown at Aero India 2015 & I had uploaded all their umages in the thread dealing with LCA-AF Mk.2.

To UNKNOWN/NIKHIL: That has already been implemented with Tejas Mk.1 & its content of such honeycomb sub-structures will increase on LCA-AF Mk.2. These structures are pre-fabricated & therefore do no need any riveting. They come as machined parts & the absence of crews, nuts & bolts results in weight reduction & low-observability. But all this is nothing new & such airframe parts were shown at Aero India 2015 & I had uploaded all their umages in the thread dealing with LCA-AF Mk.2.

To UNKNOWN: Not so fast. From DAC approval till contract signature, the time taken is 54 months at best. Also, not all 111 will be NMRHs. Only 44 will be 10-tonne & 12-tonne NMRHs & the rest will be twin-engined LUHs. Consequently, in light of such limited numbers of each type of helicopter required, it will be IMPOSSIBLE to justify local licenced-production & no private-sector company under the strategic partnership model will accept such ludicrous & un-commercial business proposals. The only option therefore is to licence-assemble thed helicopters that arrive from the OEm in knocked-down condition, with the private-sector company in turn signing an indirect offsets contract with the selected foreign OEM as was the case with the AH-64E. CH-47F & Rafale procurement contracts. Furthermore, the IN’s Ka-28PLs are already being upgraded & in future the Sea King Mk.42Bs & Mk.42Cs too will be upgraded.

To PIERRE ZORIN: 1) None of those countries want second-hand T-90S whose half-lives have already been attained. Such countries have already acquired brand-new T-90S MBTs. And how will Syria’s crude oil supplies reach Iranian territory? Neither is Kazakhstan allowed by Russia to re-export Russia-origin military hardware & even if Kazakhstan supplies such hardware & India pays back Kazakhstan, then how will Kazakhstan ensure that it is allowed to pay Russia for imported military hardware without incurring US sanctions? Or even if India pays Kazakhstan, then how will Kazakhstan relay that amount to Russia?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BHOUTIK: From DAC approval till contract signature, the time taken is 54 months at best. Also, not all 111 will be NMRHs. Only 44 will be 10-tonne & 12-tonne NMRHs & the rest will be twin-engined LUHs. Consequently, in light of such limited numbers of each type of helicopter required, it will be IMPOSSIBLE to justify local licenced-production & no private-sector company under the strategic partnership model will accept such ludicrous & un-commercial business proposals. The only option therefore is to licence-assemble thed helicopters that arrive from the OEm in knocked-down condition, with the private-sector company in turn signing an indirect offsets contract with the selected foreign OEM as was the case with the AH-64E. CH-47F & Rafale procurement contracts. Furthermore, the IN’s Ka-28PLs are already being upgraded & in future the Sea King Mk.42Bs & Mk.42Cs too will be upgraded.

The bilateral exercises between the UK & Oman have been going on for decades & this is nothing out-of-the-ordinary. It is thus a signal to Iran to refrain from doing anything foolish along the Straits of Hormuz.

More delusional bullshitting by the PAPPU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ_mD8R3H94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsd6HjmVY5U

Afghanistan 17 Years On: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy972tWGng4

Pakistan’s New Foreign Policy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0Sd1FIMQI

Su-57 Walkaround: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krSf7uHZYB8

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ENIGMA: LoLz! Within 24 hours of my explanation of the delusional mindsets of those residing in Lutyens’ Delhi, it was all in glaring display yesterday here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPjEnrI6xjY&t=2s

The only panelist who was making sense was Dr Ajai Sahni. Everyone else was going off in wild tangents beyond the yonder! And thoroughly exposed yet again was MSA, who was selective in his recollections & was economical with the truth. All that they had to do was recollect what Dr Hussain Haqqani had revealed earlier this year at the Hudson Institute about his conversation with the PA’s COAS Gen Kayani in mid-2008 about Musharraf’s much-touted 4-Point Formula. When Dr Haqqani had then asked when & how to implement the Formula, Gen Kayani retorted by saying: “What 4-Point Formula? All those were illegal decisions made by Musharraf.” And since NO ONE in India seems to understand this & what was so illegal about it, kindly let me explain:

Under any of Pakistan’s Constitutions, one person cannot be Army COAS & President at the same time. And that’s because it is the President that is required to give his written accent to either the appointment of the PA’s COAS or an extention to that post. So since Musharraf was both President & COAS, he was never able to approve his own appointment as COAS beyond the 3-year tenure that was approved by President Rafique Ahmed Tarrar in 1998. And in October 1999 that same President had in writing sacked Musharraf & had appointed Ziauddin Butt as the PA’s new COAS. So at best Musharraf could have remained as President of Pakistan by amending the Constitutional provisions, but he could never remain as COAS beyond October 1999. That’s why Ayub Khan upon becoming the President in the late 1950s became a Field Marshal & he in turn appointed Gen Mohd Musa (the only Shia to date to have become the Army Chief of Pakistan) as the COAS. And that’s why Gen Kayani had in 2008 as the PA’s COAS had explained to the then new PPP-led civilian govt that since Musharraf had remained as Army Chief from October 1999 till mid-2008 in contravension of all laws of Pakistan, consequently all decisions taken by Musharraf were also deemed to be null & void. And that’s why the so-called 4-Point Formula too was rejected by all Pakistani political parties as being illegal & null-n-void. Now, it is only the DELUSIONAL MORONS of India (like MSA, A S Dulat etc etc) who are unaware of all such finer legal details of Pakistan who continue to weave around themselves a world of make-belief & spread such falsehoods worldwide through various TV channels. In fact, since 2011 a former PA Colonel who is also a lawyer has been arguing a case at Islamabad Sessions Court about declaring Musharraf a violator of not only Pakistan’s Constitution, but also of the PA’s own internal Rule Book.

The only way the noose will tighten around Pakistan’s neck is through the economic strangulation of China, which is nbow well underway. Once China is demonstrated as being a toothless tiger, that will be the time the sledgehammer will come crashing over Pakistan, just like it has been the case against Iran & Turkey.

rad said...


hi prasun
what is this sraam that will b e imported to protect ships??

all thought that the astra version will be on board ?. will it be not cheaper to have the same barak 8 in a smaller silo with a smaller aesa rotating radar ?

the only cheap and effective missile seems to be the c-ram from israel as they claim it can be integrated with any radar etc?

we were given to understand that the naval utility copter will be th e LUH? is 2 engines a prerequisite for naval operation?. given that , the cheetah and the chetak were doing a good job on board ships. Is this an indirect way to bring in the ka-226? w which is doubtful due to sanctions. again why is the agreement being signed in spite of knowing franc e will not supply engines to russia? is there any issue with the luh and when is the FOC planned .

which is better, the sea hawk B or R? do they come with L3 extra vlf freq sonar?
all this will definitely have an impact on the warship hardware as american systems have to come on board to receive signals form the helis etc and i n that case will have to sign the agreement ? I believe than the warships , helis and p-8 anti sub ac will be all data linked?

Sujit said...

Thnkuu very much prasun sir, you have cleared all of my queries for now..eagerly waiting for your next article..just one question though..how u hv so much information and knowledge of defence matters?? I know its a silly question but i really wanted to know cauz being a defence aspirant myself i envy u..it wud help me a lot in ma ssb interview..

AMIT BISWAS said...

Submarine-hunting copters for Navy and new guns for Army | Tribune India - https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/submarine-hunting-copters-for-navy-and-new-guns-for-army/642689.html


As per this report NMRH is G-2-G deal with LM as contractor whereas NUH is SP model procurement....exactly what u said....

But don't u think better option would be HAL/ pvt sector ties up with any western manufacturer for a medium lift MRH for a base line version and modifying the same as per IAF/ARMY/NAVY needs....then across the service same platform will ensure savings on spare, consummables, logistics and training....or I am missing sonething

Unknown said...

Thanks Prasunda for answering my query

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2018/07/yemens-houthis-highlight-new-underground-missile-launchers.php

https://almasirah.net/gallery/preview.php?file_id=17847

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sanctions-iran-for-supplying-missiles-to-yemens-houthis-1527006421

Prasun Da, above are the links of the new under ground launcher introduced by the Houthis for launching Badar - 1 Ballistic Missile towards Saudi Targets. It's quite clear that its the result of active Iranian involvement. Now, question is that whether Iran really deploys such types of launcher, and if affirmative, what are its vulnerability.

Thanks in advance.

gaurang said...

Dear sir, although apart from the current discussion What r ur views regarding security clearance withdrawal of al Jazeera news channel in India with regards to its airing of documentary on kashmir upsetting central govt.

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

1. Glad that you said - The only way the noose will tighten around Pakistan’s neck is through the economic strangulation of China, which is nbow well underway. Once China is demonstrated as being a toothless tiger, that will be the time the sledgehammer will come crashing over Pakistan, just like it has been the case against Iran & Turkey.

do you remember last year i had said stifling Pak wont majke difference unless China is tackled, and it will happen soon since i read somewhere that HH Dalai Lama was prophesied that he will die in free Tibet, then you had vaguely answered that is not going to happen anytime soon.

2. when i said this MQ-25 Stingray can solve a lot of Iaf/in problems with regards tlo aerial refueling, your thoughts you said when this miracle will happen

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-the-mq-25-could-save-the-aircraft-carrier-becoming-the-25169

may be this will tell you when

3. this news about new hydraulics wil;l definately boost performance of MiG29K your opinion

https://www.janes.com/article/82542/indian-aircraft-carrier-ins-vikramaditya-to-get-new-marine-hydraulic-systems

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/ins-vikramaditya-to-be-have-marine-hydraulic-systems/articleshow/65505411.cms

an you do a thread on the above

4. DAC has cleared ATAGS purchase so will both models (2 models by 2 makers) will be acquired in equal nos or only 1 model

hope to get answers

Joydeep Ghosh

Arpit Kanodia said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_qr-4AKM18

Now Chinese started to stole IA's ads ideas. Lol.

Srinivasa Nanduri Ramanujam said...

Hi Prasun,

In an interview pak's new human rights minister Shereen majari said a draft proposal for kashmir resolution is being prepared in Pakistan and will be made public in a week. Said categorically that it's not based on 4 point formula. What's planned in that disgusting country now?

Also, is it true that project finalization for super sukhois is to be done by December and the request will be for more than 50 aircrafts. And Regarding nluh, AS365 Dauphin helis assembly proposal was made by HAL, will they get contract for this. For mmrca2, does f18 has better chance then f16 or additional Rafales.

How true is it.

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD & AMIT BISWAS: The imported SR-SAMs will be new-build Barak-1s to replace those bought 20 years ago, although I would prefer to procure a shorter-range version of Barak-8. After all, if there is a Barak-8 LR-SAM & Barak-8 MR-SAM, then why not an SR-SAM variant as well? The Astra’s VL-version is still under development & so it won’t be on-time. As for twin-engined LUHs, my personal choice would be a stretched 7.5-tonne version of the ALH that can well be developed in-house by HAL. No foreign OEM will help co-develop it because none of them want a new OEM emerging from India to give them competition. But you are already seeing some ‘desi’ patrakaars who have been taken to foreign junkets by the likes of Airbus Military, they’re now obliquely showing images of the AS.555 Panther! There’s also the issue of ASMs for the NMRH & LUHs, for which Kongsberg of Norway (the HSM) & MBDA (Marte Mk.2-ER) are the frontrunners. As for the 10-tonne helicopters, the designation MH-60 is US-specific, i.e. it applkies to only those machines that are acquired by the USN or USCGS. The export designation is always either the S-60B or S-70B. Ka-226T either for the IA or IAF or IN is history, it will NEVER happen. The LUH reqmt is to be broken into 2 parts: single-engined & twin-enbgined. In my view, both of these can be supplied by HAL.

To SUJIT: How? Lots of reading, lots of research & lots of meetings with the right people at the right place at the right time. There are no short-cuts.

To SUMANTA NAG: Looks like Pakistan is feeling the pinch of India’s worldwide covert operations concerning Gilgit-Baltistan. Watch this from 0.23.42:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haa5Kdk8PP8

And this was the protest outside the Pak High Commission in London:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNPUMPGC8Ms

Now Pakistan is worried about even HRH the Aga Khan seceding from Pakistan with his fellow Ismaili Shia Muslims! These emerging developments now ought to be exploited to the hilt in lieu of the forthcoming annual UNGA session next month, since Pakistan is already planning to do something spectacularly ludicrous this time, if this is to be believed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H88G7KN2R50

And finally, an excellent analysis of the snub delivered by the US State Dept to Pakistan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFVY07PEfTs

Plus, how Pakistani migrants in Greece are de-humanised:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3Mjz8ZXIDo

AMIT BISWAS said...

Is there any submarine IFF deployed by navies around the world....I mean how do SONAR operators on board helicopters/MPA/SUBMARINES/SHIPS distinguish between hostile and friendly submarines

Manu Singh said...

Prasun, two questions.

1. How much is the difference between Su-30 MKI and Su-57 fighters? I keep hearing from HAL people that only the shaping is stealthlike but inside it's all the same. Even a while ago, Russians were offering similar upgrades i dont know to what extent. If that's true, is it possible to upgrade Su30s into a stealthlike one with i30 engines, better radars and improved shaping ??

2. If AS 555 panther or similar other helos can be considered for NLUH tender, then what is stopping Indian Navy from acquiring Dhruv/Rudra for this purpose? The blade folding issue has already been resolved, and it has immense upgrade possibility. Most important, it can also be produced in PPP or SP model of production so even the logistics will be far more simpler than having six types of helos and crazy united states of spare parts.

What is your reading on these ?

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,
Yesterday Subramanium Swamy, after meeting Mr. Nasheed in Sri Lanka, issues a threat that India should invade Maldives if they do not allow free and fair elections in Maldives by not imposing ban on Nasheed to stand in elections and freeing the supreme court judges and others.

Although Indian government distanced itself from this comment saying its his personal opinion, 4 hours later comes the news that the 2 Indian helicopters and the crew can remain. These 2 helos and the 4 dozen support team were asked to leave last April by Maldives President.

Do you think these 2 issues are related or are they coincidental. Do you think Maldive government is feeling the heat and as a result are showing signs of buckling...?

Kane

rad said...

hi prasun
why are we capping the range of the nirbhay to 1200 km ? is it due to tech challenges or something else. It would be nice to have a 2500 km missile that would project power like the yanks and russia?

wouldnt it be a repeat of reach, due to the 800 km range of the brahmos?

would it be nuke or conventional ? it would make sense to make a lot of them to bring down the cost and overwhelm the enemy , i believe china will d o that in the opening of a conflict to degrade our offensive and defensive capability?

russia should be licking its jowls in anticipation of a the super su-30 upgrade. what i dont understand is we have no means to ascertain the rate quoted fro the engines and the radars ets as we cant a have a bidding process , so how do we control that .i have a feeling they will squeeze us in lieu of the PAKFA>? will the upgrade mean it becomes a multi role ac? ie air , land and sea?

is our locally developed MAWS for the super su-30 equal to to the saab maws? is it totally desi or some help from outside especially the sensors ? is the saab
maaws a dual color system?. does pak f-16 have maaws? is it optical or radar?

will the sup







Sujit said...

Very much truly said sir "No short cuts".. thnkuu prasun sir for answering my every queries..waiting eagerly for ur next article..m actually special force kinda guy.so i wud be grateful if u cud write on the 22 sg of R&AW any day..ur every article is worth reading 100.thnku sir.

ashish gautam said...

Questions k answers pdh k bada Sukoon ka Anubhav ho rha hai.... Ati anandmay...
You told Sujit regarding your work of doing immense amount of research and reading stuff.
I have only question how u meet right people at right time at right place??
I mean how u get access to meet such individuals....
Kha se milte hai ye log????
Thnks & regards.
Ashish G :D

Rajesh Mishra said...

If India is not taking up the POK in immediate future, then they should asap go and act in Maldive in favor of reestablishing the democracy.

AMIT BISWAS said...

DRDO DHRUTI RWR AND DCMAWS have been tested on board any existing su 30 testbed airframe ???

Whether the arrangement of MAWS/RWR will cover 360 degrees in all planes ???

what's the FOV of these sensors???? I guess these products are not drdo IPR but Israeli items as per this report

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cag.gov.in/sites/default/files/audit_report_files/Union_Compliance_Defence_Air_Force_Report_38_2015_chap_3.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi-tLLN8I3dAhVKVH0KHWXWAckQFjABegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw16PwuJuEcMcxFJY197RGXp

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AMIT BISWAS: Yes, there is, but is totally passive since it is a database of acoustic signatures collected & can therefore easily recognize different acoustic signatures of different types of propellers of different kinds of warships & submarines. And here’s another technological novelty:

https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/21/mit-wireless-water-air-communication/?yptr=yahoo

The Dhruti RWR is already flying on the EMB-145I ‘Netra’ AEW & CS platforms. The MAWS from Avitronics/SaabTech has been flying on the RMAF’s Su-30MKMs since the previous decade. Of course all early-warning sensors are installed in such a way in a distributed manner that 360-degree coverage is available. Each sensor of each type covers 1 of 4 quadrants of the hemisphere. IPR for laser warner & MAWS is not owned by Israel, but by SaabTech. Dhruti RWR’s IPR is owned by DRDO.

To MANU SINGH: 1) The similarity is in terms of airframe construction technologies employed for both aircraft, i.e. old-style riveting instead of machined sub-structures & that’s what causes the Su-57 to lose out on low-observability. While the F/A-22 used metallic machined parts & honbeycomb structures, the F-35 uses greater quyantum of machined honeycomb & composites-based sub-structures of the type now being attempted for the LCA-AF Mk.2. 2) Compared to the AS.555 Pamther, the ALH has inferior endurance. That’s why in my view, HAL in the previous decade itself should have undertaken the development of a stretched fuselkage 7.5-tonne version of the ALH that would also have adopted a new-design rotor-head with folding main rotor-blades & a folding tail-rotor section. It could easily have partnered with AgustaWestland Helicopters for technological assistance & in return AgustaWestland could have benefitted from contracts for upgrading the IN’s 17 Sea King Mk.42Bs, six Sea King Mk.42Cs & six UH-6H shipborne 12-tonne NMRHs.And compared to the 5.5-tonne ALH, the 7.5-tonne version of the ALH would also have been ordered by the ICGS as well as by ONBGC & several other private-sector operators interested in using such helicopters for emergency medical services provision.

To KANE: Maldives is already feeling the heat from a reduction of perishable commodity supplies from India, & it is therefore inevitable that Male will eventually have to make peace with India. Similarly, Sri Lanka is being kept on a very tight leash by both the US & UK and therefore Colombo cannot take over the role of supplying perishable commodities to Male. Hence, no India-based whackos & psychos like the one you’ve mentioned are reqd to do anything.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: Who said the Nirbhay’s range has been capped? Range can always be increased by increasing the length of the cruise missile. Nirbhay will carry both nuclear warheads & conventional HE/blast-fragmentation warheads. Russia’s marketing tactics are the most predictable in the world: all that they always do is quote 20% cheaper than what Western OEMs do. Who said the MAWS sensor is locally developed? Only the integrated EW architecture is locally developed. The MAWS sensor is the MILDS, which was originally developed by South Africa’s AVITRONICS (which is already installed on the RMAF Su-30MKMs) & then AVITRONICS was bought over by Saab Tech of Sweden & later there was a JV between SaabTech & Cassidian of Germany. So the RWRs, MAWS & laser warners from SaabTech on the Rudra, LCH & LUH are all from SaabTech, while the Dhruti is indigenously developed by DARE. If you see the Boeing-released images of the IAF’s AH-64E Apache attack helicopters, you will easily see the SaabTech-supplied MAWS sensor in the airframe.

To SUJIT: It is called the Special Frontier Force & it has a Special Operations Group for special military operations inside hostile territory & it is HQed in Chakrata & is led by an IA Brigadier. It was set up in 1963 with US funbding & assistance & it was then manned by fleeing able-bodied Tibetan refugees but nowadays only Ladakhis & other Indians make up the force.

To ASHISH GAUTAM: How? It again is a matter of gaining experience when working on the field & attending lots of aerospace/military exhibitions & seminars. I started doiung this rather early in my life, so I guess the Gods of Yore have so far been kind to me. And do read this about military turbofans:

http://forceindia.net/feature-report/way-behind/

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/justice-finally-done-says-human-shield-dar-on-major-leetul-gogoi-s-indictment/story-LrNdknNstwET3YYCnR6nhJ.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x107R7RQ2hs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQObgWLQsLw

Justice has finally been done, with the Gods of Yore eventually interceding with their 'Leela'. All's well that ends well.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Revelation on the recent bizzare behaviourisms of Pak PM Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi's wife's family: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2nndsT-LLE

Nayaa Pakistan's 'Zaroorat se Ziadaa Thekedaari' syndrome (trying to be more Muslim than others) in full play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2nndsT-LLE

Looking forward to Pakistan emerging as the world's laughing stock at next month's UNGA's annual meeting.

Anupam Samanta said...

Prasun da thanks for this article.i would like to request you to write an article on the midlife upgradation package of delhi class destroyer along with new weapons and sensors and also about details of next NGMV OF INDIAN NAVY and the S-400 deal icluding number of raders,launchers,missiles and types of missiles.Thank you.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To GAURANG: In my view, such measures are counter-productive & instead a counter-narrative needs to be put forward by the GoI. For i8nstance, if Al Jazeera claims that violence has broken out in ‘several’ towns of J & K, then the factoids need to be put forth by the GoI, i.e. violence is limited to only 3 towns in the Kashmir Valley.

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: 1) That bis already well unbderway. Do read this:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/china-in-struggle-to-curb-reliance-on-us-market-suppliers/article24789607.ece?homepage=true

2) Yes, that applies to the US, & not to India. 3) It is just a routine upgrade. 4) Only 12, most probably from Kalyani Group.