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Friday, March 1, 2019

Airpower Application In Sub-Conventional Warfare: Decoding The IAF's February 26 Non-Military Pre-Emptive Air-Strike & February 27 Air Combat Over J & K/PoK

Conclusive Evidence of Successful IAF Air-Strike on JeM-Owned Madrassa Taleem al-Quran at Jabba Top, Balakot, in KPK, Pakistan

A little known fact that now needs to be highlighted is that back in the last quarter of 2016, after the Indian Army had conducted what was then officially as a low-intensity, cross-LoC counter-terror operation on the night of September 28/29, India was roundly castigated behind closed doors by all her wellwishers, especially the US, UK, France and Russia. And this was not for conducting the cross-LoC raids, but for not doing it on a far greater scale. In other words, India was berated for continuing to punch way below her weight, while her adversary was engaged in doing just the opposite since the early 1990s. To be fair, it was then unrealistic to expect a revolutionary thought-paradigm from a bureaucratic and political establishment that had inherited the dogma and scepticism prevailing over the past 26 years. As a result, India had clung to an attrition-heavy strategy, fatalistically accepting casualties. Matters were in their worst state between 2007 and September 2016 when India had argued that she was not ready to test the escalation ladder, this being highly reflective of the characteristics of a diffident power. However, the shocking messages and words of advice that India received post-September 29, 2016 at last provided the long-overdue shock-therapy that forced India’s bureaucratic and political establishment to draft new red-lines in the war against terrorism and this was to be the genesis for the planning and eventual conduct of the February 26 airstrikes by the Indian Air Force (IAF) against a principal Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) terror training facility inside Pakistan.
While conceiving and planning such a coordinated airstrike is second-nature to the IAF, acquisition of the necessary implementation tools, especially the high-accuracy locational coordinates of the targetted facility as well as high-accuracy navigational waypoints inside hostile airspace in areas where no sympathetic local human resources were bound to be available, was the principal challenge. And this is where the strategic partnership between Afghanistan and India was to play a decisive role, in particular the human resource assets of Afghanistan’s Riyasat-e Amniyat-e Milli, or the National Directorate of Security (NDS) embedded within Pakistan’s Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK) province, within which the targetted JeM facility was located. After acquiring the mandatory high-accuracy locational coordinates, it was the turn of the Safran Electronics & Defense-supplied Mission Analysis and Restitution System (MARS) of the IAF to be put to use. In essence, this tool creates flight and attack plans; analyzes missions, with video playback; provides tactical situational awareness (flight corridors, positions of threats, etc.) and geographical 2-D and 3-D environment (digital maps, terrain profiles, meteorological conditions, etc.); and finalises weapons-to-target matching parameters and operating protocols for electronic systems (electronic warfare, target acquisition/designation pods, radio, IFF, etc). All these taskings were completed by February 18, i.e. within four days of getting the political go-ahead. Another five days were consumed by various asset mobilisation efforts throughout the IAF’s Western and Central Air Commands, which involved the following:
1) Adampur AFS: 8 Wing’s 47 ‘Black Archers’ Sqn and 223 ‘Tridents’ Sqn with MiG-29B-12s and MiG-29UPGs.
2) Bhisiana AFS: 34 Wing’s 17 ‘Golden Arrows’ Sqn with Su-30MKIs and 200 ‘Netra’ Sqn with EMB-145I AEW & CS platforms.
3) Gwalior AFS: 40 Wing’s 1 ‘Tigers’ Sqn, 7 ‘Battleaxes’ Sqn and 9 ‘Wolfpack’ Sqn with Mirage 2000Hs/THs/INs.
4) Halwara AFS: 34 Wing’s 220 ‘Desert Tigers’ Sqn with Su-30MKIs.
5) Pathankot AFS: 18 Wing’s 26 ‘Warriors’ Sqn with MiG-21 Bisons and 108 ‘Hawkeyes’ Sqn with MiG-21Ms.
6) Sirsa AFS: 45 Wing’s 21 ‘Ankush’ Sqn with MiG-21 Bisons.
7) Avantipora AFS: 1 Wing’s 51 ‘Sword Arms’ Sqn with MiG-21 Bisons.
8) Agra AFS: A-50EI PHALCONs of 50 Sqn and 78 ‘Valorous Mars’ Sqn with IL-78MKI aerial refuelling tankers.
Also activated were the radar stations at Barnala in Punjab and Patni Top in Jammu, both of which host aerostat-mounted EL/M-2083 L-band active phased-array medium-power radars. Command and control for the entire air operation was to be exercised by HQ Western Air Command.
By February 22 the mobilisation was completed and mission rehearsals began the very next day, especially over the skies of Punjab, Haryana and Jammu & Kashmir. Reacting to this, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) intensified its number of combat air patrols (CAP) throughout its Northern and Central Air Commands, with the Rafiqui air base monitoring the sorties mounted by IAF combat aircraft taking off from Bhisiana, and the Kamra and Sargodha air bases monitoring the sorties mounted by IAF combat aircraft taking off from Adampur, Halwara, Srinagar and Avantipora.
Shortly after 2am on February 26, six Mirage 2000Hs (three of which were each armed with three 1,000lb HSLD bombs while the other three were each armed with two Spice-2000 PGMs) took off from their home-base in Gwalior and entered a pre-determined air-corridor that took them to Agra, where they were refuelled in mid-air by two IL-78MKIs. By 3am, another six Mirage-2000Hs that had already re-deployed from Gwalior to Adampur a day earlier, headed for eastern Himachal Pradesh where they, along with the Mirage-2000s from Agra, were all refuelled by three IL-78MKIs. This combined force then turned northwest towards northern Jammu & Kashmir. Meanwhile, as part of an elaborate deception plan, the IAF, between 3.30am and 4pm, launched two six-aircraft sorties in a staggered manner from Bhisiana towards Okara-Bahawalpur, and from Halwara towards Lahore—this being to distract the two CAPs of the PAF that were airborne that night from Rafiqui and Sargodha.
Meanwhile, the six-unit Mirage-2000 strike formation broke into two, with the three Mirage 2000s armed with HSLD bombs resorting to terrain-masking flight-profiles when commencing the 21-minute attack-run from Tangdhar and setting course for Balakot. The remaining three Mirage-2000s armed with six Spice-2000s too entered PoK airspace at 3.30am and headed for a location northwest of Muzaffarabad (north-east of Garhi Habibullah inside KPK) while adopting a terrain-masking flight-profile. About 10 minutes later, the remaining six Mirage 2000s started mounting a medium-altitude CAP over the Keran Valley inside PoK and these were detected by the PAF’s Kamra-based airspace surveillance radar, which in turn ordered a scramble of two F-16s from Chaklala air base in Rawalpindi. However, by then the three Mirage-2000s had by 3.35am already launched five Spice-2000s from an altitude of 20,000 feet so that the target was attacked by these PGMs by 3.45am from the southwest (while one did not launch due to a technical malfunction). Immediately after this, the three Mirage-2000s began their return journey, while the three HSLD bomb-armed Mirage-2000s took only four minutes to arrive over Balakot from a northeastern direction and succeeded in bombing the targetted JeM facility for a second time between 3.45am and 3.53am IST, while the PAF’s F-16s were still 120km away (their reached Balakot only four minutes later).
Out of the earmarked strike-package of six IAF Mirage 2000s, it can now be safely inferred (based on local eye-witness accounts from Jabba Village in Balakot who spoke to the BBC) that in the pre-dawn hours of February 26, the villagers first heard five loud explosions at 1- to 2-minute intervals (these being the exploding Spice-2000s), and these were followed by the overhead noise of the three HSLD bomb-armed Mirage-2000s that sequentially made a 360-degree circle around the target, following which one after another they dropped the bombs (as per local eye-witnesses) on Jabba Top (at an elevation of 4,000 feet above sea-level) at Kagan Gali along the Kunhar River inside KPK. This means that the two separate air-strike packages were totally successful, with the five Spice-2000s achieving pinpoint accuracy and causing damage through its high-fragmentation warheads, with the HSLD bombs finishing off the job by demolishing whatever was left standing through their blast-fragmentation explosive materials.
RAFAEL Advanced Defence Systems’ Smart, Precise Impact and Cost-Effective (SPICE), is a guidance and manoeuvring kit, with the former comprising a miniature fibre-optic gyro, an optional GPS receiver, and an IIR seeker for terminal-stage pinpoint accuracy, and control-fins. Weighing about 907kg, the Spice-2000 can glide out to a range of 60km while not being affected by heavy cloud-cover and other weather conditions, unlike laser-guided bombs. A man-in-the-loop guidance mechanism ensures that the Spice-2000’s IIR seeker relays the forward field-of-view imagery to the launch-aircraft in real-time via a PEGASUS data-link pod attached to an underbelly pylon of the launch-aircraft. Such an operating mode, however, is used when the PGM is required to hit its target in a shallow dive.
In case of the February 26 air-strike, the Spice-2000 was employed in a shallow-dive but top-attack flight-profile (with the target recognition algorithm being programmed to lock-on to a hilltop-sited target that stands out from among other man-made structures at lower altitudes), thereby doing away with the need for real-time man-in-the-loop guidance cues. It was in 2013 that the IAF had ordered the Spice-2000s, with final deliveries concluding by December 2015. Its first operational usage in a “non-military pre-emptive action” thus indicated the IAF’s air-strike was not an act of revenge or retribution, but was of a sub-conventional nature and an act of self-defence to prevent a likely terror attack in the future.
Each of the three Mirage 2000s that were armed with three OFB-built 1,000lb high-speed low-drag bombs (thereby accounting for a total of nine HSLD bombs being dropped) wre also equipped with Litening-2 target acquisition/laser designation pods whose IR imagery of the terrain below was displayed on the Mirage-2000's HUDs when operating in the raster-display mode.
Imagery (below) emanating from the targetted area from Pakistani sources indicates that the shallow craters and blown-up trees were not due to the exploding HSLD bombs (since the trees would have been burnt-up had the bombs exploded nearby), but were from IED explosions, most probably triggered by the trainee JeM cadres or their instructors for training purposes in the recent past.
In the IAF’s MRCA inventory, the most versatile platforms are the Dassault Aviation-built Mirage 2000s as they have highest number of weapons-to-target-matching combinations, a feat that will be equaled in future by the Dassault Aviation-built Rafale M-MRCAs.
The aerial confrontation on the morning of February 27 involved eight F-16s, four Mirage-IIIEAs and four JF-17s of the PAF, and three MiG-21 Bisons, two upgraded Mirage 2000INs and four Su-30MKIs. But there was only one aerial engagement, this being between two PAF F-16s and two IAF MiG-21 Bisons.
The main PAF strike force comprised four F-16A/Bs each armed with two DENEL-supplied Raptor TV-guided gliding PGMs, while the remaining four F-16A/Bs and four JF-17s were tasked with the protection of the strike package while remaining in a rear area over PoK. The composition of the strike package is indicative of the fact that neither the JF-17 nor the Mirage-IIIEAs are as yet able to launch standoff PGMs.
The following targets were selected by the PAF for the air-strikes: Bhimber Gali (elevation of 5,479 feet), Krishna Ghati (Nangi Tekri) at a height of 4,665 feet, Potha at an elevation of 4,073 feet, and an ammunition point in Narian (belonging to the 25 Infantry Division of the Indian Army) at an elevation of 2,000 feet.
On February 27 at 9:58am the four F-16s ingressed into Indian airspace to a depth of 7km through the Bhimber Gali, Naushara/Sunderbani and Rajouri/Lam/Kalal sectors in Jammu. However, all the ordnance dropped by these MRCAs exploded in uninhabited areas. Within two minutes, however, the PAF strike package was confronted by two MiG-21 Bisons, two upgraded Mirage 2000INs and four Su-30MKIs.
The four PAF F-16s were resorting to terrain-masking by flying parallel to the western portion of the Pir Panjal Range and the Trikuta Range.
However, the moment they gained altitude for crossing into the areas east of these Ranges and approached their designated targets in Jammu at altitudes varying from 300 feet to 500 feet, they were detected by the IAF’s medium-power radars and accompanying radar finger-printing systems by 10.25am, which in turn vectored three airborne MiG-21 Bisons (all armed with R-73E SRAAMs) towards their respective intercept courses.
The Su-30MKIs were kept on standby to engage those PAF F-16s that were still orbiting over PoK airspace further to the west. It must be noted here that for close combat over mountainous terrain, the defender always has the upper hand if heat-seeking SRAAMs are used against the fleeing low-flying hostile targets, since active Ku-band terminal seekers of BVRAAMs always suffer from ground-clutter phenomena over such terrain and are therefore next-to-useless in such situations.
While cruising at 15,000 feet altitude, the MiG-21 Bison flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman engaged the PAF F-16 that had approached the Indian Army’s ammunition depot at Narian and was exiting that location at an altitude of 9,000 feet. While the MiG-21 Bison made a shallow dive to get within R-73E firing range of the F-16, the latter’s pilot was alerted about the impending attack and so he took an evasive measure by going into a steep climb to about 26,000 feet. By this time Wg Cdr Abhinandan had skillfully manoeuvred his MiG-21 Bison behind the fleeing F-16 and had positioned himself at a 60-degree angle of elevation below the F-16 for maximum impact. He then fired an R-73Em which effortlessly struck the rear fuselage of the F-16.
However, even as R-73E was closing on to its target, the wingman of the F-16 moved in from behind and fired an AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM from a distance of less than 12km, hitting the centre-fuselage of the MiG-21 Bison. A second AIM-120C-5 that was probably fired against  Wg Cdr Abhinandan’s wingman failed to hit its target and consequently it slammed into Mamankote Mallas village, Reasi, and caused an explosion that spread splinters and missile parts within a radius of 100 metres. The entire aerial engagement ended at around 10:45am.
While one MiG-21 Bison piloted by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman successfully engaged and shot down a tandem-seat F-16 (B or D variant) with one R-73E IIR-guided missile within a 90-second period, this very MiG-21 Bison was shot down by one AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM missile fired by another F-16. Another AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM was unsuccessfully fired toward the second MiG-21 Bison, and this missile eventually harmlessly landed inside Indian territory.
The downed PAF F-16 was shot down over the Jhangar area of Jammu & Kashmir, but its wreckage fell in Khuiratta inside PoK, opposite the Lam Valley. The MiG-21 Bison, on the other hand, went down near Horra’n village, located 7km west of the LoC in PoK’s  Bhimber district. The entire aerial engagement ended at around 10:45am.
There are only two plausible reasons why the PAF preferred to use BVRAAMs instead of SRAAMs for this aerial engagement: 1) The PAF was unsure whether or not the IAF’s Su-30MKIs equipped with IRST sensors would join the battle (if they were to, then they would have easily had the upper hand since they can cruise at higher altitudes from where the R-73E SRAAM/Sura-1 HMDS combination can be used with devastating effect); 2) The PAF, devoid of all-aspect SRAAMs that can be guided wide off-boresight by the Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS), was extremely vary of initiating within-visual-range engagements due to the guaranteed and combat-proven lethality and superior engagement envelope of the R-73E SRAAM/Sura-1 HMDS combination found in the MiG-21 Bison and Su-30MKI.
The only plausible reason why all other IAF MRCAs airborne in that area were directed NOT TO engage those AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM-armed PAF F-16s orbiting over PoK was because the latter was maintaining a 10km distance from the LoC (as per the 1989 bilateral agreement on confidence-building measures between India and Pakistan). In retrospect, this appears to be a wrong interpretation of the 1989 bilateral agreement, which in turn led to a flawed rules of engagement put in motion by the IAF.
When it comes to self-protection, the IAF adheres to the practice of one of every two airborne MRCAs (the lead aircraft and the wingman) being equipped with the EL/L-8222 jamming pod. Consequently, the aircraft not equipped with this pod must always be within the effective jamming envelope of the second aircraft carrying this pod. Hence, while the Su-30MKIs equipped with EL/L-8222 maintained formation and were thus protected from inbound AIM-120C-5 AMRAAMs (which have 70km max range), the two-unit MiG-21 Bison flight somehow broke-up, which in turn led to the MiG-21 Bison flown by Wg Cdr Abhinandan being left defenceless against any type of inbound BVRAAM.
Another plausible reason that explains the IAF’s reticence to engage the PAF’s large-sized strike package is the lack of tactical data-links (TDL) on-board the IAF’s fleet of combat aircraft and on the fleet of AEW & CS platforms, which prevents the latter from providing real-time airborne battle management cues to airborne IAF combat aircraft while operating inside contested/hostile airspace. TDLs come in two types: the L-band TDL for two-way line-of-sight communications; and a UHF-band SATCOM TDL, for which the IAF’s combat aircraft need to be equipped with SATCOM receivers.
Meanwhile, efforts have commenced on procuring 473 + 3,125 software-defined radios for achieving real-time connectivity between all IAF aircraft/helicopters and the Integrated Aerospace Command, Control & Communications System (IACCCS), especially via the GSAT-7A’s SATCOM transponders.
UAS Interceptions
At around 6am on February 26 near Nanghatad village in Abdasa taluka of Kutch district in Gujarat on, a Pakistan Navy-operated ScanEagle UAS was detected and shot down by an IAF-operated SpyDer-SR SHORADS as the UAS, suspected to have been launched from an area near Sir Creek, was approaching from the sea the IAF’s Naliya AFS, which is home to 12 FBSU’s 45 ‘Flying Daggers’ Sqn operating MiG-21 Bisons and 101 ‘Falcons’ Sqn flying MiG-21Ms. The Pakistan Navy had inducted into service the ScanEagles—built by Insitu, a Boeing subsidiary—on August 31, 2016.
The second UAS interception took place on March 4, 2019 at around 11am when a PAF-operated Falco UAS, which had taken off from Bahawalpur Airport, entered Indian airspace near the BSF’s Soorma and K K Tibba outposts at Anupgarh in Rajasthan’s Sri Ganganagar district.
There are two IAF air bases in this area, these being the Nal/Bikaner AFS housing 46 Wing’s 3 ‘Cobras’ Sqn with MiG-21 Bisons; and Jodhpur AFS housing 32 Wing’s 10 ‘Winged Daggers’ Sqn, 29 ‘Scorpions’ Sqn and 37 ‘Panthers’ Sqn with MiG-27UPG, 32 ‘Thunderbirds’ Sqn with MiG-21 Bisons and 31 ‘Lions’ Sqn with Su-30MKIs. The intruding Falco was shot down by a Su-30MKI with 30mm cannon-fire and debris of this UAS fell just inside Pakistan. The Falco UAS can fly at an altitude of 18,000 feet for 14 hours at a speed of 105nm per hour.
The only plausible reason why these UAS platforms were sent from Pakistan was to ascertain whether the IAF had conducted any preparations for undertaking a missile-strike (with ground-launched BrahMos-1 Block-3 missiles) against probable targets like the JeM’s headquarters at Bahawalpur, or the Karachi-based seafront villa owned by Dawood Ibrahim at D-13, Block-4, Karachi Development Authority, Scheme-5, Clifton.
(to be concluded) 

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Kaustav said...

Prasunda,

China's decision to block this straightforward matter makes it clear why the PAF jets went supersonic earlier in the day? The Pakistanis and Chinese know what they are doing. Operations continue for the Indian Armed Forces. The Government might be on vacation. The Armed Forces aren't. Godspeed and Good luck. Fortune favours the brave. Veer Bhogya Vasundhara.

The release of the GOI evidence of Airstrikes would have been the first step and subsequent escalation steps are pretty evident.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUMANTA NAG: They are just probing & sizing up the alert status of the IAF.

To ASD & GLAGINYE: Nothing new at all, if one bears in mind that the SPICE is just a navigation/guidance kit that can be attached to any existing bomb of 250kg, 500kg or 1,000kg weight categories. Hence, different types of bombs mated with SPICE kit will provide different results against different target-types. It is this point that is being overlooked & this in turn is leading to speculation & further confusion.

To ANMOL CHAUDHARY: This is what happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APGg1Q6VKk&t=357s

Getting anyone into the UNSC 1267 sanctions list does not matter any more for as long as the FATF regulations contain the same strictures & sanctions.

Pawan said...

Dear Prasun da,

1.It really heartening to know that finally some justice is being done in Kashmir. India need to assure people of Kashmir who support India that they will be protected and those who support Pakistan will be punished and it's more of psychological warfare than actual. Punishment to culprit like Yaseen Malik and Mirwaiz, resettlement of Pandits will not only help stabilize internal situation but also empower civil society that favour India.

2. As china again blocked bid to list Azhar I think its high time that Modi / incumbent Govt should abandon one china policy for good. Take Economic & military relationships with Taiwan, Japan to next level + its time to realise that we have to undo state of Pakistan as it to have hope of any stable future in South Asia and that without losing focus our economic growth.

3. There is lot of talk going around regarding R-77 Vs AIM-120C5 Vs MICA in terms of range, kill zone, effectiveness with regards to duel of Feb 27.

Please share your take on it.

Regards,

rad said...

hi prasun
is it possible to shoot down ls-6 types of glide bombs and will it be cost effective trying to take it down by the spider system/

what are the other measures ?. Pak will definitely use ls-6 the next time .Can it be confirmed that pak used the denel h-4 glide bomb or ordinary bombs .why din t thyey use them if not?

Manivannan Sermaiya said...

Dear Prasun,

USA urges OIC members to condemn Chinese actions in Xinjiang province. What's your opinion on this.


https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/us-urges-muslim-nations-to-condemn-chinas-xinjiang-abuses-3645051.html

VIKRAM GUHA said...

PrasunDa,

This article states that some Indian companies that excel in precision engineering are now getting contracts from leading foreign aerospace & defense companies.

https://www.financialexpress.com/industry/aequs-aerospace-going-full-throttle-getting-recognition-for-precision-engineering/1490631/

1 How do they get these contracts? Do they just reach out to these foreign A & D companies and state that they can get the job done

2 What type of precision engineering are they talking about that is being perfected in India ?

Thanks & Regards,
VIKRAM

rad said...

hi prasun

Is the i derby -er integrated with LCA ? how about the Asraam? what time frame .



when will the mp-Atgm come to service ? where is the IIR seeker from?

do you think medium range IIR missile is necessary given that both countries have the capabilities to JAM Radar guided missiles > ie Pak and India ??


soi said...

Hello Prasun da,
Since LCA got it's FOC, I have certain questions:
Does the LCA-MK1 in FOC have a External/Internal of the following:
1.EW Suite.
2.LWR
3.RWR
4.MAWS
If no, how can it take part in air to air combat if the comes for so, especially can it take on the JF-17 in absence of the following?
Thanks
Soikot Banerjee

capricorn said...

http://idrw.org/bel-led-team-unveils-new-airborne-weapon-prototypes/---

were these the PGMS you mentioned being developed under foreign collaboration?

Murthy said...

INDIA SAYS NO TO WTO.
INDIA SAYS YES TO MULTILATERAL BUSINESS OPPS BASED ON TEMPLATES FOR EACH CONTINENT.
INDIA NEED TO GET BACK THE BARGAINING POWER BASED ON 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE PURCHASING POWER.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: Nostradamus Prophecies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0cx_hD4PvY

To SOIKOT BANERJEE: 1) No. 2) No. 3) Yes. 4) No. 5) It won’t be able to, I’m afraid.

To RAD: Derby BVRAAM is integrated with Tejas Mk.1’s EL/M-2032 MMR. ASRAAM is only for Tejas Mk.1A & only initial technical studies have been initiatred & no contract has been inked as yet. On tejas Mk.1 the R-73E is used as SRAAM/CCM. MP-ATGM is due to enter service by 2022. IIR seeker is locally designed & built. IIR-guided BVRAAM can now be used only against MALE-UAVs & that too if IRST sensors are used for target detection/tracking. Standoff PGMs can be shot down by laser-based directed-energy weapons.

To VIKRAM GUHA: 1) No, the foreign OEMs reach out to them for fulfilling Indian industrial offsets obligations. 2) very high-end processes involving industrial robotics & manual work involved in laying/installing wirinhg harnesses. 3-D printing processes are also involved.

To PAWAN: 1) Yes it is, provided this time there’s no compromise & matters are taken to their logical conclusion through the due process of law. 2) It is high time, because China always seeks to make substantive gains by making only symbolic conbcessions. So, just like the US has initiated a trade war with China, India should follow suit & hurt Confusian China where it hurts most, i.e. its wallet. 3) Yes, I have come across some bullshit/boulderdash about the R-77 & R-73E being termed as being ‘obsolete’ & that the Astra-1 is far better than the R-77. Such spectacularly outrageous statements/claims can only be made by folks who are totally ignorant on such subjects & have no domain expertise on such matters. I will soon launch a new thread in this blog that dwells upon the lessons learnt from the Feb.26/27 air battles & what’s reqd to be done.

To CAPRICORN: No, those are all entirely private initiatives & are not reqd by India's armed forces as of now.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: There is no veto power in the FATF. As for what China is doing & why, it is all explained here with great clarity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAcxBJ1vvnY&t=63s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVqbgtNbSgE&t=6s

But leave alone China, even the Tibetan Govt-in-Exile now based in Dharamsala has to date not renounced its 1947 claims over 5 Indian territories, in case anyone does not know about it. It's all explained here:

While Nehru’s “goodwill-gesture” theory cannot be substantiated, the most striking incident that seemingly jolted Nehru in 1947 stemmed from an issue related to Tibet. Barely two months after independence, Nehru was apparently shocked to receive two telegrams from the Tibetan Government in Lhasa asking India to return the (lost) territories of Tibet. One of these, dated October 16, 1947 and forwarded through the Indian Mission in Lhasa, sought the return of territories "such as Sayul and Walong and in direction of Pemakoe, Lonag, Lapa, Mon, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling and others on this side of river Ganges and Lowo, Ladakh etc. up to boundary of Yarkhim." Nehru was stunned by these Tibetan demands but concealed them from Parliament. He seemingly rejected the Tibetan claim and instead advised Lhasa to maintain the status quo until new agreements can be reached. This most preposterous claim by the Tibetans, which was fraught with incalculable consequences for India, is mentioned in the then Intelligence Bureau Chief B.N. Mullick’s book My Years with Nehru–the Chinese Betrayal. Mullick characterised it as an “ill-advised claim” by the Tibetan authority. Interestingly, neither did Lhasa accept independent India’s call for ratifying the 1914 Simla Convention and the McMahon Line Treaty nor was it willing to send an official delegation to attend India’s Independence celebration in 1947. Perhaps, it was this Tibetan inanity that prompted Nehru to issue a clarification on December 6, 1950 that “he was not interested in challenging China’s suzerainty over it.” India was greatly relieved when the Dalai Lama’s representatives signed the 17-point agreementwith China on May 23, 1951 affirming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet. It was only after the Sino-Tibetan agreement had been signed that India went ahead with the signing of the Peace Treaty with China on April 29, 1954 – which explicitly recognized Tibet as part of China. Interestingly, after his escape to India in 1959, the Dalai Lama absolved himself from the above missteps by saying that he was only 18 years old and had no active control over his Regent then. Regrettably, the Tibetan faux pas turned into a great benefit for China.

https://idsa.in/system/files/policybrief/pb-resituating-menser-darch-boundary-pstobdan-160218.pdf

https://idsa.in/policybrief/resituating-menser-darchen-labrang-in-boundary-negotiations-china-pstobdan-160218

capricorn said...

1> what type of standoff PGMS are being developed with israeli and other foreign collaboration?
2> is india researching on supercaveation technology like russian skval rocket torpedoes??

3> what will be ultimate range of pinaka?

4> is india researching/building stealth detection technology for chinese and foreign attack?
5> update on indian-israeli standoff electromagnetic DEW weapons??

Ankit Singh said...

"In addition to the five Indian villages in Menser, China is sitting over the 38,000 square kilometre area of Aksai-Chin and the 5000 square kilometre area of Shaksgam of J&K. According to the 2013 report authored by Shyam Saran, which has not been made public, the PLA has, in recent decades, nibbled away 645 kilometres of land in Ladakh’s Raki Nallah, Pangong Tso and Skakjung area. Consequently, the Line of Actual Control (LAC) originally defined in 1959 had been pushed westward and Indian controlled territory has considerably shrunk. The Chinese ground assertion in Depsang, Trig-Height, Hot-Spring, Chushul, Spanguur, Demchok and Chumur remains unabated."
Are we losing our territories to chinese incursions?
Is the Doklam status-quo now altered?

Ankit Singh said...

What is the way forward?
Is the GoI or IA aware of this and what are they doing?

Nanana said...

Prasun,

Apparently Pak AD was very active in Feb 27. Do you know what assets they may have deployed - especially as their intent was to lure us into a trap

Manivannan Sermaiya said...

Dear Prasun,

We can allow CPEC to go through India (I think that is the only way for CPEC to survive). But instead we can demand Chinese support for India's UNSC Permanent membership & NSG membership. Do you think they will agree on this.

rad said...


hi prasun
How did we integrate the r-73e with targo MMS? ie with the russian help or without>

does it make sense to plod along with the r-73 for older LCA rather than go for the later generation asraam now itself ? given its next gen features.

how do we deal with the aesa jf-17 ? we could have a real problem on hand with a aesa and HMS slaved jf-17?

some "airforce official" according to some one said that they were very happy with the astra as it was better than the r-77 ??? obviously misplaced perception. BUt what will the real truth be ,as it is a later missile with better hardware and desi seeker . How do you rate the the desi seeker with the agat supplied stuff?

voiceoftheneglected said...

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/balakot-strike-cant-be-called-a-success/20190315.htm

1. What do you make out of this article ?
2. How effective was Balakot strike as a tactical deterrence ? Was it emotionally driven and well calculated one ?
3. Are there any other tactical opportunities (military wise) for India - low cost and high effective deterrence against Pak ?
4.1 If yes , how Pak is so confident to continue use the terrorism for foreign policy ?
4.2 If no , what are the steps to build some ?
5. What was the objective of pak on orchestrating pulwama attack ?
6. Internal intelligence focus
6.1 What measures are there to detect and neutralize VBIED ?
6.2 Considering this tactics will still increase , is there any device to proactively detect ? like sending SMS covertly to authorities if chasis /engine is removed to install the IED ?
6.3 Is it worthwhile to study afghan attack tactics ? Wealth of information must have been there , Will US share ?
7. What does Taliban stance on India ? i dont expect to be pro , but will they be neutral ? i feel India must not open another front in afghanistan .... pak will happily use TnW and given it is different country , we cannot even retaliate








Anonymous said...

The more I have seen and heard ex-pilots talk about air warfare the more I feel we need Tejas or its like. We need a cheap interceptor, that can dog-fight and take-off from FOB's.

RAT

Anonymous said...

Sir,thank. You for answering all our questions.
Sir,are we going to buy more rafale’s?

Murthy said...

Does India able to convince US that, it is china who fed this monster called pakistan and US is complicit in this process what ever may be the reasons and now US must work hard along with International Partners to decimate this monster for the overall security of not only India and Afghan but to the whole world?
Can India convince US that, it is better for US to decimate pakistan or creating new 4 countries out of it for it's own (USA) benefit to contain china and CPEC as it threatens USA monopoly over vast oceans?
Do you have any straight answers whether WTO harmed India's bargaining power WRT china? as under WTO rules, India has the same level of stamina as that of Nepal?

Anonymous said...

1)Sir how what would be a typical size of heli borne force? A briagde?
In GaganShakti they paradropped a battalion of 560 men, while 3 years ago they deployed a para brigade of 1900 men plus few 105mm, so what would be the typical requirement of medium other sized helos for airlifting such a force?

2)Are heliborne forces more prone to air defense weapons of enemy than air assault/ parachute brigades etc and how is their safe landing ensured?

3)Sir, do we still circulate multiple copies of procurement related files among military and babu departments, any updates to procurement procedures?

4)How what will be taskings of cyber and space divisions be divided among the 3 branches, and will we focus on offensive cyber attacks too?

5)Will our new propaganda warfare cell be same as ISPR etc and come out with mix of deception and facts for offensive or just plain old "clearing air on enemy narrative/propoganda"?

6) Will we retain all 6 jaguars squadrons, even re-engining looks unreachable. What are spares availability conditions for jaguars and mirages ie are they still in production?

Thanks

VSJ

Anmol Chaudhary said...

Hey Prasun thanks for your service. Quick question. How do enemy submarines react on making contact in peace time ?

For e.g. and Indian and Pakistani or Chinese Sub... They detect each other, times are peaceful, who happens next? Can they say Hi over radio (guessing not). How do they decide in the minute if this is an active threat ?

Regards
Anmol

Manivannan Sermaiya said...

Dear Prasun,

Recently Indian Navy signed a contract with private shipping company to use one of their multi purpose ship for logistic services. Can't we outsource our armed forces logistics to private companies like this... It will reduce our maintenance cost as we don't have to keep larger logistics support forces.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

This is what Mr Praveen Sawhnew had to say. What are your reactions ?


https://youtu.be/thNkjR2bM8o

Regards

RJS

Parthasarathi said...

Sir,
Is there any definite proof that F16 was gundown by Mig 21 ? So far no definite proof is produced !
Regards.

PK said...

Dear prasun da

Just read this article.
www.indiandefencereview.com/news/china-pre-empts-indias-possible-use-of-the-gilgit-baltistan-card/

What are the implications for india by chinese move.

Is it for legitimizing girgit baltistan as part of pakistan and not as a disputed territory.so that there is no issue of cpec violating India's sovereignity.

And what are India's option to counter china. Your comments please

Karmic said...

Hi Prasun, This article is running for month and has become boring now. Can you please post a new topic may be about one summary post about top five weapons india is concentrating like Rustom 2, Tejas Mk1a first flight possible timeframe, Nag man portable version, Kaveri engine and our indigenous Aircraft carrier. I also want to know latest on Aura and laser weapons development but that will be too much. I was searching latest update on these topics for last two dates but all other Patrakar are just writing the same old stuff again and again.

Hope there are many like me who are well aware of India's programs and need some status update in a year. As of now you have been the most accurate of all so i only believe what you say.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://mea.gov.in/in-focus-article.htm?18970/How+Pakistan+avoided+a+plebiscite+Excerpts+from+the+book+quotThe+Kashmir+Storyquot+by+B+L+Sharma

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/19/infamous-post-911-california-sleeper-cell-case-continues-to-unravel/

Finally, some factoids are emerging:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/diary-pen-drive-reveal-agusta-kickback-trail/articleshow/68489973.cms

Looks like neither Christian Michel nor the former IAF CAS, ACM S P Tyagi, had anything to do with the deal.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

When & How Balakot first emerge into the radar:

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/19/infamous-post-911-california-sleeper-cell-case-continues-to-unravel/

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3220749/NGA-FOIA-DOCS-ResponsiveDocuments-2016-FOI-00022.pdf

https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/11/satellite.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&q=90

asd said...

https://mea.gov.in/in-focus-article.htm?18970/How+Pakistan+avoided+a+plebiscite+Excerpts+from+the+book+quotThe+Kashmir+Storyquot+by+B+L+Sharma

A very interesting and eye-opener link you have shared. Thanks again for enligting us!!!

Manivannan Sermaiya said...

Dear Prasun,

Why Germany is trying so hard to list Masood Azhar as terrorist in EU. Can it possibly get something from India for doing this....

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/germany-backs-move-to-ban-masood-azhar/articleshow/68489249.cms

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

https://theprint.in/defence/not-iaf-pilot-error-but-hal-upgrade-tech-glitch-suspected-in-bengaluru-mirage-2000-crash/208275/

https://theprint.in/defence/chopper-delivery-from-india-to-afghanistan-delayed-by-a-year-now-likely-in-june/207959/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/iaf-asks-for-fresh-ammo-as-pak-moves-up-f16s-takes-terror-camps-to-fata/articleshow/68490562.cms?utm_source=twitter_wap&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialsharebuttons&from=mdr

DAshu said...

eager to read the lessons learned thread from you

get2free said...

Sir,

PL conclude this blog. Eagerly waiting for it.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

We have the most advanced airforce in Asia, bar perhaps the Japanese. I don't understand all the consternation. Why all this introspection. Did PAF really dominate it that much in one very small incident? What is going on in the papers, even those written by the AVM is down right demoralizing. Why are we doing this to ourselves!!!

Is there any truth to the fact that NSA called up head of ISI and inform/discuss with him about missile strikes? If true do you think this was the right approach? Should the airforce not have been used?


Best wishes,
Rawat

Raj2019 said...

Hello Prasun,

Hilali claims that SU30 was short down and PAK army has an Israeli pilot in its possession. Pak media is spreading this , may be this is for domestic consumption but is hurting India. What is the truth ?
https://youtu.be/3z6Q_BcOGzk

voiceoftheneglected said...

https://taylorpearson.me/ooda-loop/

Get inside your adversary’s OODA loop.
I believe to some extent pak got into our loop and did the unexpected.
Better we learn ourselves. At all level we have to adopt the OODA loop.

To what i studied pak actions : first movers , are very fast , have high 'blind' trust on themselves and their leadership ....

I expect in some time PAF will raid some radar stations/iaf once all terrorists dispersed.
Already PAF is distributing into multiple squadrons and PAF drills on highway is already in place.

I think we need to do the unexpected : prepare to defend , use drones to fire up their ammo dumps














rejjo said...

Hi Prasun, you said the strikes on feb 26 was only because of the hard nudgings by the big 4 military powers. Do you think this will be the new normal by India from now on for any retaliatory or pre emptive strikes. Just want to understand whether the political class has the stomach for balakot and feb 27 like confrontation or they did it once just to keep the big 4 happy.

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