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Friday, January 1, 2021

Manned/Unmanned Airborne ISR Platforms Of China & India

PLAAF/PLAGF Platforms


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28 comments:

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

Wish a very happy #NewYear2021 to you and your family. Btw will be happier if you could name the slides and who actually owns operates these platforms.

Thanks
Joydeep ghosh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

The very same to you & all your loved ones. The slide captions & filenames are the same. Suggest that you kindly click on the slides to read the aircraft-types mentioned in the weblink.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

PA Found Converting UN Mission Employees To Islam In Congo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i70bE1Lirzk

This is nothing new. Back in the early 1990s when both the IA & PA sent detachments to be part of the UN peacekeeping force in Somalia, the PA detachment from one of the Punjabi Regiments used to go door-to-door then to distribute copies of the Quran & at the same time used to bad-mouth the IA's Punjabis & Sikhs by claiming that the Indians were 'Kafirs' & hence their assistance/help/advice must never be sought. This only stopped after the UN held an enquiry & found the PA guilty on all counts of the complaint. Such activities are common-practice among members of Pakistan's three services, who deeply adhere in the 'Daawat-e-Islam (invitation to embrace Islam) since they are taught from an early age that successfully converting even a single 'Kafir' to Islam earns them a confirmed ticket to 'Jannat' (heaven).

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Excellent Documentaries on the SFF's History & Operations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e71CrPYzsOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZM9sOWmf2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWuxR2PstBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq7GiqC0CMQ

Xi Jinping New Year Address: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUevNynvlkw

China’s Top 10 News in 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SyKXnrl00o&t=12s

PN Firing Mistral VSHORADS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU1ZarhOSSQ

NoMoreChicoms said...

Next phase of Chicom operations will start soon. Is Arunachal their target for spring and summer 2021?

Comments and thoughts on this interview and book?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrMcZHRboR8

Hardik Thanki said...

Hi Prasunji,

I have read according to "sources" largely that Heckler & Koch and FN Herstel both in past have declined to supply Indian Armed Forces or State Police Forces with their small arms. Is that really the case?

Thanks & Regards

Hardik Thanki

sandeep said...

https://youtu.be/0hgc6D8r3C0
Siachen training .... Missing exoskeleton that can make soldiers carry lot more weapons

Srinivasa Nanduri said...

Hi Prasun,

Happy New year.

Don't know how much you agree with the below, but it's a grim report about India's choices against China:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/01/india-china-himalayas-ladakh-standoff/

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri


Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To NOMORECHICOMS: Highly unlikely, since the terrain to the east is totally different & far more challenging for the PLA to overcome. And that was precisely why the PLAGF withdrew from NEFA even after its deep penetration back in 1962. And this very same person back in the early 1990s used to give the example of China’s rapid modernisation & economic upliftment.

To HARDIK THANKI: Neither India’s armed forces nor any state-level Police force use any small arms supplied by these 2 OEMs. Only the NSG & SPG do.

To SRINAVASA NANDURI: And the very same to you & all your loved ones. I generally concur with the assessment about the present state of affairs, but not with the reasons that have led to this state of affairs. For instance, after much searching, I have got hold of a map that illustrates all the dispositions of the IA’s 77 pickets established between 1959 & 1962 as part of the ‘Forward Pilicy’ at that time & it clearly shows that the Govt of India never authorised the IA or any CAPF then to go further east of the NH-219 Highway back then, which in effect means that at that very time itself, India had refused to establish its physical presence on those very areas that she claimed through her published survey maps. In other words, for all practical purposes India had unilaterally backed off from her territorial claims & it is in those unoccupied areas that the PLAGF has now come & squatted. Consequently, from a legal standpoint, India will find it impossible now to make a rational case for claiming those territories as her own & strictly from a legal standpoint, China therefore cannot be accused of committing any form of aggression.

Anonymous said...

Prasun,

1)Will the Indian Armed Forces be able to win or impose a stalemate in case of a Full Scale Two Front War or a Limited High intensity Two Front war with China & Pakistan?

2)Is Arunachal Pradesh & Ladakh defendable by IA in case PLA decides to attack & capture territory?

3)Any update on su30mki upgrade program?

4)What is the service life of MiG29UPG & Mirage 2000 IAF? When will their phaseout start?

5)A report by Delhi Defence Review says that Uttam AESA will complete all trials by June, 2021 & will be certified for fullscale production by 2021 end. Will it then be integrated with LCA MK1A, Mirage 2000, MiG29 & Jaguar? Will MBDA allow integration of Meteor on LCA, Su30 & Mirage 2000?

THANKS!

VIRAT

sanjay said...

Prasun sir happy new year

1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIaQ3nOGmEI
Acc to this 48 Special purpose Trailers were ordered for Agni-5
so 48 Agni missiles ordered by SFC.
Have they been deliverd

2)The Transporter for Arjun Tank have they been delivered?

3)When will order for Nag Atgm will be placed and how many?

4)How many M-46 were upgraded to 155mm in IA?

5)When and how will be CIWS requirements of IA and IAF will be fulfilled will it be L&T or DPSU product?

6)The IAF has 18 SPYDER-SR launchers in service and IA 4 Regiments(72 launchers)
is it correct?

thank you

Sanjay

Harsh said...

Sir, your comments on this:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/01/india-china-himalayas-ladakh-standoff/

Ashish Gautam said...

happy new year sir... & a new decade too...
news of 1710 armata tanks purchase deal is in air... any material in it or just a rumor??
also in case if such deal happens will they be produced by avadi in 15-20 years of by any pvt company in less then that time??

Parthasarathi said...

Sir, Can we fit DRDO AESA radar at our Sukhoi 30 ? If yes then we can integrate Meteor too.
Best regards

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIRAT: 1) Full-scale war along any front is impossible under nuclear overhang. In case of limited war the desired outcome will be a win on 1 front & a stalement on the other. 2) PLA can never attack & win anywhere in the north-eastern part of India. 3) Russia has yet to develop 2 extra-enhancements for Su-30MKI, i.e. the AESA-MMR with weather-mapping mode & an internal low-band jammer. Once they are ready the upgrade contract will be inked. 4) 20,000 flight-hours & hence both will have to be phased out starting 2040. 5) FAKE NEWS. By 2019 the Uttam AESA-MMR laboratory model had only 11 modes of operation available (developed since 2015) out of the 21 asked for by the IAF. Hence, the outstanding modes will be developed & made available for flight-testing only by 2025 at best, following which series-production will begin by late 2027. Only then can it be offered for ONLY the MWF & MiG-29UPGs. No other aircraft will be upgraded with this radar. If thye LRDE shares the Uttam’s source-codes with MBDA, then the Meteor can be integrated with these 2 aircraft-types. All 83 Tejas Mk.1As will have only EL/M-2052 AESA-MMR since the contract for the radars has already been inked.

To SANJAY: 1) They were delivered back in 2018 itself. 2) Tank transporters for all MBTs are the same & are not limited to the type of MBT. 3) Perhaps later this year & reqmt is for 2,000 rounds. 4) Only 40 by SOLTAM back in the late 1990s. 5) Not yet known. 6), No, the IAF has more.

To HARSH: Had answered that yesterday in response to the same query from SRINIVASA NANDURI.

To ASHISH GAUTAM: The same to you as well. Anything about imported MBTs is FAKE NEWS. Meanwhile, the silhouette of the 12 Patrol Craft to be built by Goa Shipyard Ltd that was shared by GSL on December 31 is this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqknolVVgAIMwgx?format=jpg&name=medium

It bears an uncanny resemblance to the craft developed for South Africa by this company:

http://www.navaldesign.co.za/

And here’s the craft delivered to South Africa:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kR6t4xHf_ykMppFG1w2ORmUc8FHM4CIZmqM7TMrmvR6pM5WP8slgaOKbGQVvi9JVVfrtOm_WNBVZ223kHVh66f6Otbyrya2hjBr7L6vd2l4

It won’t be surprising at all if it emerges that GSL had acquired the licence to build such craft by paying IPR-related royalty to the South African designer.

To PARTHASARATHI: By 2019 the Uttam AESA-MMR laboratory model had only 11 modes of operation available (developed since 2015) out of the 21 asked for by the IAF. Hence, the outstanding modes will be developed & made available for flight-testing only by 2025 at best, following which series-production will begin by late 2027. Only then can it be offered for ONLY the MWF & MiG-29UPGs. No other aircraft will be upgraded with this radar. If the LRDE shares the Uttam’s source-codes with MBDA, then the Meteor can be integrated with these 2 aircraft-types. All 83 Tejas Mk.1As will have only EL/M-2052 AESA-MMR since the contract for the radars has already been inked. Here’s the poster of the Uttam AESA-MMR:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eFl3M7xUaN4/WKMYyWpO6ZI/AAAAAAAAMX4/SKKF6CKo0XsfRxfg9qDjwBGP-U702gkSwCLcB/s1600/Uttam%2BAESA-MMR-1.jpg

AJ said...

Hi Prasunda,

Happy New Year!

Will Uttam radar compete with Russia AESA radar. Based on development timeline, it looks like Uttam AESA Radar might beat Russian Zhuk based on timeline of delivery.

Thoughts?

AJ

Anonymous said...

Sir,

1)Which would be a better fighter jet: Tejas MK 1A or JF17 Block 3?

2)When will Astra MK2 be ready for series production? Will it be integrated with LCA & Mirage 2000? Will Astra MK2 have dual pulse solid rocket motor or SFDR?

Thanks!
SURYA

just_curious said...

Prasun,

New year wishes to u & your loved ones,

1-the chinese as expected have a disproportinatly high no of diff class of surveillance assests.. and the ones india owns are also in very small nos.. does MoD have a plan to bridge the gap , how?
2- indigenous irst development by drdo .. how good can it be expected to be & why not just stick to the latest rusian one or the one on rafales or the american irst21-all proven.. why spend the time & effort on this tech. @max we would be needing no more than 800 including UAV's
3- VEM tech ajita SAM- could you throw some more light on this
4 - Any update on ijt 36 spin test
5-which missile will be tested by the IAF starting tomm
6-there is news about drdo blocking pvt attempts to make/showcase their UAV's true?
7- news abt the "new pakistan"...http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2021/01/turkey-pakistan-in-top-level-discussion.html - how true is this & if truw what are is impications .. will NATO wakeup & smell coffee? will it tighten (EU-US)-India defence co op?
8-Another FATF sessions comming up & Pakis playing out their SOP(lakhvi's arrest).. will it be more of the greylist stuff? http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2021/01/daniel-pearls-killer-being-protected-by.html --
9- arrest of Chinese by afghans national agency for aiding haqqanis.. nothing more clearer than an act of terror , how does this play out in FATF, UN and other international forums? so far no one has raised this issue. Also the recent spate of bombing in kabul.. ISI racking up its ante.. msg to biden admin? how will it react? no one seems to care about the afghan lives ditto with nigerians & boko haram terror guess its "white/western lives matter" only motto. why haven't the african countries united aganist boko haram given that it plays around a trilateral junction & also the fact that there & atleast a dozen pan african forums

NoMoreChicoms said...

1) Arunachal terrain is like Vietnam... so PLA doesn't dare strike Vietnam? Why would PLA withdraw from Arunachal in 1962 but invade Vietnam in 1979? Secondly, current Indian political leaders are completely unprepared and can't stomach war. Lastly, Arunachal is isolated from the rest of India by Siliguri, while being closer to Chengdu and China Proper. Can't they use human wave tactic in Arunachal unlike Ladakh? And cut off the rest of India with more air power?

2) Kalyani MGS system is ready for field testing? What's the catch?

3) Can Chinese attack helis crush our infantry and armour since we don't have any LCH to match them?

4) Our infantry are completely unprotected in Ladakh without APC and IFVs? What's the situation? Or they have rusty old BMPs?

5) LCA MK1A... when is the contract signed?

6) Is this the correct analysis? Specifically, he says China has superior ISR and airlifting capability: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh45oV4QZ34

ajay said...

To Surya don't be Oversmart (S Chatterjee)

Mr.Prasun

Happy New Year

1)When will NSM will be ordered for MH-60Rs?

2)What is the status of Prahaar and Pralay NLOS-BSMs?

3)Has the IFF transponders for our MBTs in place?

4)Is the order for HAL Rudra for IA 58 or 78?
Have all of them been delivered?

Thank You

ajay

Mohan said...

Prasun Sir,
Happy New Year!

It is clear that China will do anything & everything to prevent India from capturing PoK & GB through military ops.. Is it still possible for India to launch an offensive operation to capture PoK & GB especially with situation on Chinese Front?

Thanks!

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AJ: And the same to you. There’s no competition between the two. What was shown at Aero India 2019 was just a static mechanical mounting of the AESA-MMR’s antenna front-end. There’s a lot more to be done & all that can be done only on board an airborne test platform (similar in size to an An-32RE) that can also accommodate all the flight-test recording equipment & processors, since no Tejas Mk.1 PV or LSP can carry such equipment due to total lack of space. Even the list of various LRUs of the Uttam’s back-end have not yet been finalised & won’t be until the airborne flight-tests commence on board an airborne An-32RE-type testbed. This is how it has been & continues to be done all over the world & therefore India won’t be an exception. Hence, don’t be carried away by FAKE NEWS being peddled about the Uttam’s functionality being ensured by 2021. No publication or individual peddling FAKE NEWS can ever substitute sequential scientific & engineering processes with whimsical claims.

To SURYA: As of now, the JF-17 Block-3 exists, whereas one has yet to see the 1st prototype of Tejas Mk.1A rolling out of HAL. For Astra-2, do refer to its poster that I had uploaded in the DEFEXPO-2020 thread.

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) While the Searcher Mk.1s of the IAF plus the Searcher Mk.2s & heron-1s of the IA, IAF & IN are versatile & can perform tactical ISR functions, there is a need for UAVs imn 2 critical categories: turbofan-powered HALE-UAVs & Spyliye-type mini-UAVs for conducting battlefield surveillance in support of artillery fire-support missions. 2) The term’indigenous’ for a ‘desi IRST sensor’ only means that 40% of it must be domestically developed & produced, with the rest being imported. 3) It is the version of the Barak-8 LR-SAM operating in conjunction with a high-power radar (HPR). VEM is only offering its manufacturing solution, not is design & development option. 5) Probably the Astra-1 & Rudram NG-ARM. 6) 100% true. 7) That ‘news’ had originated here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUNrwZb5HZc

9) Far more dangerous than that is the increasing quantum of Made-in-China pistols & hand-grenades being recovered inside J & K UT almost twice every week.

To NOMORECHICOMS: 1) The terrain along the Sino-Vietnamese border is of the highland-type & is well-connected by roads. And this is how the terrain along the LAC in Arunachal Pradesh is:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqzs4JFU0AAjKjp?format=jpg&name=large

Back in 1962 due to the absence of both arterial & conbecting road networks in NEFA, no PLA invasion force could sustain itself inside NEFA for long & hence the sudden withdrawal. Even today there are no major arterial road networks inside Arunachal Pradesh. 2) Most probably the DRDO trying to come up with its own alternative. 3) None of the PLAGF’s attack helicopters have thus far been deployed close to the LAC since they cannot operate at such high altitudes. 4) Adequate nos of BMP-2 ICVs are deployed there. 5) I guess after HAL succeeds in rolling out the 1st prototype. 6) Persistent ISR, yes, because the PLAAF operates turbofan-powered HALE-UAVs. But in terms of airlift capabilities, the airports are stretched too far from the LAC & hence in this case the IAF emerges superior.

To AJAY: 1) Both the MH-60Rs & HSMs were ordered on the same day last year. 2) Prahar is ready for service-induction while Pralay has yet to be test-fired.

To MOHAN: It is not possible since both the IA & IAF lack offensive firepower of the quantum reqd for staging land offensives inside PoK.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

The US still calls all the shots about the future of TAR:

https://theprint.in/opinion/tibet-fulcrum-new-cold-war-politics-us-china-tension-grows/576852/

https://theprint.in/opinion/how-us-bill-on-tibet-can-check-chinese-excesses-but-why-indias-hands-are-still-tied/575029/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_8u8Im6xi8

And TR-3B triangular flying objects over Nellis AFB in the US:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eq0NYU_XAAADwYJ?format=jpg&name=large

Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1345799585931866114?s=20

The Washington Post obtained a recording of Trump urging Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to overturn the results of the election.

Ron

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,

Happy New Year. I have always through our forces were surperior to PLA but for some reason we are afraid to unleash them. We have allowing ourselves to be beaten again. I agree with you we don't yet have the force levels to take PoK. Question is with PAF likely to be getting the JF-17 blk III with ASEA & PL-15 BVR, would this challenge the superiority that IAF currently enjoys? How do you see the air balance over the next few years?

RAT2

bhoutik said...

prashun bhai, has there been large scale fraud in the american election as this video seems to indicate - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKiyAy9vjrk&feature=emb_logo

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAT 2: It is not about being beaten again, since this time the PLAGF did not forcibly evict or use military force to encroach or annex any piece of real estate. The original sin was committed by India way back in 1950 when she published thios map, which says it all:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4I4DAdFdylc/UYRI1ThSVSI/AAAAAAAAEwE/CwSx8iMnXJ4/s1600/Govt+of+India's+1950+Map.jpg

So since the IB wasn’t marked on the map (it could not be in any case, since China was not officially asked to sit down & draw up the IB in Aksai Chin), China started building NH-219 in 1951 & it was only in 1954 that the second official Indian map appeared, which is this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5Yb6V4UyiPc/UYRI7OPDnZI/AAAAAAAAEwM/fAFs1OlTVwY/s1600/Govt+of+India's+1954+Map.jpg

But despite this, no one from India had then even bothered to secure those territories in Aksai Chin which India had claimed. This carried on till 1962 & even after that till this day. India has the force-levels & firepower reqd for liberating PoK under a one-front scenario, but not under a two-front scenario. There is still no confirmation from either AVIC or PAC Kamra about any AESA-MMR being selected for the JF-17 Block-3. In fact, there are no home-grown AESA-MMRs originating from China (they remain elusive just like the FWS-10A turbofan) & that’s what made the PAF run to Selex-Galileo of Italy, but that option too cannot be exercised now due to the pressures from both the IMF & FATF. And that’s also the reason why Pakistan has got money to ensure that 12 days of POL stockpile reserves (back in mid-1999 the reserves were for only 4 days).

To BHOUTIK: If there was any large-scale fraud, then the US Supreme Court would have stepped in by now. One must also note that channels like NTD are staunch supporters of both Taiwan & the present-day POTUS & hence they are at the forefront of supporting the present US administration so that China continues to be attacked & sanctioned in every possible way.

Meanwhile, this video has emerged showing PLAGF armoured vehicles near the Spanggur Gap to the east of Chushul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7446IX-yOE

However, I don't see any cannon barrels in the videoclip. It is possible that the turrets have been turned back towards the hills, or they may just be tracked vehicles armed with HJ-10A wire-guided ATGMs or they may well be only ZBD-=04A tracked ICVs.

A recent documentary on HUAWEI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq25k7XTrk8

SMASH-2000 Augmented Reality Sighting System for SLRs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKUnoOs_DhQ

India sourcing Lithium from South America: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcVXbAQ5n1Q&t=58s

AJ said...

Prasunda,

Thanks for your response.

AJ