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Monday, July 31, 2023

GIDS Exhibits At IDEF'23 Originate From China & South Africa

IDEF’23, the 16th International Defence Industry Fair held between July 25 and 28, 2023 at Istanbul, Turkiye, saw Pakistans state-owned Global Industrial & Defence Solutions (GIDS) exhibiting several of its products that were clearly of China-origin. This should not come as a surprise, as such a practice has been in existence since the mid-1990s. For instance, the Hatf-9/Nasr MBRL is in essence the WS-32 400mm, 4-tube MBRL, while the Fatah-1 MBRL is the eight-tube WS-35 302mm MBRL.

These MBRLs were developed by China’s Chengdu-based Sichuan Aerospace Industry Corp, but were marketed by China’s state-owned ALIT and China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp (CPMIEC).

China’s cruise missile design, research, development, and manufacturing are now concentrated in a single business division within one of two state aerospace conglomerates, the China Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation (CASIC) Third Academy. One of seven design academies under CASIC—which has more than 100,000 employees—the Third Academy—is China’s principal R & D and manufacturing entity for all types of cruise missiles. Established in 1961, the Third Academy has been involved in the design and development of 20 types of cruise missiles, including the indigenous Haiying- and Yingji-series and their export versions. Today, it boasts of 10 research institutes and two factories, with 13,000+ employees, including 2,000 researchers and around 6,000 technicians.

Hongdu Aviation Industry Group (formerly Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing Co), under Aviation Industry Corporation of China, produces FL- and TL-series of anti-ship cruise missiles for export. Finally, for three decades China has marketed a wide range of indigenously produced cruise missiles (and other weapons systems) through the China Precision Machinery Import & Export Corp (CPMIEC), the CASIC Third Academy’s export management branch. Established in 1980, CPMIEC is a member of the Xinshidai Group and jointly owned by CASIC and the Chinese Aerospace Science & Technology Corp (CAST).

It was CASIC that in August 2001 succeeded in smuggling out of Kiev all relevant production engineering data packages of a LACM called Korshun, which had by then been developed by Ukraine’s Dnipropetrovsk-based Yuzhnoye State Design Bureau, with production tooling being built by the Yuzhnoye Machine-Building Production Association, or Yuzhmash. The Korshun’s powerplant was a redesigned RD95-300 turbofan that bore a strong resemblance to the 36MT engine developed by Russia’s NPO Saturn.

Dimensions of the Korshun included a wingspan of 3.1 metres, length of 6.3 metres, diameter of 0.514 metres, and a mass of 1,090kg. Range of the LACM was then claimed to be 600km when carrying a 500kg warhead. in 2002, China created a consortium of state-owned R & D institutes and companies (called the Xi’an Sicong Group) that included the Shanghai Institute for Optics & Fine Mechanics, China North Opto‑Electro Industries Corporation (OEC), Changchun Institute of Optics & Fine Mechanics, and Luoyang Opto-Electro Technology Development Centre.

These entities had earlier obtained vital optronic technology inputs from Ukraine’s TOCHNOST. By late 2003, the CASIC Third Academy (also known as China Haiying Electro-Mechanical Technology Academy or CHETA) and 8359 Research Institute had, along with the Beijing University for Aeronautics & Astronautics, Shanghai Jiaotong University, China State Electronics Systems Engineering Corp, Sichuan Aerospace Industry Corp and the Tianjin Institute for Power Sources, had completed fabrication of the first six prototypes of the 1,500km-range DH-10A LACM variant of the Korshun, and in August 2004 the first test-firings were conducted at an instrumented offshore range in the Bohai Sea.

CASC’s Beijing Xinghang Electromechanical Equipment Factory (159 Factory) is the final assembly facility for the DH-10A, while Beijing Hangxing Machine Building Factory (239 Factory) and the Xinxin Factory in Shanghai produce the various on-board components.

The LACM and its AKD-20 ALCM variant carries a range of different 770lb or 1,100lb warheads. The GLCM variant has a length of 7 metres, launch mass of 1,350kg, warhead mass of 300kg, and cruise speed of 0.9 Mach. The GLCM variant has since been sold to Pakistn as the Babur and Harbah cruise missiles.

China’s PL-12 BVRAAM is equipped with active radar-homing seeker developed by Ukraine’s Radionix. It uses a dual-thrust solid rocket motor and can exceed Mach 4 and endure 38 G. The missile’s omnidirectional sensors are accurate to within 1 metre. Its active radar seeker is the Ka-band ‘Onix’ from Radionix, which has a range of 25km, search area of +/-40 degrees in azimuth and elevation and offers “fire-and-forget” capabilities. It has a 24kg warhead and uses a radio proximity fuse. Initial versions of the PL-12 had used the Russia-origin Agat/Istok 9B-1350E Ku-band seekers.

A ground-launched variant of the PL-12 is the Faaz BVRAAM and its Faaz-SL variant from GIDS.

China’s latest PL-15 BVRAAM, under development since 2009, was first test-fired on September 15, 2015. The missile, which too uses the Onix seeker,  weighs 210kg, has a range of 145km and uses a dual-pulse, smokeless solid-propellant rocket motor for extended range (two fuel chambers and one exhaust nozzle) that was originally developed by South Africa’s DENEL Dynamics for the ‘Marlin’ BVRAAM. For long-range engagements the first pulse fires and the missile glides towards its target before the second pulse fires at a later point in time. For shorter engagements, both pulses can be fired almost simultaneously. Top speed is close to Mach 4. Flight control is by servo motor controlled fins. The PL-15’s airframe can sustain 30 G and its leading edges can function in temperatures of both -50 degrees Celsius and + 900 degrees Celsius once launched.

The Faaz family of BVRAAMs shown by GIDS at IDEF’23 is, in reality, the Umkhonto family of BVRAAMs developed by South Africa’s Dynamics.

The Shahpar-3 UAV from GIDS is, in reality, the FH-95 UAV from the China Aerospace Science & Technology Corporation. Its MTOW is 1,000kg, maximum payload weight is 250kg, service ceiling of 42,000 feet and a flight endurance of 24 hours.

The Tipu 155mm GPS-guided projectile is, in reality, NORINCO of China’s GP-155B projectile.

The range-extension kits (REK) emanating from GIDS too come from China.
The Burq ASM is in reality the AR-1 ASM from China.

Finally, the Taimur ALCM showcased by GIDS is, in reality, a souped-up variant of the TS-20 PGM developed by Tengden of China, which will be powered by China-origin turbojets.

The latest PGM to be imported by the PAF from China is shown below.

84 comments:

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SATYAKI: In case you want to know how countries like Iran & Pakistan manage to obtain missile technologies from China & North Korea, then do watch this investigative report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqDCrdZVZnk&t=14s

Storm Shadow ALCM's Usage by Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRHnblS7EoE

DAshu said...

You rightly said before an independent Ukraine is indeed a disaster to world peace and certainly very bad for India.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

VMT.

1. What does China gain by allowing Pak to present, sell and profit from products from its own MIC ?

2. When you said that what NoKo might give Pak depends on what type of canister technology Pak is asking for, does this mean Pak may not get the ability to cold launch a land based MRBM/IRBM from a canister ?

3. Would India be able to deploy Agni-P ad Agni-5 in service before any Pak canister capability appears ?

4. To counter Fatah/Weishi series precision guided rockets Pak has, dose'nt India need to deploy the prahar in a conventional role ? Why has there been such a delay doing this ?

Satyaki

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1-porkies will go on a buying spree .. what all will they end up buying? any way India can styme the flow of weapons & tech from rogue countries like Ukraine/ S Africa N korea turkey etc..

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: https://www.afcea.org/signal/resources/content/Strider_Technologies_Strider-Quantum-Dragon-Report_(1).pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMSkIupYBy4&t=5s

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/blob/2608580/49d50fecc479304c3da2e2079c55e106/china-strategie-en-data.pdf

To SATYAKI: China gains financially since Pakistan procures such weapons from China & re-brands them for re-sale. 2) The PA is on the lookout for SS-BSMs to replace its old Ghaznavi SRBMs. 3) Yes. 4) Not quite, since the PA will be using such MBRLs within its own territory, such as Chicken's Neck area. Prahar is armed with TNW & hence cannot be used against such PA MBRLs. Instead, loitering drones need to be used against them.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

VMT. But wont any customer do better simply by buying the weapons directly from China rather than purchasing the same weapons resold by Pak.

Satyaki

Raghu said...

Hi

Pakistan has invested in research into some very interesting materials as per the below report

https://vpk-name.translate.goog/news/750764_pakistancy_primeryat_grafenovye_bronezhilety.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Regards

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da, thanks for the Blog.

BTW, Can you share your views regarding the following:

A) Prasun Da, what is the present status of DRDO developed Truck Mounted Gun System ?

https://www.psuconnect.in/sdsdsd/jpg_20221205_080349_0000.jpg, when will It is going to be inducted ?

B) Is there any headway to acquire quad engine configured Flying Test Bed like IL 76 for development of Jet Engine ?

Thanks in Advance.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SATYAKI: It is known as PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY, i.e. If China does not want to be seen as a weapons supplier to Azerbaijan for fear of angering Iran, then Beijing will use Pakistan as the proxy weapons supplier.

To RAGHU: LoLz! Since Pakistn has identified its exploitable mineral wealth as being valued at US$6.5 trillion, I guess it will emerge a few years later as an industrialised & prosperous country with $3 trillion GDP that will be able to afford new-generation MRCAs like the KAAN from Turkey!!!

Pakistan Minerals Summit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS3OhTFXPeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtdL3VSUt80

An excellent explanation of Afghan Taliban 1.0, Taliban 2.0 & Taliban 3.0:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFXpVuUqUss&t=2s

To SUMANTA NAG: 1) That is the 155mm/52-cal MGS co-developed by Kalyani Group & BEML. 2) If India wants, she can easily send one of the IAF’s IL-76MDs to Russia for conversion into an airborne testbed. It is perfectly doable. However, WRT the 73kN-thrust Kaveri, it ought to be installed on one of the Tejas Mk.1 PV/LSP aircraft & be subjected to high-speed taxi-trials. This will allow the Kaveri to be optimised for full-flight tests within a period of 3 years (if 3 Tejas Mk.1 airframes were to be dedicated as flying prototypes powered by Kaveri turbofans). After that, the Kaveri will be capable of obtaining its airworthiness certification. Consequently, such a Tejas MK.1’s tandem-seat variant with a modified cockpit featuring sidestick controls (like those on the Rafale & projected Tejas-AF Mk.2) will be an ideal LIFT aircraft for both the IAF & IN. For the latter, such a LIFT can easily be used for training pilots for conducting arrested landings & takeoffs from STOBAR aircraft carriers.

IN Orders Raw Materials for SSN Construction:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/kmml-gets-105-crore-contract-from-navy/article67142743.ece

Extraordinary Security Measures in Chengdu for Xi Jinping’s Proximity Security:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z6I5rCyKBOc?feature=share

VSJ said...

Is this the definitive movement on SSN construction? I.e. design and everything all done and long lead items are now being procured?

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

5.56 x 45 insas didn't work well but 5.56 x 45 Galil are some of the most sought after how n why

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VSJ: Yes indeed. And this is the company that will manufacture the components:

https://www.f-f.co.in/site-assets/images/pdf/FF-Doors-and-Hatches-Brochure.pdf

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s9LU3B1SHmE/VJY_CLHvFmI/AAAAAAAAIvc/3y_VPYHrLnk/s1600/FLASH%2BFORGE-built%2BPiping.jpg

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: The nswer is elementary: superior end-product engineering & superior metallurgy.

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da,

A) is 155mm/52-cal MGS co-developed by Kalyani Group & BEML ready for induction ? If yes, what may be the tentative date ?

B) So, there is no proposal is under consideration for conversion of IL-76MD in to Flying/Air borne Test Bed ?

Thanks in advance.

asd said...

Dear Prasun,
1. Which shipyard is going to produce the SSN? Vizag or Mazagon Dock?
2. What is the rationale for deployment of Tejas Mk1 in Kashmir i.e. forward areas? You can't deploy a handicapped one take credit for that!!!
3. What's your view on the recent violence in Harayana? Minu Manesar a Gunda who was fed with love by BJP, now being targeted!!!
4. Earlier you told that after NDA government took charge, the number of terrorist incidents came down. On the contrary number of violence incidents and arsons have increased. Your view upon it.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUMANTA NAG: 1) To date only 1 prototype has been built. Up to 6 prototypes are reqd for field-testing purposes. 2) LoLz! You are having high expectations from the DRDO! The ‘Anusandhaan’ airborne testbed was acquired only 3 years ago when it should have been procured 2 decades ago for flight-testing of the Tejas Mk.1’s avionics suites. That’s how decision-making processes work within the DRDO & the Govt of India. For example, what does this man know about quantum computing?:

http://www.uniindia.com/renowned-scientist-dr-vijay-kumar-appointed-qetci-board-chairman/business-economy/news/3022703.html

To ASD: 1) Why are you asking this when I had already given the details here:

https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2023/06/updates-from-vizag-bhuj.html

2) It is not in a forward area, since forward areas have ‘FBSU’ or forward base supply units, not full fledged air bases like Avantipora. Blame the ‘desi patrakaars’ for getting it all wrong! 3) Not any Monu, but entities like VHP & Bajrang Dal, which will face the axe just like the Hindu Yuva Vahini did in UP. After Praveen Togadia of VHP was turned into a vegetable & no one knows whether he is dead or alive, it is time for the remnants of the VHP to undergo similar treatments. 4) That is due to the ineptitude of the Union Ministry of Home Affairs over the past 4 years.

rad said...


Hi prasun
the vshorads seems to be entering pre production just after 2 firings? how did the drdo up do that? world over many firing are required with altitiudes crossings. jamming etc.?

is the new hyderabad facility making aesa based seekers for akash NG u did post some pics of the then Vice president inspecting them on display

chinese gps guided 155 mm shells need special 20,000 g hardened rf component to wiht stand the shock of firing. how did they manage to make that?

where did the 2 color IIR sensor come from

what is the radar system that is going too cue the vshorads

with all our experience in radar making cant these idiots make a an elevated antenna for low level ac like the girafee of saab?


joydeep ghosh said...

@asd

'after NDA government took charge, the number of terrorist incidents came down' Really!!!

well fact is that the bastard davinder singh who was arrested for carrying 2 terrorist in a car by another ips official said that don't touch me i have connection and clearance from top. clearance from top for what and who. you can easily connect the dots.

fact is that the official who arrested davinder singh has been sent on punishment posting. why ? perhap he stopped a terrorist attack from being orchestrated that could have been used for political gains just like pulwama. who used pulwama for political gains connect the dots.

fact is that davinder singh was posted in pulwama and was transferred just 2 days before the attack. and after his arrest no case against was taken up by the court because national security agencies said that 'for sake of national security the case be dropped' now connect the dots

facts are that both his daughter were studying costly medical courses in Dhaka university. where did he get the money to fund their education. connect the dots

after the case was dropped davinder singh and his entire family has gone kaput. how and why connect the dots

now you can realise that whether really after NDA government took charge, the number of terrorist incidents or were fanned for political gains

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

@ Joydeep Ghosh, Sire, hope you are in great love with the entities called RSS and BJP, and same obsession, addiction may go unabated. However, problem is that since that love is blind enough you try to distinguish between love personified and loveable things all around so that either you fail to spot truth or your probable blind myopic vision simply overlook the fact that your lovers are not from Mars.

"well fact is that the bastard davinder singh who was arrested for carrying 2 terrorist in a car by another ips official said that don't touch me i have connection and clearance from top. clearance from top for what and who. you can easily connect the dots."

---- Has it been proved in the court beyond doubt that Top indeed was somebody from yours love personified ? Or may dots be connected on thin air based on bubbles of sentiment or mere hypothesis, which is rejected by Law of the Land ?

"act is that davinder singh was posted in pulwama and was transferred just 2 days before the attack. and after his arrest no case against was taken up by the court because national security agencies said that 'for sake of national security the case be dropped' now connect the dots"

------ Again your amusing logic of connecting dots are resurfaced like the gibberish by the Juliet blind in love for Romeo. In reality NIA has filed the Chargesheet, and without any enquiry that Fellow has been dismissed from service by the Governor, and that has been done in ambit of Rule i.e. clause 2 of Article 311 of the Constitution.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/nia-to-probe-case-of-arrested-jk-dsp-davinder-singh/article61643421.ece

The reason of his summery dismissal and forfeiting his gallantry award may be traced back to 1990s during the start of his career, when Davinder Singh along with fellow probationary SI was caught selling Contraband, and dismissal was stopped by an IG Rank officer, and later this Davinder Singh guy was rehabilitated in SOG(Elite Counter Terrorism Force of J&K Police) in 1997 !!! Guess who were in power then, both in the State and Central Government ? All so called call for Connecting Dots will burst into air.

Can you please name the 'Sahid' NIA officer who has attained 'Sahadat' by said 'punishment posting' ? Or Provide a link when and where NIA dropped charge against that Fellow ? Rather link suggests that fellow was granted interim relief by the Delhi High Court after Delhi Police miraculously failed to file the Charge Sheet in stipulated 90 days despite claiming his link with ISI's Punjab Unit, but had to be lodged in Kathua's Heeranagar jail, since he is arrested by the NIA.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/davinder-singh-bail-terror-case-jammu-and-kashmir-1690700-2020-06-19

In April, 2021, The Jammu and Kashmir High Court has dismissed a plea by the suspended deputy superintendent of police (DSP), Davinder Singh, seeking transfer of his case from a special court in Jammu to Srinagar. The NIA had filed the Charge Sheet under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967 and various sections of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) before the Court of Special Judge, Jammu.

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/jammu-and-kashmir-hc-dismisses-suspended-dsp-davinder-singh-s-case-transfer-plea-974850.html

In February, 2023 the NIA seized 3(Three Cars) viz. Hyundai i20 car No: JK-03H 1738, Maruti 800 car No: JK-13B 0814 and Hyundai i20 Sportz car No: JK-01AK 8878 of Davinder Singh.

https://www.indianarrative.com/kashmir-news/nia-seizes-cars-used-by-dismissed-dsp-davinder-singh-and-terrorists-in-jk-109623.html#:~:text=The%20NIA%20spokesperson%20on%20Saturday%20said%20that%20Hyundai,had%20now%20been%20seized%20with%20necessary%20legal%20formalities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx5RX_xXdhc

.....Continued

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

facts are that both his daughter were studying costly medical courses in Dhaka university. where did he get the money to fund their education.

--Dhaka University in contrary runs one of the most affordable Medical Course for those who can expend money to compensate the merit, as such that attracts Students not only from India and Nepal but also PRC.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/education/251740/bangladesh-hub-of-medical-studies-in-asia

---Well, if his highness is surprised to find the family of the fellow living lavishly, then it is sure Your Highness really lives in Mars so that no information has been transmitted of historical lavish livelihood of Scammers, Criminals, Black Marketeers rampant in the History of the Earthlings.

"after the case was dropped davinder singh and his entire family has gone kaput. how and why connect the dots"

---- The amusing heavenly word of connecting dots resurfaced. How can a Jailed person go Kaput with Family, even that is a very hard and luckless try for a Sorcar.

"now you can realise that whether really after NDA government took charge, the number of terrorist incidents or were fanned for political gains"

--- Your love personified had bloomed to include whole NDA Sire !!! Please continue with your love unabetted.

By The Way, after being overwhelmed by your logic made with highly ambiguous mixing up of events the Mindless Tribalism in Manipur with the main-lander crony politic such as taking example of one person Kanhaiya Kumar who has cat jumped from CPI(M) to INC (like any other sub continental politician does), and (I doubt you will feel happiest if that person in future perfect his precise ability of high jump to land in the lap of the present ruling dispensation in Centre with whom you have fallen with unadulterated love)to pop up a theory without any firm ground viz, declaring class of Clans as the result of 'Religious Hatred' sown by your love personified despite the declaration of His Holiness Cardinal Oswald Gracias, the Archbishop of Bombay, the clash being the ethnic while appealing for peace.

https://www.ndtv.com/video/news/news/not-a-religious-conflict-bombay-archbishop-oswald-gracias-on-manipur-714294

In the end, your Highness may do a Favour to name the quality and quantity of Weed of you consume in smoking, so that same can be the topic of research.

Thanks and thousand Sallutes, I bow before thy,,,

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da i think you misunderstood the govt support bajrang dal and vhp enjoy in haryana. sample this
Bajrang Dal VHP Terrorist Fire Sophisticated Weapons as Harayana Police Looks on During Nuh Riots
https://youtu.be/opQSWT0-Isg

do you believe that anything will change i think it is impossible

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

joydeep ghosh said...

@xsumant nag / সুমন্ত নাগ

1. really you talk of kanhaiya kumar but calmly refuse to acknowledge hemant biswa sarma (his actions have proved why rahul gandhi was busy feeding his dog with him around 😃😃😃), shehzad poonawala, rpn singh, jyotiraditya scidia (poor chap was once revered as shrimant but now has been relegated to bhaisaab in bjp 😃😃😃) gaurav bhatia,vk singh (who entered forces hiding his true age 😃😃😃)

2. 'from the top' are not my words but the ips officer who arrested him, and no not the nia officer but the ips officer who arrested him is serving punishment posting where is he now can you tell. check it you will know 😃😃😃

3. summary dismissal is a very light punishment for such an act by davinder singh go check shahbeg singh he played pivotal role in 1971 war but later actions were of such nature that army considering his work let him off lightly with summary dismissal, he was one of the last terrorist to be killed in akal takht in 1984

4. that he was dismissed for his 1990s act is indication enough he is touch me not, if any one raises the issue of 2 terrorists, he will bring out can of worms 😃😃😃 this is indication enough he is getting out lightly 😃😃😃

5. any guess why the cars were seized only in 2023 😃😃😃

6 you yourself say 'after Delhi Police miraculously failed to file the Charge Sheet in stipulated 90 days' 😃😃😃 is it not a indication of too much kaali daal with lots of fish in it 😃😃😃 and who instructed delhi police not to oppose bail?? didn't anyone tell you that delhi police refused to oppose brijbhushan singh bail despite claiming that his crimes were of serious nature 😃😃😃 delhi police works under whose direction please tell me 😃😃😃


7. the attack on jnu in 2019 was not just orchestrated by delhi police, enough video exists where delhi police can be seen guiding abvp students into jnu campus and even guiding them out, I clearly remember a cop said 'ekk line mein jaiye', any guess where are komal sharma (who held a large chopper and threatened a jnu girl with acid) and akshat awasthi (who had a spiked hockey stick) the ring leaders of jnu attack, anything has happened on that case 😃😃😃 I am betting 1 paise nothing will haopen to those bastands

8. actually I wanted to say his family has disappeared btw plastic surgery course anywhere is costly 😃😃😃 where are they now ?

9. ever heard of iit prof (retd) vk tripathi, connect with him on twitter he will tell you what has been going wrong in India since 2014

10. kindly check the latest confrontation between manipur police (meitei) and capfs, find out why it happened 😃😃😃 possibly then you will come out of your well from where you make a lot of noise 😃😃😃


সুমন্ত নাগ you really need to get out of your well 😃😃😃

thanks
Joydeep ghosh






joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

now pakistan has signed CISMOA with USA

my guess this is bad news for India and afghanistN BOTH

your views

thanks
JJoydeep ghosh

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

@Joydeep Ghosh, Sire, I really like your Highness's comical appearance with everchanging emotional faces in between sentences which may be thy nature of unsound minds provocated by whims and fancies, but lolz Sire, that unlike you I do not owe allegiance to any school of thoughts, that's why I remain unperturbed by any political upheaval and do not bother for whichever political dispensation is in the rule of power. But it is botheration for rational Indian Citizen that whether they like to be ruled or governed or whether they feel fine to be ruled, but be not worry Sire, it is for rational citizen only. Now, let's dissect your comments.

"1. really you talk of kanhaiya kumar but calmly refuse to acknowledge hemant biswa sarma (his actions have proved why rahul gandhi was busy feeding his dog with him around ������), shehzad poonawala, rpn singh, jyotiraditya scidia (poor chap was once revered as shrimant but now has been relegated to bhaisaab in bjp ������) gaurav bhatia,vk singh (who entered forces hiding his true age ������)"

---Sire, as I had earlier stated, due to my non-allegiance to any school of thought, I classify the all political clans irrespective of any colour into one grouping called 'Ruling Elites'. Hopefully, your answer was given. Regarding Ex-General's case (though curious as it may be seems first of its kind in history of Indian Armed Forces), the following comments may be seen "The Union government had never questioned Gen Singh’s integrity or bona fides but contested his petition as a matter of principle, which did not cast any reflection on his ability to lead the Army" --- Statement of the then AG as recorded by the Hon'ble Supreme Court in 2012. Finally, Hon'ble Supreme Court's answer may be seen "xxX The matter was discussed in the Army and the ministry, and you accepted that it be 1950. If you had continued to show it to be 1951, you would probably have faced disciplinary action. You had reconciled to the position that for service your date of birth is 1950. Having given that commitment, it does not befit a meritorious officer like you to take such a stand at the fag end of the (sic) career. May be it is an unfortunate happening or destiny, but you accepted the date of birth as 1950 xXX" Seems that the General saved by the UPA in Court had been rehabilitated in the retired life in NDA ? Is not it great Sire, for your love and addiction for your love personified ?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/gen-vk-singh-loses-battle-for-age-tries-to-save-some-honour/articleshow/11843085.cms

"2. from the top' are not my words but the ips officer who arrested him, and no not the nia officer but the ips officer who arrested him is serving punishment posting where is he now can you tell. check it you will know"

---Sire, in spite futile Search neither Google or Bing Search Engine could bring any such result. I think with your heavenly touch your highness should generate and produce any viable link ? By the way, Sire, is not NIA officers are made up form Indian Police Service ? Or they are some different origin may be from Mars ?

"3. summary dismissal is a very light punishment for such an act by davinder singh go check shahbeg singh he played pivotal role in 1971 war but later actions were of such nature that army considering his work let him off lightly with summary dismissal, he was one of the last terrorist to be killed in akal takht in 1984"

---- Sire, I think Your Highness do not know how to read ? The DSP was dismissed while in NIA's custody. And If Sire, has any doubt whatsoever he can file an RTI under Rule 6 of RTI Act 2005.

......Continued

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

"4. that he was dismissed for his 1990s act is indication enough he is touch me not, if any one raises the issue of 2 terrorists, he will bring out can of worms ������ this is indication enough he is getting out lightly ������

5. any guess why the cars were seized only in 2023 ������"

--- Sire, of course, there is that doubt/conviction, why that tainted person rehabilitated in SOG in 1997, however, at that time there was Dr. Farooq Abdullah's Government in Jammu and Kashmir, while Late Sri IK Gujral under United Front Government. And again if His Highness is interested he can either take help of legal remembrance cell to lodge a PIL in Supreme Court for free . The cars were seized in 2023 by the NIA after his arrest and interrogation in 2020. Sire, I think memory of Your Highness is failing much due to supposed old age.

"6 you yourself say 'after Delhi Police miraculously failed to file the Charge Sheet in stipulated 90 days' 😃😃😃 is it not a indication of too much kaali daal with lots of fish in it 😃😃😃 and who instructed delhi police not to oppose bail?? didn't anyone tell you that delhi police refused to oppose brijbhushan singh bail despite claiming that his crimes were of serious nature 😃😃😃 delhi police works under whose direction please tell me 😃😃😃


-----Learned Sire, Again my non -allegiance to any school of thought, makes me to classify and put all Ruling Clans including that of Brij Bhushan Singh and Kanhaiya Kumar in the same category i.e. Ruling Elites. Hope you have my answer. Now, regarding the role of the Delhi Police, it is the consecutive failure or ineptitude Ness of concerned Ministry. if His Highness is interested he can either take help of legal remembrance cell to lodge a PIL in Supreme Court for free.

"7. the attack on jnu in 2019 was not just orchestrated by delhi police, enough video exists where delhi police can be seen guiding abvp students into jnu campus and even guiding them out, I clearly remember a cop said 'ekk line mein jaiye', any guess where are komal sharma (who held a large chopper and threatened a jnu girl with acid) and akshat awasthi (who had a spiked hockey stick) the ring leaders of jnu attack, anything has happened on that case 😃😃😃 I am betting 1 paise nothing will haopen to those bastands"

----Bingo, Sir, have not you surely witnessed the same in any other state? my non -allegiance to any school of thought, makes me to classify and put all Politicking Clans including that of ABVP and SFI in the same category i.e. Ruling Elites. if His Highness is interested he can either take help of legal remembrance cell to lodge a PIL in Supreme Court for free, for his allegation against the role of Delhi Police.

-----Continued

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

"8. actually I wanted to say his family has disappeared btw plastic surgery course anywhere is costly 😃😃😃 where are they now ?

9. ever heard of iit prof (retd) vk tripathi, connect with him on twitter he will tell you what has been going wrong in India since 2014"

-----Sire, can you bestow me with the link, since both Google and Bing Gave up after futile search about possible 'plastic surgery' of the family of Ex-DSP Singh. For whereabouts of the Family Your Highness can apply U/S Rule 6(3) of RTI Act 2005.

--- Sire, since I have not owe allegiance to any school of thought hence, I categorise both Professor Tripathi and Sanjay Dixit in same grouping that is 'group for zero interest'.

"10. kindly check the latest confrontation between manipur police (meitei) and capfs, find out why it happened 😃😃😃 possibly then you will come out of your well from where you make a lot of noise 😃😃😃"

------ Sire, much before all your croaking/ribbit came out of the well where do you reside after your descend in the earth from planet mars, in my previous comment in previous threads here in this Blog, I have exclaimed my anguish of utter silence of the Prime Minister against the mindless Tribalism going in Manipur. There are at least 6 video links have been posted for every body's consumption. Since, Your Highness can not listen or understand the utterance made in those vidoes, then Sire, fault may belies in physical ability of the listeners, And the recent incident calls for only solution that is President's Rule in Manipur.

সুমন্ত নাগ you really need to get out of your well 😃😃😃

----Sire, I am beside the ocean of truth and outside of the deep well and enjoying your croaking and ribbit from that well, but alas there is no way to retrieve or rescue your highness from the well, since, that well is bottomless.

Thousand Salutes and bow before your ........

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,

1) Looks like Turkey has developed a new mini cruise missile (the Kemankes) which is a jet powered loitering munition with a 200 km + range that goes on the TB2 bayraktar UAV. Also appears Pak is procuring this. Does this give Pak an advantage vis a vis AD systems like that S-400 ? Or are SHORADS (incl. radar cued AD guns) enough totackle this threat ?

2) Are the Newspace ALFA drones going to be inducted in the near future ?

3) Any Indian equivalents to the Kemankes ?

Satyaki

DAshu said...

Sir, it looks like, whatever, topic you complain or whine about gets corrected immediately. Don't you think you should taunt more frequently.

https://www.wionews.com/india-news/direct-cairo-delhi-flight-launched-after-pm-modis-egypt-visit-622607


On a lighter note all indications suggest a continued agony and desperation for a certain idrw fellow till 2030 at least.

joydeep ghosh said...

@sumant continue with your itcell whatsappuniversity forwards ke aadhaar pe knowledge

thanks
joydeep ghosh

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joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/at-par-with-leopard-mbt-india-starts-pitching-its-hunter-killer/

is the situation that serious

will arjun tank meet same fate as insas

it is optimized fr desert areas, so can we use it in cold desert areas of ladakh, its worth a try, since you have sad china is bri nging in ever heavier tanks into the zone

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

@Joydeep Ghosh, Your Highness has shown your class, Neutrality is unfathomable to cretins like you, those who are infected with terminal stupidity and boasts biased concocted viewpoint whatever it may be.

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

i had repeatedly said heavy western tanks won't be able to perform in #ukraine now news is leopard 2 tanks have been withdrawn from service

also I had repeatedly said mig 29 will continue to service with IAF till 2040 now SLEP is to be carried out by IAF to ensure that the jets stay in service with IAF till 2037 atleast

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

Harsh said...

Prasun sir,
1) Is the barak-8 on Indian navy ships able to shoot down the C-401 anti ship hypersonic missiles on board the tughril class?

2) Is the Ak630 CIWS able to destroy unmanned surface vessels like the ones Ukraine is using to damage Russian ships?

3) What other weapons can the Indian navy use to destroy such surface drones?

4) Does Indian navy have any defence against YJ-21 hypersonic missiles that China has?

5) How many Hammer missiles has the IAF bought?

Vin said...

Hi Prasun
1. What's the aircraft to pilot ratio in the IAF
2. With the acquisition of the 4th gen fighters so delayed, wouldn't it be a better option to go for 5th gen fighters from US even if it's a downgraded version with export restrictions
Thanks for your time
Vin

Millard Keyes said...

We wait and wait for China and Pakistan to disintegrate but looks like that wish is almost the same as winning a lottery - zip! With China allowed to develop with greedy capitalist West's investments, they command a tremendous financial clout and military technical advantage which prop up Pakistan every step of the way. On top of that whilst India spends years deliberating and finally producing something, with China and now Turkey under the wretched President, who act on steroids and can supply stuff off the shelf in a whisker. Then you got the US looking after its own interest and with the influence all over the world can use India and Pakistan as two dogs to pull its sleigh. Meanwhile, China is laughing all the way because now they have Russia by their balls, the US by the short and curly, they are once again luring India into "advanced tech" so Pakistan takes the bait of "security" guarantee and follows, and with ISI and corrupt politicians doing the dirty work- communal violence, religious unrest and political divide and rule - all making sure China continues its global expansionist policy successfully.

joydeep ghosh said...

@sumant the reason why I say you continue with your itcell whatsappuniversity forwards ke aadhaar pe knowledge and keep living in fools paradise alternate reality bcoz no matter what the egotistical narendra modi who swears by double engine will never impose 356 in Manipur as that crashes so called joomla of double engine ki sarkar 😁

thanks
joydeep ghosh

joydeep ghosh said...

@millard keyes

may be you are correct but one thing that you may have missed is that today many Chinese immigrants have illegally entered into south east russia and in particular the areas near Russia china border and if Russia is not careful china may do a salary slicing and capture the areas just like it is doing in india

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

সুমন্ত নাগ said...


"bcoz no matter what the egotistical narendra modi who swears by double engine will never impose 356 in Manipur as that crashes so called joomla of double engine ki sarkar "

------Uninterested about Full Bloomed Love of Your Highness for the Political Identity/Ideology of the Ruling dispensation of India, I am to state that Since, I am not the advisor of the Prime Minister of India, nor my job even distantly connected with the same, or Government of India is not legally bound to me, henceforth such a radical thought provoking expression, same, in response of only an opinion expressed from my end, is best laughable and ignorable.

"the reason why I say you continue with your itcell whatsappuniversity forwards ke aadhaar pe knowledge and keep living in fools paradise alternate reality "

----@Joydeep Ghosh Sire, I am first astounded, then amused, finally bemused after beknown of such a heavenly unheard phrase 'itcell whatsappuniversity forwards ke aadhaar pe knowledge' from your croaked utterance, which has yet to be made into the oxford/collins/merriam-webster/Harper dictionary as a single word. As not only any of my above three comments about your highness but thousands of such comments can never end describe you sufficiently, as clunk-ness of Your Highness is unfathomable. As demented your comments are getting, with your facial expression like "😁" (showing all 32 sets of teeth), more I feel sorry for Your Highness, as seems mental stability of Your Highness has lost to gutter and causing trouble with all your near and dear ones, as such if any of your near ones are visiting the blog, and after thorough search the link of will be useful for your further treatment to cure the phycological disorder you are suffering most as hereinunder:

https://pavlovinstitute.org/ (The Psychiatry (Mental Health) branch of the Pavlov Institute, The near one of Your Highness may contact pavlovinstitute.mentalhealth@gmail.com for check up of Your Highness).

As such feeling terribly sad for such a Grevious condition of Mental Health of Your Highness, I, with a heavy heart henceforth, have decided to Ignore all your response which comes inform of Gibberish. Wish speedy recovery of Your Highness. ..

joydeep ghosh said...

@sumant

enjoy this best suits you 😁👇
https://images.app.goo.gl/6L1papC2WRT9Dzgf9

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

Abs said...

@Prasunda
This is funny, isn't it?
CONGI bootlicker cum serial plagiarizer is handing out certificates to others, blissfully unaware of the fact that the hoods of his e-NREGA coolie day job was lifted long back when he decided to make his Twitter profile public.

I would welcome everyone here to peruse the contents and the mindless pamphleteering of CONGI SM handles the chap does as part of his daily bread and butter through the public handle https://twitter.com/joydeepghosh

Sadly, he could not remain content in SM and had to bring his propagandizing amidst us. The views espoused are so conspiratorial that they don't even deserve any serious engagement and I say this with all due respect at Sumanta Nag Babu.

Prasunda should lead the way in censoring any political posts from the concerned person going forth. We come here to discuss national security and certainly did not sign up for surreptitious feeding of cheap INC disinformation campaigns. Perhaps, the troll got encouraged due to the numerous anti-NDA government criticisms made in the comments section of this blog. But it is for us to make amends and do the right thing now. We want this to be a good space and not succumb to negativity.

Regards,
Abs

Sujit said...

This man joydeep ghosh is a piddi..as such it has been proven time and again that such personalities are actually mentally unstable, have a inclination to destroy anything that is positive and seriously anti incumbency...chela banne ka yahi sabse bada qualification h..but just like his master pappu dimwit these people are also in the same category

Ravi_N said...

What is your feedback on this person's tweets?
https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1688441501624520705

This means PLA is technologically super advanced than India, the US, Japan, and other countries in Asia.
How can India counter this tech?

Thanks,
Ravi

joydeep ghosh said...

@abs

brother atleast I like prasun da got balls to express my views and ideas under my name and pic unlike you who is talking behind a cloak of secrecy using fake name and pic

and sorry for your disappointment its a sm profile not my life you know zilch nothing about it and yes I call spade a spade. what is wrong is always wrong who so ever has done it.

ciao
Joydeep ghosh

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Susan said...

Prasun Da

Looks like DRDO or Indian private defence companies need to develop drone,loitering munition jammer device in Tanks and IFVs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEx9OtOeqQ0

Anonymous said...

Sir,

Why unwanted debate going on in this blog?

Regards
Dhanu

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

https://youtu.be/L_KG-ufcHYs, It seems that the glove control technology for controlling quad drone was available at least 4 years ago, and that seems to have been improved upon.

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da, let me offer my apologies for continuance of the replies which culminated into such unwanted scenario, in your informative blog. I should have stopped where it should have been, by strictly following the code : ' Never argue with an Idiot or an entity who clearly has disregard for logic and common sense'. May be my physical illness has got over my nature of replies to the user handle concerned , who should have been ignored from the outset where it should have been suited most.


সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da, got quite disheartened by the way of functionality of DRDO regarding the Engine Developments as well as in quantam computing and other areas.

Regarding production of only one prototype of 155mm/52-cal MGS what is the reason behind such a sluggish rate of development, while both of the Adversery of Indian Army have already inducted or under process of induction of such MGS in their arsenal ? Can a proven system like CAESAR be acquired off the self as a Stop Gap measure ?

Please share your views.

Thanks in advance.

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Abs, thanks for your response. Yes, I should have stopped, where It suited most. Personally, I am zero Interested in Politics, though this is Prasun Da's blog and he is the authority as the owner of the blog, however, I feel discussion of Political views here in this blog may be done away with.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: Here is the tweet.

https://twitter.com/CMDBDL/status/1686730914045571072

Akash-1S Seeker: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1eEpRBwGe0w/XOw0MncBC1I/AAAAAAAARR8/wXw9BV4Kil85MCkyXP6ri2HBuOxuu5ZrACLcBGAs/s1600/RCI-1.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A4TwzgaXIz4/YA9t5CYwXZI/AAAAAAAAVJ8/HbVdaiUnmbsmMOEJjkLRDIskly4jtRUJwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/Kalyani%2BGroup-developed%2BNetra%2BKu-band%2BRF%2Bseeker-4.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2W7t-oesXlc/YA9t-I27wjI/AAAAAAAAVKA/k2MLYPLOoSkT7hTT1s2DAb3Zj1coEzquwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1363/Kalyani%2BGroup-developed%2BNetra%2BKu-band%2BRF%2Bseeker-3.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3MpM9C6grhc/YA9uHyiP5NI/AAAAAAAAVKE/tjx03YHvJHwIByKPHJnF2c504vmZqF5IwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Kalyani%2BGroup-developed%2BNetra%2BKu-band%2BRF%2Bseeker-2.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JU6u9jKfjBE/YA9uJWeE4aI/AAAAAAAAVKM/f0VucerhKgM9uh_sjirFT8_sGhXFuRHRwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1539/Kalyani%2BGroup-developed%2BNetra%2BKu-band%2BRF%2Bseeker-1.jpg

Both BDL & Kalyani have been contracted to produce the seeker for Akash-NG. The seeker was developed by RCI Hyderabad & its slide is in the Aero India 2023 thred.

VSHORADS components are being produced by ADANI Defnce & Aerospace as shown in a slide in the Aero India 2023 thread. Low-rate production has been initiated for further prototype test-firings. Almost all of NORINCO-built artillery rounds have been developed with DENEL Group’s assistance.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: LoLz! You are missing the woods for the trees. How can policing be done in 2023 when the legislaion for it is the 1867 Police Act? I had explained this mis-match several times before. That’s why even the 950 Constitution is not in sync with the Indian law-enforcement machinery’s SOPs. It is all qute common-sensical, not rocket science. Consequently, all govts—past & present—are to be held accountable for the dysfunctional state of affairs. As for CISMOA, Pakistan had inked it WAY BEFORE India in 2005. The latest signing is just a RENEWAL of the earlier agreement. Regarding MiG-29 SLEP, the rport you are drawing inspiration from is FAKE NEWS & three figures explain it all: MiG-29UPG upgrade began in 2014; the TTSL of the RD-33-3 turbofan’s TTSL is 4,000 hours; & each MiG-29UPG logs only 120 flight-hours every year. So, if you do the math, you will easily obtain the figure of the MiG-29UPG’s remaining service-life.

To SATYAKI: 1) Loitering PGMs cannot undertake terrain-hugging flight-profiles & are therefore clearly visible to ground-based air-defence networks. And as I had stated several times before, such UAV/PGM combinations are used within uncontested airspaces, i.e. Turkey will employ them against Kurdish separatists in northern Syria & northwestern Iraq, while Pakistan will use them inside Afghanistan. 2) Unlikely, because of this:

Sameer Joshi, founder of Bengaluru-based NewSpace Research and Technologies, a supplier of small drones for India's military, said 70% of goods in the supply chain were made in China. "So if I talk to, let's say, a Polish guy, he still has his components which are coming via China," he said. Switching to a non-Chinese pipeline pushed up costs dramatically, Joshi said, adding that some manufacturers were still importing material from China but would "white-label it, and kind of keep the costs within that frame".

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/india-bars-makers-military-drones-using-chinese-parts-2023-08-08/

3) India does not require such PGMs because India’s battlefields are unique & therefore require indigenous solutions. For example, back in 1999, IAF MiG-23BNs had to attain an altitude of 44,000 feet ASL before commencing the bombing run & then had to level off at 25,000 feet ASL for avoiding Pakistani MANPADS—something the MiG-23BN was never designed for.

To HARSH: 1) Yes. 2) Yes. 3) Nothing else is reqd. 4) Barak-8. 5) More than 400.

To VIN: 1) About 1:7. 2) Stick to the Rafale M-MRCA for the MRFA reqmt as well.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ABS & SUMANTA NAG: Yes, indeed there Is the need to focus on far more interesting matters, like these:

How China’s PLARF & PLASSF were compromised by espionage operations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGsFXZZ2kFs&t=5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDF8yDSLHJY&t=30s

Detailed PLARF ORBAT out in the open due to Western espionage:

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/CASI/documents/Research/PLARF/2022-10-24%20PLARF%20Organization.pdf

But this is far more damaging:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/north-korean-hackers-breached-top-russian-missile-maker-2023-08-07/

https://www.sentinelone.com/labs/comrades-in-arms-north-korea-compromises-sanctioned-russian-missile-engineering-company/

Looks like the hacking took place in a mode similar to what had happened to the SOLAR Group/Economic Explosives.

Splendid assessment of the current state of Russia-Ukraine war:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSrdnGwtM-4

AMIT BISWAS said...

This north korea hacking russia could be a false flag operations

Vin said...

1. Wouldnt the 1:7 ratio would mean a lot of flying hrs being utilized or.less practice.
Or is it in the hope that we would be furnished with fighters in an emergency by friendly countries.

2. Will the rafales be able to handle the upcoming versions of j20s as well.

Soumya Ray said...

Hello Prasun

I hope that you are doing well. I would bring to your notice something that appeared here: https://thediplomat.com/2023/08/chinas-j-20-gets-another-upgrade/

The article claims that WS-15 engine will feature a thrust to weight ratio of between 10 to 11. WS-15 engines flown on the J-20 prototype 2052. WS-15 features supercruise, more electrical power generation, better thermal management properties, thrust vectoring nozzles, and provide much greater long-term growth potential and redundancy. The new variant of J-20 was initially dubbed the J-20B. The enhancements of the J-20A are so significant that it may in the future contend as a “5.5th” generation. The annual J-20 production rate may approach 100 aircraft per year by the end of 2023, and comfortably meet 100 per year in 2024. The number of J-20s that have been produced is estimated to be anywhere between 200 to 250 aircrafts. J-20 has attained a relatively mature operational capability.


It comes in direct conflict with a report probably from CSIS about PRC-CCP aero-engine capabilities sometime back. Is this a yellow journalism or disinformation or imagination gone wild or somethingelse?

One thing that keeps frequently coming up in Twitter-X & elsewhere also, is the "SERIAL NUMBER EXAMINATION" of aircraft rudder to find the total number of aircrafts in service. Is this a reliable method in case of PLAAF? https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/11/08/display-at-zhuhai-airshow-reveals-info-on-chinas-j-20-j-16-inventory/

Sidharth said...

Prasun da

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/defence-ministry-to-replace-microsoft-os-with-maya/article67172875.ece

Locally developed OS as claimed or Linux Mint 13 "Maya" (https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=115)

The Sanatani Bhartiya said...

Prasun
What is this radar?
https://swarajyamag.com/defence/explained-the-indian-navy-new-game-changing-radar

Santosh said...

Hi prasun Da
I said that PGM and loitering ammunition cannot be used in contested airspace But
It can be used by Pakistan to saturate air defence system,it can be low cost solution,
If loitering ammunition cannot be used in contested air space then how ukraine is using it against Russia
2) Sir u said that LCA Tejas MK1A will not have AESA based jammer, but Harsh Vardhan thakur test pilot in HAL has confirmed that it will be AESA based
So please throw some light on DRDO based jamming pod

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AMIT BISWAS: China has for several decades been using North Korean citizens seeking employment in Russia’s Far East as spies. Hence, this latest disclosure is nothing new.

T VIN: 1) It translates into less flying on the MiG-29UPGs €& Su-30MKIs, both of which can log in only 120 flght-hours every year. Other combat aircraft of the IAF don’t have this limitation & can easily log in 25flight-hours per month. 2) Of course, effortlessly.

To SOUMYA RAY: That is a highly speculative news-report replete with ‘could’. China is notorious for falsifying aircraft registration nos. For instance, while the PLAN has only 24 J-15s, the registration nos of the J-15 have exceeded 86! Same goes for the PLAAF, which recently began absorbing all PLAN shore-based combat aircraft assets into its fleet inventory:

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/CASI/documents/Research/PLAN_Aviation/2023-07-31%20PLAN%20Aviation%20Reorg%202023%20Clean.pdf

To THEINDIAN: I had already uploaded the slide in the Aero India 2023 thread & here it is again:

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiove8QbMUvHjKL_cOJLMS7b-o17gAzImkEJXJwRGSsjWt9VKOJhVheQ1EQCylFBeasTnnovYZxlKI-9hHO2hFps4Li0PnT5sgBrwLaQ7E05elkzTDVKDs38Pc81i_mWl0jzF36XqsPPRA6Jga4mGXbsOohn88HXhqjkRPkzRNre_Oz_MzN01-pKaR2bog/s3248/AMP.jpg

As to what it will be for, here’s what I had stated here:

https://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2023/05/us-indopacoms-integrated-deterrence.html

“However, it is highly likely that in the event of military hostilities between the US and China due to a Chinese military invasion of Taiwan, the naval enclave of the ICTP at Galathea Bay could will be at the receiving end of the PLARF’s DF-27 IRBMs carrying hypersonic glide-vehicles (HGV). The only defence against such a threat then will be either the Indian Navy’s projected NG-DDGs armed with endo-atmospheric LR-SAM interceptors optimised for ballistic missile defence (BMD), or land-based AAD interceptor missiles.”

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SANTOSH: No, that is not possible since the frontage of the India-Pakistan & China-India battlefields will be highly limited in the Chhamb-Sialkot sector & in eastern Ladakh & Sikkim/Arunachal Pradesh, unlike the 2,000km + flat terrain frontage in Ukraine. That’s why many of the events in Ukraine hold no lessons for India’s armed forces. 2) Then you must ask him to produce photos of such a jammer pod & also ask him what AESA-based jammers ar used for. BTW even soe of the Uttam AESA-MMR’s & EL/M-2052 AESA-MMR’s T/R modules can be used for directional jamming of conventional airborne MMRs. DARE-developed jamming pod is a high-band jammer first shown at Aero India 2017:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tiHLV7Uob_4/WKMXpYMKC2I/AAAAAAAAMXo/TRadnQxstk093RZlCg-poOmMH_QMtOAxgCLcB/s1600/DARE-developed%2BEW%2BPod.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qsq6XKWylA0/XK0onTUN1II/AAAAAAAAREs/pNIj9Y-PibYpZd3HRbv-yoiQKH3-S6eGwCLcBGAs/s1600/D-29%2BEW%2BSuite%2BComponent-4.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xLScRL4HbMw/WKMYIn4SGaI/AAAAAAAAMXs/qiT1LNIECp8K0xcPRSaKx4Ka5Uoqsw09QCLcB/s1600/DARE-developed%2BInternal%2BASPJ.jpg

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

RAFAEL's BNET-AR combined SDR/IFF transponder on IAF MiG-21 Bison:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3Bti0aakAA-yz2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0Gq1F46ibzE/XNy0nWrlTZI/AAAAAAAAROM/5TGdipUFLdQiRl7Lhb_nEH2Pd5BW_BBGQCLcBGAs/s1600/RAFAEL%2527s%2BBNET-AR%2BSDR.jpg

Northie said...

Sir... In an earlier post several months ago you said BNET combines 3 features SDR, IFF & Datalink.

But here you didn't mention data link?

Soumya Ray said...

Dear Prasun

1. "China is notorious for falsifying aircraft registration nos." How do they falsify tail numbers - frequently changing then or inconsistent numbering to give an impression of enlarged fleet size?
2. Is INS Anvesh a TD vessel?
3. The aerodynamic shape of upper stage of Iskander & Hyunmoo tactical BMs is different from Pralay BMs? Any particular reason?
4. Is the RF antenna near the before the vertical stabilizer for BNet SDR?
5. The 6m radar by Astra Microwave - is a rotating AESA or Fixed panel?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

Sir,

https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-insight/story/why-are-three-former-indian-service-chiefs-attending-a-security-conference-in-taipei-2418222-2023-08-08


Regards
Dhanu G.

Abs said...

@Prasunda

I hope the Indian Armed Forces and Military strategists are able to make good use of the fruits of such espionage attempts as the ones you have shared above.

I had a question for you though, do you think our forces are over-rated when it comes to long term vision and strategy? They showed no appreciation, as per most information available in the public domain, of the fact that a rising China would not hold back on their expansionist aims and could very plausibly seek to alter the boundary with us. Instead, they seemed to have a Pak hangover for well into the 2010s. I am talking of a consensus on China arriving at in the relatively tranquil 2000s itself. The necessary reorientation of the forces for a collusive Pak-China threat scenario was done just a few years back when push came to shove following the events throughout the past decade. And considering the attention span that Pakistan has been given by the security establishment, we have very little to show- Not even a flattening of the LoC has been achieved. It is alarming as it is shocking.
The IAF is well short of 20 squadrons imho and they can only be attributed to lack of strategic foresight. What otherwise, should explain the pathetic number of surface combatants such as DDGs and FFGs for the Indian Navy especially given the fact that India is bound to emerge and remain as the third largest economy with the size comfortably at 10 Trillion USD and beyond, it is perplexing that they never envisioned a larger fleet size.

I do realise the shortcomings of the civillian administration, however as the major component of strategic military thought, it was upon the armed forces to sell the idea to the government. None of which was done, at least as successfully. I do realise that the integration of armed forces into various aspects of strategic admin cum decision making was never given the push it deserved except only perhaps, since 2014.

What are your views?

@Sumanta Nag Babu
I made a typo earlier, it should have been "with all due respect to Sumanta Nag Babu".

I appreciate your comments. Frankly, I don't mind any political debate. I had to rear my voice against outlandish propaganda. Sample the blame 'hindutva' had received, at a philosophical level, for the events in Manipur. It doesn't even pass the basic smell taste. Hindutva afterall, right or wrong, seeks to deemphasize tribalistic and caste based affinities towards a more uniform Hindu identity. The events at Manipur on the other hand are purely ugly tribalism. Secondly, at a more political level, it is the UPA, now renamed I.N.D.I.A., that has sought to make the issues a Hindu-Christian thingy, while explicitly taking sides of the 'Christian' side. But, hey, who cares for basic commonsense? Since, supreme leader of the high command, the perennial 'young man', has decided to give it a communal basing, our useful idiot will have to tag along. And the whole thing is funny if not ironic, given the situation at large is a result of years long 'migration and infiltration' yojana that was implemented by leaderji's party and affiliates. If 'normalcy' in Kashmir took decades and is still an active problem, I don't see why Manipur or for that matter the whole of North East (yes they are all plagued) will be different.

Here is an excellent piece by https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66161535 clearly articulates how the present day issue is a result of war on illicit poppy farming and mindless infiltration and migration from neighbouring Myanmar and states.

Anyhow, I don't wish to start with another debate so I will stop right now and wish you good.

Regards,
Abs

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Abs, Good to have your Views, Yes, liking and disliking are the personal choice, and its human nature to have its own choice of hobbies.

Checked your link, you can check the video of the British Professor which I have posted months ago:


'MANIPUR | An Escalating Ethnic Conflict'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbT39tXCNgw


I agree and endorse your apt decision for put on end to prevent any untoward situation.

Wishing you best.

Sumanta


just_curious said...

Prasun,

1- interesting video which explains why Rafale was chosen by IN. Surprisingly it is mentioned in the video that it was becasue it fits more eaisly in vikrant's lift is what clinched the deal for rafale. Rafale for now is able to carry only 1 antiship missile on its centre line pylon. Assume it can be configured to carry 2/4 more on its inboard & mid pylons, pls confirm
2 - what is this about ?https://idrw.org/lrashm-drdo-to-test-new-anti-ship-missile-soon/ is it the agni prime or Shaurya's ship based version ?
3 - what is the status of ITCM -Nirbhay missile

joydeep ghosh said...

@prasun da

why cant india have a common chain gun for IA, IAF, IN like Mk44 Bushmaster II, the west is opting for such thingsd

your view

thanks
Joydeep ghosh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To NORTHIE: SDRs & IFF transponders are LRUs, while data-linking is just another mode of operation using SDR. That’s why ELBIT’s E-Lynx vehicular SDRs can be used for data-linking, as I had explained recently in a previous thread.

To SOUMYA RAY: 1) How? I had already answered that in the past, i.e. re-painting of airframe & then Twitter accounts like this spreading rumours:

https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

2) Yes. But only for R & D. 3) Because they’re short-range SS-BSMs. Pralay is a longer-range SS-BSM. 4) Yes. 5) Such AAAUs are of the fixed-type.

To DHANU G: Here is the video of the seminar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z_qDOICjPA&t=5s

To ABS: It is not the fault of th armed forces, since they are subservient to civilian decision-makers & hence it is the latter that is to be held responsible for not providing strategic visioning vectors. For example, have you ever seen the PM or RM visiting the command-n-control rooms of any military exercise or a humanitarian disaster-response operation?

Regarding Manipur, the reasons for the on-going ethnic conflict are deep-rooted & all of them are beautifully explained here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG0aHQzevwM&t=11s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9zR9BCCP78

Wilful Political Interference in Law-Enforcement Efforts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0rZN3dQ51w&t=175s

Chins of Myanmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNxl-gNlKIE&t=243s

I’m sure you must have been as much distressed as I was by the recent needless cockfights fought in Parliament on the Manipur issue. This only shows a total lack of alacrity among India’s ‘neta’ communities. Contrast this with the actions of French parliamentarians who got together within 24 hours of the ISIS terror-attacks in France & within 48 hours enacted legislations reqd for combatting such thteats!

On another note, the following totally exposes the contempt expressed by the US towards Pakistan:

https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) Rafale M-MRCA can carry 3 ASCMs, if reqd. 2) It is the NASM-MR. Warship-launched & submarine-lauinched variants of the ITCM are mant for land-attack, like the IN’s existing Novator 3M-14E Klub subsonic cruise missile. 3) More test-firings are reqd to establish the reliability of the GTRE-developed Manik STFE.

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: Elementary: different end-users have different performance parameters for range & penetration effectiveness. For air-defence, 35mm will suffice, whereas for ICVs 57mm is the gold-standard now.

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/improper-engine-choice-planning-delayed-intermediate-jet-trainer-projectcag-101691692475652.html

Anonymous said...

Sir, Kalyani is exporting its 155/39 MGS , Will IA ever buy it ? (Atleast mountain ops)

Regards
Venky

Vin said...

Hi Prasun
How long will French take to deliver the Rafales if it is ordered. They already seem to have a huge backlog and as you say it's foolish to have a second Production line for a 150 of them in India . Will the French consolidate other orders for Production and start a new line in India.
Thanks
Vin

Harsh said...

Prasun sir,
1. If the ak-630 is enough for defending a ship against USVs, why are the Russians unable to do it?
Shouldn't we invest in ship launched mini missiles like ship launched hellfire that US uses?

2. I'm surprised you said the LRSAM is enough to defeat the hypersonic Yj-21. Isn't the barak-8 LRSAM optimised for us against sea skimming supersonic cruise missiles?

3. How do you see the Ukraine war progressing? Is the much vaunted Ukraine counter offensive failing?

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1- the article on lrashm says its range will be 1500 km whereas NASM-MR's range is touted to be 10th of it -@150km.
2 - There is a talk of Arjun Mk2 & Mk3.. what will be Mk3 like?-https://idrw.org/cvrde-has-plans-for-arjun-mark-ii-and-mark-iii/ ........fake news?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIN: Deliveries will start 36 months after contract signature. Thered are no huge backlogs since all the export orders are in double digits only: Croatia (12), Egypt (54), France (192), Greece (24), India (36 + 26), Indonesia (42), Qatar (36), UAE (80). Contrast this with global F-16 orders since the early 1980s for 4,000 + of them, due to which final-assembly lines had to be established abroad in Belgium, Egypt, Holland, Japan, South Korea & Turkey. In India, despite Su-30MKI licenced-production having begun in 2004, even today there are several thousand components still awaiting indigenisation! And given the limited numbers of Rafales reqd by the IAF (114 under the MRFA project), the cost of setting up even a final-assembly line for them in India will jack up the acquisition costs of each such assembled Rafale by 4 times!!! Land will have to be bought for setting up such a facility, new jigs & toolings will have to be bought, a whole pool of highly-skilled workforce will have to be trained. All this will consume both funds & time of the kind India does not possess. Above all else, history has proven that licence-assembling/licence-producing combat aircraft in India both during & after the Cold War has only led to the creation of DPSUs that now cannot be privatised, thereby posing a heavy financial burden on the national exchequer. It would have been far better had foreign-origin combat aircraft been imported off-the-shelf & the money saved should have been invested in developing homegrown fixed-wing combat aircraft & helicopters.

To HARSH: 1) Because the Russian Navy was caught napping in Crimea, i.e. it never expected such an attack to take place & hence the AK-630M CIWS stations were neither activated nor manned, just like what had happened to the Israeli Navy’s Barak-1-armed corvette in 2006 when it was struck by a C-802 ASCM fired by Hezbollah off Beirut. 2) LoLz! A simple glance at the ship-launched YJ-21E will reveal that it isn’t hypersonic at all. Only its air-launched variant is hypersonic & it can be interceptd by the S-400 SAMs. Supersonic sea-skimming ASCMs don’t exist. All supersonic ASCMs cruise at medium altiudes right up to impact. 3) This is how I see the war progressing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSrdnGwtM-4&t=8s

How Russia is Dodging Sanctions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKU5maYuGQ

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) Like the SMART, any such long-range LRAShM will be just a technology demonstrator vehicle, unless an entire regional constellation of about 150 low-Earth orbiting SAR-equipped mini-satellites is available for target acquisition. Presently, only the US has such a capacity due to which missiles like LRASM & Tactical Tomahawk Block-VA have on-board data-links that allow them to switch targets while in flight. Both missiles can loiter for hours and change course instantly on command. China too is trying to develop a similar capacity for its YJ-21 BSMs & DF-27 IRBMs & here is what it has done so far:

https://news.usni.org/2021/11/07/china-builds-missile-targets-shaped-like-u-s-aircraft-carrier-destroyers-in-remote-desert#:~:text=It's%20not%20the%20first%20time,times%20and%20is%20frequently%20repaired.

https://news.usni.org/2021/11/09/second-u-s-aircraft-carrier-missile-target-spotted-in-chinese-desert

2) Arjun Mk.3 will be part of the the FRCV family.

To VENKY: The IA will go for the 155mm/52-cal MGS built by Kalyani.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

MiG-29UPGs Re-Located from Adampur AFS to Avantipora AFS in J & K UT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxckAeqrGi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUDNR-9B5dY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg2RRqdWG7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc79xtnaTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fryqFluiNn8

IA's EX Desert Strike 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1q7VIwta2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roYAVUtrUHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6rZMgBh7fQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A09g1g5CgAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvkn8brAung

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

First the EU and USA provided all the background for China to become the supply chain for the world. Now they are isolating, which they are finding difficult. Do you think that US will be successful in posing sanctions on China on semiconductor etc.?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Italy's Leonardo Group, along with BHEL, is exploring new business areas:

https://www.bhel.com/sites/default/files/EoI%20for%20Technology%20tie-up%20%28with%20IPR%29-Collaboration%20for%20joint%20development%20of%2030%20mm%20Naval%20Surface%20Gun%20for%20Indian%20Navy.pdf

https://electronics.leonardo.com/documents/16277707/18421316/MARLIN+30_new.pdf?t=1618842731728

https://www.bhel.com/sites/default/files/EoI%20for%20Air%20Defence%20Gun_Ext_01-12-2021.pdf

https://electronics.leonardo.com/documents/16277707/18367594/Marlin+40.pdf?t=1671533978101

https://electronics.leonardo.com/documents/16277707/18395518/NA30S_MK2_LQ_mm08444_.pdf?t=1633694024304

just_curious said...

Prasun,

1- BHEL-Leonardo possible tieup--why 30/40 mm guns & not 127 MM main gun & vulcun ammo from leonardo? or any component reqd for 5th gen AMCA. afterall they mfg a lot of components for f35, they are also very good in communications, electronic warfare- eg brightcloud-disposable countermeasures etc.D29 onboard mig 29's are classic eg
2- dragging the lrashm discussion a bit, it looks like there exists a thought process for sats --https://idrw.org/in-space-may-be-looking-at-130-satellites-but-need-more-than-that-experts/

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da,

A) In your reply to Venky you have mentioned that Indian Army would go for 155mm/52-cal Mounted Gun System built by Kalyani. Will it be Truck mounted version of Kalyani developed MAG-ER ? As you have mentioned that only 1 Prototype of 155mm/52-cal MGS co-developed by Kalyani Group & BEML, has been produced

https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2022/october/India_unveils_new_MGS_155mm_8x8_truck-mounted_artillery_gun_system_925_001.jpg

While at least 6(Six) should have been manufactured for Field Testing Process.

what is the reason behind such a sluggish rate of development, while both of the Adversery of Indian Army have already inducted or under process of induction of such MGS in their arsenal ? Can a proven system like CAESAR be acquired off the self as a Stop Gap measure?

As this video stated that Sri Baba Kalyani expects to receive the order for 814 Mounted Gun System for the First Quarter of 2024.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_GovywXDRI

B) What's the possible timeline for beginning of Test firing of DRDO MPDMS ?

Please share your views. Thanks in Advance.



Vin said...

Hi Prasun
Thanks a lot for the reply. But based on the current Production rate of 24 a year and a planned 36 a year, it will take 5 years to just clear their current backlogs. So that's 6 years down the line before India starts receiving the new jets. So we are looking at a timeline of a minimum. 10 years before our aurforce plus naval requests are delivered. https://sldinfo.com/2023/03/dassault-report-march-2023/
Thanks once again In advance.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JUST_CURIOUS: 1) Perhaps in future. 2) Thought-process has existed since 2018. Here are 2 presentations by the IAF & IN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXw9wzXI09w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfSNT67mt90&t=43s

To SUMANTA NAG: A) Yes, the one that was shown at DEFEXPO-2022. B) The delay was due to the extended user-trials of the ATAGS, since the very same howitzer will be truck-mounted as the MGS solution. For the MGS, only mobility & platform stabilisation trials will be reqd, since the firing-trials have already been concluded for the ATAGS & hence unnecessary duplication of effort will be avoided. B) In the last quarter of this year, after ADANI Defence & Aerospace finishes supplying the initial batches of the VSHORADS missiles.

To VIN: The IN’s Rafale-M orders will be delivered between 36 months & 48 months of contract signature. If 114 Rafales are ordered by the IAF, then Dassault Aviation will be able to supply all of them within a 7-year timeframe.

Aditya said...

Sir,

1. What is the detection range of EO/IR payload on Heron MK2? i.e. At what distance it can detect Artillery guns?

2. The truck mounted ATAGS has a 1+ metre tail hanging out which seems unfoldable... won't it cause trouble in movement in mountains?