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Friday, September 30, 2016

Gloves Are Finally Off Against Those Irreconcilable, Compulsively Sulking Negativists!-1

Since last year, the Indian Army has been monitoring the following launch-pads used by the Pakistan Army to infiltrate its ‘Sarkari Jihadi’ detachments into Jammu & Kashmir: from Bhimber Gali towards Shopian and Anantnag; from Lipa towards Baramula; from Jura towards Sopore; from Athmuqam towards Kupwara; from Dudhnial, Tejian, Shardi, Rattapani and Kel towards Machhal; and from Saonar and Sardari towards Kupwara and Sopore. 
The base camps or sanctuaries for the ‘Sarkari Jihadi’ detachments are located further into the rear within PoK and Khyber Paktunkhwa, as shown in the slide below.
Finally, eight launch-pads spread over a linear 250km frontage and located at Lipa, Kel and Rattapani were chosen for targetted, surgical destruction lasting 7 hours (inclusive of cross ingress/egress) by the Indian Army’s 4 SF (Para) and 9 SF (Para) Battalions. 
(Above) Launch-Pads Destroyed at Athmuqam, Dudhnial, Chalhana and Leepa

However, for retaining the element of surprise and initiative, an elaborate deception plan involving the Indian Army (IA) and Indian Air Force (IAF) was required. For, to be factored in was the high state of the operational readiness at that time of both the Pakistan Army (PA) and the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) throughout the LoC. Following the meeting of India’s Cabinet Committee on National Security (CCNS) on September 21, and another meeting between the Indian PM and the two armed services chiefs on September 24, a deception plan jointly prepared by the IA’s Udhampur-based HQ Northern Command and the IAF’s Delhi-based HQ Western Command was put into effect. 
Both the IA and IAF decided to lull ther adversary into assuming that a powerful AirLand attack would be launched at a few locations in southern PoK, namely in the Bhimber sector’s areas like Tatta Pani/Hot Springs area. While the IA decided upon unleashing field artillery fire-assaults against Samahni, Bandala and Tatta Pani, the IAF commenced a series of supporting helicopter movements. 
For starters, by September 24 night, the IAF began ferrying out four Mi-35P attack helicopters belonging to the Pathankot-based 125 ‘Gladiators’ Sqn Sqn (the other Sqn—104 ‘Pioneer Rotarians is at Suratgarh) and making them land at selected locations like Poonch, Rajouri, Bhimber Gali and Krishna Ghati along with in-ptheatre Mi-17V-5s. All these movements were carried out non-stop for the following four days in full view of the PAF’s Saab 2000 AEW & CS platforms that were flying out of Kamra and keeping an eye on almost all air-movements inside both northern Punjab and Jammu & Kashmir.  
Shortly after dusk on Sptember 28, the IA’s light field artillery and mortar strikes at locations inside PoK, like Bandala, Samahni and Tatta Pani, from locations like Mankote, Balnoi and Nangi Tekri in the Krishna Ghati sector, and from Richhmar Gali in Tangdhar sector. 
The real insertion by foot of the IA’s SF (Para), however, took place in the Lipa, Shardi and Rattapani bulges (i.e. areas where Pakistan-controlled territory juts into J & K). Known as the JAW-HEAD tactic, this meant that the IA gave the impression of hitting the enemy’s jaws but in reality was aiming for the forehead in a totally surprising move. 
The bulges were carefully selected so as to present favourable topography for the attacking forces. For, throughout the LoC where IA and PA observation posts and bunkers are located face-to-face, extensive anti-personnel minefields are laid to cover the frontal and flank (left and right) approaches, but the rear area is devoid of any mines so as to facilitate friendly movements. Consequently, a raiding party beginning its ingress into enemy territory from the baselines of any bulge can stealthily sneak in through the rear and attack from the least expected direction. Thus, the IA’s SF (Para) detachments had to penetrate up to a depth of only 700 metres from the LoC but, if calculated from the frontal tip of a bulge, the targetted launch-pads would appear to be up to 3km inside PoK.
Due to this common-sensical mission-planning, the SF (Para) detachments had not need for shoulder-fired LAWs like Carl Gustavs. Only NVDs and weapons like Instalaza C-90 LAW, IWI-built Tavor TAR-21 assault rifles fitted with T-40 40mm single-shot underbarrel grenade launchers (UBGL) supplied by Turkish Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu (MKEK, or Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corp) were used with devastating effect.
The diversionary laying of light field artillery and mortar strikes at locations inside PoK, like Bandala, Samahni and Tatta Pani sent the PA into a tizzy and it has yet to recover from this common-sensical shock-and-awe tactics.

Pakistan ISPR’s Counter-Narrative
When news of the IA’s cross-LoC raids reached the PA’s GHQ in Rawalpindi by 4.30am on January 29, it was wrongly assumed by GHQ that these raids took place only in the PA’s Bhimber and Tatta Pani sectors inside PoK, this being an indication of the successes of the IA’s and IAF’s diversionary tactics. Within the hour, the Pakistani Prime Minister and the PA’s Chief of the Army Staff were told about these raids as well, following which it was decided to contact US Secretary of State John Kerry. In the US, the matter was referred by Kerry to US NSA Dr Susan Rice, who in turn contacted her Indian counterpart Ajit Doval and sought clarifications. Upon receiving the necessary details, clarifications and assurances (that were repeated later in the day at a press-conference by the IA’s DGMO Lt Gen Ranbir Singh), Dr Rice reverted back to Islamabad with the India-supplied updates.
The GHQ then went into a huddle to decide its next course of action. Retaliatory cross-LoC raids were immediately ruled out, since if they were to be conducted, then the PA would have been required to admit that a cross-LoC raid had been mounted by the IA, which in turn would have meant that there indeed were unacknowledged sanctuaries within PoK for accommodating both terrorists and irregular active combatants from proscribed ‘tanzeems’. Consequently, the GHQ decided on an elaborate counter-narrative based on outright denial. 
This then led to the Inter Services Public Relations Directorate (ISPR) organising a press-trip to only those two sectors (Bhimber and Tatta Pani) where the IA had resorted to only cross-LoC shelling.    
On October 1, the press-corps from Islamabad was helilifted first to the Bhimber helipad and from there another Mi-171 ferried the press-corps first to Baghsar, and then to Mandhole village in the PA’s Tatta Pani sector, where it was revealed that the IA’s Sepoy Chandu Babulal Chavan of 37 Rashtriya Rifles was being kept under detention at the Garrison HQ at Nakyal.
So what comes next? It will be logical to assume that before the onset of winter, the Pakistan Army (PA) will try its level-best to facilitate the infiltration of several ‘sarkari jihadis’ into the Kashmir Valley through multiple infiltration routes along the LoC and even through the ‘Working Boundary’ or WB (i.e. Pakistan’s international border with Jammu that includes the Chicken’s Neck area and which India insists is part of the International Boundary or IB and therefore should not be referred to as the WB) under the cover of deliberate field artillery skirmishes. India, on the other hand, by officially stating that it considers the whole of PoK as an integral part of the state of Jammu & Kashmir (J & K), has therefore declared that she will regard any Pakistani support/facilitation for armed insurrection by its ‘sarkari jihadis’ inside J & K who have been launched from their sanctuaries inside PoK as a direct and deliberate act-of-war. Consequently, India therefore has signalled her determination to not only target such sanctuaries through repetitive, preventive cross-LoC special operations, but more significantly, has for all intents and purposes declared her intent to climb the escalatory ladder both horizontally (by expanding the lateral frontage required for offensive ground operations) and vertically by bringing in offensive airpower (like the Jaguar IS armed with CBU-105 SFW) to target all PA field artillery gun emplacement sites, regardless of whether they are located within PoK or to the west of the WB in the northeaster portion of Pakistan’s Punjab state.
This explains the PA’s initiation of mortar fire against Nowshera's Salal and Baba Khor areas Akhnoor's Pallanwalla area and in the Balnoie area of Mendhar sector on September 27, followed by the Sabzian area in Poonch on September 28, 2016. Concurrently, India on September 27 started the process of evacuating nearly 1,000 villages in the six border districts of Punjab state that are within 10km of the India-Pakistan international boundary (around the Shakargarh Salient)—these being  the districts of Amritsar, Tarn Taran, Gurdaspur, Pathankot, Fazilka and Ferozepur. In addition, as a defensive measure the Indian Army (IA) has begun laying anti-tank mines along the Shakargarh Salient and has also begun deploying medium field artillery regiments on both flanks of the Uri-Poonch Bulge as well as around the Shakargarh Salient and Chicken’s Neck area. Through this action, India is signalling that while it has no intention of unleashing its Strike Corps through the IB, she retains the option of unleashing the unrestricted use of her offensive airpower and the IA’s combined armoured and mechanised warfare formations (integrated battle groups) ably supported by field artillery fire-assaults inside both PoK and the Chicken’s Neck area in order to compel the PA to acknowledge that there’s no such thing as a WB and thus its sanctity should be accepted and respected in the same way as the IB.    
To further drive home this point, the Indian Air Force (IAF), barely a week after concluding its annual ‘Talon’ series of air exercises (which are normally held at the same time as the Pakistan Air Force’s annual Highmark series of annual air exercises), activated all 18 of the principal and subordinate air bases of the Western Air Command and Southwestern Air Command on September 26, and began a four-day wargaming exercise that included synchronised air dominance, battlefield air-interdiction and tactical air-interdiction sorties being flown in support of areas of responsibility of the IA’s Southwestern Command (HQed Jaipur, Rajasthan), Western Command (HQed Chandimandir, Chandigarh) and Northern Command (HQed in Udhampur, J & K). Incidentally, the Pakistan Air Force’s EX Highmark had concluded on September 24. 

IB, WB, LoC Explained
It is now important to understand the various territorial boundary/frontier references. The State of Jammu & Kashmir (J & K) has 734km of LoC running through Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh regions from Kargil to Malu (Akhnoor) in Jammu district, while it has 190km of IB from Malu to Punjab belt running through Jammu, Samba and Kathua districts. The International Boundary (IB) between India and Pakistan spans 2,175km. The Working Boundary (WB) spans 202km, the Line of Control (LoC) spans 797km, and the Line of Actual Contact (LAC)—which India calls the AGPL— from map-grid reference NJ-9842 till Indra Kol—spans 108km. The LoC runs from a place called Sangam close to Chhamb (which lies on the west bank of the Munnawar Tawi River) all the way up north to NJ-9842 in Ladakh, following which the Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) takes over. The WB lies in Jammu Division between Boundary Pillar 19 and Sangam i.e. between Jammu and Sialkot), which was part of the erstwhile princely state of J & K. It is this stretch that is known in India as the International Boundary (IB), while Pakistan refers to it as the WB, since it maintains that the border agreement (the so-called standstill agreement) was inked between the princely state of J & K and Pakistan, and not between India and Pakistan. Given the fact that India maintains a near-foolproof anti-infiltration grid along the LoC, Pakistan has since mid-2013 focussed its terrorist infiltration efforts along the WB. Shakargarh Bulge (which is Pakistani territory) is running adjoining the IB, is 45km x 45km, and is held by the PA. The bulge joins Indian territory with a 40km distance in between both countries and touches India’s National Highway-1, which is the lifeline of the entire Kashmir Valley. If PA troops manage to get effectively operational in three to four days at the tip of the bulge, the NH-1 could be cut of totally, rendering the entire north of India paralysed, as all supplies and winter stocking in the Valley is done by this route, for Indian troops.
(To Be Concluded)

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buddha said...

Do you expect more such surgical strike in coming days
Pakistani army leadershi now find hard to digest such offensive attutude from India

vijay said...

how do you see the recent surgical strikes? do you think this strike has opened a new door for indian armed forces? Are we going to see such strikes in near future again to kill hafiz saeed and the likes of him living on paki soil.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BUDDHA: Didn't the PA digest its total, unconditional surrender in Dhaka on December 16, 1971? If it could digest that, the latest incident should be a walk-in-the-park for them. Already the PA's cover-up has begun & only after IA HQ releases corroborative video-footage taken by the IA's MALE-UAVs of the surgical strikes will the PA feel the pinch but then again it will be extremely hard-pressed to retaliate since, officially as per Pakistan's official stance, the PA does not operate & deploy inside what it calls 'Azaad Kashmir' & the PA can therefore claim that all those killed inside PoK by the IA's SF (Para) raiders were all 'innocent Kashmiris'.

CSC said...

Prasunda thanks to a classmate at commanding officer level in the army in kashmir I have some photos of the action. How do I share them here

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CSC: Why not create your own blog with Blogpost & upload them there?

To VIJAY: Of course there will be more such operations. Why waste time & money on targetting the so-called terrorist leaders when in the first place they're all propped up by the PA? Far better to target the PA directly to exact a high price.

September 30, 2016 at 4:11 AM

Anonymous said...

Did IAF provided any close air cover for these operation and what kind of infantry weapons and helicopters used for this operation?
who has authority to give go ahead for this kind of surgical strikes?

Regards
Ron

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RON: Why should there be close ai8r cover for such special operations during nighttime? Helicopters are used only for CSAR & CASEVAC if reqd, not otherwise. This was just a depth of 500 metres & 2.5km across the LoC & not like OP Neptune's Spear deep inside hostile territory. All such authority comes from the Cabinet Committee on National Security.

Gessler said...

This is good to hear, Prasun ji!

Meanwhile, what do you have the upcoming Defence of Gujarat Exercise being considered by the Navy? Are the Army & IAF also planning similar exercises?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To GESSLER: IAF is already carrying out TALON air-defence exercises while the PAF's High Mark 2016 air exercises had begun earlier this month.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To THEHUNDRED: That's because those news agencies can't understand what's being shown here as ground reports:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAuCzZ4Tt4M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0MxvbG9FOQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrbBTS-ifnA

Mohan said...

Dear Sir

Why are we NOT using Heavy Artilerry Guns and MBRLs on the LOC

We can cause a lot of damage to them and their Infrastructure

Mayur Manapure said...

CSC, please use Imgur or other image hosting sites. Upload them their and share the links. All of us would be very grateful.

Anonymous said...

Hi Sir,

Thanks for the update.i had query related to china deployement of J20 in tibet which is very serious as our Air Defence might not be ready for that.

What all option's India has to defend it assets in case china is able to deploy it near future along TAR.

Regards
S Singh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To S SINGH: How can the J-20 be deployed anywhere inside China, leave alone TAR< when that aircraft is years away from entering service? Even its IOC process hasn't yet, begun, leave alone FOC.

To MOHAN: What for? You're suggesting making an enormous leap without climbing the steps of a ladder.

Amardeep said...

the pakistan media reporting that 8 of out jawans and 1 is captured. what is the truth ? why don't india release video of the strike ? now many indian agencies saying that 1 solider is captured. please throw some light

VJ said...

To CSC: Kindly share the link here after uploading the photos/images.

Raman said...


So will the Real (Raheel) Sharif get an extension now ???

Vikram Guha said...

PrasunDa

Yesterday, you spoke about the Rs.330 crore EW system that the Indian Army is purchasing. I have just 1 question in this regard:

What is the name of this EW system & which company is selling it to the IA ?

Ram Bharadwaj said...

Did the Indian Army SF capture any photos or videos of the attack or aftermath? Prominent blogger like Ajai Shukla have also cast aspersions whether the attack did achieve anything substantial?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To MOHAN, AMARDEEP & RAM BHARADWAJ: Did the US release any video of OP Neptune's Spear after that operation was successfully conducted? Have the Pakistanis released any photos of the 'dead' IA soldiers?

madforexbii said...

Ajai Shukla a prominent blogger!! Then KRK is also a prominent movie critic too.. Ain't it ??

sbm said...

What is the IAF air defence exercise consisting of? Do they factor in possible ballistic or cruise missile attacks and does it include passive protection against WMD attacks?

I have to say, of all the rubbish Ajai Shukla has written over the years (and some good stuff too) his petty hatred of Modi is making him cast aspersions on an impressive operation.

Pierre Zorin said...

Those interested in the world's largest photocopier aka China have a look at these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXEt0MVl6Ks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trBT0ZzzuY4
Those interested in surgical strikes here's one link to find heaps of others https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNbZwn1_ZkQ - shame don't understand mixed Hindi/urdu

Anonymous said...

Does US or any other country were kept in loop while carrying out operation?

Regards
Ron

Pierre Zorin said...

I always believed that it's not what you have but what you can do with it matters: Pro US and biased people cite number of MiGs trashed by F-16s but the trouble is - US planes rarely faced with a pro-pilot in those machines.
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbcg_yZrbMI esp from 15:45 and you'll see an US Air chief saying the same thing - he compliments MiG 29 as one of the best planes built for dog fight and yet in the hands of untrained Iraqis they were simply sitting ducks. Chinese and Paki military might show off top aircrafts, but really they are ground based forces. This is where the IAF can cash in provided they also get a networked support and neutralising of enemy air defences. Otherwise the expensive hardware might as well sit in the show room.

Amardeep said...

india is not USA sir. what about captured solider?

RAT said...

Hi Prasun,

Thank you again for the new post another good news coming from SAARC now Sri-Lankans pulled out of Islamabad summit. Now we need to keep Pounding these waste of humanity (this is the most decent word I can use for Pak) till the time they wet their pants and leave their posts and run like scared chickens when they here any sound of Artillery fired or any helicopter approaching. After all soft meat does cook easy so we should just keep the pressure on them keep pounding and performing such strikes at the same time politically and economically pressurize them till every bone of retaliation breaks and only thing left is soft meat (cooks easy again not that I am complete non-vegetarian but still).

DAshu said...

last para regarding - diversionary tactic - is interesting.

Varunn said...

Sir, The Hindu quotes Rajyavardhan Rathore as saying that helicopters were not used in surgical strikes. In other words, he's saying that Indian troops crossed the LoC on ground but thats not what we call a surgical strike. WTF is wrong with these moron minsters?

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

Prasun DA,

This surgical strike that was carried out across the LOC, would it not have been better if land based BRAHMOS missiles were fired into these launch pads ?

Thank You,

-SUJOY

Sidharth said...

Ajay Shukla a prominent journalist. Excuse me Give me a break.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: Why this sudden & uncalled-for paranoia? At a time when Pakistan is at the receiving end from all (including China) for nuclear sabre-rattling, do you really believe that Pakistan will further raise the ante by unleashing its extremely limited stocks of ballistic & cruise missiles? If Pakistan were to do so, then by now it would not have denied the IA’scross-LoC SOF operation & would instead have publicly vowed to avenge the raid. Instead, what it has saying all along is that it will protect only its territorial integrity, meaning that portion of PoK it calls ‘Azaad Kashmir’ is not an integral part of Pakistan & therefore it has no control over the ‘Mijahids’ that cross over from ‘Azaad Kashmir’ into India’s J & K state. That’s how Pakistan is using plausible deniability to sell its version of the narrative to its citizens.

To SENTHIL KUMAR: How has Pakistan gotten wounded when the IA’s operation was conducted across the LoC into ‘Azaad Kashmir’ which Pakistan claims is a free & liberated land & is therefore not an integral part of Pakistan?

To RON: Nope.

To AMARDEEP: If course India is not the US. If the PA does not return the solkdier unharmed, then the IA will retaliate by snatching a few PA soldiers from BOPs astride the LoC.

To RAT: The pounding has already begun but the PA & PAF won’t attempt either horizontal or vertical escalation because if it does, its reqmt for rotables & consumables for all its US-made hardware will increase dramatically & given the current mood within the US Congress, the PA can’t even dream of obtaining those spares from the US through FMS channels.

To VARUNN: FYI I had clearly highlighted it by not mentioning anuthing at all about the usage of helicopters for troop transport. Only those buffoons from various broadcast TV channels enamoured with Hollywood fliocks like ZERO DARK THIRTY had allowed their imaginations to run wild throughout yesterday. Nor is it true that suirgical strikes always/only involve the usage of manned fixed-wing or rotary-winged aircraft. If you check out the various SOF-conducted operations of Israel’s Defence Forces throughout the 1960s, 1970s & 1980s inside neighbouring Arab countries, they were all ground operations that--depending on the tactical depth—used either naval vessels or helicopters for ingress/egress & many a time the entry inside enemy territory was carried out on foot.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: Do you really reckon the lives of some 50 Jihadis per camp is worth the price of a BrahMos-1?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: That EW system has no name because that product isn't available for sale in an off-the-shelf manner. Instead oit has been developed especially for an Indian reqmt by the Israelis.

sbm said...

No more like curious as to what the AD exercise entails. What's the IAF thinking in terms of its planning in these exercises ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: It was never an air-defence exercise. No air force ever conducts only defensive exercises--something the 'desi' news-reporters bother to explain or understand. All air exercises involve various offensive & defensive scenarios in which skills proficiencies for both offensive & defensive airpower are assessed.

sbm said...

Ah - ok. I wonder what then they did conduct? ESP the AD threat environment, the passive measures etc. Would be interesting. Not paranoid. Just really really really curious.

Anonymous said...

Why have protests in Kashmir died down immediately after Uri attack?

Why doesn't Pakistan occupy Afghanistan and make it part of its territory?

Regards
Ron

Pierre Zorin said...

I don't wish to be a know all or an expert. Pardon me Prasun to add my 4 bits (2 bits too many). It is your blog I do not wish to hijack anything. Please feel free to let me know if I have reached my threshold of ignorance or punditry (a word I just coined)
Please see if you get the time to answer me re stealth bomber development instead of amca and the AW & C Embraer - can only read about the one procured nothing more.

Thehundered said...

"To RAT: The pounding has already begun but the PA & PAF won’t attempt either horizontal or vertical escalation because if it does, its reqmt for rotables & consumables for all its US-made hardware will increase dramatically & given the current mood within the US Congress, the PA can’t even dream of obtaining those spares from the US through FMS channels."

Prasun, I hope what you stated above proves to be true, just like your predictions many times before.

"The pounding has already begun" Does that mean the Army is carrying out mortar and artillery assaults on a daily basis now?

And is the Indian government still willing to carry out operations to seize territory next year when the weather is more favorable because killing 30-50 terrorists is not enough to make Pakistan bleed.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM & THEHUNDRED: Have just provided the contextualisation above, which should explain what comes next as a logical probability.

To RON: That's because historically whenever India-Pakistan tensions increase, the entire Valley goes quiet. The same had happened in mid-1999 as well.

To THEHUNDRED: Later this month there will be the inaugural BRICS-BIMSTEC Summit in Goa in which President Xi Jinping is expected to attend. I don't reckon Beijing will be so reckless so as to encourage Pakistan to carry on with what it has been doing, especially at a time when China is most enxious to explore new trade opportunities within BIMSTEC, like building new rail transportation routes in Nepal, into India (via Bihar) * achieving high-speed rail connectivity between Kunming and Howrah via Bangladesh.

Thehundered said...

Thanks Prasun! Just finished reading the updated contextualization above. Having read your blog for the last couple of years has helped me get a better understanding of air, land and sea conflicts. The more I read the more I was surprised at how much Pakistan has been able to punch above its weight all these past years and how they managed to get away with their aggressive and careless actions. I understand that our forces are lacking in a lot of areas (artillery, MRCA, Su-30 50% availability etc) but like you explained on a couple of occasions before, Indian Armed Forces can dominate in limited conflicts. Let's hope from now on it will be different and these next "logical steps" will put some common sense and fear in the Pakistan Armed forces.And I will have to get used to a more aggressive India.

Would love to see Jaguar IS armed with CBU-105 SFW being put to use by IAF. Thanks again!

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun da

Have you seen the twitter account of Mr..nobody Ajay Shukla..He is asking for proofs that india conducted strikes across LOC..Who the hell is he to get proofs..This is the 2nd time He is making such dumb remarks..

Magicbullet said...

Susan Rice called up Doval before the strikes...what does that indicate sir.

El.mag18 said...

Hi Prasun,
If we knew the location of these camps and they are within few kms of LOC, why not use UAV's to guide artillery and decimate them. Certainly a less riskier option.

El.mag18 said...

Hi Prasun, If these camps were few km from LOC, why not use UAV guided artillery to decimate them. Less risky option isn't it.

Amardeep said...

sir, some of our own peoples are saying that something ia fishy in this so called surgical strike. as u indicated in case of US osama raid there was 1 helicopter crashed. said to be stealth helicopter.some people in the indian govt saying that helicopter is used and some saying they crawl to POK.why indian army not giving statistics on how many terrorists or PA personal killed. want to know ur views

Vikram Guha said...

Prasun Da,

An interesting write up about India's Special Forces in today's Telegraph. It compares India's SF with British SAS & US Special Forces and states how UK & US have ensured better training & facilities for their SF.

For example, the write states that extraction capabilities for SF from hotspots is inferior in India compared to the West.

I suspect Indian SF are not as highly trained as Western SF. But obviously you will have better knowledge about this.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1161001/jsp/frontpage/story_111312.jsp#.V-8sr8tX7qA

Regards,

Vikram

financeblogger said...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/china-blocks-brahmaputra-tributary-impact-on-water-flow-in-india-not-clear/story-QVAYbO2iOBFUSynwwpyneN.html


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/technical-hold-on-indias-move-to-get-jem-chief-masood-azhars-un-terror-listing-already-extended/articleshow/54628637.cms


Request your opinion on the above two articles and its implications.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: Extraction capabilities are dictated by the tyranny of terrain & depth of operations. The SOF elements of the US & UK are 'seen' to possess greater/more extraction capabilities because their operations are all carried out tens of thousands of miles elsewhere as part of expeditionary campaigns. Hence, the comparison highlighted by you on that newspaper would not be a fair assessment.

To AMARDEEP: That's because the SOF mission was conducted to send a message to the adversary, not to those folks in India who are afflicted with a deep sense of low self-esteem. Those seeking proof should first begin with the IA's cross-LoC raids staged by the IA's SOF elements since the early 1990s. This didn't begin in September 2016.

To ELMAG18: The targets were not training camps, but the launch-pads where are only a few hundred metres away from the LoC. The training camps with semi-permanent infrastructure are located in Balakote & Mansehra.

To MAGICBULLET: Not before, but after. By 5am that morning India had informed all friendly countries about the cross-LoC SOF operation after the SOF detachments had safely made iot back to their staging areas. It was only after the US Embassy relayed this info back to the US that the US NSA Dr Rice wanted some minor clarifications from her Indian counterpart before briefing POTUS about this incident. So, all those seeking proof of India's cross-LoC SOF operation ought to first examine this detail (post-raid communication between the NSAs of India & the US), for therein lies all the proof/clinching evidence that's reqd.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To THE HUNDRED: Aircraft serviceability/availability rates can be ramped up in less than a month based on the urgency of reqmts. The Su-30MKI fleet's availability will thus be close to 90% by the 2nd week of this month, as will that of the Jaguar IS fleet. Already, steps have been set in motion to achieve this target. Do read this earlier news-report:

Defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which maintains IAF's fighter aircraft, has been put on high alert with compulsory overtime (no regular shifts) in place and engineers and technicians have been instructed to keep their bags ready for travel when required. HAL's brass met its staff across units—Sukhoi, MiG, Mirage, Jaguar and other helicopter platforms—for 40 minutes on Thursday. "This followed the midnight meeings in Delhi. From Saturday, HAL technicians, engineers and managers will have to work up to 11pm every day. Managers motivated us to stay committed to our work, saying it is of national importance," said a source. "It reminded us of the Kargil conflict in 1999 when we did not go home for weeks," he said. HAL is the fourth line of service when aircraft develop problems. "The first two lines of servicing happen at the squadron level. The third line, which requires a higher degree of repair work, goes to base repair depots (BRD). For repairs on the engine, avionics and other major control systems it goes to the manufacturer/assembler," a retired Air Officer-in-charge Maintenance of IAF said. An HAL official, confirming the alert, said, "We do the Sukhoi and MiG platforms in Nashik, while all the European platforms of fixed wing fighters (Mirage and Jaguar) are done in Bengaluru." During Kargil conflict, a retired HAL employee said, "Technicians worked for more than two months. We have strong workers' unions here." The source said managers have taken unions into confidence at the meeting.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To Anon@9.08AM: That is only to be expected from 'Bandalbaazes' who don't possess the intellect to connect the dots & thus they can never draw suitable inferences grounded in logical reasoning. Folks like him come under the category of what I refer to as 'Inconsolable Irreconcilables'm i.e. a skull devoid of a brain & intellect, meaning both the hardware & software reqd for any thought-process is missing.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To FINANCEBLOGGER: It's wrong to use the term 'block' or 'blocking'. The project in TAR is a run-of-the-river power generation project & therefore the water-flow is only temporarily diverted while construction of the dam is underway. A man-made diversionary tributary is built so that the location of the dam remains dry for concrete-pouring. This man-made diversionary tributary remains active for as long as dam construction takes places & it therefore joins the original natural tributary a safe distance away. Thus, there's no loss of water quantum through spillage or pondage & therefore the river tributary's water-flow won't be affected at all on the Indian & Bangladeshi sides. Thus, temporary man-made diversion of water-flow does not tantamount to blocking or water denial. Those news-reports therefore are totally misleading & erroneous in terms of their contents.

Magicbullet said...

Sir...such raids ..u just said have happened earlier too..so what's so special now ..and why was it officially announced...to only please modi bhakts or to drive a message...if so ..what's the message ...to the cat's paw and the cat itself.

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da, it appears that China started to protect its servant state again,

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-to-submit-watertight-case-to-unsc-on-masood-azhar/article9173954.ece

by extending its Technical hold saving Masood Azahar, now would not there be any countermeasure ?

Vikram Guha said...

Prasun Da,

A nice read about South Africa's Nuclear weapons program.

http://isis-online.org/uploads/isis-reports/documents/RevisitingSouthAfricasNuclearWeaponsProgram.pdf

Valuable lessons for a country like India that has a small nuclear arsenal

jags said...

Dear Sir,

Some of the issues you expected wrt the way Chinese do business have started to emerge in their relationship with Pakistan. One of the way they are dealing with this at the moment is to turn the loans to grants. How viable is this in the long term?

http://www.vifindia.org/article/2016/july/19/implications-of-the-china-pakistan-economic-corridor

Also there are reports that ADB has agreed to loan them 2.5 Billion for the railway line project from Peshwar to Karachi. What I found surprising was that China will foot the rest of the 5.5Billion to complete this project. From where I am sitting that is a massive undertaking. What does this mean for Indian security?

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/south-asia/china-to-give-55-billion-for-pakistans-main-rail-link/article9169249.ece



Anonymous said...

Two things i would like to have your explainisation:

Why the DGMO telephone pakistan BEFORE the attack?
Why here in the west no one believes in "surgical strikes"?

In todays age, we must show them the proof, video proof otherwise they will have a field day.

S.Patel

Arpit Kanodia said...

@S Patel Does it matter what Paki govt. and Paki citizen thinks?

If Indian Govt. already shared proofs with P4 (except China) and they accepted surgical strikes indeed happened.

Then why releasing the Infra Red images of MALE drones?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To S PATEL: You are wildly assuming several things. Firstly, show me one news-report that says the IA's DGMO contacted his Pakistani counterpart by telephone BEFORE the SOF operation. Secondly, were you present in person when India's External Affairs Ministry briefed the Ambassadors & High Commissioners of 28 countries? Were you witness to such briefings? If not, then how exactly are you assuming that no material evidence of the cross-LoC SOF operation was ever presented to anybody?

To JAGS: The ONLY grant given to Pakistan so far is for the expansion & upgrading of Gwadar Int'l Airport. As for the ability to pay back loans with interest, Pakistan already today is borrowing money for the sake of paying back its earlier loans, i.e. it has entered the arena of circular debts, which means all the loans & borrowings will not result in any nett addition to that country's real economy.

To MAGICBULLET: What's so special is that this time there has been an official acknowledgement of such an operation, meaning India is telling Pakistan that if the latter wants to escalate in any way, India will be more than willing to retaliate with massive force along a frontage chosen by Pakistan's military, which everyone knows will be the area stretching from Sialkot to Poonch along the LoC & what pakistan calls the WB.

To SUMANTA NAG: Don't worry, for very soon in the near future questions will arise about how come Pakistan professes to have zero tolerance against Uighur separatists from Xinjiang when Pakistan's best friend Turkey is the favourite destination of such Uighur separatists when they want to secure political asylum. The moment one starts to openly discuss this issue, China will realise how embarrassing it has been to befriend Pakistan.

Ganesh said...

Hello Prasun,

Understanding the ground situation from the non-military person's standpoint, it is a workable strategy to provide heads up to the required teams military and civilian entities supporting military to prepare for a long haul. The adversaries with brains will pick the stern warnings and either stop meddling or be fool hardy to up the ante.

Kudos to you for the confidence on the present dispensation to do the right thing. Now, I am also in the bandwagon to say yes positive momentum is there to execute the plans for unification of POK with India.

Another totally different topic, requesting your views - Will Baluchistan be part of Indian federation or at least confederation post its independence from Pakistan. This question since approximately 10 to 12 years ago the Baluch freedom supporters where talking ill about India's J&K policies and were supportive of J&K independence from India.

Thanks,
Ganesh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: Do see these:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Watch-Captain-Raghu-Raman-explain-why-the-Army-is-the-ultimate-symbol-of-Indian-unity/articleshow/54634114.cms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5XptU6-Vm0
http://www.prokerala.com/news/photos/balochistan-what-world-needs-to-know-booklet-release-177327.html

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

The PA is definitely on an overdrive to deny the cross-LoC strikes by the IA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLxI0luHJc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lza_ZxETllM

Such stage-managed events give credence to the fact that the PA at this point in time has no stomach for a any limited high-intensity land campaign against the IA. Note the desperation of the DG of ISPR, who, personifying the intellectual mediocrity pervading throughout the PA's higher-level officer corps, labels the IA's SOF as being merely paratroopers! Also note that the briefing was given at Tatta Pani & Bhimber where the IA had conducted diversionary field artillery fire-assaults.

To GANESH: VMT. Officially, India is only highlighting the plight of the Balochis from a human rights standpoint. It is not for India to say or dictate what the Balochis ought to decide about their future. From a geographical standpoint, logic demands that any successful Baloch nation will have to peacefully co-exist with those countries that have contigous borders, i.e. Afghanistan & Iran. 10-12 years back the Baloch separatists were totally frustrated with India's indecisions & pussyfooting, but not anymore.

Gopu said...

If Pakistan's fate lies in inevitably being split into 2-6 new entities, won't that mean that India will have to deploy expeditionary forces to areas like Punjab, Kyber Paktunkwha, and FATA to pacify those regions and prevent Sharia governments from forming? And for that matter, Sindh could end up becoming a lawless mafia state if left on its own.

The short term strategy for this region is set in stone, but now we need to examine the long-term plan to ensure viable peace and stability.

Anonymous said...

prasunda;

I know you have covered this in several areas before, but could you please (again) detail the final specifications of LCA MK1a.
Is it the LCA Navy design version (3002) which will be promoted, and exactly what features will be added? There are so many reports on this and they all say something different. Can you either provide details or provide a link. very many thanks in advance.

Ashish

Anonymous said...

There is more to these strikes than meets the eye:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37518200

People are questioning this strike has its seen by many outside India to be a media blitz. I tell them its a new type of war, where information is released when necessary.

On Balouchistan, we have to be careful. Iran will never allows us anywhere near their port or country if we start to talk of funding Balouch freedom fighters. The minute they think we can cause them any harm whether short term or long term, we are out.

S.Patel

Manoj G said...

Hi Prasun,

1.Are there any Mental or Physical training that Special Forces in the west receive that Indian Special Forces do not receive ?

2.You had posted a link about the Indian Army's RFI for a rifle. In your opinion which rifle currently available from a foreign vendor will best meet the requirements of the Indian Army ? Thanks.

Senthil Kumar said...

Dear Prasun,

http://www.dawn.com/news/1287133/the-rise-and-fall-of-general-glasnost

Always Paki Military & Civilian Leaders will fight each other.

After Indian Surgical Strike, the outgoing Pakistan General Sheriff will try to do something before retirement. Because surgical Strike had done some relief for Nawaz sherief little from panama paper episode.

May me more bomb in Indian cities are more civil unrest in J&K.

Thanks
S.Senthil Kumar

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

PrasunDa,

1.Parikar said today that the first set of Rafales will arrive before 36 months. Do you think it's possible to get a few Rafales say 18 months from now?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/no-need-for-36-month-wait-parrikar-says-india-may-get-rafale-jets-sooner/story-2HvUckOsuo3A7O8CrMDOcJ.html


2. The prototype of the PAK-FA has still not arrived in India. Have your sources provided you any timeline as to when they may arrive?

Thanks, Sujoy

Mayur M Manapure said...

Sir, about the jawan who was captured, is it possible he is dead by now. PA is denying to reveal anything about his whereabouts and is denying his captivity. Is it time to snatch a few jawans from PA or Ranger for exchange. There's no use in capturing a single PA or Ranger personnel as pathetic bastards would not even acknowledge him but they would acknowledge a few of them out of shame.

and @CSC, we are still waiting for the pics you have.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To MAYUR M MANAPURE: Yesterday itself the DG of ISPR during his on-site briefing at Tatta Pani confirmed that the RR soldier will be released after due process. He is now under detrention at the Garrison HQ at Nakyal in PoK. Watch this briefing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImwFAJ3FI2M

Rajesh Mishra said...

Is it true that since the Iran is Shia and pakistan is sunni, so due to the effects of the ongoing global Shia-sunni wars, Iran is also going to support the Balouchi liberation movement notwithstanding the fact that the Balochi too are sunni. Pl reply.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

I have just uploaded the narrative above to explain in greater detail how the SF (Para) detachments achieved mission success. Of course there are several other kindergarten-level self-patting assumptions full of self-bravado that are being peddled about (like this: http://www.rediff.com/news/column/revealed-how-the-surgical-strikes-ops-unfolded/20160930.htm).

R & AW or NTRO had NOTHING to do with mission-tasking or mission-planning. They don't need to.\, since the IA's Field Intelligence Units are officially mandated to operate for up to a depth of 5km inside hostile territory during peacetime.

To RAJESH MISHRA: The Balochis are more secular than Sunni & are not die-hard Wahhabis or Salafists. That's why there are several Balochis who have been granted Iranian Passports whenever they sought asylum.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR: 1) Everything depends on how fast France can integrate the specified non-French hardware into the Rafale. 2) They will not arrive until the definitive turbofan of the FGFA has first been certified for usage by Russia. Had already stated this several times before.

To MANOJ G: 1) They are all the same. 2) It could be the Israelis, Belgians or even OFB.

To S PATEL: Their job is to speculate on such matters. They always have.

prashant said...

sir, a few years ago a plan was made to hand over the attack helicopters to the army..basically all helos except medium/heavy lift were to be handed over to the army & to have a permanent cadre of AAC officers..never heard of this plan again..has it been shelved ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PRASHANT: Not few years ago. It was agreed upon in 1986. Now watch from 28.37 how some Pakistanis who don't even know what 'inclusive democracy' is, are dreaming about Muslim-Sikh unity for the sake of 'Kashmir':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U4hUth5L8M

If this is what Pakistan's 'grand strategy' is based on, then the days of today's Pakistan being further decapitated (like it was in 1971) isn't too far.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

ISPR-Organised Press Visits to 2 separate areas of LoC on October 21, 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va2FLWhPBKU

Gopu said...

1) Pakistan only has ~2 months before J&K becomes snowed in. Therefore, all the mischief they can do is infiltrate suicide jihadis or sleeper agents since anything larger in scale would require more planning. However, for next March/April, do you think the PA will be crazy enough to launch an armored column across the WB?

2) Wasn't/is the Rafale supposed to be the definitive next-generation aerial nuclear deterrent? When will nuclear Rafales be available? Will they be integrated with Brahmos-NG or Nirbhay (whenever those are ready) or will the ASMP-A be acquired separately?

Vijay said...

Dear Sir

Today's news is that PAKI NSA has contacted Indian NSA for reducing tensions

Secondly as per your expanded narrative ; India has made sufficient and
enough preparations for and On the LOC

However as you also know the Initiative ALWAYS lies with the aggressor

He can sleep well in the day and attack at night

Where as the defender is always on the defensive and CANNOT always remain on the defensive

Let us make them LOOSE their sleep ; go on the offensive

Sudipto said...

https://youtu.be/_aoYNQrOOu0

The so called UN kashmir resolution explained to a brainwashed Pakistani fullbright scholar

Ludwig said...

Prasun Sir I just read a report by US marine core about how they are integrating Mini UAVs with weight less than 3kg, endurance less than 6 hours and operational altitude about 1000Ft. I think it may be an old report but remains quite relevant for IA.

Sir I had previously asked you this question too. Does Indian Army use any type of Mini UAVs? Specially at Battalion and Company level. Does it have any plans for using it?

dushyant hardaha said...

sir
will Uri attack and SOF operation by IA
initialize process of denuclearization of Islamic Republic of Pakistan

lachit said...

damm porkies r really spooked

the amount of internet jehad being done is mind boggling , twisting news reports , digging up old videos as new ones etc. some jackass indians also not helping matters.

porkis have literally launched a massive misinformation and counter narrative cyber campaign. lol

now porkies r claiming 51 soldiers in kashmir have been pulled up for court martial.
dont believe it , anyways do u have any info ?

Anup said...

Sir,

1)Rafale deal: Reliance, Dassault Aviation set up joint venture
http://idrw.org/rafale-deal-reliance-dassault-aviation-set-up-joint-venture/
2)IAF straggle to maintain different types of fighter aircraft ?
3)Do you know status of another Submarine from Russia?
4)Any back door meeting for agustawestland helicopters?

CSC said...

Prasunda, it seems unlikely that the rafale will be here before the 2018 campaign. Do I have 2 questions

How soon do we expect the 130km ranged rvv ae in all our soviet made aircraft
Also can be meteors come before the rafales and be retrofitted into fighters using the mica
Also will the tejas with the 2052 radar see light of day in 2018

Satya said...

Sir, i'm not casting any doubt on surgical strikes, but why did UN military observer group denied it? Also, do you see any possibility of limited conflict (Kargil type) in near future?

AJ said...

Hi PrasunDa,

From what I understand by going Public, has PM Modi put pressure on UPA to retaliate as well in future if NDA is not elected in 2019?

With Rahul Gandhi publicly praising the PM, it feels like that a.) UPA was forced to back PM Modi and b.) Congress will be more acceptable to carryout cross-border strikes without pressure in future.

I would like to know your thoughts? Although I am also afraid the current lot of coward Congis might do what they did in past, cower back to strategic restraint and close down Army TDS division due to internal politics?

AJ

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SATYA: LoLz! UNMOGIP has 7 offices in Pakistan & 4 in India. In Pakistan they have been taken, just like the ISPR-conducted press-tours--to southern PoK in the Bhimber/Tatta Pani area where the IA's DIVERSIONARY cross-LoC firing took place. No one from the IA crossed the LoC in this area. The question to be asked is why is the ISPR not taking the press to those areas where the IA's special ops were conducted. The video-clips I've linked above clearly prove that the PA & PAF were totally deceived by the IA's diversionary attacks down south while the real action took place up north.

Vijay said...

Dear Sir

My WISH HAS been GRANTED ; Now 120 MM MORTARS are BEING FIRED

Now the Pakis will SEE what is Indian Army All about

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/reliance-ties-up-with-dassault-to-execute-rafale-offsets/article9179906.ece?homepage=true

Anonymous said...

Hello Prasunda,

15 years of American rule in Afghanistan, this articles covers the changes, mostly not reported. It looks like an enterprise well worth it.India's role is also mentioned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/opinion/sunday/15-years-in-the-afghan-crucible.html?_r=0

what do you make of this, from the article:

"And the Pakistani military is ever more brazen in its support for the insurgents, even flying in retired military officers to train the Taliban by chartered helicopter — one crash-landed in a Taliban-controlled area of eastern Afghanistan in August bearing six retired military personnel and a Russian pilot."

Are the russians working with the pakistanis to give a bloody nose to UNCLE SAM?
Are they mad?

Welcome back lachit, long time.

RAT

Manoj G said...

Hi Prasun,

1.In the link related to Reliance fulfilling the offset requirement that you have posted what kind of offset related to the Rafale will Reliance fulfill?

2.Why was Reliance chosen by Dassault over other Indian companies?

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/reliance-ties-up-with-dassault-to-execute-rafale-offsets/article9179906.ece?homepage=true

- G Manoj

Ganesh said...

Hello Prasun, I suppose it is interesting to see the way enemies are behaving. Now it is time to clean up the identified sympathisers and supporters who sustain the jihadis on Indian side, so that enemy is forced to do something stupid to hit them hard on their hands and decapitate it. Thanks, Ganesh

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To GANESH: The adversary on India's west is feeling the extreme pressure coming from China, which has got the most to lose (i.e.bidding bye bye to CPEC) if Pakistan were to have its way with its blatant & undeniable military support for inciting violence inside J & K. And that's because India has not yet exercised the Xinjiang card, i.e. if Pakistan questions India's law-enforcement methods inside J & K, then India reserves the right to highlight China's law-enforcement methods inside Xinjiang. As it is, China is already realised that there's no chance of getting any returns on its investments under CPEC, since the much-touted western highway networks originally meant for connecting Gwadar with Afghanistan & the CARs has finally been scrapped & the Pakistani Senate itself officially stated 3 days ago in a report that the Gwadar Port project is a non-starter. It is China that has acted as an interlocuter between the NSAs of the 2 countries because Beijing now knows that India is now confident of launching additional declaratory cross-LOC special operations whenever she feels like doing so. In fact, two personalities have so far officially acknowledged that another such cross-LoC military operation was carried out in January 2013:

P Chidambaram: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGWxcM7PZLs

Gen Bikram Singh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5xy4R9VeIk

lachit said...

@RAT

i am always lurking about reading the comments.

my service as a commentator is no longer required since the USELESS porky comments have been effectively embargoed here.

most of the queries etc i have is mostly asked by u all, so all i have to do is read wait and read.

happy durga puja to everybody in advance.
regards

Varunn said...

I am really interested to know how many casualties did we inflict upon the enemy in these surgical strikes - Jan 2013, Myanmar and recent one in PoK? I suppose our kill ratio must have been at least 1:3. Also, how many casualties has PA suffered so far in zarb e azb? What does Paki army gain by hiding its true losses?

Anonymous said...

At NSA level meeting Doval will ask for coordinates of those rats that holed up in Kashmir. Has Pak been beaten adequately to give in??? So why accept for NSA level meet so early??

Naresh

DAshu said...

sir from your reply to "GANESH" is not it one more proof that China will be part of the equation(most probably part of the problem), whenever, India try to assert its legal right over PoK, plan of taking back Haji Pir in next march (if any) and the eventual 2018.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DASHU: Do read this:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-wants-six-months-to-smash-terror-infrastructure-in-Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir/articleshow/54668554.cms

Praveen said...

VMT Sir,

Viswanatha said...

He does not get extension. He takes extension at his will as his predecessors did.

Aditya said...

http://eptoday.com/indias-war-on-terror/

Prasun K Sengupta :- Nostradamus of the East

Pawan Kumar said...

Dear Prasun da

if this news is true, whch I think it is & has been put out as part of information management, then time has come for kind of operation you were talking abt few months back to reclaim PoK.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-wants-six-months-to-smash-terror-infrastructure-in-Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir/articleshow/54668554.cms

My only query is whether Indian forces are properly equipped and stocked to take this to a logical conclusion.

Regards
Pawan

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,
You had predicted well in advance regarding order for Rafales well in excess of 100. 183 exactly if my memory is right.
Now for MII will Reliance be the assembler of Rafales or it will be HAL? Is tying with Reliance part of the offset plan? How exactly?

Pawan Kumar said...

Dear Prasun da,

1. Forget to mention your another prophecy that come true :) Reliance+ Dassault+HAL(may be) would form JV to produce Rafale.

Now do you see total of 126 or 189? Is INS interested in Rafale-M.

Regards

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VED & PAWAN KUMAR: Rafale numbers in IAF service will indeed increasem but because of the Reliance-Dassault tie-up. This is not like the previous licenced-production projects using Soviet/Russian military-industrial models. The Ruskies & before that the Soviets were never interested in creating global supply-chains or a global vendor-based eco-system. Consequently, not one of the licenced-production ventures anywhere in the world resulted inh skills upgradation or kniow-how transfers. The Western military-industrial model is radically different because of the 'buy-back' provision by the OEM/IPR-owner from the licenced-vendor--meaning the OEM transfers the design/production know-hows over a defined timeframe that can last for as long as 40 years. Consequently, a symbiotic industrial eco-system is built & nurtured, which then leads to joint or co-development of customer-specific platforms or weapon systems. That's how both Japan & China have climbed the industrial ladders in the aerospace & defence sectors & that's the only way forward for India. So yes, after 36 to 48 months once the vendor eco-system is up & running inside India, follow-on orders for Rafale will be placed with similar buy-back provisions of the French OEMs.

To ADITYA & DASHU: Have made further additions to the narrative above under separate sub-headings, & at the bottom have also elaborated on the PA's present-day deployment footprint. Tomorrow, I will focus on the balance of airpower.

Anonymous said...

Prasun, FLIGHT GLOBAL is reporting that the Indian Rafale will potential carry a Rafael Litening 5 targeting pod and be customized to carry IAI's a2a weapons ? Is this accurate ?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rafael-and-reliance-defence-negotiate-systems-provis-430033/

-Subho

rad said...

hi prasun
conduction of another raid across the border will definitely entail some loss of our soldiers and heli ac as well as they would have moved up manpads to the border.
I would suggest we use gps guided 120 mm mortar rounds for precise targeting ,it seems they have a cep of 10 ft. It is no doubt expensive but is the best option . your take on this please.
can the rafale take out pak f-16 before they come into amraam launch range? with meteors.
I believe aerial action will all tend to be low level thus reducing the range of air to air missiles. Will the ramjet meteor have the same range or reduced range as well.

Praveen said...

1.How do you see the scenario unfolding in next 6 months .. Pakis will surely not keep quite and since we are willing to escalate will it result in a full blown war or ..will our response will still be asymmetric..
2. Jaguar re-engineing...is it worth the money to upgrade a 30 ye old horse ,

Punjabi said...

Sir,

In you article you say "Due to this common-sensical mission-planning, the SF (Para) detachments had not need for shoulder-fired LAWs like Carl Gustavs. Only NVDs and weapons like IWI-built Tavor TAR-21 assault rifles fitted with T-40 40mm single-shot underbarrel grenade launchers (UBGL) supplied by Turkish Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu (MKEK, or Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corp) were used with devastating effect."

What about sniper rifles and LMGs?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PUNJABI: Sniper rifles are used for staging ambushes & killing solitary targets. When a lainch-pad is raided, maximum firepower fired simultaneously is used from safe distances. Just check out howe far a 40mm grenade fired from a UBGL can go.

To PRAVEEN: 1) If the PA wants a full-blown war to the east, then all those troops deployed along the Durand Line will have to abandon their present positions & relocate eastwards. If that happens, the entire Durand Line will come alive & the TTP will run amock throughout Pakistan. Does Gen Raheel Sharif really desire this? Won't that destroy everything that's been achieved through OP Zarb-e-Azb? Think about it. 2) Of course. Almost 95% fatal crashes involving Jaguars have to date taken place due to Adour engine malfunctions. FADEC-equipped F125 turbofans will be trouble-free & usage of several existing fuel pumps will be eliminated.

To RAD: And who or what will obtain those precise GPS coordinates down to the 7th decimal point? Meteor LRAAM isn't meant for use against F-16s. The LRAAM is yo be used against AEW & CS platforms. Rafale will never venture out all alone. Su-30MKIs armed with extended range R-77s (already acquired since 2013) will always accompany it for giving top-cover.

To SUBHO: Even existing Litening-2s can be upgraded to the latest production standard. What A-to-A weapons are built by IAI? All AAMs & A-to-G PGMs are made by RAFAEL.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

For all those thirsting for proof:

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/pakistan-border-terror-camps-surgical-strikes-kashmir-loc-indian-army-jihadist-3065975/

So CSC could not upload the photos after all. Wonder what those photos would have been.

rad said...

hi prasun
i believe it is easy to obtain precise gps co ordinates any where form extrapolation of known ref points as well as SAT images combined with SAR data of the area which is easy to obtain via Israeli elm 2060 sar pod. I wouldn't be surprised if google earth is also used.
you mentioned that the meteor will be only used against awacs .

There are many sites that clearly pit the meteor against the amraam and the advantages etc

could you give more info on the extended range aa-12 ie electronics and range etc.

financeblogger said...

Following a must watch video of what sacrifies, Indian military has given and how Indian politicians trivialize it and befitting response to such politicians


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZpDUEQNx3s

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/pakistan-loc-border-ceasefire-violation-congress-upa-government-3065754/

Previous cross-LoC raids by the IA took place on September 1, 2011; July 28, 2013; and, January 14, 2014.

Ludwig said...

Sir, Please see this video, the gentlemen here are also echoing your suggestions about reform in MOD, I especially liked the use of word Kingdoms here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lHmIi5tk9o&list=PLVOgwA_DiGzq0uDefnE7KGNq06vtdaD7s&index=1

Sir Do you see any possibility of this changing? Any action in this direction?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAD: How precise is precise? As I had explained, getting Lat-Long coordinates down to the 7th decimal point is possible if the GPS receiver is directly overhead above the target, meaning if you wannt such precise coordinates of a house, you will have to stand on the house's rooftop with the GPS receiver. For military reqmts, this is possible in only 2 ways: either send SOF persopnnel or spies/agents to get such coordinates, or fly a stealthy low-flying UAV over the target. GoogleEarth etc etc go sa far as only 2 decimal points--totally worthless when precision targetting for PGMs is reqd. The extended range R-77 can go up to 130km when fired from an altitude of 20,000 feet. Meteor has a built-in data-link that enables the Rafale to fire the LRAAM with its RBE-2 AESA-MMR switched off, while the target coordinates obtained by an AEW & CS platform a great distance away passes these coordinates to the Rafale & the Rafale in turn transmits the coordinates through its MIDS data-link to the Meteor. Thus, no continous target illumination by the RBE-2 is reqd for mid-course guidance, which in turn means the targetted aircraft's RWR does not p;ick up any hostile emissions until the Meteor's active RF seeker turns on.

ANJAN SENGUPTA said...

Prasun,

I am commenting after a good 6 years- you and I had detailed chats over emails. Remember Bengal Under Attack - yeah those were the days.

I would like to touch base again with you - my email id" anjansengupta1601@gmail.com

Mail koro - opakheye royilam

Anjan Sengupta

Anonymous said...

Prasun da,

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2016/10/iaf-chief-blames-upa-for-procurement.html

The great and prominent journalist "Colonel Saab" predicting F-16 or F-18 or Gripen-E manufacturing in India by 2025. I don't know who's the source of such a high valued classified information. LMAO!

rad said...

hi prasun
wow the data linked rafale is then going to be a kickass fighter and the f-16 pilots will be surely think twice before letting there jingoistic false sense of being the best in the world .
Is there any work being done for an awacs to target incomming ac with sam Missiles and vectoring them to impact. My jingoistic mind says that it is possible given todays AWACS`s AESA radar with huge power for long distance cueing . I was thinking of linking the phalcon aesa radar with the barak missile with an aesa radar as well. That would be the best sam system in the world any day. Please enumerate the difficulties in doing so .

what is the range when an awacs finally detects a stealth ac due to sheer power?

will the trend be to mount a vhf or uhf band radar on an awacs?. some thing like the israeli elm 2090 ultra radar to detect stealth. What is the known stealth capability of the j-20 Chinese ac. How do we counter it in India?.

The jf-17 seems to have a very quick induction time of 4 years since first flight .There was no IOC or FOC is that the cause of crashes or the rd-33 engines ?.

Unknown said...

Dear Prasun

given that around 100 terrorists are awating across loc to infiltrate in india before onset of winter, would india now destroy their launch pads using artillery strikes/air power in conjunction with army raids. Please share your thoughts on how this may be tackled by the present government.

Earlier, sheshadri chari of BJP mentioned that this year is the last year of pakistans independence. does this imply mass military assault for slicing pakistan into pieces in 2017 or 2018. please share your thoughts.

thanks and regards


kunal

Senthil Kumar said...

Dear Prasun,

http://atimes.com/2016/10/china-is-the-winner-in-indias-surgical-strikes-at-pakistan/

M.K. Bhadrakumar is saying China is the winner in the Surgical Strikes issue.
Do you Agree.

Please comment.

Thanks
S.Senthil Kumar

CSC said...

Prasunda, after the gaffe involving mistakenly giving out two phone nos of sources in a post I am extra careful

And those are actual pics of slain terrorists, heads and limbs blown apart, camps smoking burnt and demolished and a huge cache of portable weapons and packaged nuts and dry fruits

At another level what cap are the bandalbaazs speaking about when they say we need two mki for every f16

And we dealt one on one with the block 60s at red flag and know everything the machine can do and the best paf has are block 52. We also have the Singapore f16s in bengal to train with

Further the best paf knows abt the mki is from the plan 27s which are a generation behind the mki

Can u pls do an analysis of the paf f 16 and junk fighters vis a vis the mki and mig 29 upg and K with and without awacs support
Would be great if u do a detailed one in ur upcoming post on the airforce bit

Please and super please do it

CSC said...

My only confusion on seeing those photos was why did these certified nuts need to eat more nuts

Anonymous said...

What are your thoughts on IAF chief's recent statements on Change in procurement policy and second foreign fighter aircraft?
Pranav

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,
What is the alternative to strike at terrorist camps other than raids by SF? Can UAV like Heron armed with precision guided munition do the job without actually crossing LOC?

financeblogger said...

Must see, Impact of decision taken by Indian Prime Minister which was followed by the act of Indian military and slap to the selective Indian polity and their likes

What does UNSC head utters in the following video and in the second video, US think-tank states that Pakistan is in a bind of its own making, because of the current Indian governments policy



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBL5PE4Ga_8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CS7PjbRz2Y

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CSC & VED: The LAW used to blast man-made structures was the Instalaza C-90, procured back in the year 2000. No 84mm Carl Gustav was ever used. Have uploaded the C-90's photo above.

madforexbii said...

@CSC which photos are you talking about !!??

Arpit Kanodia said...

"""he bulge joins Indian territory with a 40km distance in between both countries and touches India’s National Highway-1, which is the lifeline of the entire Kashmir Valley. If PA troops manage to get effectively operational in three to four days at the tip of the bulge, the NH-1 could be cut of totally, rendering the entire north of India paralysed, as all supplies and winter stocking in the Valley is done by this route, for Indian troops."""

Sir,

Then what is Indian preparations to protect NH-1, if invasion came from that bulge?

Vinay Tevatia said...

आदत खराब हो गई। ना पूरा orop दिया ना 7th cpc और उम्मीद रखते हो पूरा पैसा वसूल ने का।

RAT said...

When did you post the images? We have been waiting for a long time.

Rajesh Mishra said...

So Mr a Bhadrakumar did not question the existence of the surgical strikes as many political leaders have done.

Pratap said...

Sir, after the deal for 36 Rafales next logical step would be to chose Rafale for production in India. But given how desperate Saab is and how generously they are offering tech transfer could IAF go for it despite the fact that Gripen lost in field evaluation trials.

Arh93 said...

Prasun'da recently Raytheon tested a land based SM-6 missile linked with an F-35 fighter to destroy a medium altitude subsonic over the horizon target. Us navy calls this naval integrated fire control- counter air? Can IAF or IN do that with our A-50I, EMB-145 AWACS & Barak-8? Drdo developing something like that? Thanks rad for bringing up this issue.

financeblogger said...

Pakistan's desperation, calling America, a declining power and conveying that we will sit in the lap of China and Russian :), in the following article

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-news/nawaz-sharifs-envoys-call-us-a-declining-power-say-pak-would-move-towards-china-russia-3067833/


Mr. Prasun, request your opinion on the above

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To FINANCEBLOGGER: That Pakistani nitwit's anti-India tirade has been legendary since mid-1999 & he is also a certified political turncoat. He obviously wasn't aware of what was transpiring back in Islamabad during his overseas trip. And this is what was going on:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1288350/exclusive-act-against-militants-or-face-international-isolation-civilians-tell-military

http://www.dawn.com/news/1288400/why-arent-we-taking-action-against-hafiz-saeed-pml-n-lawmaker-asks

Then there's this:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1288197/bumpy-road-to-china

And then this: Pakistan’s Mounting Debts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVINF9U3ZkE

Lastly, there's all the CPEC-related project financing loans from China, ALL of which are US$-denominated. Not one of them is Yuan-denominated. So anyone from Pakistan who's having wet-dreams about jumping into the laps of China or Russia would first have to find alternatives to the US$. And neither China nor Russia can afford to do so. For, even when it comes to weapons sales to China or India, Russia always inks contracts that are payable in either US$ or Euros.

Blgr said...

Hi Prasun,

Why not get one of the prototype UCAVs from Europe if the US is not wiling to sell combat UAVs. Granted we might take time to establish the infrastructure but we will have complete control on our assets.

sumit said...

Dada when our regular infantry will get mku or tasl ballastic helmets and bulletproof jackets and a proper camo uniform?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SUMIT: They already are getting all such gear. Deliveries are already underway.

To BLGR: Who says India is being denied UCAVs? If anyone is, there are certified nitwits afflicted with 'terminal stupidity'. For operating UCAVs, the IAF will require a dedicated comms satellite of its own just like the IN's GSAT-7. Therefore, anyone claiming that the IAF craves for UCAVs while not in possession of its own dedicated comms satellite is essentially claiming that it's entirely possible for the tail to wag the dog!

To FINANCEBLOGGER: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Called-a-thief-and-liar-over-Kashmir-Pakistan-representatives-threaten-US-with-new-Russia-China-tie-up/articleshow/54722969.cms

And here's the video of how that Paki nitwit got arse-whipped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdYY9JNP0AU

BLR said...

Prasun;
Apparently some journalists visiting ASTE yesterday were told that the next surgical strikes will be undertaken by the IAF and that they are not waiting for another terrorist attack for that to happen. In the last three days armed IAF jets have repeatedly crossed into PoK but most incredibly were not challenged!

Now as far as I know even during Kargil, PAF made sure no IAF jets crossed over. Seriously I'm having a hard time believing this, can you check with your sources?

Anonymous said...

Sir, I the Google Earth image uploaded by you of Athmuqam shows a place marked as pak army garrison, which infact is shown as DHQ Hospital on Google maps. Your guidance , sir.
SIDDHARTH

prashant said...

sir, why is a dedicated satellite required for UCAVs ?
why cant they be operated like UAVs..?
cant it take command to release weapons just like commands could be given to other equipment aboard UAVs ..like cameras..radars ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BLR: LoLz! So now ASTE is spelling out OP-PLANs that are supposed to be the pregorative of IAF HQ & its subordinate Theatre Commands! ASTE is only concerned with trials & evaluations & its pilots are are experimental test pilots trained in the US & UK. So let's not take all such rumours seriously.

To SIDDHARTH: If that's the DHW Hospital then why has the Jamaat-ud-Dawa been running medical welfare/aid camps in all these areas? Has the PA inked any medical relief outsourcing contract with the JuD?

To PRASHANT: Why? Because that's what the laws of physics state. Tactical UAVs are controlled by ground control stations that are WITHIN line-of-sight (so that the transmittrer & receiver are all directly in touch with one another without any physical obstruction) while UCAVs as well as UAVs operating deep within hostile territory operate BEYOND line-of-sight & are therefore controlled by ground control stations using SATCOM & this consumes a lot of bandwidth.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: Watch this video showing the map of eastward movement schedule of the Mangla-based Corps towards the Jammu-Sialkot corridor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXFoSZWSVCA

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJESH MISHRA: The skeletons are now rapidly dropping out of Pakistan's closet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxiPFPPGZcw

Clearly a highly embarrassed China is no longer willing to extend unlimited support to Pakistan & Pakistan's civilian politicians are now clearly rattled & alarmed, since they stand to lose the most if their ill-gotten wealth in Dubai, UK, the US & Canada are attached & frozen by the US Justice Dept in case Pakistan is declared a terrorist state. So now the Paki politicians are putting all the blame on the PA to save their skins. And if indeed a crackdown begins on the JuD, LeT & JeM, it will trigger a full-scale civil war within Pakistan's Punjabi heartland, thereby threatening the very foundational ideology of Pakistan in the very near future.

Furthermore, recent undeniable revelations within Pakistan's National Assembly about Pakistan extending sanctuary to Khalistani separatists in the 1980s will further reinforce the case for declaring Pakistan a terrorist state. In the case of PoK, India's declaratory surgical strikes inside PoK (proof of such strikes has already been shared with all friendly countries, rest assured) now proves beyond doubt that a country that uses a certain piece of real estate for exporting terrorism & subversive warfare has no moral right to exercise any form of control or jurisdiction over such a piece of real estate. This is how India's case for the unconditional return of PoK back to India is most likely to be presented worldwide henceforth & there will be several takers for this POV.

financeblogger said...

Following statement is a part of reply to RAJESH MISHRA

And if indeed a crackdown begins on the JuD, LeT & JeM, it will trigger a full-scale civil war within Pakistan's Punjabi heartland, thereby threatening the very foundational ideology of Pakistan in the very near future.

You have stated "IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE". What time frame are you indicating?

vishakh said...

Hi,

Rafale price of 91 Million / piece is quite close to 85 Million of F16, 90 Million to Griphen and Advance F18. Regarding 90 Fighters IAF is planning what Industrial Offset Rafale can offer specially when France has UCAV and 90-110 Seater Plane manufacturing experience. Which company may offer best Offer in terms of Industrial Offset...

Unknown said...

Dear Prasunda

Today news that john kerby has show clear intent to not declare pak a terrorist state. so now assets of nawaz sharif and other politicians may not get frozen. in that case will they again resort to chest beating. i guess it is a right decision to with hold declaring pak a terror state now till next presidential elections. because as you rightly pointed out a civil war like situation should be allowed in full term of the next president so that pak can subsequently be defeated militarily once it internally gets bogged down totally. please share you thoughts

regards

kunal

financeblogger said...

As stated by Mr. Prasun, following video (from 13:30) states that loans are being raised to repay the loans and Pakistan is in a circular debt. Also, the real estate owned by public sector (motorways, airports, PTV, eye on Radio Pakistan real estate etc) are being used as collateral to raise loans and questioning the valuation of real estate. Also there is a look out for real estate owned by Pakistani government/public sector against which loan can be raised.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTDUau4XgO4

Senthil Kumar said...

Dear Prasun,

http://idrw.org/how-the-surgical-strikes-have-altered-pakistans-proxy-war-game/

Well written article.

Thanks
S.Senthil Kumar

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,
I still wonder how are we going to have 45 sqn.in IAF. With 120 Tejas and additional 100 Rafales we will be just replacing the MIG 21 and 27s in numbers context. FGFA won't come before 2025 at best and when they arrive they will be replacing the Jaguars in terms of numbers. I believe this is the reason RM and IAF chief talked about one other fighter that need to be inducted.
Options as per my thinking is to further increase the numbers of Rafales beyond 100 or order MII Gripen about 150 in numbers or may be both.
How do you think we could have 45 sqns?

Arpit Kanodia said...

@financeblogger PKS saying IF crackdown begin, which is very unlikely.

All Pak Fauj, COAS, PM and President, all take oath to protect the ideology of Pakistan first, then later protecting Pakistan as state. And in the end constitution and citizens.

Rajesh Mishra said...

To: financeblogger >> I propose Nearly 18 Jan 2017 to 27 May 2017 can be the most likely and strong peak period going against pakistan. Pakistan or its part that if survives this period will become very strong and remain warlike till 12 July 2017. Then from 12 July 2017 onwards pakistan again will go weak and there can be the civil wars, violent peoples insurrections or muslamic infighting for about 2 months. I hope matter will be decided in India’s favor somewhere within this period.

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir,

Whats your opinion on if war broke out on LoC, then Indian Army cross the so called Working Boundary?

And attack where? Marala Headworks , Mangla Dam or Sialkot itself? And then they do the pincer movement to cut the Azad Kashmir from Pakistan?

Arpit Kanodia said...

""""On paper, to the north, those PA battle formations that are LoC-specific and Chicken’s Neck-specific are the Mangla-based I Corps that comprises the Gujranwala-based 6 Armoured Division, Kharian-based 17 Infantry Division and the 37 Mechanised Infantry Division also in Kharian; and the Rawalpindi-based X Corps that includes the Gilgit-based Force Command Northern Areas, Murree-based 12 Infantry Division, Mangla-based 19 Infantry Division and the Jhelum-based 23 Infantry Division, Formations allocated for operations along the Shakargarh Salient are the Gujranwala-based XXX Corps comprising the Sialkot-based 8 Infantry Division and 15 Infantry Division; and the Multan-based II Corps made up of the Multan-based 1 Armoured Division, and the Okara-based 14 Infantry Division and 40 Infantry Division. Thus far, no significant forward deployments of any of these formations have taken place. """

Sir,

That seems like lot of troops in Sialkot sector, seems like Marala Headworks is well defended and even capable to launch offensive in Chamb Jaurian.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

An-32RE Flight Simulator RFI: http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=del847145&wno=1&td=TD

IAF RFI for Aerostats: http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=del847949&wno=1&td=TD

IAF RFI for High-Power APARs: http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=del854254&wno=1&td=TD

IAF RFI for Light Bullet-Proof Vehicles: http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=del855701&wno=1&td=TD

IN RFI for 120-metre NG Corvettes: http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=del856091&wno=1&td=TD

In March 2016 the MoD approved refit of four more submarines of the Kilo class. The refit will extend their lives by another 10 years. The first boat arrived at the Zvezdochka yard in July 2016 for the process which will take up to two and a half years. The second submarine will go to Russia next year. “However, for the next two vessels, the MoD wants the refit to be done in India,” said Baranov. “We have chosen Larsen & Toubro (L & T) as our partner. Our teams have visited the L & T shipyard in Kattupalli near Chennai. It is an impressive facility, but it will require some modifications to start work on the Kilo class refit. We are talking to them.” (Source: http://forceindia.net/WaitingforP-75I.aspx)

Translation: Wasteful MoD expenditure has been incurred on upgrading Vizag-based Hindustan Shipyard Ltd to refurbish the Type 877EKM SSKs, starting with INS Sindhukirti. So now in addition to HSL, L & T will have to learn how to refurbish the Type 877EKM SSKs, i.e. two Indian shipyards learning to do the same job, i.e. sheer duplication of effort & waste of financial resources.

And everything one wants to know about the Rafale MMRCA contract:

http://forceindia.net/DoneDeal.aspx

Since the Rafale MMRCA contract was inked between two respective MoDs, can one now claim that India has violated the DPP's norms by not inking a procurement contract directly with the prime contractor OEM Dassault Aviation, since that OEM is not govt-owned? Clowns like the present-day RM should not realise that what goes around (like his rants in Lok Sabha about the AW-101 deal), comes around to haunt. As it is he's emitting soundbytes about the IA's cross-LoC raids as if he was the leading pathfinder of such raids! And also drawing outrageously preposterous analogies with hanuman. If Hanuman is supposed to be a Lord, i.e. a supernatural blessed with wisdom & intellect far beyond the imagination of mortal human beings, then he should very well know what his strengths & weaknesses are & therefore would not have made 'eureka-type' discoveries of his prowess. I guess this RM is prone to drawing inspiration & lessons only from 'Chandamama' & 'Amar Chitra Katha' comic-books. He should now be asked why is L & T the favoured Indian contractor for the Type 877EKM refurbishment project if HSL has already acquired the skills & infrastructure for doing this same job. Let's see what excuse he has to offer.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VISHAKH: The RFI for 90 MRCAs is a jokem because the IAF's CAS has clearly stated that offers of Gripen NG, F/A-18 Super Hornet & F-16IN Viper are all UNSOLICITED, i.e. there's no firm, stated reqmt or procurement request as yet. So, technically, even HAL can respond to this RFI with the offer for Tejas Mk.2. And so can Dassault Aviation.

To VED: FGFA won't surface until the definitive turbofans are developed. Immediate priority therefore is to re-engine some 100 Jaguar IS on a war-footing with F125 turbofans & they will be good enough for both deep-strike & tactical interdiction. The IAF's force structure planning for 45 squadrons is based on the premnise of extending close air-support to the IA apart from its primary missions of air superiority, deep strfike & tactical interdiction. If the IA is allowed to procure the 114 LAHs armed with ATGMs along with sizeable number of Rudra hunships, then the IAF's demands for according CAS for the IA will be considerably lessened. A single-seat version of the Combat Hawk customised for the IAF by being armed with lightweight LGBs & SFWs will be more than enough for targetting rear-area field artillery gunpits of the adversary in the western front.

To ARPIT KANODIA: War won't break out just yet, because Pakistan lacks the financial resources reqd for waging it and half of the PA is now glued to the Durand Line frontier, while India will not unilaterally go on the offensive as she does not want to be accused of being a warmonger. Instead, India will provoke an offensive reaction after mid-2017 or early 2018 from Pakistan by revisiting the IWT. In that case, if the PA starts moving towards the WB in the Jammu-Sialkot sector, then the IA & IAF will draw the advancing armoured/mechanised formations into a trap spread along a wide arc & in a short but savage war of attrition totally annhilate those formations. The IAF's ISTR capabilities today are far superior than what the PAF has & therefore the PA will never again be able to mount surprise attacks of the type it had launched in 1965. But more about all that in the next thread.

Vikram Guha said...

PrasunDa,

The RFI for the Next Gen Corvettes that you posted any idea which Indian shipyard is best placed to address this requirement & which foreign vendor they will tie up with?

Regards

VIKRAM

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: You're overlooking crucial 2 points: 1) All these PA formations have had to contribute troops to the western front along the Durand Line; & 2) The remainder will have to contend with the IA's three Strike Corps worth of formations. Also, NLOS-BSMs like BrahMos-1 will be used for destroying permanent bridges & rail yards/junctions, thereby depriving the PA of crucial transportation nodes that are reqd for switching formations from one Corps sector to another.

To VIKRAM GUHA: The same hull design as that desired for SW-ASW vessels & NGMVs.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Emergency procurements being expedited for IA & IAF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0EufmeN-qw

prashant said...

sir, u once did a piece on ATGMs, LAWs & grenade launchers in indian army service..& their numbers in each unit.
i am trying to find that piece..if u remember the title & the date of posting it..i.e if u have an index of your postings, then please give the link.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PRASHANT: That was sometime in the latter half of 2016, I think, dealing with approvals for new hardware accretions.

To LUDWIG: The Netra quadcopter mini-UAV is already in use & was shown by ZEE in a news-clip pertaining to the Yudh Abhyas 2016 joint exercises in Ranikhet, Uttarakhand.

To UNKNOWN/KUNAL: Before India wants any other country to declare Pakistan a terrorist state, India should be the first one to declare Pakistan a terrorist state. After all, charity begins at home & one must practice what one preaches. In France, the same day of the Paris terror attacks, the entire French Parliament convened in an emergency session & in one single night it passed more than 30 emergency resolutions. Compared to this alacrity, just see how some politicians from ALL parties are behaving like lunatics & demanding proof of cross-LoC counter-terror raids, as if they want to visualise those video-clips like the computer games played in XBox or Sony Playstations!!! In the meantime, this Parikkar fella has totally forgotten to bring the alleged AW-101 corruption investigation to its logical conclusion (when he had on-record promised to put pressure on the ED & CBI), while that Surjewala fella had not so long ago had alleged that the Govt of India & the IN were complicit in hiding the truth about the leaked Scorpene design/performance data. In other words, these shameless, opportunistic politicians will readily malign & denigrade institutions like India's armed forces at the drop of a hat & at the same time try to outdo one another in terms of proving their patriotic/nationalisti credentials. Be it from the BJP or Congress, these retards are all two sides of the same coin.

prashant said...

thank you, sir..i found the required article.

it says 1914 javelins will be procured for infantry..& 12000 smaw-2ne.
have these contracts being inked ?
if not, whats the status ?

also it talks about TAC-4G network for 17 corps..a few days ago i saw a 3g cellular network being dedicated to some corp..probably 17 corps..the news might have been a few weeks old.

why is the IA procuring 3G systems now ? in an era of 4g comms ?

& who is this TAC4G system for ?
for use at what army level ? section, platoon, company, battalion, brigade, division ?

does this entail giving army men civilian sort of mobile handsets ? instead of the convention manpack radios ?
if yes..does each soldier get this ?

prashant said...

sir, is there some way to read the whole article.
http://www.forceindia.net/FutureShock.aspx

if not..please reproduce the content here..please.

Pierre Zorin said...

In 1971 wasn't air defence/ radars known in India? How else could PAF planes enter and bomb airfields without getting detected?
Unlike what Arpit K said about PAK military/government - Indian politicians have a reverse commitment- to their pocket first, family second, media third and somewhere like a speck - to their motherland.
Then regarding the proof of strikes: they are happy to sound alarms at so called bribery, scandal etc without a shadow of evidence and yet when it suits them they cry out for evidence before they would believe the truth!
Regarding Parriahkar's excuse for 2 yards doing the same stuff- seeing Prasun you mentioned Chandmama magazine, wasn't there an irritating series about some Betaal who kept returning to the tree and the King or someone kept taking him off the tree, listened to a story and repeated the whole thing? Funny that I see the same in the politico-military world in India. Yes, why would one wait for a Western nation to call Pak a terror state when India still have them in the MFN books?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PIERRE ZORIN: That was in 1965. In 1971 the dusk air-strikes were totally ineffective. Today we see the PAF possessing not a single twin-engined combat aircraft in its fleet.

An do watch what Israel does to prevent even a single soldier from being kidnapped or abducted, by invoking the HANNIBAL DIRECTIVE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wF9GkOPEUY

Senthil Kumar said...

Dear Prasun,

http://idrw.org/walk-talk-team-tejas/#more-110897

Walk the talk with Tejas Team.

Thanks
S.Senthil Kumar

Pierre Zorin said...

Thanks for the link, saw it. My observations are as follows: 1) Only in Israel people discuss freely such actions and there are people who are opposed to the killings - there is NO provision of such in the Palestinian side and no one will condemn killing of Israeli civilians but will justify any attack under Israeli atrocity - parallel to Pakistani mentality and actions. They would never try to use political means to end any dispute so India's response should be akin to the Hannibal Clause in a slightly different way - flatten all infrastructure and houses suspected of harbouring militants 2) Responses seeing dead children and wounded civilians range from disgust, horror and outcry. Precisely the face Hamas and the militants want the world to see. They know Israel if provoked will hit hard and this is why they carry out their activities within the community - in fact, they use the civilians as baits precisely so that an Israeli strike will kill more of them than any of the militants. This in turn will turn civilian attitudes against Israel, generate hate and produce more fertile grounds to spawn terrorists from a young age - desperate for a revenge. Exactly the same tactics used by PA.

Pierre Zorin said...

Yes 1965 but also 1971 as one of the many docos mention air raids on India https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJs8KKHHdc

Vikram Guha said...

PrasunDa,

Based on the great explanation that you have provided about duplication of efforts in the case of the Type 877EKM SSK, isn't this new RFI for 7 Next Gen Corvettes also another example of duplication of effort?

(1) Already GRSE is building corvettes, so why ask other Indian shipbuilders to design Corvettes?


(2) Which foreign vendors in your experience are the best designers of Corvettes in the world?

Regards,

Vikram

Senthil Kumar said...

Dear Prasun,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=536eROdrvrw

Advanced Indian Special Forces by National Geo Channel.


Thanks
S.Senthil Kumar

AVI D said...

Hi Prasun,

I know he isn't your most favourite reporter (and I can't say I put much trust in what he says) but you must have come across news item of this sort.
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2016/10/iaf-kicks-off-contest-to-make-single.html

There has been quite a bit of noise, including utterances of both RM and ACM Raha of creating a second assembly line of another type of aircraft. The noise around F16 and Gripen keeps growing, but it makes no sense. Have another LCA type or have another MRCA (in case it was F18). What is your take on it?

Ludwig said...

Sir, is there a way I can contact you separately?

Varunn said...

I know this guy is a moron. But is there any truth in this report www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/iaf-kicks-off-contest-to-make-single-engine-fighters-116100800638_1.html

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To AVI D: What was issued on October 8, 2016 was a RESTRICTED RFI for a single-engined light MRCA. That same RFI was also issued to ADA & ADA will offer the Tejas Mk.2. If a foreign design is selected, that will be the end of the Tejas MRCA's R & D programme. The Tejas Mk.1A or whatever else be its designation, as long as it makes use of the existing Tejas Mk.1 airframe design, it will be a sub-optimal integrated weapons platform no matter how beautifully it flies & enthrals all the fanboys. That the 'techies' at ADA have completely failed to design a functional & effective weapons platform is no longer in doubt & if a 4.5-generation can't amanate from ADA, then what's the guarantee that a 5th-generation AMCA will be a complete success? No wonder no R & D funding has been released so far for the AMCA. So now, in order to cover-up the DRDO's mother-of-all national embarrassment, i.e. the Tejas LCA R & D project, all kinds of idiotic & therefore indefensible excuses are being offered, such as Saab helping ADA with the Tejas Mk.2 & AMCA, when it is evident that the shareholders of Saab will never agree to any proposal for creating any competitor (like the Tejas Mk.2) to the Gripen NG. And why should a light MRCA like Tejas Mk.1 be made to drop 1,000lb bombs (if Cmde Balagi's anmswers to Kindergarten-level questions posed by Shekhar Gupta are to be believed)?

To SENTHIL KUMAR: That's BSF, not the IA's SF (Para).

To VIKRAM GUHA: GSL. MDL & GRSE have all made corvettes. In terms of nos, GSL has built the maximum number. Private shipyards will find it tough to build them, as exemplified by Pipavav's troubles with the construction of five 2,000-tonne NOPVs. As for foreign OEMs making corvettes, the market leaders are Saab/Kockums/Thyssenkrupp, Fincantieri & DCNS. If the Visby corvette design is selected as the baseline hull design for all 3 classes of vessels reqd by the IN, then that will be a financially & technologically viable solution. Russian offers are unlikely to be treated seriously since the Russian military-industrial offers are focussed entirely on licenced-production & are unfamiliar with the financially attractive concept of global supply chain-based industrial offset programmes that aim to create industrial eco-systems within the buyer's country. That's the main reason why China grabbed all the military-industrial technologies from Ukraine, the CARs & some more former Soviet republics in the Baltic so that it could maximise industrial output in-country & as a result, China today has drastically reduced its dependence on Russia for new-generation naval platforms.

Aditya said...

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2016/10/iaf-kicks-off-contest-to-make-single.html?m=1

Mentally Retarded A$$Hole is once again spreading lies.There is no limit to his shamelessness.

"The confidential document sent by the embassies is not technically a “Request for Information” (RFI), which is a precursor to a “Request for Proposal” (also known as a tender). However, it serves the same purpose, which is to determine which vendors are interested and what they are willing to offer."

He writes an entire article based on assumptions and expects to be taken seriously.

Srinivasa Nanduri said...

Hi prasun,

Is tejas mk2 a dead proposition now? And are we going to get Saab Gripen NG? And what might be the expected timeline for additional orders for Rafale.

Also, will army finally bid adieu to Insas rifle at last. If so what are the replacements. FN Scar or MCIWS?

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri

Ludwig said...

Sir, Is India learning anything from the speed of naval expansion by China, the speed with which they are building ships is Insane. Why are we still so slow?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ADITYA & SRINIVASA NANDURI: The Tejas Mk.2 R & D project is very much alive & thriving & will be an excellent competitor to the Gripen NG. Next-Gen SLR for IA will be 100% indigenous. Additional Rafale orders will follow every 5 years.

To LUDWIG: The level of obsolescence of PLAN is far higher than that of the IN & therefore the former's reqmt for new-build vessels is higher & more urgent. In addition, the PLAN's immediate neighbouring adversaries comprise Taiwan, Japan, ROK Navy, the US Navy & some ASEAN navies. In comparison, the IN's only adversary in the immediate neighbourhood is the PN. Hence, the build-up levels & scales of the IN & PLAN cannot be compared.

Ludwig said...

Sir, even then our ships are under armed when compared to Chinese ships, does the theory that there is empty space on kolkatas and vishakhpatnam for SRSAM and Nirbhay, correct?

Gopu said...

Just wondering, why doesn't the navy, or I guess any of the other forces, charge a fee for unsatisfactory work or projects that overrun project deadlines. The idea would be that fees exponentially increase so a 2-3 month delay will not be as bad as a 3 year delay.

I guess part of the reason is that DPSU shipyards don't have adequate financing ahead of time to guarantee this, but it's high time DPSU's rely on their own funding to generate profits. After all, if a DPSU cannot generate profits in the economic long-run, there's a strong argument that that DPSU should not exist (most likely because foreign OEMs are providing the solution that the DPSU should have provided).

Similarly, the MoD's ammunition spending spree (ie: mm rockets, T-72 ammunition, etc.) in preparation of future events is a clear indication that OFB cannot cater to the force's needs, especially in times of emergency when production is increased dramatically. So who is going to buy the argument that the OFB can cater to the force's needs if the MoD plays orders in 5-year increments? Clearly, the OFB does not deserve to be the exclusive ammunition producing agency in India. Perhaps, now might be a good time to entertain the private sector in this matter?

In your recent Rafale write up, you have quoted that the M88-2E4 produces 100kN of dry thrust and 150kN wet thrust. Unless the IAF decided to uprate that engine for a ridiculously short engine life, those numbers are not possible for a 900kg engine.

Also, can you clarify when IAF Rafales will carry nuclear missiles?

Anonymous said...

Dear Prasun. why these Pakistani wants to interfere in India's internal matters. http://idrw.org/pakistan-senate-panel-recommends-targeting-modi-and-his-rss-ideology-of-hindutva-an-express-tribune-report-says/. VINOD KUMAR

rad said...

hi prasun
the iaf chief says we are looking out for a contemprory fighter apart from t he rafale , and he seems to be favoring the gripen. you have mentioned that the lca mk2 will be an excellent rival to the gripen . Wont it mean duplicating the need ?The many billions to buy the gripen would be better used for the lca if the drdo , arde, Hal buck up \their act.
what in your opinion would be the the best next fighter and why?.

If russia trying reach to pakistan or is it a threat to blackmail india?

you said the next SLR will be 100% indian , why so , becasue the army will never agree for substandard stuff like the insas again

spanky's Blog said...

Hi prasun,
Just came across this article. Do you think there is any truth in this

http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/operation-ginger-titfortat-across-the-line-of-control/article9202758.ece

thanks
Swarop

Anonymous said...

“Pakistan has deployed 200,000 troops on the western border with Afghanistan to fight terrorists. If tension with India increased, Pakistan will have to shift troops to its eastern border,” the senator said while talking to APP.

please make this clear if PA has all links with major terror organizations then with which terror organizations they are fighting with?

Regards
Ron

Spykar said...

Also,

http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/k/slide_8_240_45702.html

See the first 2 pics. It says that a PA drone recorded one of the surgical strikes. Cant be ruled out i reckon.

Spykar said...

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=143&v=LT7WvEgnapE

Can't vouch for it either.

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir whats ur opinion abt OP Ginger

http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/operation-ginger-titfortat-across-the-line-of-control/article9202758.ece

Ved said...

Hi Prasun,
"The Tejas Mk.2 R & D project is very much alive & thriving"
"The Tejas Mk.1A or whatever else be its designation, as long as it makes use of the existing Tejas Mk.1 airframe design, it will be a sub-optimal integrated weapons platform no matter how beautifully it flies & enthrals all the fanboys"

Going by the above two quotes of your's are we having a major modification in the airframe of Tejas MK2?
You got any idea how the ADA is redesigning the airframe. If that is the case then instead of going again through all the cycles of testing and validation, Is it not prudent to go for Gripen provided SAAB gives complete transfer of technology to cut the long time short?
Your opinion please...

The Indian said...

Prasun,
Well researched article!My compliments.However sincere request to protect your blog and its information from unauthorized elements!By the way you are yet to answer my questions from earlier thread!

Pawan Kumar said...

Dear Prasun da,

From AM Saha's interview, It means GoI is planning to acquire not only targeted 126 Rafales but also a another aircraft to reach the target of 42 squadrons by 2027. While Single engine jets like LCA & "new RFI single engine" would fill gap for retiring MiG 21 & MIg27, Rafales would fill the gap between existing squadrons & 42 target strength.

Do India have any plan to buy additional Falcon AWACS from Israel. Current number of just 3 seems too small to provide 24X7 coverage in case of war/hostilities

Regards,
Pawan

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

PrasunDa, Subho Aosthomi. May you & all your loved ones be blessed by Ma Durga.

Staying with Durga Puja are the hymns/mantras recited by priests during Durga Puja taken from the Vedas & Upanishads?

If yes, are the ancient Vedas,Upanishads maintained in their original form even today & can they be accessed by common people?

Thank You

financeblogger said...

Beware of grostesque #ISIbuffolo doing rounds of TV channels masquerading as an Indophile.LikeTV show Americans he is A deep PAKI Asset

https://twitter.com/ManishTewari

The above twitted by Manish Tewari of Indian National Congress. Further tweet clarifies reference to Tarek Fatah.

I request you to explain "What has resulted, post surgical strikes by Indian Army, that the politicians have stooped to such lows. Is it because of elections in UP, Punjab or is/are there any other reason/s?"

Awaiting your explanation.

financeblogger said...

The below is a follow-up to my previous comment and seeking explanation for the below as well.


Also the tweet on October 8th by Manish Tewary making a case for presenting evidence of surgical strike, with the following link embedded along with the tweet of Randeep S Surjewala

http://thewire.in/71640/ndtv-censor-news-compromises-national-security/


On October 7th 2016, Manish Tewary tweeted "wrt stand taken by Indian government on triple talaq and polygamy in the court" that there is no case for Uniform Civil code

Spykar said...

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2016-10-09/doc-ifxwrhpn9458058.shtml
http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2016-10-09/doc-ifxwrhpm2716461.shtml?cre=milpagepc&mod=f&loc=1&r=9&doct=0&rfunc=45

It says.. " In recent years, China in the Chinese northeast, southwest, southeast and northwest has built a series of new large-scale land-based strategic early warning phased array radar, early warning and constitute our strategic anti-missile system, which is second only to the United States.."

Four LPARs? ..Does it mean that the India specific LPAR is ready? If the report is to be believed, apart from the one facing taiwan, where are the other supposed three LPARs located?

...Is this the LR-SAM missile to be used for BMD? Bears a close resemblance to Russia’s 9M82/9M83 missiles :

http://eng.mod.gov.cn/Photos/2016-08/02/content_4705851.htm

Spykar said...

Can you believe it:

http://www.defencenews.in/article/India-be-declared-Terrorist-State,-demands-White-House-Petition--8604

Things that i am hearing nowadays are interchangeable for shit. We got too many traitors. I guess they all are trying to make some noise before their eventual doom.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/armys-vshorad-tender-to-go-for-reconfirmatory-trials/article9204513.ece?w=alauto

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Ground reports from various locations along the Muzaffarabad-Kel Road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVFi4Ib_knY

Don't pay much attention to the delusional programme anchor who obviously has no idea where exactly the surgical strikes took place!

To SPANKY's BLOG/SWAROP & ARPIT KANODIA: Yes, it is all very true. Pakistan's Border Acation Team, BAT, on July 30, 2011 had stormed inside Kupwara's 19 Rajput Battalion, while a handing-taking over process was on between 19 Rajput and 20 Kumaon Battalions belonging to 28 Division, and beheaded four Indian soldiers and took their heads along with them to the other side. The IA report mentioned four soldiers of 19 Rajput being beheaded.

In January 2013, the ceasefire frayed after jihadists beheaded Lance-Naik Hem Raj and Lance-Naik Sudhakar Naik, with the Opposition calling for retaliation in kind. The fighting had its genesis in events the previous October, when disputes over defensive fortifications in Uri led both sides to trade fire. Following a series of bloody clashes, the Directors-General of Military Operations of the two countries met to cool down tensions, though skirmishes continued through the winter. Long before the dispute over border construction, though, several similar cross-border clashes had taken place. In March 1998, an Indian special forces unit is alleged to have killed 22 in Bandala in the Chhamb sector. The Pak military claimed to have recovered an India-made watch from the scene of the carnage, along with a hand-written note which asked, “How does your own blood feel?” The Bandala massacre is alleged to have been carried to avenge the massacre of 29 villagers at Prankote, in Jammu and Kashmir, by the Lashkar-e-Taiba.The Lashkar attackers slit the throats of their victims, which included women and infants. Large-scale civilian killings did not take place again, but the Indian army continued to dish out at least as good as it got. In May 1999, as the Kargil war broke out, Captain Saurabh Kalia, along with sepoys Bhanwar Lal Bagaria, Arjun Ram, Bhika Ram, Moola Ram and Naresh Singh, were kidnapped by Pak troops. Post mortem revealed that the men’s bodies had been mutilated and burned with cigarette-ends. Late in January, 2000, seven Pak soldiers were alleged to have been captured in a raid on a post in the Nadala enclave, across the Neelam River. The seven soldiers were allegedly tied up and dragged across a ravine running across the LoC. The bodies were returned, according to Pakistan, bearing signs of torture. There have been a string of smaller incidents since the ceasefire went into force. In June 2008, Pak troops attacked the Kranti border observation post near Salhotri village in Poonch, killing 2-8 Gurkha Regiment soldiers in Jawashwar Chhame. Pak officials allege Indian troops retaliated by beheading a soldier and carrying his head across on June 19, 2008, in the Bhattal sector in Poonch. Finally on August 30, 2011, Pakistan complained that three soldiers, including a JCO, were beheaded in an Indian raid on a post in the Sharda sector, across the Neelam river valley in Kel—retaliation for the decapitation of two Indian soldiers near Karnah.

Back in 1972 the IA had crossed the LoC and established military outposts a mile-deep in the Chorbat La sector and had established four posts in the Qamar sector in 1988. The IA also seized the ‘Anzbari Feature’ near Kanzalwan in 1992, returned it after the DGMOs of the IA and PA spoke on the hotline, but then recaptured it again after OP Vijay in 1999.

Then in 1997 when I K Gujral was the PM, a major operation by Gurkha Rifles in Ghumri resulted in an entire PA infantry company HQ of the NLI being decimated through concentrated 106mm RCL & 160mm Soltam heavy mortar fire.

sbm said...

Wouldn't the 106mm RCL still be a useful weapon on the LoC ? I mean ok phase out for anti-tank use but bunker busting. There must be thousands around. What happened to them all?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: Yes, it was, is & will be but its usage will be limited to very selective types of terrain & right now lots of them since the 1990s have been positioned on bunkers behind the observation posts similar to the arrangement involving usage of L-70s from bunkers. Nor can they be phased out for anti-tank use becaue a vehicle-mounted RCL can be devastating when it is well-concealed by either crops waiting to be harvested or in the midst of high 'Sarabandi grass' that grows throughout the northern Punjab-Jammu plains along both Shakargarh salient & Chicken's Neck areas. To get a good idea of the most ideal battlefield for armoured warfare, watch this from 1.12 till 3.48:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drlO8E2pHB4

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Narendra-Modi-government-asks-arms-suppliers-to-be-prepared/articleshow/54774930.cms

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