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Wednesday, September 7, 2016

Homegrown LUH Takes To The Skies

Yesterday, as Pakistan’s armed forces were celebrating their 51st ‘Youm-e-Difaa’ (National Defence Day), the Ministry of Defence-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) conducted the 15-minute-long maiden flight of its homegrown, multi-role, 3.15-tonne, single-engined Light Utility Helicopter (LUH), 440 of which are required for the three armed services of India (125 for the Air Force, 259 for the Army and 56 for the Navy) over the following decade.
Yesterday’s LUH maiden flight was the culmination of seven years of R & D, this being indicative of a longer-than envisaged R & D period for the prototype. The MoD, it may be recalled, had sanctioned Rs. 376 crores for developing the LUH and HAL’s Rotary Wing Research & Design Centre (RWR & DC) began working on this project in February 2009. The MoD had then specified a target date for each of the LUH’ R & D milestones: building a full-scale mock-up; the design freeze; maiden flight; and attainment of Initial Operational Clearance (IOC). Back then, HAL had promised to freeze the LUH’s design by late 2010; conduct the maiden flight of the first prototype by 2012; obtain the certificate of airworthiness and IOC clearance by 2014, and begin delivery of series-production models by 2015.
But, as expected, none of those targetted milestones were met. The LUH’s design was frozen in only 2013 and its sole full-scale mock-up for evaluation and assessment was ready only by February 2015. Only after that did work begin on building a ground test vehicle (GTV) for design validation and testing of all dynamic systems, and the three projected flying prototypes for flight-tests and airworthiness certification. As of now, the revised milestones call for the flight-tests and airworthiness certification processes to be completed by 2019 at best, with IOC being targetted for 2021. All-in-all, therefore, a delay of six (06) years.
Such delayed attainment of the specified R & D milestones have been witnessed in case of the homegrown, 5.8-tonne light combat helicopter (LCH), work on which had begun at HAL’s RWR & DC way back  on October 3, 2006 when the MoD sanctioned a sum of Rs.376.67 crores for HAL to design and develop the LCH over a 24-month period. Powered by twin Ardiden 1H (1,200shp TM333-2C2 Shakti) engines, the first LCH prototype—TD-1—completed its first ground-run on February 4, 2010 and its maiden flight was logged on March 29, 2010. 
Exactly a year later, the Indian Air Force (IAF) placed a production indent with HAL for procuring 64 LCHs.  Three months later, the LCH’s second prototype, TD-2, made its maiden flight on June 28, 2011.  The third prototype—TD-3—made its maiden flight on November 12, 2014, while the fourth and last prototype—TD-4—took to the skies on December 1, 2015.
The LCH was originally targetted in 2006 to achieve its IOC by 2013, but as of now, it has yet to complete its weapons-firing trials (due to delayed availability of the DRDO-developed HELINA IIR-guided ATGM) and its self-protection sensor suite (comprising radar warning receivers, laser warning receivers and missile approach warning system) has yet to be integrated with the airframe. IOC attainment now is not expected before the end of 2018. The estimated delay in milestone attainment is six (06) years as well.  
The LUH, powered by a single 750kW Turbomeca Ardiden 1U engine along with a HAL-developed main gearbox and a Turbomeca-designed transmission, will have a maximum all-up-weight of 3,150Kg, have a range of 350Km and service ceiling 6.5Km (21,300 feet), and a seating capacity of six passengers plus two pilots. The LUH, being multi-purpose, will carry out various roles such as armed reconnaissance, troop transport, CASEVAC, ferrying underslung cargo, search-and-rescue, and flying training.
Just like the 5.5-tonne Dhruv ALH and LCH, the LUH will contain an avionics suite developed by HALBIT Avionics Pvt Ltd (HALBIT), which was created in May 2007 by Israel’s Elbit Systems, HAL and MerlinHawk Associates Pvt Ltd. The suite will include an: integrated AMLCD-based glass cockpit, a chin-mounted ‘Compass’ lightweight FLIR turret licence-assembled by the MoD-owned Bharat Electronics Ltd, a HAL-developed multi-bandwidth software-defined radio, and the Colour ANVIS NVG night vision goggle. The self-protection sensor suite, supplied by Sweden’s SaabTech (and identical to those installed on the LCH and the ‘Rudra’ helicopter-gunship version of the Dhruv Mk.4 ALH), will be installed and integrated by HALBIT.
In addition, several force-multiplier options are on the table for incorporation, since a low-flying LUH will be especially vulnerable to threats such as difficult terrain, enemy fire and the intersection of utility wires in the flight path, and will therefore often be required to operate in a Degraded Visual Environment (DVE), adding to the already heavy workload and leaving flight crews to rely on NVGs to accomplish their mission. Factors limiting the pilots’ FOV include: complete darkness, poor weather conditions, brownouts, whiteouts and sandstorms. 
To overcome such shortcomings and limitations, Elbit Systems’ BrightNite solution is now available. BrightNite enables utility helicopters of all types to successfully perform DVE missions in more than 90% of night-flying situations, providing them with piloting capabilities of attack helicopters.
Lightweight and compact, BrightNite is a multi-spectral end-to-end panoramic piloting solution that delivers the essential data directly to both eyes of the pilot, enabling intuitive flight in a head-up, eyes-out orientation in pitch dark and other DVE conditions. For helicopters like the Rudra and LUH, this unique solution comprises a FLIR turret and highly sensitive Complementary Metal-Oxide Semiconductor (CMOS) sensors that present an ultra-wide field-of-regard intuitive image to a display system that projects into the ANVIS helmet-mounted NVG. The display is overlaid by a synthetic layer that follows the contours of the landscape and a third layer of 3-D conformal symbology, which displays hazards, mission-conformal symbology and tactical data. Multiple crew-members can simultaneously scan the entire field-of-regard, using a single sensor and the synthetic world, thereby enabling them to fly in common line-of-sight.
Like the Dhruv/Rudra and the LCH, the LUH too adheres to the following FAR/MILSPEC standards:
* US Army Aeronautical Design Standard-33E (ADS-33E)
* Flaw-Tolerant Rotor System: FAR/JAR 29.571, AM 29-28
* Crashworthy Fuel System: FAR/JAR 29.952, AM 29-35
* Flaw-Tolerant Drive Train with Over-Torque Certification: FAR/JAR 29.952, AM 29-28
* Turbine Burst Protection: FAR/JAR 29.901, AM 29-36
* Composite Spar Main & Tail Rotor Blades with lightning strike protection: FAR/JAR 1309(h), AM 29-40
* Engine Compartment Fire Protection: FAR/JAR 29.1193
* Redundant Hydraulics & Flaw Tolerant Flight Controls: FAR/JAR 29.571, AM 29-28
* Aircraft-Wide Bird Strike Protection: FAR/JAR 29.631, AM 29-40
* Crashworthiness Standard: NATO’s MIL-STD-1290
* Crashworthy Seats conforming to MIL-STD-1472B
* Cockpit Instrumentation Lighting Conforming to MIL-STD-85762A
* Avionics Databus: MIL-STD-1553B or ARINC-429
* Autopilot Accuracy: MIL-F-9490D
* Embedded MIL-STD-188-141B ALE Link Protection
* Embedded MIL-STD-188-110B data modem
When operating as an armed aeroscout platform for battlespace surveillance, the LUH will be armed with twin rocket pods housing 2.75-inch rockets supplied by Belgium’s FZ, and four Mistral ATAM air-to-air missiles from MBDA.
Series-production of the LUH will be undertaken at a greenfield facility set up by HAL at BiderehallaKaval, Gubbi Taluk, Tumakuru, about 70km from Bengaluru. The foundation stone for this facility was laid on January 3, 2016 by India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi. 
For radically improving the LUH’s hot-and-high operating parameters and enhancing flight safety, an option that could well be utilised in future under the auspices of the US-India Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI), under which HAL will be required to form an industrial partnership with US-based AVX Aircraft Company for incorporating the latter’s patented modification kit into the LUH’s airframe.
With its unique blend of co-axial rotors and dual ducted-fans, the AVX  kit offers greater aerodynamic and fuel efficiency, speed, range, payload, improved hover-out-of-ground effect (HOGE), and the ability to operate in hotter temperatures and at higher altitudes than any of today’s conventional light helicopters. It also reduces brown-out conditions in the landing configuration since, thanks to the ducted-fans, the helicopter can use a 5-degree nose-down or even-level approach to the landing zone. This increases flight safety by giving the pilot a greatly improved view of the landing zone.

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Aditya said...

Prasunda,
lovely article, as always.

will the navy also opt for hal luh? Eurocopter AS565 Panther not in contention? i was of the impression that the navy wanted a twin engine option.

also,what will be the production rate?

Ravi said...

Prasun da,
Can we leave the indus water treaty and divert the water of those rivers for our purpose?
We can link the amount of water release by us to the pakistan's support of the terror. By this way we will be able to force pakistan to act against terrorists.
Please comment.

Magicbullet said...

Sir ...as usual very comprehensive and informative .
So at last either one if not both the teens seem to be arriving plus the engine tech..while rafale continues to be a mirage...the French seemed to have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Your comments on this sir.

Mukund said...

Hi Prasun da,
How is HAL LUH compared with other LUH, say, from Eurocopter? This is one-engine helicopter. Isn't it better to have twin-engine powered helicopter for military purpose?
Mukund

Rajesh Mishra said...

If DRDO-developed HELINA IIR-guided ATGM) and its self-protection sensor suite (comprising radar warning receivers, laser warning receivers and missile approach warning system) has yet to be integrated with the airframe, then please inform as to when this integration is going to take place. Actually I am too much afraid of DRDO in non-nuke matters.

Ludwig said...

Any merit sir, or just another piece of yellow journalism
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/us-links-future-of-joint-jet-engine.html

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Shocking & damning documentary aired yesterday on how The Maldives is being run like a mafia-state:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15N9K3wXh0Y

And of course all such dirty tricks were learnt in Malaysia & were abetted by Malaysians, the very same Malaysians who in the past had helped Malaysian & Indonesian timber tycoons from Kalimantan to launder their money & invest them in places like Honhkong SAR & Australia.

Gerald Shastri said...

Sir,

1. Any progress on the Taurus KEPD-350 type ALCM that DRDO was said to be working on?

2. Which international helicopter manufacturer is HAL working with for the NMRH and IMRH? Is the AVX JMR in consideration?

http://www.hal-india.com/Product_Details.aspx?Mkey=54&lKey=&CKey=70

3. Will the LUH require a more powerful engine for the AVX conversion kit? What about vibration and other aerodynamic issues?

RASAYAN said...

Not related to above but nuclear threat from our neighbour is mentioned in the article. http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/you-and-almost-everyone-you-know-owe-your-life-to-this-man/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=link_fb20160908ph-krulwichman4&utm_campaign=Content&sf35334706=1

Spykar said...

https://www.facebook.com/notes/livefist/exclusive-new-system-spotted-on-rustom-ii-male-as-first-flight-looms/1354604044566925

Not junked i guess..

Srinivasa Nanduri said...

Hi Prasun Sir,

Great read. Nice pics.

Will this mean that India will not order KA226 anymore. Also are we really going for 3 frigates from Russia?

And slightly offtopic, is ARDE's MCIWS an indian version of Taiwanese T91 Assault rifle.

Thank you.

Regards,
Srinivasa Nanduri

DHol said...

Prasun,

Did I hear it right? In the last link you posted of Al Jazeera, the money is being transferred through State Bank of India?

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir,

You stated some time ago

"""I had a chance encounter with the Malaysian Chinese tycoon--the late Tan Sri Eric Chea in 2006--one evening at a Hotel in Kuala Lumpur who was formerly the CMD of Perwaja Steel Co of Malaysia and towards his last years was wrongly accused and dragged to the court for the heavy financial losses sustained by Perwaja Steel throughout the 1990s. What he told me in confidence at that time was that if things really got worse for him, he would once and for all reveal that in the early 1990s it was the then Malaysian PM Dr Mahathir Mohamad who had 'borrowed' about US$4.2 billion from Perwaja Steel (a government-linked company, or GLC) for financing the war effort of the Bosnian Muslims (by buying weapons made by Pakistan and Iran), money that was never returned back to the company.""

Do you think current Maldives president was also involved like such? And with such massive scandals that a President want to bomb his own Auditor General, why not India intervening?

Arpit Kanodia said...

And why not India intervening to reestablish Mohamed Nasheed?

When US threatened by similar type of situation, they invaded Panama.

Spykar said...

Modi :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr0KpClWAAAd3rI.jpg

And On the other side :

http://www.dawn.com/news/1282876/

Lolz

Rajesh Mishra said...

The actual problem with pakistan is that those who are fit to join the army, they join the politics and those who are fit to join the politics, they join the the army. Now additionally to them those who are fit to join the religion they join the terrorism and those who are fit to join the terrorism they join the religion. The consequential results are clearly evident.

megaman said...

Question sir: Why doesn't India tries to build an advanced version of A-10 under DTTI as CAS for IAF, I mean it's service ceiling would allow it to easily work in mountains as well as plains. With modern electronic counter measures it should have much higher survivability? A company like TATA can build the aircraft and it won't need much testing too.

john said...

Hi,

http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/china-has-stealth-defeating-quantum-radar-reports-116090900060_1.html

A Chinese firm has developed and tested a radar system that uses quantum entanglement to beat the stealth technology of modern military craft, a media report said.

Could you please comment on this...

rad said...

hi prasun
Is the Bae fitting a f125 engine for the combat hawk? increased thrust and leading edge slats?. we could have a winner like the gnat. Is india involved in the funding and is there a commitment to buy the combat hawk?

Ganesh said...

Hello Arpit, I know this is for Prasun, my two cents, because India is not US and Pakistan is not Panama, these types of fantasies does not help the cause; meticulous planning and timing is paramount

Spykar said...

North Korea just confirmed its 5th nuclear tests. Biggest one as of yet at 5.3 M acc to USGS. They are calling it an 'Explosion'.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us10006n8a#executive

What else if not an N-bomb? Not a naturally occurred earthquake for sure. Sniffing planes from US and Japan already in the region collecting atmospheric samples but the North Koreans are also claiming that there was no radioactive leak as it was an underground nuclear detonation.

Do you think that the time is approaching for Pakistan & North Korea's nuclear warheads to be located & be captured or made defunct.

The Seeker said...

@Rajesh Mishra

Well said. I guess that is the reason for their military to be their dominant political institution and terrorism as their foremost state policy.

Arpit Kanodia said...

@Ganesh Which cause you talking about? India is not ideological country that based on a cause.

And in supreme national interest countries do everything, not in some fantasies. And tell me Mohommed Nasheed is in Indian interest or current President? Even when Sri Lankan also pissed off with current govt. of Maldives.And Nasheed freely doing meetings with his party members in Colombo.

http://colombogazette.com/2016/08/31/sri-lanka-has-no-concerns-with-activities-of-ex-maldives-president/

Maybe for you, India is some nonsense power, but not for me. Maybe people in 1970 also thought same, that India is a nonsense power.

accidental loser said...

When Combat Hawks can take over the same role with ease, why should there be a need for another plane. Either way no CAS A/c is expected to do a straffing run in future against the enemy armours which itself will be most definitely equipped with QRSAMs and MANPAADs in abundance.

Spykar said...

A Fun Read :

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2016/09/09/comment/my-experience-with-arnab-goswami/

The punchline is "Arnab Goswami works to promote the activities of Indian spy agency Research & Analysis Wing (RAW)"

That bullshit is baffling even by Pakistani standards! Though Barkha, Sagarika, Rajdeep etc would like to pick it up from there.

Also, looks like pak666 will be engulfed from all sides if it doesnt die a natural death all by itself :

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/will-close-pak-s-transit-route-to-central-asia-if-not-allowed-to-trade-with-india-ghani/story-vRm33SJ9q6E2EOnsBrOBPJ.html

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Replies to queries from the previous thread:

To SBM: LoLz! If that was the response from DRDO, then if I were in your place I would have given those officials two tight-slaps each for trying to insult my intelligence! What good is a missile interceptor if its fire-control system itself is totally imperfect? I had already uploaded before the image of the ARSEEK Ku-band seeker & even when compared with seekers of BVRAAMs, the sheer lacl of packaging density of the ARSEEK becomes evident, meaning the ARSEEK is nowehere near its contemporary counterparts. The same goes for the airframe design of the PAD. Consequently, the end-user’s preference for alternatives like THAAD or S-400 should not come as a surprise to anyone.

As my old friend & college senior Ashley Tellis recently remarked” “individuals are entitled to their own opinions, not to their own facts.”

To SPYKAR: WRT DPRK’s SLBM R & D effort, what you are claiming is that between October 2014 & August 2016, the SLBM was test-fired only thrice & within this short span of time the DPRK decided to switch from liquid propellant to solid propellant—a thesis that goes against all laws of physics & economics since no industrialised country has been able to duplicate such a feat within such a timeframe. As for the DPRK’s repeated claims of exploding nuclear devices, no one has so far discovered any radioactive residue in the atmosphere after such ‘tests’ & it is therefore perfectly feasible to mimmick a nuclear explosion’s seismic aftershocks with kiloton-level explosions using conventional TNT.

Finally, about the mission sensors meant for Rustom-2 MALE-UAV, I had uploaded the image & data way back in 2014:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ve1EYGU9x58/UvOskVeJedI/AAAAAAAAGiw/eSWYofBpxSQ/s1600/DRDO-Developed+SAR+Payload+for+Rustom-2+MALE-UAV.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q8A1k6ZdZEQ/UvvGcee9j-I/AAAAAAAAGp8/S7g6HaEMZNA/s1600/Rustom-2+MALE-UAV's+SAR+Mission+Payload.jpg

Needless to say, they’re way too bulky when compared to what’s now readily available from abroad, & that too with AESA-based antenna. This DRDO prohect therefore has all the ingredients reqd for ending up as just another wasteful technology demonstration project, just like the realier & much simpler Rustom-1 UAV.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIKRAM GUHA: That news-report on SSNs is what I had explained way back last March itself about the IN’s preference for a Russia-designed SSN whose components & structures will be supplied by Indian vendors already certified by Russian OEMs to undertake such industrial activity. For, if a vrand new design from a different OEM is selected for the SSN, then the arduous process of qualifying new Indian industrial vendors for creating a complete industrial eco-system will have to start from scratch, thereby causing severe delays in deliveries.

This then brings us to yet another recent ill-informed rant by the ‘desi’ bandalbaaz’: “Since these voice and data channels--called Data Link-11 and Link-16--are guarded under CISMOA, the P-8I has been equipped with older communication links that could be intercepted. The absence of these links also prevents the P-8I from generating a Common Tactical Picture with friendly regional navies, who operate over CISMOA-protected links.”

In reality, the term ‘Link-11/16’ denote only the encryption standards, & not data-link hardware. The hardware is nothing but an airborne tactical radio operating in UHF or C-band or S-band or Ku-band that has air-to-air, air-to-ground direct line-of-sight connectovoty or via SATCOM uplink & downlink. One only has to upload an encrypted software on to such radios to make them secure & use them as data-links for various purposes (i.e. voice, imagery, data sharing). Thus, the MILDS data-link on the Rafale is like the JTIDS of the US, but since it uses a software-defined radio (SDR), it will be able to function even without Link-11/16. It’s all explained here:

https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/White%20Paper%20-%20Link%2016%20Overview.pdf

On aircraft of the IAF & IN, the data-links have 2 components: the hardware, which are HAL-developed SDRs (developed between 2007 & 2011) operating as data-links in conjunction with ECIL-developed secure voice.imagery.data encryptors, & the encryption software that operate in the national secure mode (NSM). For warships, a similar arrangement called LINK-2 exists. The same protocol applies to software-defined IFF transponders. Therefore, to claim that the IN’s P-8Is or IAF’s C-130H-30s are ‘INFERIOR” due to the absence of Link-11/16 data-links is spectacularly outrageous & totally untrue. In fact, the data-links of the IAF & IN, making use of SDRs, can easily be programme before any mission to enmesh with any multinational tactical nbetwork in the air, on ground & at sea.

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Prasun K. Sengupta said...

And here’s a prime example of how such ‘enmeshing’ that has enabled the IN to exercise with its US & Japanese counterparts during EX MALABAR & how it all works WITHOUT recourse to Link-11/16:

“The Combined Enterprise Regional Information Exchange System, or CENTRIXS, is a reliable system that allows combined forces to communicate through secure SATCOM channels and share information in a tactical, real-time setting, thereby creating created enhanced interoperability. CENTRIXS has been the great enabler, allowing ship-to-ship operational dialogue between exercising navies in both text and Web-based formats. CENTRIXS comprises a collection of coalition wide-area networks (WAN) known as "enclaves" which include CENTRIXS Four Eyes (CFE), for the US, Australia, Canada and UK; CENTRIXS-J for the US and Japan; and CENTRIXS-K for the US and South Korea. The establishment of additional CENTRIXS networks is determined by the demands of the particular exercise or world situation. The sturdy, user-friendly system is operated from the standard laptop computer, with assistance from some heavier hardware including an intimidating 250-pound, rack-mounted electronics system. On the lighter side, there are two additional laptops and a portable International Mobile Satellite Organization terminal for optimum connectivity. With CENTRIXS you can have one on one chat with different allied forces, exchange information, view pictures, documentations, and mission progress of other allied forces as long as they are all on the same server. Another aspect of CENTRIXS is its ability to navigate its Website even if there is no Internet connectivity. The advantage of CENTRIXS over other more traditional methods of secure communication is its versatility and ease of operation. Text-based exchanges often eliminate confusion or misinterpretation of messages. CENTRIXS thus expedites the communication process while maintaining system integrity. Global interoperability and interconnectivity in an easy-to-use format is what makes CENTRIXS the dynamo it is. These are the ingredients that provide seamless communication channels to combatant commands, national agencies, foreign partner nations and the participants in the EX MALABAR experiences. Its use of instant, plain language information exchange has been crucial to the success of various EX MALABARs. CENTRIX is therefore one of the most significant transformational efforts currently underway in combat operations and is thereby the global architecture in use by US Central Command and the US Pacific Command that allows US forces to share information and operational planning with allies.”

Cont’d below..

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

As for the Communications Compatibility And Security Agreement COMCASA, unless this agreement is inked, India will not be able to tap iunto the ‘Fish Hook’ seabed surveillance network that was set up way back in 2006 & by 2012 it had already extended to the Andaman Sea. For, if I were thje world’s sole superpower, I cannot be expected to await forever the entry of another partner into such a network, & I therefore will will have to take u7nilateral steps to cater for my own interests & security without breaking any international law. In any case, the sensors in the Andaman Sea’s seabed are all in international waters & no approvcal from anyonw is required to position them there.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: There are a lot of rumours floating, especially of Indian origin, about ICBMs or IRBMs being kept inside cannisters for 10 years. In reality, any multi-stage ballistic missile cannot be kept inside a sealed cannister for more than 6 months, since their various stages have to be regularly examined * their navigational systems & sensors & fuel-flow pumps have to be checked & re-calibrated. That’s why only those ICBMs that are stored in silos are kept on ready-to-launch standby. The SLBMs on board SSBNs are always removed the moment the SSBN comes back from its operational patrol. BMs like the Russian RSD-10 Pioneer solid-fuel, two-stage IRBM, RS-12M Topol-M & RS-24 Yars all have had their storage areas (known as Harbours) where they are checked & assembled prior to loading up on TELs for dispatch to their pre-determined/pre-surveyed launch areas in the Urals & the wastes of Siberia. For China, the storage areas are 2 "Underground Great Walls” (Dixia Changcheng) in the mountainous regions of Hebei Province in northern China & Delingha in the Qinghai Plateau where the DF-21s & DF-31s are stored in disassembled manner . The network of tunnels reportedly stretches for more than 3,107 miles, & the outermost layer is 1,000 metres [3,280 feet] deep and covered with steep cliffs & canyons. There are also BM final-assembly facilities (inside mountain-sides) in Datong, Delingha, Fujian, Haiyan, Hairou & Nanjing. Each such site has close to 60 scattered launch-pads.

Coming to India, SLBM & ICBM deployment practices/procedures are similar in concept. But when the DRDO began developing the Agni-1/2 series of BMs, it was done without even asking for any operational inputs from the IA or IAF, which was horrific. The IN was different because it had DIRECTLY negotiated with Russia the acquisition of both SSBN-related (with RUBIN) & SLBM-related (with NPOM) industrial tie-ups throughout the 1990s without the DRDO’s interference & hence had access towel- proven designs & concepts. And Russia was more than willing to share them with India to demonstrate its outrage over China’s acquisition of every type of USSR-origin BM-related proprietary know-hows/know-whys from Ukraine under Beijing’s Project 863 & Project 937 military-industrial leapfrogging programmes. The superiority of the IN’s apporoach to BM-related R & D was proven in 2007 when the then NSA M K Narayanan directed former CNS Admiral Arun Prakash to conduct a 3-month-long technical audit of the IN’s approach versus the DRDO’s BM-related R & D approach, & the clear inference emerged in favour of the IN’s approach. That’s why the Agni-3 was axed, the Agni-4 was re-engineered, & the Agni-5’s R & D process got delayed due to the need for radical re-design. The Agni-5’s final configuration will therefore be almost identical to the K-5 SLBM, whose design in turn will be a solid-fuelled version of the Soviet-era R-38 RIF SLBM that was developed & produced by NPOM.

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Prasun K. Sengupta said...

Coming now to deployment patterns, there are BM storage areas dug into mountain ranges in central & northern India where the Agni-1s & Agni-2s & Agni-4s are kept in disassembled state. When the need arises to deploy them, they will be assembled & installed on their wheeled TELs & towed out to nearby launch-pads not far away (within a 3km radius) within mountain gorges & canyons. They cannot go any farther because unlike China & Russia & the US, India does not possess vast wastelands like Siberia or Inner Mongolia or the Gobi & Taklamakan deserts where multiple BM final-assembly areas can be established. In India’s case, therefore, in order to possess a survivable second-strike strategic deterrent, the SSBN/SLBM combination is the best one to adopt & not the land-based IRBM/MRBM/ICBM option, where are only an interim solution pending the arrival of SLBMs with intercontinental range. In other words, the Indian strategic deterrent ought to be modelled onlines similar to those of France & the UK, which rely entirely on SSBN/SLBM & manned aircraft/ALCM combinations.

Coming now to cannister-encased BMs of China, a simple visual comparison of the design configuration of the DF-21A with those of the newer DF-21C/D, DF-31 & DF-26 reveals how cannister-designs have progressed in China AFTER data & materials became available from Ukraine in the 1990s. And the much vaunted DF-21Ds & DF-26s, touted as ASBMs, were never meant to be direct hittiles against aircraft carriers. Instead they’re all armed with EMP-generating multiple warheads that will be launched as area weapons covering an area with 200nm diameter. The PLAN estimates that a salvo of 3 such BMs each releasing 3 warheads in the general; area of a CBG will temporarily blind the CBG’s sensors & disrupt their SATCOM-based networks.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SPYKAR: LoLz! You seem too surprised by the bigotry spewing out from both India & Pakistan! While it is true that on TimesNow there's absolutely no room for logical reasoning & each one there revels only in outshouting one another, in Pakistan everything levelled against that country has always been claimed as being 'false-flag' operations because that's their MINDSET of living in self-denial. The only solution to all this is to present undeniable evidence through communications intercepts (like the one handed over by the US NSA to the NIA) to the UNSC Sanctions Committee so that even China is powerless to veto it.

To AJ: LoLz! Indians truly have short memories, at least the common citizen. When the USSR was designing & building the naval base for the IN at Vizag, at that time itself the Govt of India had agreed in writing to allow the Soviet Navy's intelligence gathering vessels disguised as fishing trawlers & operating in the Indian Ocean to have access to Vizag naval base for replenishment of perishables & crew-change & this continued all the way till 1991! In other words, Indioa had inked a LEMOA-type agreement with the USSR way back in the early 1980s itself. Furthermore, an exact copy of the Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship & Cooperation inked on August 9, 1971 was also offered to the US for signature that same month by then foreign minister Sardar Swaran Singh, but the US had then declined. It's all now part of the record in M K Rasgotra's already published memoirs.

To CSC: No guided BVR firngs from the Tejas Mk.1 in a guided mode has taken place as yet & this process will be time-consuming since integration work involves both the EL/M-2032 MMR & the Targo HMDS.

To MAGICBULLET: Why the unprecedented wooing by the US? Simply because India requires it too. Can India say no when the combination of US, Japan, ASEAN, ROK & Taiwan are all asking India to pull more weight & stop underestimating herself?

To THE SEEKER: THAAD is proven, S-400 isn;t as yet against BMs.

To S SINGH: It's only a test facility with long-term applications in mind. This very same facility can also be used for testing engines like HTFE-25.

To ADITYA: I have clearly stated above that are combined LUH reqmt is for 440 units inclusive of 56 for the IN.

To RAVI: That won't be necessary, because the more the flow of water into Pakistan, the greater the flow of sediment as well, which will result in greater silting of its rivers & canals & this in turn will cause them to break their banks & lead to widespread flooding & devastating.

To MUKUND: All LUHs used as armed aeroscouts are single-engined.

To RAJESH MISHRA" The user-trials of the Rudra/HELINA combination should be completed by late next year at best.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To GESSLER: The reason why there care fewer weapons silos inside SSBNs is due to changes in the concept of strategic deterrence. For instance, can can Beijing be determined as being a more important target than Shanghai? Or Delhi more important than Mumbai or Bengaluru? Strategic targetting today is more about effects-based strikes & not total annhilation through massive retaliation. In addition, there's the need for SSBNs to retain their existing physical dimensions because as more internal space becomes available, the greater the chances of ROVs of various types for various purposes being accommodated within the SSBN to make it a truly survivable platform. Both surface-based & underwater ROVs can now engage in persistent surveillance & tracking of underwater adversaries so that the SSBN launching them can maintain a safe distance & remain out of harm's way.

A similar revolution is now taking place in the field of nano-satellites. Imagine one of ISRO's launchers being able to deploy a cluster of 20 to 30 satellites into low-earth orbit with a lifespan of no more than 60 days & equipped with miniature SAR sensors (like that on the Polaris/RISAT-2) & 4-G comms data-relay uplink/downlink during hostilities. The Israelis & Indians have done & are doing some pioneering R & D work in such areas.

DJ100 said...

If it is already 6 years behind schedule and not even IOC yet, what makes us think that rest of developmental process will be on time? In fact, the hardest part is yet to begin! This LUH will be not operational for decade. What a waste of resources!

Pierre Zorin said...

What Ashley Tellis said is so true. It is hypocrisy when India signed anything the USSR asked and now pretending to be too sovereign if the US offers when in reality CISMOA/COMCASA as someone said is identical to any other sale of intellectual property. Mindset needs to change otherwise forever a Lion will think it is a donkey!
far more than weaponry one needs to know what is the best in National interest - it is no longer US or Russia but strategic interest that should govern policies. If the Left front cries US imperialism - so let them be. They should then be branded as traitors for they are aligning with the Chinese. Like the US pointed out, India never said a word when similar agreements were signed to obtain VVIP transport so are they treating their soldiers and civilians expendable like dirt? One can see the Chinese mindset- let the North Korea and Pakistan do their dirty work causing digression whilst China makes its next move.

Pierre Zorin said...

If there ever was a Bond villain as a country the award goes to China - they have had this subtle world domination politics in the pipeline for years. To get the western world they needed the money and manufacturing which they nearly got and now through weapons sales to terror groups via third parties they are creating unrest and diversion. When everyone thought the Taliban was dead and buried they went after Iraq giving valuable time for the Pakistanis to re mantle Taliban and Al Qaeda. Today's Afghan war could have been ended had they stomped over the near dead Taliban and Al Qaeda. Same with China - whilst people are busy with Pakistan, IS, North Korea - slowly and surely the Chinese military juggernaut moves ahead. They have anticipated moves against Pakistan hence a military NATO like Treaty is on the cards with Pakistan. It won't be easy to knock them out like before because of the Chinese guarantee which is based on their own interest of course. This Jin Ping is proving to be a real King Pin.

Ludwig said...

Sir what is your opinion on the whole South China sea situation, Duterte seems to be moving the Philippines more and more into China camp, what can we expect moving forwards.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To DJ100: It is behind schedule because HAL's design bureau was busy developing the Rudra variant of Dhruv ALH, followed by the LCH. What should have been done was to develop the LUH immediately after the Rudra & then graduate on to the LCH. After all, the LCH's prime user ought to be the IA's Army Aviation Corps, leaving the IAF to have fun with its AH-64Es. Had that been the case, the IA's AAC would have had time to expedite the induction of the Rudra & LUHs & only after gaining experience with them & setting up their heli-bases, would the IA have had both the infrastructure & human resources necessary for operating attack helicopters like the LCH. However, the IAF's insistence on clutching on to the LCH project has made matters far worse & hence the mis-matches in timelines WRT induction of various types of rotary-winged aircraft by the IA's AAC.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To LUDWIG: Don't worry about the new Filipino President, for the ROK, Taiwan, Japan & the US--that are the main foreign investors in the Filipino economy--will soon collectively give this President a very hard knock on his head & only then will he learn how to play the tunes of Mozart on his Piano.

Tp PIERRE ZORIN: Watch this interesting documentary on US-China-Taiwan relations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK4W8e5Xy10

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

More from the 'Know thy Enemy' series:

JF-17 Final-Assembly at PAC Kamra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYveJ0XaQ3U

PAF Academy Risalpur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F8SXCdHgQo

PAF Academy Risalpur 9-9-2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS5fMyaXSg8

PAF Minhas 7-9-2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phtcNtkam3U

PAF Korangi Creek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgmWz9C3l_8

Pakistan Navy Marines 7-9-2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iMTiAcooUE

Pakistan Navy Marines 8-9-2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOrgW3q6NZI

Stolen Paradise in Chitral: 8-9-2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIImRR16IWs

ISPR Docu-Drama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VFIpEXYyHc

ISPR Docu-Drama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdRF2R2Imj4

ISPR Docu-Drama Gumnaam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VGQGh43o6U

The Seeker said...

Sir,

1. India was said to be developing an exo-atmosperic kill vehicle. Any chance India to be working with Raytheon on that front? When will India field a full fledged ASAT weapon ?

2. Will the countries hosting the US bases in Gulf countries, such as Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE & Saudi approve a third party such as India to use of it's military facility?

Spykar said...

Dada, Many Thanks

A few more questions. Just trying to know our enemies better..

1) Why can be the reason behind China resurrection of the An-225? For china its unparalleled payload capacity may open a new frontier in military air transportation or as some are claiming, it can also used as mothership for drone operations besides as a space launch platform.

2) What will be the implications of the 'long-term defense & strategic pact' that pak and china are negotiating ?

3) What defences do we have againt the Chinese AR-2 MRLs deployed at TAR? Have they deployed the AR-3 and the WS-3 in TAR? DRDO was aloso said to be working on a desi verion of the Smerch. Any progress on that? Any word on acquiring the Iron Dome?

Spykar said...

You said ""WRT DPRK’s SLBM R & D effort, what you are claiming is that between October 2014 & August 2016, the SLBM was test-fired only thrice & within this short span of time the DPRK decided to switch from liquid propellant to solid propellant—a thesis that goes against all laws of physics & economics since no industrialised country has been able to duplicate such a feat within such a timeframe."

---------------------------- North Koreans are always known to punch above their weight. I think you are discounting the China-Pak-Iran connection (they dont have any ideological/physical/economical hangovers) here if not some divine intervention.

""As for the DPRK’s repeated claims of exploding nuclear devices, no one has so far discovered any radioactive residue in the atmosphere after such ‘tests’ & it is therefore perfectly feasible to mimmick a nuclear explosion’s seismic aftershocks with kiloton-level explosions using conventional TNT. ""

----------------------------- Dont believe Kim, thats understandable; but When the POTUS says its a NUCLEAR TEST you better fall in line :

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/09/09/statement-president-north-koreas-nuclear-test

What my question is... that since sanctions have already been imposed on almost everything possible, the means by which the United States, South Korea and Japan can put pressure on North Korea have reached their limits, the policy is at an impasse, so now does the only option remaining is multinational punitive surgical strikes?

sbm said...

I did - figuratively of course. PAD is a goner. PDV and AD-1 and AD-2 are still nascent although AAD is used as testbed for AD-1. Long, long way to go. BTW, SFC has engineered a slow attrition of DRDO top echelon who were spouting off without sense. Arun Prakash's approach has been adopted. Services keen on BMD but is the US smart enough to push THAAD ? I wonder. They are so focused on the F-16 deal that I sense that opportunities are being missed. That said, pressure from Russia is high for S-400. It hasn't been proven on anything except aircraft drones thus far AFAIK.

rad said...

hi prasun
you said that the sea bed fish hook sensors are in international waters in the andaman sea .How is the power supplied to them ?and how is the data from them being networked.
Is it not possible for the chinese to destroy the sensors as it is in international waters?.
is it necessary for india to have its own sensors as the US can always cutoff links if it wanted too and leave us blind . Is the tech difficult to master?.
nice write up on link 16

Pierre Zorin said...

But first Duterte will question Mozart's legitimate birth, won't he? The guy is a genuine moron, another idiot who thinks he is someone until he is shown he isn't.

The Seeker said...

Sir,

Isn't Intercept, and not tracking, is historically the hardest part of making missile defense work? Why are you hardselling the THAAD when you yourself claimed last year that "The best option is for India & Israel to co-develop an India-specific BMD interceptor derived from the Arrow-3 interceptor on the lines of how the Barak-2 LR-SAM was developed"

Aditya said...

Vmt for the answers.


It would be a logical next step to now start design work on a 10-12 ton catagory helicopter using the experience gained from alh,luh and lch programs.

Is there any chance this will be seriously persued ?

Have the army navy and airforce given combined parameters or will the requirements be too different for a single platform to handle?

It can be a replacement for the sea king,ka28,ka31 and the older mi8s which will be retiring in the coming decades.

mrshud said...

PrasunDa,

How do you see the J&K situation playing out?
Do you think this will finish soon of will this continue for another 50years?

what solutions would you recommend? non of the analysts are offering solutions only repeating the smae thing agaain and agaain.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

o SPYKAR: POTUS never confirmed it as a nuclear test. He was only condemning the claim made by DPRK. For DPRK to conduct a nuclear test means withdrawing from the NPT which DPRK had announced a few years back, but conclusive proof of any nuclear test has so far not emerged from anywhere & had such proof emerged by now the DPRK would have been slapped with hard-hitting sanctions that would have included denial of vital perishable supplies from China & a total financial blockade by Japan, from where most of DPRK's foreign exchange funds originate.

To THE SEEKER: I'm neither hard-selling nor soft-selling. Just outlining facts based on proven performance of the THAAD & S-400 so far. Israel's Arrow family of BMD interceptors have been US-financed & contain significant US military-industrial inputs & above all require fire-control cues from US-owned early warning satellites. The same goes for South Korea's Arrow BMD network. So, if India requires either THAAD or Arrow-3, she will have to ink the same kind of agreements with the US that Israel & ROK have done. The Ruskies in any case don't possess the kind of multi-tier satellite-based early warning capabilities as those of the US. For an intercept to be successful, target tracking cues are mandatory. Without the latter, the former cannot even be attempted.

kargil said...

Dear Prasunji,

Greetings!!

You said "Have just uploaded the section dealing with the SR-75 Penetrator's PDWE-based propulsion system. Later, I will upload data & diagrams of the Northrop Grumman Switchblade manned morphing Mach 3 loiotering interdictor, the Star Raker & Black Star single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) aircraft, and on Saturday will upload the most interesting part of all--that dealing with the Flux Liner ARV & its down-to-earth physics" on your previous thread "That's Air-Power for you!-1

Eagerly waiting for your rebuttal on Dr. Ashley Tellis papper on IAF Air Power and additional information on Black Star SSTO as well as Flux-Liner ARV as well as your assessment & informed opinion between Indian Navy & PLA Navy.

Also based on your reply of previous thread still waiting for the thread on Russian Black Projects or erstwhile USSR in response to US black projects.

Also please provide the conclusion part of following threads

1. "High-Altitude Manoeuvre Warfare: Perpetuating Unparalleled Feats-1"
2. "High-Altitude Manoeuvre Warfare: Perpetuating Unparalleled Feats-2"
3. "NORINCO-Built Medium/Main Battle Tanks Explained & How They Stack Up Against India's India's T-72CIA Medium Battle Tanks"

Hope for positive reply.

Thanking you,

Regards

Manoj G said...

Hello Prasun,

The Indian Navy has a Design Bureau.

1. Is this Design Bureau located in Delhi?

2. Why have they not been able to develop technologies in house? In other words if they are not designing technologies what exactly was it set up for?

Thanks

Siddharth Dhapola said...

Hi prasun !

Any details on Su 30 mki upgrade program ? What is to be included in the package ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To MANOJ G: 1) Yes, it is. 2) No design bureau anywhere in this world develops technologies because that's the job of R & D laboratories. Designing is always done for everything with products whose technologies that have already been developed elsewhere.

To MRSHUD: It will all be over in another 2 years once PoK is re-united with J & K.

To ADITYA: There can never be a single unitary MRH design that satisfies the GSQR/ASQR/NSR of the three armed services. In addition, the end-users are divided over the choice of powerplant. Some want European solutions, while others want Russian solutions.

To RAD: The seabed sensors don;t consume much power because they're listening only in passive mode. There's no form of active transmission. Their battery-based power sources can be replaced once every 2 years. To destroy such sensors, China fiorst has to locate them with seabed sonars & that is an extremely time-consuming process which cannot be kept a secret, even underwater. Therefore, without the element of surprise, no one will waste time & resources trying to find a needle in a warehouse full of haystacks. Of course it is necessary for India to develop such a network at least for screening underwater traffic near its shore-based naval bases. But India does not possess the resources reqd for deploying an entire regional network stretching all the way out to the South China Sea or Indian Ocean & therefore international partnerships are called for.

To SBM: The only obsession with F-16s & F/A-18s & Gripen NG comes from the 'desi' media corps. After India's entry into MTCR, several new developments will take place. For example, the 300km-range limit for BrahMos-1 will no longer apply. Russia's R & D on Ka-band seekers for the S-400's TMD version isn't ready as yet. But everyone's missing 1 vital point in this discourse: what kind of BMs & with what kind of CEP will be used against Indian cities & military installations & what will be their launch-pad locations & their flight trajectories? Without these vital inputs, all kinds of speculative threat scenarios & solutions are being peddled. Therefore, the fundamentals need clarity above everything else. Only then can a realistic solution be conceptualised for both defensive TMD, as well as offensive counter-force options.

To SPYKAR: All talk about China's interest in An-225 is pure baloney, as is talk about AR-2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 MBRLs being deployed in TAR for use along the LAC. The only MBRLs meant for use against India are the Type 90 122mm MBRLs at present & that too in the flatlands like Dolam Plateau. Being area saturation weapons, MBRLs are effective only over flatlands like plateaux & plains & not in mountainous terrain where precision artillery fire-assaults are reqd. Thus, all those heavy MBRLs of the PLA are not meant for use along the LAC, but more in the grasslands of the Qinghai Plateau that shares borders with various CARs.

China-Pakistan defence pact was negotiated & finalised way back in 2004. Just because news about it is now trickling into the public domain doesn't mean it is a recent phenomenon.

Gessler said...

Thanks much for the previous answers, Prasun ji!

Also, check this out -

http://www.radiotnn.com/afghanistan-bans-transit-trade-vehicles-from-pakistan-carrying-goods-to-central-asian-states/

Pierre Zorin said...

"For example, the 300km-range limit for BrahMos-1 will no longer apply. Russia's R & D on Ka-band seekers for the S-400's TMD version isn't ready as yet. But everyone's missing 1 vital point in this discourse: what kind of BMs & with what kind of CEP will be used against Indian cities & military installations & what will be their launch-pad locations & their flight trajectories?" - So is the Kalibr purchase talks just rumours? The reports even quote that the export version will be capped at 300km so as not to break international laws. I gather this refers to non specific buyers not India who is now member of the MCTR. Second with regards to your comments - isn't that what you said earlier that one needs to establish first what they are aiming at? India's approach has been like urban 4wd buyers - they buy one because the ad shows what they are capable of - yet 90% 4WDs never see the beaten track! That doco re China I saw before thus made those comments. A sexologist once asked people what is the most powerful sexual organ in the body? the answer was the mind. Chinese follow this very well other than sex of course- whilst Indian's are relying on weapons, they are playing with the mind. Even though they are never going to beat the Americans they can still make them think twice and create that little doubt that is enough to send jitters.

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Prasun Da, what's your take regarding research of Quantum Technology by the PRC ?

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/after-hack-free-satellite-china-tests-first-quantum-radar-report-1456735


Thanks -- SUMANTA

Thehundered said...

Prasun Is the Indian navy still caught up in coast security duties or is it more free now, with the expansion of Coast guard, to focus on Indian Ocean and rival navies? thanks.

http://www.aviation-defence-universe.com/indian-coast-guard-keeps-a-strong-vigil-needs-faster-procurement-though/

"Amongst the many acquisition to keep the ICG in the state-of-art and to keep in pace with planned inductions to double the force level by 2018 , last year saw an increase of 23 ships which included one pollution control vessel, one offshore patrol vessel , 9 fast patrol vessels and 11 interceptor boats, making it a 120 vessels and 62 aircraft strong force. The force has come a long way seven ships in 1978 at its inception and will keep strengthening itself, keeping in mind its growing necessity to India’s maritime security."

http://www.janes.com/article/63503/goa-shipyard-set-to-build-five-new-opvs-for-indian-coast-guard

"The vessels will be a follow-on to the six 105 m Batch II Sankalp-class OPVs that the shipyard is already building for the ICG under a January 2012 contract valued at INR18 billion."


The Indian said...

Prasun,
I heard Americans are linking transfer of aero -engine technology to purchase and manufacture of one of their jets.Is it true? And why is friend Parrikar going to Sweden?Can you please enlighten us!Are we likely to purchase some more Kilos to tide over the submarine problem?And are we purchasing the Kashtan System for our ships?If so which ones?Are we getting Guardian drones?If so how many?How many Phalcon AWACs are we having actually and how many on order and on what radar system are they based?What plan is being implemented for improving our aerial surveillance network?Can you elaborate!

Nishant said...

Does Brahmos company has industrial R AND D capacity on it's own, or is it just a mere assembler of technologies? Thanks.

Rajesh Mishra said...

India, US, Russia and their friends shall also start putting bans on Pakistan in all possible ways and manners.

Ujjwal said...

Prasunda,
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/embraer-aircraft-deal-amid-bribery-charge-drdo-seeks-details-from-company-3024992/
What is the actual scenario?

Nishant said...

Hi Prasun,
Is India's Money printing still depending on Gold Reserves? or changed to Countries Economy calculations like US and other Western Countries???

NoName said...

Was reading abt Talgo Trains. The only difference that makes is their train cars are light weight. The engine is Indian Engine and the track has no changes. Are Indian Railway Engineers fail to invest in light weight yet super strength material? Is it a scam?

Siddharth said...

Prasun da,

According to this news, Russia is interested in which ALCM: Brahmos or Zircon.

http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.in/2016/09/russian-air-force-shows-interest-for.html

Anup said...

Sir,
BAE system & Hal working on combact Hwak project. After conversation is it possible to use Hawk as a trainer?

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

PrasunDa,

1.Houthi rebels attacking Saudi Arabia is understandable because of the Shia-Sunni ethnic problems. But why is ISIS which is a Sunni group that was financed by the Saudis planning to attack Saudi Arabia? From your various travels to the Middle East what do you gather regarding this topic?


2. In reply to another poster you said that the Indian Navy Design Bureau is simply designing with products whose technologies that have already been developed elsewhere. Does this type of work make any sense? Have they been successful in designing anything?

Thanks,

SUJOY

Nishant said...

Hi Prasun,
I remembered that UPA 2 has given permission to Indian Banks to do Investment Banking (Intra day Trading, stocks, hedges, mutual funds etc). Isn't is too dangerous, given entire Banks worth can be wiped out in few transactions? like UBS Rogue Trader in London has done?

An young single UBS trader has wiped out 2 Billion USD in few txns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_UBS_rogue_trader_scandal

I know I am asking questions not related to Defence, but I want to share what I have in my mind and I want to ask you as a guide to know your thoughts.

Ludwig said...

Sir, What is the status on Mini UAVs for Indian Army, and what happened to the DRDO Imperial Eagle on that?

ShibRam said...

@NoName- Why we used to smell a rat every where? These coaches are not only made with lightweight yet high tensile aluminum it has got some spl features also. viz-CG placed at low height, pneumatic suspension with tilting mechanism to tilt the car body towards outside of curve so that the car body remain horizontal even on tracks with high bank. Means it can maintain the speed in bends. Thats the secret of completing delhi-mumbai distance in less than 12 hours. BTW these are talgos patented tech.

Siddharth said...

Prasun da,

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistan-Russia-military-to-hold-first-ever-joint-drills/articleshow/54294797.cms

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/china-russia-south-china-sea-exercises/

https://sputniknews.com/military/20160912/1045227613/india-pakistan-russia-weapons.html

Now it is correct to preassume new world re-grouping

1. Indian, USA, Australia, S. Korea and Japan
2. Pakistan, Russia and China.

CSC said...

Prasunda

There are a lot of stories about what the range of the brahmos will be post mtcr. The real range with full fuel load is supposed to be 590 kms with full payload. Is India fuelling up the under production brahmos post mtcr to full range. Also are there any changes needed in the launchers or guidance systems with the extended range and if so by when is that expected to be done

What's the news update on the 3rd Kolkata class ddg. Will it have the barak er as well as the extended range brahmos

SUJOY MAJUMDAR said...

PrasunDa, one last question.

3. Most media outlets are reporting that Ruskies will start a joint military exercise with Pakistan later this year.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistan-Russia-military-to-hold-first-ever-joint-drills/articleshow/54294797.cms

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pakistan-russia-hold-first-ever-joint-military-exercise-1580853

Is this the beginning of a new alliance?

Thanks again.

Ludwig said...

Sir, Duterte is sending a group to buy arms from China and Russia, I do have faith in what you said that the US will knock his head, but from all evidence, the head seems to be empty. The man is nuts but has 90% public support. If the Philippines do back out, the whole SCS issue will fizzle out, with the US having no legitimacy to stay there. I am not sure, but if the US wants to retain it's influence in SCS, I think it should act.

joydeep ghosh said...

@Prasun da

read the answer u gave to #gessler on sept 10 didnt i too had raised the same subject in previous thread, btw looks like Indias gamble in Balochistan may fizzle out as USA doesnt support its independent, so only way out for them is to get stuck with Pak or revive the pre 1947 option to join India

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/US-says-it-does-not-support-independence-for-Balochistan/articleshow/54304693.cms

btw i still hope to get the answers from previous thread, here i am putting them together

1. your suspicion has been proved correct http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160902000616

2. your calculation is wrong with HTT40 as Arup Raha said it will join IAF soon http://www.asianage.com/india/anup-raha-htt-40-trainers-iaf-soon-807

3. J20 in Tibet, it means more powerful jets are coming to Tibet
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinas-top-secret-stealth-fighter-spotted-in-tibet-days-after-it-warned-india-1453693?pfrom=home-lateststories

4. Scorpene p75 project shut at 6 vessels no 3 additional subs, is it true

5. the PMO was alerted by the scorpene leaks by none other than disgraced ex IN chap ravi shankaran, is it true

6. is it a good idea to give asylum to baloch leader brahumdag bugti, who reportedly has asked for it in india

you answered #Arpit - That’s why the Agni-3 was axed, the Agni-4 was re-engineered, & the Agni-5’s R & D process got delayed due to the need for radical re-design. The Agni-5’s final configuration will therefore be almost identical to the K-5 SLBM, whose design in turn will be a solid-fuelled version of the Soviet-era R-38 RIF SLBM that was developed & produced by NPOM.

7. Perhaps thats why already built 6 Agni 3 missiles were given to Saudi (as India doesnt need them), Agni-4 was re-engineered - can you specify what? Agni-5’s final configuration will therefore be almost identical to the K-5 SLBM, but doesnt that means drastic cut in weight from 50 ton to less than 20 ton?

hope to get answers this time

thanks

Joydeep Ghosh

rad said...

hi prasun

SU-35 for pakistan ?, ew jammers etc? rajnath singh trying to stop it ? where is the money for the pukes?

russia blackmailing us , what is happening?.

Rajesh Mishra said...

Pakistan666 killed thousands of Russians in Afghanistan. Russia on the path of taking revenge against pakistan. Russia sweetly leading pakistan to the deathtrap.

PK said...

Hello,

1. Rafale make in India?
2. Rafale 36 jets - 16 technologies TOT - whats that?
3. What are the chances of F16 , F18, Gripen E/F?
4. Is there any second assembly line really or just bargaining tactic?
5. Will IAF and IN together buy 200-250 Rafales (IAF 189+ IN say 50-60 or both together more)
6. why Shukla bandalbaaz is shouting against Rafale deal? Did he not get commission?

Can you focus on a new updated article on Rafale and how big numbers under Make In India will benefit India and change the potential military power versus Pakistan and China

Thank you and awaiting your reply,
PK


Devopriyo said...

I think we need to file a missing person report for prasun

Curious said...

Is the govt taking any of the suggested sort of actions or are we still awaiting a MFN status from pak

http://www.freepressjournal.in/analysis/india-must-turn-the-screws-on-pakistan-first/926006

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To JOYDEEP GHOSH: Since when did it require US approval for the emergence of an independent country? How did Bangladesh emerge from East Pakistan??? Did the US approve of it? WRT HTT-40, I remember a similar statement from the then CNS of IN, Admiral Nirmal verma, saying in December 2011 that the S-2/Arihant SSBN will commence its operational patrols by 2012. And has that happened even till this day? Therefore, don't count your chickens until they're hatched. We all are still waiting for the HJT-36 IJT that has been under development since 1999.

To RAD: Who or which entity has been spreading all such rumours about Su-35s for the PAF & that too with regularity since the last quarter of 2014? What happened to the deal for AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters? Rajnath Singh is going to Russia for an entirely different purpose that is connected with internal security & emergency response matters concerning the NRDF.

To SUJOY MAJUMDAR & SIDDHARTH: Those are counter-terror exercises under the auspices of the SCO. There's no re-emergence of any bipolar world. Even China is now having second thoughts about CPEC's viability:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/China-Pakistan-must-be-ready-for-setbacks-to-economic-corridor-Chinese-daily/articleshow/54310483.cms

To CSC: Not 590km, but 550km. No changes are reqd for avionics.

Anonymous said...

Hi Prasun,

Now that PM has called for isolating and sanctioning Pakistan for supporting terrorism, is it now a certainty that the PM will not travel to Pakistan for the SAARC meet? Is it possible that the venue will be changed to some other SAARC country?

Also, whats up will AGNI V?

Best Regards
Raj

Arpit Kanodia said...

http://mea.gov.in/Speeches-Statements.htm?dtl/27399/Second_Right_of_Reply_by_India_in_response_to_the_Statement_by_Pakistan_under_the_Agenda_Item_2_during_the_33rd_Session_of_the_UN_Human_Rights_Council

Sir your view on this?

Seems like all Indian guns are blazing.

Technology, Photograpy and Travel said...

Hello Prasunda

Can we use Russian Myasishchev M-55 high-altitude for our HALE UAV,

Ved said...

Rafale deal IGA to be signed on 23rd sept. as per various sources.

prashant said...

sir,
i was seeing this movie about sarbjit singh..the indian who was caught in pakistam in 1990.
u might have gone into the case..
do u think he was innocent or was a spy?

jags said...

Rafael deal is about to be signed. When will these squdrens be operational and ready?

Satya said...

Will this lead to production of six Make in India Project 885 Yasen class submarines for Indian Navy? https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

jags said...

Sir there are reports of paki getting 8reguments of LY-80B upgraded with ranges of 70km. Will this effect IAF in controling their air?

Anonymous said...

Dear Prasun,

http://idrw.org/india-need-not-worry-about-russia-pakistan-military-drills-russia/

India-Russia Friendship in trouble. Please Comment.

Thanks
S.Senthil Kumar

SS said...

Hi Prasur sir,

Is there any follow on project order for P-15B (Visakhapatnam Class). Is IN Design bureau pondering (conceptualize) over an entirely new destroyer design which can immediately follow P-15B? If not why not order more ships (P-15A 3 Ships, P-15B 4 Ships, P-15C - 5 Ships?) under P-15C (With more add on features and a higher degree of automation), until IN Designers come up with next generation destroyer. If Govt ship yards are having their orders full why not engage private ship yards to participate in this project (With very minimum or no profit) as they will be learning the craft of War Ship manufacturing with the help of IN (With this IN will be helping private ship yards to acquire expertise in manufacturing highly complex ships).

Dbas said...

HQ-16/LY-80, are seen as the same system when searching on the internet. It seems to me at least that LY-80 is the land version of the ship-borne HQ-16. Over 2 years ago I read on this very forum that LY-80 has a range of 70km. Its a medium range system and will impact how IAF operates. We could end up losing lots of fighters to these, especially if bought in the reported numbers. I read in one report, that they are hoping to manufacture these under license too. That will make their airspace a death trap for IAF. What do you say Parsun?

NJS said...

Prasun any updates in india's 6 nos SSN program .

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,
Read about meteors that will be coming with Rafale. However what advantage does two way data link have over one way data link. Eurofighter and Gripen are said to have two way data link with meteor but Rafale has one way data link.
Secondly except meteor and mica which are the other weapons that will equip Rafale?
Lastly which Israeli HMDS is going to be used by IAF in Rafale? Will it work with Rafale?

sbm said...

WRT F-16/ F-18. Ashley Tellis and Christine Fair along with a person at ORF - Abhijit Iyer-Mishra - are running a sustained campaign for the F-16. In fact every trip Tellis makes to India, he plugs US arms. So the effort is very intense.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: With due respect to all those names mentioned by you, NONE of them are either practitioners of airpower employment nor are they credible airpower theorists by any stretch of imagination. Simply put, the reqmts of the IAF are for 2 separate, distinct platforms: one for a twin-engined DPSA capable of terrain-hugging flight profiles; & a cheaper multi-role workhorse capable of battlefield interdiction & day/night defensive counter-air operations. For the former reqmt, the F-16 being single-engined does not fit the bill while the F/A-18E/F cannot match the payload-carrying capacity of the Rafale. For the latter reqmt, the F-16 is too expensive & therefore is not a light-MRCA while the heavier F/A-18 being a twin-engined platform is way too expensive to be used as a workhorse.

Obviously such 'armchair theorists' will not bother to go into such technicalities in detail & consequently all their estimations about the quantum & quality of 'hostile' airpower arrayed against the IAF will also be based on flawed assumptions & perceptions.

To VED: Read up about Rafale's MILDS data-link, it is 2-way. MILDS is the French counterpart of the US JTIDS. HMDS will be Targo from HALBIT Avionics, the very same as for the Tejas.

To DBAS: Only 8 Batteries of LY-80E MR-SAM will be supplied to Pakistan. Medium-range does not mean low-level as well. Consequently, the IAF has already invested in SEAD/DEAD hardware like Kh-31P & SAAW to neutralise the SAM threats.

To JAGS: I was the first one in this world to confirm way back in November 2014 that Pakistan will be acquiring LY-80E MR-SAMs.Those who are reporting it now are 2 light-years behind me when it comes to sourcing such data.

To SS: It's not about DPSUs or private shipyards building warships, but all about project management flaws that lead to exorbitant acquisition costs & long-delays in deliveries. For instance, each Project 15A DDG’s acquisition cost is almost US$950 million, while that of each Project 17 FFG is US$650 million. The cost escalation in these two shipbuilding projects has been about 225% for Project 15A, about 260% for Project 17. Keel-laying of the first of 3 Project 15A DDGs—INS Kolkata--was laid down in September 2003 and she was launched on 30 March 2006 and her commissioning was on 16 August 2014. Four Project 15B DDGs are under construction at Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd in Mumbai. Contract for construction of these four DDGs was signed on 28 January 2011. Keel-laying of INS Visakhapatnam was on October 12, 2013 and it was launched on 20 April 2015. Targetted service-induction date is July 2018. Everywhere else, construction of a DDG's hull begins within 6 months of contract signature, followed by the hull's launch within 1 year & commissioning within 3 years & this applies to only the lead vessel. The follow-on vessels are produced at a quicker rate. Therefore, in terms of global benchmarking, India's shipbuilding industry & the Naval Design Bureau & the WESEE all have a long way to go in terms of mastering the best practices in both R & D & production processes.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ARPIT KANODIA: Yes indeed, but one would like to see the same posture being adopted WRT PoK as well. It is high time the retards in Pakistan were clearly told the meaning of the term 'inalienable right to self-determination', i.e. the same principles being applied by Islamabad to J & K should also apply in equal measure to PoK & Balochistan. If the retards say that J & K dispute is UN-recognised while Balochistan isn't, then India should state that this has not prevented the emergence of new countries like Bangladesh, Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina & Kosovo through the balkanisation of Yugoslavia. If the retards claim that India broke up Pakistan through subversion & by training the Mukti Bahini, then India's reply should be that she learnt to use such tricks only from Pakistan, which used them in both 1947 & 1965 to try to wrest away J & K through force. If idiots like Pakistan's Federal Interior Minister claim that the right to armed resistance is justified for any freedom movement, then India's answer should be that the same holds true for the Balochis as well. It should also be explained that Balochistan was forcibly 'colonised' by Pakistan in 1948, whereas the princely state of J & K wilfully acceded to India through the Instrument of Accession whose authenticity & constitutional validity were recognised by both Lord Mountbatten, the then Governor-General & by the UNSC in 1949 under the Karachi Agreement. Finally, it should be made clear once & for all that if countries like Turkey have felt free to openly launch military campaigns inside northern Iraq since the 1990s against Muslim Kurds, India too retains a similar right to launch surgical strikes inside Pakistan & PoK.

China too should be told that it it feels justified in denying ADB-issued financial loans to India for carrying out infrastructure development works inside Arunachal Pradesh just because Beijing considers AP to be 'disputed territory', then the same principle should apply to PoK as well & all CPEC-related activities & China-financed hydel power generation projects inside PoK should be terminated immediately as well. China today is financially not in a position to impose its terms & conditions since its internal economy is in deep turmoil & its domestic security spending per annum has far outstripped its annual defence spending since 2011--classic hallmarks of a national security state & identical to the 2 other national security states, North Korea & Pakistan. Such spending trends are clearly unsustainable for the long-term & sooner or later all these 3 states will violently implode, which is the main reason why the US pivot to the Asia-Pacific is taking on increasing urgency. Russia is far too clever to ally itself wholly with China & will therefore continue to remain close to India, Vietnam & South Korea while it tries to improve relations with Japan.

To get a real handle on how bad exactly are matters inside China, watch this 30-minute ground report aired last night:

End of China Inc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHmk4UeK_w

Pierre Zorin said...

Why should we believe Al Jazeera? How are they any different to the Bandalbaaz? In fact a lot of stuff aired in Al Jazeera is dubious.If their news is so factually based then watch those they show about India - if you believe. This is another news channel funded by their Arab masters, carefully edited and tailored broadcasts to counter the West. Sorry I don't buy it. Obviously China being a dictatorship censors the truth and calls red black, but it is not China, it is the greedy Western capitalism that propped China to where it is today - making it the world's factory. Yes crisis is imminent in China like anywhere else but the end has been prophesied for years unend - where is it?
Where is a Charlie's war against Red China?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PIERRE ZORIN: One may or may not believe a particular narrative, but one cannot disagree with facts as shown, like interviews with Chinese officials in power. If it is they who are stating on-record that their developmental model has been seriously flawed, then who are we to disagree with such an open admission? Both implosions & explosions never happen all of a sudden. They both are gradual process with a sustained build-up.

To ARPIT KANODIA: This programme, aired last night, clearly exposes the legal loopholes within Pakistan's POV regarding J & K:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVZkLQ6wvqM

If this is the quality of Pakistan's legal luminaries, then they're pre-destined to lose all their arguments.

Also, watch this about the mess that is FATA today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_3j9cFa6U

And this interesting exchange of statements between India & Pakistan at the UN Permanent Mission in Geneva:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ngna6DgDvw

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/narendra-modi-is-implementing-the-doval-doctrine-in-kashmir/story-uPZfR9aNCPwFCD3VkTnWZN.html

The conclusions of this apologist, though, are deeply flawed & totally delusional.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

PN’s 3rd FAC-M Launched in Karachi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGObZMoYxJ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUP9bY7PuGM

INS Mormugao Launched

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCjO4ernUqU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNejXPEgR6w

Pierre Zorin said...

You replied too soon for me Prasun! I devoted my entire morning looking through the economic discussions and I take part of my disbelief back - well except the doom of China which for me seeing is believing :) Here is a discussion I found very factual and tends to support some of the Al Jazeera doco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3RmbCo5hBU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05ySGrkEW2c

BTW what is in that slim briefcase Indian PM's guard carries with him?

Unknown said...

Sir,

What do you think which security lapses occured in Uri HQ? How terrorist able to target inerior of the baee. Isnt such Forward Bases should be walled?

Alok Mehta said...

Sorry If you find this question stupid, but why can't we lob few brahmos across loc every time they attack our army ??

Thehundered said...


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Uri-terror-attack-Indian-Army-camp-attacked-in-Jammu-and-Kashmir-17-killed-19-injured/articleshow/54389451.cms

CSC said...

Prasun, we speak about desi bandalbaaz's and often rightly so. Let me introduce you to an American bandalbaaz, Elias davidson... He is both cringe worthy and comic at the same time

http://www.mwcnews.net/focus/analysis/41702-christine-fair.html

samsou8803 said...

Hi Prasunda,

What will come after improve INS Kolkata class ships? I did not find news of any new destroyers for India any where.

Sourav

Vijay said...

Hi Prasun, it seems that we are reaching ever closer to your prediction regarding 2018, with the latest happenings, and the other side will be surprised by the ferocious magnitude of our response because they passed reasonable and rational thinking long time ago

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

Tit for tat. Now Pakistan is playing Tripura, Assam and naxal card? How would India defense itself?

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

Is not it ample time to go for eliminating JeM or LeT. If we go again to UN, Chinese will go for saving their self-prostituting client ?

My heart stand by with the fallen soldiers.

Unknown said...

Hi prasun. Pakistan based terrorists have hit indian army brigade at uri resulting in 17 confirmed deaths as of now. I think this in reaction to covert operations, bwlchistan issue etc being raised by india. The state of pakistan is suicidak and no reason seems to work with them. I am not sure what options india has to give them a befitting reply post uri incident. Please could you suggest your opinion. I think we should cross loc to take advantegious heights to block all onfiltration routes.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To UNKNOWN: This was expected since the time Rajnath Singh went to Islamabad for the SAARC meeting. During that meeting, his Pakistani counterpart had clearly stated that this was a freedom struggle against an occupation force (i.e. the Indian Army) in which armed insurrection was authorised as per the UN Charter. This very same point was repeated in the TV programme last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVZkLQ6wvqM

Complicating all this is the inability of India's intelligentsia to explain to their audiences how the UNSC resolution recognises India's sovereignty over the entire undivided J & K & therefore the Indian part of J & K has never been disputed territory & the only dispute relates to PoK. It is for this reason that the UNSC had stated that Pakistan should withdraw all its personnel/citizens from PoK so that the Indian Army can be deployed there for constabulary duties. Had the entire territory of J & K been disputed, then the UNSC would have mandated that booth parties to the dispute keep their forces stationed in each other's part of J & K. But that clearly did not happen, meaning the UN clearly recognised India's constitutional & legal claim of sovereignty over the entire undivided J & K state. Anyone with a functional knowledge of English language will understand this after reading the UN resolution. And yet, several Indians are clearly unaware of this & continue to claim that the entire J & K state under India's control is disputed territory & therefore Pakistan is right in not recognising India's rule over J & K & due to all this, India's presence in J & K is viewed as being an occupation. If you don't believe me, then please watch this debate aired last night in which the Indian participants are discussing everything except the legality of the UNSC resolution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAntDho_I-U

(watch from 48.00 on how this Indian journalist obfuscates the discussion & the participating Indian (retired) diplomats are equally stupid in totally failing to explain the legal nuances of the UNSC resolution.

সুমন্ত নাগ said...

@asd, lolz tit for tat...did IAF bombed its own citizen as PAF did ? Did Indian government ever propagates people of Assam or Tripura as 'Enemy' as Pakistani propaganda does, about residents of FATA ? What do you know about trouble brewed by Naxals, what's the ethnic problem in Assam / Tripura, really is record that dismal that best self prostituting Pak land can point finger to union of India, while her own kamiz is on fire ? Does, any book under any school syllabus ever spew venom against its own citizen as Pak land does ? Does UN or any other third nation in any country rejoice about any subversive activity(es) by the Militant outfit, except some dumb headed Pakjabi's or some dim witted moronic fellows soiling every discussion threads with false ids. Searching some answer of these question will automatically find replies for it.

CSC said...

[9/18, 7:15 PM] ‪+91 98100 11752‬: As recd ...

Terrorist attacked 12th Brigade URI. At 0515 hrs, terrorist attacked Adm block of Army, it constituted unarmed soldiers refilling Diesel in barrels from fuel tanks. Terrorist lobbed 17 grenades in 3 mins, thus igniting the dump and creating massive fire burning barracks and tents in 150 m area. 13 soldiers burnt alive instantaneously. 32 soldiers injured with severe burns. 4 terrorist have been killed, search is still on.
The plan was to
1. kill unarmed troops.
2. Then storm Medical Aid Unit near Brigade Adm Area.
3. And then to explode themselves after entering officers mess.
All these was revealed by the Map carried by militants which was marked and indicated in Pashtun language.
The moment Diesel dump exploded due to smog and subsequent explosion militants got disoriented and headed straight towards Soldiers barracks. One millitant was gun down their by 19 year old Dogra soldier, he challenged remaining 3 militants and sustained severe head injury when a bullet hit his Helmet, he was evacuated by colleagues. since the barracks was empty militants took defensive position in side barracks of 2 floor and 16 rooms. Later 4 Para Commandoes (SF) stormed the building and sent all millitants to hell.
4 more soldiers lost battle with life in hospital.
17 soldiers died, 30 injured.
This was the biggest attack on army in 26 years.
On behalf of Corp Commander I assure each and every blood will be avenged. They killed our 17 soldiers. Today Indian Army promises the reply will be gruesome, swift and unimaginable response to Pakistan Army.
[9/18, 7:37 PM] ‪+91 99156 67436‬: This is the first time an inflamable explosive has be used on tent ( two in No.) Located very close by. Being an administrative area the troops are supposed to be in tents. It's actually an Int failure....post strike ....action was accurate. The target was well recced & strike well planned. Local sympathizers very much involved.
[9/18, 7:44 PM] ‪+91 99156 67436‬: Those who have attacked the Army unit are pure ENEMIES, not terrorists.
Wonder why this is called a terror attack.
It is NOT.
A terror attack is one made on civilian population with aim to 'terrorize' thousands.
This is a dedicated attack on a Army unit, not a terror attack.
Raid on an enemy HQ is a often used operation by special forces.
All armies do it. All armies, less India.
If an attack on Army unit is not war but a terror attack, to be tackled with mere tweets, God also can't save India. He only helps those who help themselves.

Is it so difficult to get 4 guys ready to die for India, to go raid some terrorist camp or HQ in Pak/POK, of which we have all the information in our dossiers and tweets?
So many guys available to raid beef eaters all over India but none to die for her?

Pak has played its card very well, playing a game which neutralizes India's superiority in conventional warfare.
And, of course, an announcement by the Home/Defence minister that all this is being done by Pak since they have got real 'frustrated'. I sincerely hope they don't get any more frustrated than this.

It is clear that India does not feel insulted and provoked when an Army establishment is attacked and some fauzis die. They get paid for it, don't they? We wait till some son/daughter of a high ranking politician gets kidnapped.

Rajesh Mishra said...

If we can not attack today and destroy the muslamic terrorists camps within POK/Pakistan with Brahmos missiles and/or anything else, then we do not deserve to sign on the Rafale deal. Even 45 squadrons of Rafale are not going to embolden us and will remain as showpieces. BTW the leaders are humbly requested to keep silent till they are really able to retaliate against the Pakistan666.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To CSC & RAJESH MISHRA: If you want to know where the launch-pad for such infiltrations is located, then here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6dXtrhApxc

There you go! I have now shared the target coordinates with everyone! That's the launch-pad located between the Uri-Poonch bulge. There are 2 options now: Either destroy this entire PA Battalion HQ through a 3-hour field artillery fire-assault, or plan a surgical campaign aimed at capturing & keep for good the Haji Pir Pass. Nothing else will hurt the PA the most. Launching surgical strikes against suspected terror camps won't achieve anything since such camps are makeshift & mobile. The objective instead should be to cause permanent damage to the PA's infrastructure within PoK bas was done in August 1965 through OPERATION FAULAAD. If Turkey's military can occupy lands within northern Iraq & Syria in defence of its own national interests, India too can & must, since in any case the UN had clearly stated in 1948 that PoK is an integral part of the state of J & K which had legally acceded to India in October 1947 & therefore any Indian military operation to be mounted will be well inside Indian territory (i.e. PoK) & legally this does not constitute any violation of international law. It's high time India's ruling political elites & ill-informed journalists grasp this reality once & for all.

Vijay said...

It is TIME for war

Enough is enough

Unknown said...

Prasun thanks for the reply. For the option against pak army you suggested above, given your reach with the powers in delhi. Do you think doval or modi have the determination to use this option. Given the statement of raj math singh I guess evidence of pak involvement would be prese Ted before the United nations to declare pakistan a terrorist statement. I doubt any military retaliation. Please share with us your thoughts. Thanks and regards Kunal kaistha

AJS Chirp said...

I've been reading your blog for several years now and would like to thank you for taking the time to share all this information, engaging with your readers and more importantly talking sense.

I am desperately hopeful that this govt will do what had to be done decades ago, but I'm not holding my breath. Attacks on air bases, army camps, pickets have been so common place. It beggars the mind that the govt allows things like this go on without a response. This is an act of war, plain and simple. Instead of playing to the country's strengths, Indian govts have issued statements and done precious little. When are they going to draw a line? will they ever?

Unknown said...

Sir,

If Pak decided to violate ceasefire agreement, then what we waiting for.

Cant we bring 130 mm arties and bombard the Neelem Kel highway.

abhijit mitra said...

This is an amazing video. Do you feel that as a defensive measures procurement of BFSR-SR will move up. There is an international tender which BSF opened on April 16 on comprehensive border management systems. Can that work with LRDE developed BEL produced BFSRs, integrated with TI, or an upgrade / import is warranted. Some light on these will be helpful

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ABHIJIT MITRA: BSF already has BEL-made BSFRs & HHTIs imported from Israel as well as those made by BEL to an IRDE design. Longer-range HHTIs are on order from SAGEM.

To UNKNOWN: What ceasefire agreement??? LoLz! There was NEVER any ceasefire agreement in writing along the LoC. It was just a verbal declaration by both India & Pakistan in November 2003 to observe the ceasefire. This verbal declaration was NEVER put into writing. I continue to be amused & flabbergasted by any effort to declare Pakistan a terrorist state. Where is the need for such a declaration? Did Turkey wait for Iraq & Syria to be declared as terrorist states since the 1980s just so that it can send its troops to fight the Kurds inside northern Iraq & Syria? Where exactly is the need for such a bleeding-heart attitude that craves for Pakistan being declared a terrorist state by the rest of the world? Why should India await the permission of the whole world to liberate its own territory that has been illegally occupied by the enemy? Why did A B Vajpayee not realise & accept this elementary fact-of-life when he decreed that the IA & IAF should not cross the LoC in 1999? After all, that was a God-given opportunity to go as far as Skardu & Khapalu because the PA was then in denial about its involvement & therefore did not bother to even inform the PAF & PN about OP Badr & as a result, India's military could have totally seized the initiative at that time to liberate vast chunks of Baltistan & capture the Haji Pir Pass as well.

The stark fact-of-life is that India's ruling politicians have NEVER understood the true meaning of military power & without this, no one can become a practitioner of the use of military power as an instrument of state policy. And such ignorance continues till this day!!! What else can explain India totally missing the point when Pakistan's Federal Interior Minister was lecturing Rajnath Singh in Islamabad about the the legality of militarily supporting an armed insurrection as part of a wider 'freedom struggle'? To anyone with even average IQ, this for all intents & purposes was the 'green light' being shown by Pakistan to signal its determination to militarily support the efforts of JeM & LeT inside J & K. This was the original intelligence failure, & not what transpired later. Therefore, in my eyes, India's entire national security establishment has collectively failed to interpret such clear signals from Pakistan & this to me is most mind-boggling.

Let's hope within the next 24 hours there will be swift & brutal retaliation by at least raising to the ground that PA Battalion HQ that I had earlier identified as the target.

To AJS CHIRP: The coming 24 hours will reveal whether or not this present-day Govt of India has the balls to walk the talk.

To VIJAY: There's no need for any war-like chorus or rhetoric or bluster. One has heard enough of that since the Mumbai bomb blasts of 1993 & when the time had come to exact revenge in 1999, the job was left less-than-half-done. Don't expect India's ruling politicians to suddenly discover some latent IQ lurking somewhere inside their cortex!

Ganesh said...

Hello Prasun,

With these recurring insults where our jawans die in a disadvantaged situation; do you think the necessary modalities are in place in order to achieve the required objectives (without of course spelling out the details) and also are we militarily prepared to do the necessary to climb up the stairs of escalation to achieve the objective of taking control of POK. In addition, from what I have heard is using artillery beyond a range is declaration of war?

Personally as a civilian with no military field experience, I would want this whole mess to be cleared now than later; meaning the culmination of this failed experiment called Pakistan with response starting now

I feel aghast that the local intelligence passes to the other side of the border where in there are swift responses from the enemy to take advantage of the situation ever since I understand the attacked area is close to the LOC.

Thanks, Ganesh

Vijay said...

Dear Sir

ALL the available information on the Internet and the media is
that Retaliation is expected and will happen

What are you hearing about the Anger in the Indian Army

Even the PM's credibility is on the line

If escalation happens so be it

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIJAY: Anger & gambles NEVER delivers anything productive. Cool-headedness & shrewd calculations on the other hand produce the desired results. That's why my recommendation is to strike across, seize & hold the real-estate across the LOC that is rightfully India's property, even as per UNSC resolutions.

To GANESH: What escalation? The PA is today spread out throughout the western frontier astride the Durand Line & 53% of the personnel resources of the PA are all committed there. And most of them are all NLI personnel who are only good for guard duties since they don't possess any warfighting spirit. The PA's deployment across the LoC is therefore extremely thin now & the numbers aren't sufficient for the PA to withstand any limited offensive AirLand campaign of India. The LoC is not a border, only a temporary ceasefire line as per international law & either party can violate the ceasefire where & when it suits them. The only way of countering any violations of the LoC is to occupy dominating heights so that the enemy hasn't got any visual means of observing what's happening on the Indian side. In both the Uri-Poonch Bulge & the Leepa Valley Bulge, the dominating heights are held by the PA & hence they have a huge advantage in monitoring the IA's LoC patrolling routines. Take this advantage away from the PA & it then becomes a sitting duck. Hence my recommendation is to seize & occupy for good all these dominating heights, especially the Haji Pir Pass. And since Pakistan calls these areas as 'Azaad Kashmir', it cam't accuse India of attacking sovereign Pakistan territory since the IA & IAF won't be crossing the IB, but only the LoC & that too for liberating that piece of territory that belongs to India as per the UNSC resolutions. So if India goes on the offensive, let's see how many 'Azaad Kashmiris' take up arms to defend their country.

Gessler said...

Hoping that the GOI steps up and lets the Army do it's thing.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/uri-attack-can-india-launch-a-covert-operation-across-the-border/story-89fLijKgTJ7A3xkPP253BP.html

Anonymous said...

Prasunda
Loha garam hain, mar diya jaaye hatora. Not only the dominating Heights. I say, India should launch an offensive and retake G&B too.
-Abs

Rajesh Mishra said...

Uri was found at lat=34.077545&lon=74.055748 and Haji Pir at lat=33.959166&lon=74.063816. Then I went through your revealing video and there the presenter was telling that it is the biggest HQ of Pakistan. Is it? Although I could not locate it but anyhow whatever it is, as you say it should be demolished. Your analysis seems to be the most accurate so Govt must consider it as the starting point of the limited war and occupation. I strongly hope that our Govt will move suitably in this direction. BTW the first 24 hours are passing fast.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To GESSLER: That reportage is one of the most idiotic I've read so far. OP Neptune's Spear was aimed at eliminating a target without the prospect of any form of military contact with the PA. Hence it was a covert operation. Retaliatory operations like the one I've suggested above have never been & will never be covert for obvious reasons. Secondly, if such retaliatory campaigns are mounted only inside PoK across the LoC, it will totally eliminate any prospect of Pakistan resorting to nuclear sabre-rattling because it will never dare use its nuclear weapons in areas where Kashmiri Muslims live. The moment Pakistan does use nuclear weapons in such areas, it will forever lose all moral claim on the J & K issue. Thirdly, this should be 90-day campaign at most whose principal objective should be to liberate the whole of Baltistan & Haji Pir Pass at best, along with extensive precision airstrikes against all the PA's garrisons in & around the Uri-Poonch Bulge, the Leepa Valley Bulge, Dansum (housing the 323 Siachen Bde of the PA), Khapalu & Skardu. All these areas contain formations/garrisons of the Force Command Northern Areas (FCNA)--the biggest field HQ of the PA.

It's time to call Pakistan's nuclear bluff & expose Pakistan's nuclear sabre-rattling as being nothing else but intimidating moves aimed against Afghanistan & Iran. Also watch this programme aired last night in which Asma Jahangir thoroughly exposes the duplicity of Pakistan WRT J & K issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCLLINE26h4

Don't pay any attention to the idiotic programme anchor who is under the delusion that the UNSC Resolution on J & K pertains only to the India-administered part of J & K.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To RAJESH MISHRA: That Battalion HQ shown in that programme is located in an area known as FORWARD KAHUTA on GoogleEarth.

birbal said...

Prasunda i can't keep myself from writng that you are doing an ABSOLUTELY amazing job of educating us on the REALITY....Take a BOW Prasunda,
i REALLY wish you were the PM and your 'FELLOW' bloggers like Arpit, CSC, Gessler, Rajesh Mishra, Vikram to NAME a few, your Cabinet ministry just like Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose... Bharat mata ki jay

Pierre Zorin said...

India needs to learn from Israel. The US may supply latest weaponry to Israel, but their survival is dependent entirely on their willingness to take the battle to the enemy's backyard. Such a huge country India and yet not one forward thinking person in the government. Surely if you can see things being a civilian - surely the government can access military opinion which should be like your thinking and go for it. The world is sick of Pakistan and now is the right time to cash in because the US would also support India's right to sovereignty. Miss the boat and rue forever.
It's no good being a gigantic body builder with a tiny penis because at the end of the day it will never heal the low self esteem!

Gessler said...

Thanks for the insight, Prasun ji!

What's your take on this report?

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/uri-terror-attack-ajit-doval-security-meeting-will-avenge-death-of-our-soldiers-at-a-time-of-our-choosing-3038242/

Anonymous said...

meanwhile, here's some news from China

http://shanghaiist.com/2016/09/16/wukan_journalist_crackdown.php

Best Regards
Raj

buddha said...

Whole night passed
No retaliatory action is taken
The so called strong criticism and forgetfulness

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To BUDDHA: “We will avenge the killings of our soldiers, but we will do so based on cold-blooded professional military assessment, and on a timeline of our choosing, not one dictated by political imperatives or the prime-time news cycle”.

To GESSLER: There are ZERO targets to be struck if one is on the lookout for terror-training camps inside PoK. The only worthwhile targets are those that house PA personnel & infrastructure. As that video on PoK shows, even on the Pakistani side, the LoC is heavily mined & patrolled by the PA. Consequently, any infiltrator from Pakistan cannot cross the LoC unless he is guided to navigate through the minefields by the PA's pathfinders.

To BIRBAL: LoLz! VMT, but I will take a bow only after the field artillery fire-assaults of the IA across the LoC have begun. If the PA tries counter-bombardment, that's the time the IAF should step in to target the PA's artillery gun-pits with LGBs. Targetting them over mountainous terrain & lurking in reverse-slopes will be easy given the availability of MALE-UAVs.

To PIERRE ZORIN: My dear ol'chap, you're talking about a country that wasted 3 God-given opportunities in the past when it came to capturing PoK. In 1965 Lal Bahadur Shastri's war directive should have explicitly mandated the capture of PoK instead of authorising the IA to cross the IB & go gallivanting into Lahore or Phillora or Chawinda. After all, what's the more important piece of real-estate: your own land or a foreign land? Same mistake was repeated in December 1971 when the IA got bogged down in futile armoured battles in Punjab & Jammu. Then came 1999 & the PM of that day in his all-knowing but totally self-deluding wisdom prevented the IA & IAF from crossing the LoC.

Ultimate irony of this last case (1999) was that the then GOC of FCNA in charge of defending PoK--Maj Gen Javad Hassan--later wrote that he at that time was expecting the IA to take the battle all the way to Skardu.

Tharun said...

Hi,
Can you give me the coordinates of all launching pads,PA infrastructure.

Tor said...

Radar TV: Dassault Rafale - Multirole fighter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5uu-386_tw

Turn on translation

Vijay said...

Dear Sir

In 1999 ; the international environment was AGAINST us

India was under sanctions for the 1998 Nuclear tests ;Pakis were still US allies

Yet after the Lahore peace trip ; Kargil happened and US was forced to
publically admonish Pakistan

But this opportunity is as good as it gets

Raheel sharif is going out ; Nawaz Sharif is Beseiged

Paki economy is in the pits

US is focussed on its Presidential elections

And above all Indian Government is different from MMS

Will the Government give a Free hand to the Army

samsou8803 said...

Hi Prasunda,

Now as 2nd Visakhapatnam class destroyer is fitting out,& 2 more under contraction in shipyard, which will take another 2 year to complete the hull contraction in present speed. What will be the next class of destroyers after that, as no info I found in internet.

Sourav

RAT said...

Hi Parsun,

Thank you for yet another informative article you will be surprised to know that in the year 2004 while answering my exams I had written an answer to a question "How to deal with Pakistan?" which is quite similar to Doval Doctrine and guess what I had not even read it that time. Coming back to counter strike I like the idea of artillery more than surgical strike we can always do off with few shells the reason not fully supporting surgical strike is due to involvement of our guys and also it will give Pakistan an excuse to remove some forces from its western frontier (even if it cannot still just to show its in trouble for some candies from US) then again why just one place there has not been a ripple on the river, just thinking what will happen when Yeti goes for a drink. Thanks Once Again
(you may delete the content you feel inappropriate)

vishakh said...

Hello ,

Can you comment on this ???

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/pay-heed-to-indias-sensitivites-including-nsg-and-ban-on-azhar-masood-chinese-politician-to-xi-jinping/articleshow/54403117.cms

Unknown said...

Dear Prasunda

today a meeting chaired by PM, ended along with army chief, NSA, Home Minister etc. no inputs to the media on the decision, of course, which would be strategic. sir any inputs you have? please can you share some feelers on the broad course of action i.e. a) military action, b) diplomatic riposte against Pak. or a) & b) together. Please advise sir

Regards

kunal kaistha

Pierre Zorin said...

That's why I say "time of our choosing "is an empty phrase unless real iron will is shown by real action. When will the choosing come- just before the next election? Like Australia and the UK talk about border protection it is India's time to utter those familiar words and start demarcating the actual border.
Like you said here is the argument that should : 1) UN accepted J&K is Indian and PoK is also Indian territory. Therefore taking back what is occupied by PA is not an act against another sovereign nation. 2) All PoK behind LoC as you said is impenetrable unless guided by PA. Pakistan claims attacks on India are not perpetrated by PA. There is evidence that the perpetrators came across the LoC therefore must have been guided by PA to avoid the mines and patrol. This means PA is covertly responsible for the action therefore retaliation and seizing of territories used to violate sovereignty of another nation is not an act of war or terror. 3) Mere firing at dodgy camps and huts will yield nothing. To prevent repeat sexual offenders the punishment is castration so what goes in their minds can't be acted out. Same principle here - take away PA's advantage and bases the rest will take care of itself. In fact the ONLY way to stop cross border terrorism and unrest is to take back occupied Indian territory. 4) point out China's illegality in constructions inside Indian territory. Cite Turkey's example - cite accession of Crimea against UN resolution much less with UN acceptance, cite US strikes against terror hubs, cite China's crackdown of UIGHURS and Tibet; cite humanitarian crises in G&B, Balochistan. Then see which world body refutes Indian position. but just sit still and keep burping - the world will soon recognise a toothless tiger or a venom less cobra.

Anonymous said...

foam machines for MRO facilities

will be certainly useful for India in so many areas of ISRO, DRDO, IA, IAF, IN etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8csL5Y2_pnE

Rajesh Mishra said...

In the war and the war against terrorism we need not to look or feel like normal Buddhists. Rather we should learn from our temple of Shaolin. Any big target looking like coming from a cold storage strategy shall be relegated to be as and for a tertiary or secondary strike. Instantly within 0 to 24 or 48 hours we should be able to make a symbolic contribution by severely hitting a static or dynamic pre-selected target. Actually few of such targets must be fixed in advance. I mean we should try to emulate Israel in this matter to some extent.

DAshu said...

Lets hope , whatever, you are hinting actually gets materialized .

john said...

Hi,

A shocking video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0KOZxZdCgY

Must Watch

Anonymous said...

CSC,
CSC said...
[9/18, 7:15 PM] ‪+91 98100 11752‬:

In your comment to this blog, you exposed two phone numbers? What kind of moron are you? Did anyone authorize you to publish those two numbers?

Ravi_N

Anonymous said...

this shitty paper too started lecturing what India should be.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/uri-attack-reality-check-on-indias-options/article9124763.ece?homepage=true

All news papers become Astrology papers, not news at all.

Ganesh said...

Hello Prasun,

Looking at the current news bites; I think this current opportunity to turn the tide against enemy #2 (Pakistan) is being lost. The jingoism from the political class has started and I wonder if something will ever happen to Pakistan. At the end, maybe in order to win the next term through election, the current government may (just may) do something and claim credit for it. My worst nightmare would be East India Company (aka Congress) coming back to power with Owl baba (aka Rahul) gaining ascendancy. "Awwal he awwal" continues to stay where it is in Poonch (POK). I feel helpless.

Sad days indeed.

Thanks, Ganesh

Curious said...

Uri attack is actually an act of war not act of terrorism. By calling it terror act we are only giving deniability to pak666

Ganesh said...

Continuing with my sob; I fail to understand that Indian defence forces would not have reconnaissance missions to identify the weaknesses of the adversaries and practiced it to take advantage of the situation. In short, my grouse is one on the political leadership not having the marbles to do something for the nation.

Thanks,Ganesh

Arpit Kanodia said...

Sir,

We can do bigger things at our time of choosing.

But at least India should bring in 105 and 130 mm guns.

CSC said...

apologies Ravi, writing from my mobile phone i missed it

prasunda can u pls delete them

anyways, thanks

Vijay said...

Dear Sir

Why is M.K. BHADRAKUMAR completely Anti National

Look at his blog posts ; we call That Barkha Dutt as Anti national

He ie Bhadrakumar is far more dangerous

accidental loser said...

You can easily do that yourself bro

Rajesh Mishra said...

With so much increasing of the negativity, it is quite possible that the Pak666 may be taken out only around the beginning of the WW-3. Pak666 was supposed to be the trigger.

Siddharth said...

Prasun da,

Why Indian news media ranting Russia calls off Joint Russia - Pakistan military exercise and some nincompoop even claimed Russia has cancelled the helicopter deal with Pakistan (don't know when when it was inked).

Secondly, what option Indian thinker have to take avenge of Uri killings - though I believe none, only big and hollow talks no action.

Nitin said...

Hi Prasun,
Is this all part of the grand plan that you had alluded to sometime ago. If india uses the military option, will the US rise voices against us ?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To EVERYONE: I agree that any instantaneous or quick knee-jerk reaction from India will only backfire. When planning any military campaign the desired end-state should always be factored in. Any 90-day offensive campaign launched at this stage will get bogged down by November due to the onset of winter. Therefore, far better to apply pressure by 'ithger means', like signalling the decision to review the Indus Waters Treaty & claim a greater share of the water-flow, followed by doing forensic analysis of the GPS receivers recovered from the slain Pakistani attackers, with such analysis being done by the FBI under the auspices of the India-US Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty. All this will create tremendous pressure on Pakistan & will keep it on the backfoot. But come next March when the snows start melting, the decision will have to be taken to implement the 'salami slicing' campaign in various phases under which the two bulges & the all-important Haji Pir Pass are seized & held permanently by India & if India's leaders are audacious enough, they should authorise an in-depth penetration as close to Muzaffarabad as possible to the west (thereby directly threatening the Marala Headworks installation that supplies water from the Mangla Dam to Rawalpindi & Islamabad) & Skardu to the north. All this is doable, will be internationally acceptable & will result in severe embarrassment of the PA. That will be the time to call the PA's bluff about nuclear WMDs. Let the whole world see if Pakistan remains inclined to use its nuclear WMDs against its fellow Kashmiri Muslims living in PoK.

CSC said...

As of this moment it is learnt that the pm has called for all options to be tabled to him

I think given the presence and strong say of nsa Duval we will see strong cross border firing maybe from both Indian and afganistan sides and a couple of telling strikes by insurgents inside Pakistan, targeting the PA. IT all depends on how well the RAW is able to motivate and control the insurgent elements inside pak

Pawan said...

Dear Prasunji,

I whole heartily love above narrated strategy like every Indian would do but where are attack helicopter, MRCA (like Mirage/Rafale for precision bombing) , Howitzers (most critical) or NLOS-BM like Spike. There are not even modern assault rifles & helmets available to our soldiers.

Regards,
Pawan

Ganesh said...

Hello Prasun, non military solutions apart, with cold start doctrine or whatever may be it should be applied to take the required portions of POK now and take the rest later; thanks, Ganesh

Pierre Zorin said...

Instead of AMCA etc why isn't ADA get busy designing something like the US B-1 F-117 now B-21 type long range stealth bomber?

Unknown said...

Dear Prasun

Do you think the present bunch of indian leadership under modi is audacious enough for military campaign your goodself has @ Sep 20, 2016 at 10:51AM. You are personally knowing them sir, can you suggest if they are visionary and audacious enough or they prefer waiting till 2018 for a joint campaign. thankyou for your insights sir

warm wishes

kunal

Mukund said...

Hi Prasun,
Recently NDTV has petitioned Sagarmala Project. And couple of days back, it withdrew that petition.
1) My question is why should a news channel block Sagarmala project which will bring development in shipping and transportation sector?
This particular channel, especially one of its journalists, is beyond any words. Every tweets and report are either anti-Indian or anti-Hindu. I've never seen any impartial news from NDTV. In spite of the NDTV making loss, it continues to exist and support people who are closer to Pakistan. This lady journalist was in US while Uri incident happened and she was tweeting during the middle of the nights, stay awake - and her tweets imply that Uri incident was staged by IA.

2) Is Modi Govt losing the battle against the leftist journalists? (I am ashamed to call her a journalist. She even asked a US Congress woman who is a practising Hindu whether she has any plan to change her faith. What a moron she is!).

3) What is your opinion about this journalist and how to contain Hindu hater such as her and another journalist couple?

Rajesh Mishra said...

If we do not have the brave hearts against the little or big nukes, we should better forget the FGFA, Rafale, Su-30 MKI, 155 mm Howitzers, Arjun, Tejas, AESA Radar, Gripen, F-16/18 etc.. We need not to purchase them. None of them can save us from any type of the nukes.

Instant strike or belated retaliation can be debatable and any of them can be acceptable but that shall be irrespective of the fear of the nuclear background.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To GANESH, PAWAN & UNKNOWN: It's not about military or non-military campaign, but about a strategic campaign in which short-term losses are acceptable for the sake of enduring long-term, gains. Even a superpower like the US had to wait for almost a month before beginning OP Enduring Freedom on October 7, 2001. Similarly, India had to wait & prepare for 6 months before commencing OP CACTUS LILY in December 1971. So, if lasting damage is to be caused to an enemy for the sake of achieving permanent results, then one has to wait & prepare for forces mobilisation & their re-orientation from plains-based warfare to mountain warfare, & finally for favourable weather conditions. Only then can the original OP-PLANs prepared way back in mid-1971 for recapturing significant portions of PoK be put to effect & fully realised.

As for hardware shortages, those become shortages only when a full-scale war is being contemplated. But when a war is limited to only a certain theatre, then such shortages don't exist. In fact, India in all spheres enjoys a decisive superiority at present, especially when the PA is spread out throughout the Durand Line & has shifted all its armoured assets to the north from the previous southern locations. Matters are further complicated for Pakistan by the lack of adequate permanent infrastructure in PoK like air bases, whereas in India's case there's a string of air bases all the way from northern Indian Punjab all the way up to Thoise. Nor is there any capacity lefty within the PAF to resort to sustained offensive air campaigns against western or southern India. Nor does the PA possess any quantitative or qualitative superiority over India in terms of armoured/mechanised warfare & it will no longer be able to repeat what it had tried to do in 1965 & 1971 since the element of surprise no longer exists due to superior terrestrial & extraterrestrial overhead recce assets & capabilities.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,
If India is to wage a war, then why even stop with the Azad Kashmir? Why not the Gilgit and Baltistan?

Secondly, I feel going back on the IWT, would be stupid, as India reneging on a treaty would set bad precedents and perhaps allow Pakistan the moral high ground.

I feel it is far better to adopt tactics such as granting asylum to Baloch leaders and encourage them to set up a government in exile in India.
-Abs

kargil said...

Dear Prasunji,

Greetings!!

Eagerly waiting for your reply on my request dated 10th Sep 2016.

Thanking you

Regards,
Pinkal Shah

Vijay said...

Dear Sir

MARCH is too late

Let us hope some Small retaliation happens Soon

Now please tell us whether we need to Prioritise Procurement of
Body Protection Jackets and Helmets
before some Other equipment

For instance If we have to send soldiers across the LOC ; they do need Protection

Common Sense said...

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=Kota%20Railway%20station&src=typd

Prasun,

I was directed to something really curious on Twitter. Some folks have put up pictures of tanks on rail wagons, purportedly at Kota Railway Station and claim that movement has been observed at Bhopal, Jhansi etc. Is this routine or is something cooking?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To ABS: Who said anything about Azaad Kashmir only? I've always defined it as PoK inclusive of Gilgit Baltistan. Revisiting & reneging are two polar opposites. Reneging is unilateral, whereas revisiting is a mutual affair involving two parties & the neutral arbitration panel & a revisit is entirely justified since the demographics of both parties have changed & Pakistan today lies fully exposed even by the IWT Commission for not using any water conservation means despite the various monsoon deluges since 2010, & consistently failing to dredge its riverbeds & irrigation canals. All this is enough material evidence to prove that Pakistan is squandering its abundant natural resources instead of putting them to productive use. he odds therefore are stacked up against Pakistan from a legal & technical standpoint.

To VIJAY: That's possible in only Hollywood & Bollywood flicks. Real-Life events & situations don't involve utopias or fantasy at all. Why the need for BPJs & helmets now when even in 1965 without BPJs the Haji Pir Pass was captured with minimal casualties?

To MUKUND: Who is that journalist? Kindly post some links so that everyone here can contextualise what you're saying.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To COMMONSENSE: LoLz! Those are MBTs on their way to Pokhran & Jaisalmer for their annual winter-time mobility/firepower exercises. Do you really think the IA is so stupid so as to publicise its forward deployments in full public view by conducting them at daytime? Check out the past experiences during 1965, 1971 & 2002 & one will discover that all such movements involving interior lines of communications take place at nighttime.

sbm said...

Thanks for some commonsense calmness amidst the anger.

Question: I know that some half a dozen to 18 Mirage 2000s were EMP shielded for N weapons delivery (initially it was 4 I think). Now I am given to understand that 40 Su-30MKI have been so modified. Has India done anything to protect air defence assets against a possible EMP scenario ?

Vijay said...

Dear Sir

If we are always so UN PREPARED what will happen if Tomorrow Pakistan
formally attacks India

Pakistan has to do only one thing ; Just Prepare QUIETLY and Attack one fine day
Because we are always UN PREPARED


Will we say that we are not ready ; Where does this 50 Billion dollars
defence expenditure go

Gessler said...

So what's going on, Prasun ji?

Other than Doval's statement that we'll exact revenge at a time of our choosing, what else has taken place among the military/bureaucratic circles?

RASAYAN said...

So the Rafale deal is finally going to be sealed.
http://www.theweek.in/news/india/india-saved-euro-600-million-in-rafale-deal.html

It's very sad to loose our soldiers. I hope the GOI will act and not just tight. Actions are louder than words, whenever it comes.

Anonymous said...

Prasunda,
Okay, many thanks. I was misinterpreting.

Bugti Baloch has sought asylum in India. What do you think?
I suggest if India is serious about Balochistan it should not only provide asylum but also encourage them to form a Balochistan Government in Exile. And host the government in India.

Many have suggested on stopping all economic transactions with Pakistan including removing them from MFN. I find it short sighted as a good reason for the goodwill that India has in PoK is due to trade. It acts as a good tool of propaganda. We should not stop that from continuing.
-Abs

sbm said...

Good commonsense input. Thanks. A question: what arrangements has the IAF made for the effects of EMP on air defence assets and aircraft ? I know some M2Ks and Su-30MKIs (about 40 in total) have been EMP shielded but what of everything else? Had a brief discussion with an army and IAF officer and while not disclosing anything much did say they were taken protective and preventative steps for key assets against a major EMP strike but universal EMP protection would be limited to the milstd EMP resistance in existing items as money was a constraint. Any light you can shed on this ?

Mukund said...


The NDTV person I was talking about, everybody knows, even a street dog. https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/777414487351631872

Sagarmala project and NDTV
http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/ndtv-shores-up-support-to-save-india-s-coastline-116083100762_1.html

http://www.opindia.com/2016/09/ndtv-stops-sagarmala-project-from-making-losses-for-shareholders-to-making-losses-for-india/

And her interview with Tulsi Gabbard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFUnWVoMfk4

Meanwhile, this in Bengal:
http://swarajyamag.com/politics/cold-shoulder-to-uri-attack-martyrs-why-bengal-is-apathetic-to-its-fallen-heroes

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To VIJAY: LoLz! Yes, we most indeed are, & will continue to remain so. Why? Because we have always had a bunch of ruling political elites from ALL parties across the aisle who have tried to defend the indefensible & have had not even a remote idea of what constitutes national security. To ALL our politicians, including the present-day bunch of rulers, national security is akin to putting India inside a polythene bag & hoping that it will remain insulated from all impurities & contaminants!!! And why does this mindset prevail? Again, elementary: these politicians have NEVER even had the decency to recognise, leave alone appreciate the role of the armed forces. Do you know that the 3 service chiefs have been 'directed' by the RM to accept the recommendations of the 7th Pay Commission despite grave misgivings from the armed forces? Do you know that there's a news blackout now in place on this issue? Why? But let's not go that far, let's instead focus on more down-to-earth matters. Can anyone explain why the PMs & RMs of India have REPEATEDLY insulted India's armed forces in full public view by always giving the 'Paandu Havaldar' salutes during various commemorative events? Haven't they read the rule-book titled RULES OF BUSINESS OF GOVT OF INDIA? Don't they know that each armed service has its own style of saluting & there are no universal/unitary forms of salutation? Don't they realise that only the President of India as the Supreme Commander of the armed forces has the privilege of giving & receiving salutes? Why do they allow frothing/foaming clowns like Ram Madhav to whip up passions & mislead people? Why do such unelected clowns have access to official funds to organise so-called NRI gatherings at the Shangri-La Hotel in Singapore & show off their arrogance & when it comes to the crunch all these clowns resort to only twitting & whimpering? Why has the country tolerated the Khaki-colour pants worn by the RSS when it is the same colour of the ceremonial/parade uniforms worn by the PA? Isn't this a blatantly anti-national act being perpetrated by the RSS since decades? Why are all such wrongs not being corrected? The answer: missing the woods for the trees has become an accepted fact-of-life & hence protection of cows through disruption of nature's equilibrium is FAR MORE important today than safeguarding national security. If the Indian Army's soldiers wearing full combat gear have to carry placards with the word ARMY written on them when carrying out flag-marches during the Jat agitation in Haryana, then something is very very deeply wrong somewhere within India. National security toh bahut door ki baat hai. Hence, sort out the basics/fundamentals first before even contemplating much more complex matters concerning the higher directions for war.

prashant said...

https://www.thequint.com/uri-attack/2016/09/21/uri-avenged-2-india-paras-special-forces-cross-loc-uri-sector-jammu-and-kashmir-pakistan-neutralise-20-terrorists

1) could this be true ?
2) AFAIK, either 9 or 10 para is permanently based in kashmir..during uri attacks 4 para was deployed to kill the terrorists, now 2 para has been sent to Pok..it is safe to assume that atleast 3 para sf units must be deployed to NE india..if 6 out of 8 units are in field.. then when do these units get rest..when do they get time to train ?
3) read your answer above..just because PA wears khaki doesn't mean anybody doing the same in india is a traitor..RSS is older than Pakistan..& by your logic then indian state police & CAPF should also not wear khaki..does PA have any patent on khaki.

dushyant hardaha said...

sir
why we are so helpless weak
why we don't have any self-respect national pride
when Mumbai 92 happen we have done nothing
when 26/11 happened we have done nothing
till today we are doing nothing

Anonymous said...

https://www.thequint.com/uri-attack/2016/09/21/uri-avenged-2-india-paras-special-forces-cross-loc-uri-sector-jammu-and-kashmir-pakistan-neutralise-20-terrorists
sir
any news about this

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: VMT. The answer lies in your question itself. The terms used are 'EMP Hardening' or EMP-resistant' or 'EMP-shielding'. And not EMP-insulation. Laws of physics dictate that any sensor exposed to the atmosphere cannot be thoroughly insulated from EMP or EMI in any manner.

To GESSLER: That's because the element of surprise has been lost. Immediate retaliation is only possible against an unprepared adversary, like Israel had activated its contingency OP-PLAN HANNIBAL within 40 minutes of its soldiers being kidnapped by Hezbollah in mid-2006. In India's case, it had first to be established beyond doubt that the infiltrators were 'sarkari jihadis' from across the LoC & that's only possible now through the recovered GPS receivers that will now have to be sent to the US for forensic analysis during which the on-board atomic clocks inside the satellites of US NAVSTAR GPS constellation will give precise time, date & positional fixes WRT first-time activation of the GPS receivers & their subsequent usage--i.e. the undeniable proof of their point-of-origin that can be used for India's legal claims/charges to go uncontested. Since this process will take at least 20 days, an immediate military response is out of the question. An immediate military response is possible ONLY WHEN there's actionable intelligence, i.e. IA's thermal imaging HHTIs capturing real-time imagery of an underway infiltration attempt along the LoC, with the imagery showing superimposed Lat-Long coordinates, date & time of event. In such a case, a mere gunning down of the infiltrators isn't enough. In fact, that's the time when, armed with such undeniable visual evidence, a hot-pursuit or retaliatory artillery fire-assault mission against the nearest PA garrison installation must be carried out. That's what a textbook, immediate retaliation is all about. If this cannot be done, then the next option is elementary: cross the LoC & seize, hold & keep those dominating features like hilltops & ridgelines from where the PA has been looking down below & monitoring the IA's troop movements along the LoC. If Turkey can repeatedly do this inside northern Iraq since the 1980s in what it calls an act of self-defence, then why cam't India? Instead we are now witnessing needless confusion & rhetoric on whether the infiltrators had hailed from LeT or JeM. Does it really matter from which Tanzeem they hailed???

Varunn said...

According to this report Para spl forces crossed the LoC and dispatched 20 jihadis to hell https://www.thequint.com/uri-attack/2016/09/21/uri-avenged-2-india-paras-special-forces-cross-loc-uri-sector-jammu-and-kashmir-pakistan-neutralise-20-terrorists

This piece quotes an intelligence officer saying Mongolia has long been offering India to set up an air base there. Is it true? swarajyamag.com/world/pm-modis-balochistan-remark-far-from-casual-a-calculated-move

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To PRASHANT: It could well be true, since the Pakistani CAA has imposed airspace restrictions on civilian overflights over the whole of PoK, meaning any unauthorised flight over that piece of airspace will be automatically presumed as being hostile by the PA & PAF. Being mountainous terrain, helicopters there can easily resort to terrain-masking to avoid detection. Also, since PoK is referred to as 'Azaad Kashmir' by Pakistan, meaning it is an independent country, Pakistan technically cannot claim that India violated Pakistan's sovereignty in any manner. Pakistan thus is now legally & diplomatically in a bind & cannot come up with any opposing counter-narrative.

sbm said...

Understood. But what has the IAF, SFC and army done ? I mean they are not ignorant of the fact that EMP effects can be severe. But you raise an interesting point - what of aircraft in HAS ? Will they be protected from the effects of EMP ? Or tanks ? Wouldn't the armour act as something of a Faraday shield?

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

To SBM: Again, the laws of physics apply. HAS on the surface too cannot be 100% insulated. Only underground HAS can. Same for MBTs. How do you wish to lend armoured protection to any vehicle's exposed antennae or any other metallic structure of any vehicle? Therefore, the only possible assured insulation is to locate one's command-and-control facilities & their comms hardware in deep underground, as in silos. Any piece of metallic/electronic hardware that lies exposed even in minute percentages will be vulnerable to sudden EMP-generated power surges.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

PAF Activates Motorways as Runways in Peshawar & Punjab : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R63atu3WPA

sbm said...

Point well understood. But what progress has India made in hardening or shielding critical assets plus C4I against EMP effects ?

Pierre Zorin said...

"Instead we are now witnessing needless confusion & rhetoric on whether the infiltrators had hailed from LeT or JeM. Does it really matter from which Tanzeem they hailed???"- So true. If one steps on dog manure first thing one needs to do is clean up the mess and the foot - then ask whose and which dog perpetrated the act. What we have here is: step into smelly crap and just stand there in deep s**t yelling and mobilising people to look for the stray dog or its owner! Sums up the Indian government psyche!

AJS Chirp said...

Wondering why Jawans, NCOs aren't given side arms? Why would anyone from the armed forces move around without a side arm when they are in a state like J&K. Don't they even carry a combat knife? They can't be totally unarmed, right? Obviously a knife or a side arm won't be a match for an assault rifle, but they are better than ones hands in a pinch.

I don't think this govt will initiate hostilities to get back PoK at a future point. For that matter, I don't think they will even make the LoC "hot". They'll just keep trying to fight a losing defensive war trying to kill infiltrating irregulars, claim "diplomatic victory" and move on. So much for offensive- defence.

In my opinion, the situation will only change when the govt. can articulate an assertive strategic role for the country. That larger role, by default will require a pro-active, energetic military role to realise. Till then, simple living, high thinking.

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

With India’s Union Cabinet clearing the €7.87 billion deal with France, a contract for 36 Rafale MMRCAs will be signed on September 23, 2016 in Delhi. Negotiations over the past 17 months have yielded more advantages to the Indian side over the MMRCA deal. The French had made an opening offer of €12 billion in May 2015 when the negotiations began. The French offer came down to €8.6 billion on the midnight of 25-26 January, 2016 when French President François Hollande was in India as a chief guest for the Republic Day celebrations. But the Indian side wanted the price to be reduced further. It was in May 2016 that the two sides finally agreed at a price of €7.878 billion.. Prime Minister Modi had confirmed in Paris in April 2015 that India would buy 36 Rafales, all built in France. The Rafales will have 14 India-specific enhancements and MBDA-built 150km-range Meteor air-to-air missiles & Scalp-EG cruise missiles as part of the €7.878-billion (around Rs 59,000 crore) deal. The French will also guarantee performance-based logistics support which means that 75% of the fleet will be airworthy at any given time. IAF will also get free training for nine personnel, including three pilots, estimated to be worth €100 million. The IAF will get an additional guarantee for an additional 60 flight-hours for the trainer version of Rafale, and a concession to keep the weapons storage in France for an additional six months without any charge. The French have also agreed to supply spares for a period of 7 years at initial cost, instead of five years, with an option that a new deal will be negotiated for the next five years. The standard European escalation cost has also been brought down from 4% to 3.5%.

Ved said...

Dear Prasun,
What are these 14 India specific enhancements? I can't wait till tomorrow. Please unfold the mystery.

Siddharth said...

Prasun da,

Do we see further order of Rafale (including for IN) other than these 36.

birbal said...

Prasun K. Sengupta said...

".....The French had made an opening offer of €12 billion in May 2015 when the negotiations began....It was in May 2016 that the two sides finally agreed at a price of €7.878 billion..

The Rafales will have 14 India-specific enhancements and MBDA-built 150km-range Meteor air-to-air missiles & Scalp-EG cruise missiles as part of the €7.878-billion (around Rs 59,000 crore) deal. "

Prasunda what 14 India-specific enhancements?? Can you ELABORATE??



" The French will also guarantee performance-based logistics support which means that 75% of the fleet will be airworthy at any given time.

IAF will also get free training for nine personnel, including three pilots, estimated to be worth €100 million.
The IAF will get an additional guarantee for an additional 60 flight-hours for the trainer version of Rafale, and a concession to keep the weapons storage in France for an additional six months without any charge.

The French have also agreed to supply spares for a period of 7 years at initial cost, instead of five years, with an option that a new deal will be negotiated for the next five years.

The standard European escalation cost has also been brought down from 4% to 3.5%."


SOOO MUCH offers, all this for just 36+18 Rafales!!! NOO it can't be true...so, ultimately your saying of that, IAF will go for 189 Rafales WILL Definetely come true...:)

birbal said...

Pierre Zorin said...

"Instead we are now witnessing needless confusion & rhetoric on whether the infiltrators had hailed from LeT or JeM. Does it really matter from which Tanzeem they hailed???"- So true. If one steps on dog manure first thing one needs to do is clean up the mess and the foot - then ask whose and which dog perpetrated the act. What we have here is: step into smelly crap and just stand there in deep s**t yelling and mobilising people to look for the stray dog or its owner! Sums up the Indian government psyche!


WELL said Pyarre...:)

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