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Monday, September 11, 2017

Will Nag/NAMICA-2 Combination Enter Service?

Though the successful test-firings of the Nag ATGM/NAMICA-2 combination passed its most crucial developmental milestone on September 8 and 9, 2017, this has perhaps come too late and it now remains to be seen if the Indian Army will conduct the definitive user-trials, without which service-induction cannot take place.
 
It may be recalled that user-trials of the 4km-range Nag ATGM’s uncooled LWIR sensor were carried out in hot desert conditions in Rajasthan on at the Mahajan firing range against both moving and static targets for different ranges of 2.8km and 3.2km, with the ATGMs then being fired from the NAMICA-1 tracked launchers.
Of the four missiles fired then, only one hit the target. In all, eight firing-trials were planned, between July and August 4. On July 28, while one Nag ATGM, tested for a range of 2,500 metres, hit the bull’s eye, the second failed to destroy a target 700 metres away owing to a problem in its uncooled LWIR sensor. In the subsequent trials on August 1, two Nag ATGMs missed their targets positioned at 1,300 metres and 2,500 metres, respectively, since there was inadequate thermal contrast for the LWIR sensor to lock-on and track the target before the missile was launched. Consequently, the uncooled LWIR sensor proved to be accurate only up to 2.5km in extremely hot conditions.
 
It was then that the Indian Army arbitrarily moved the goalpost by demanding that the DRDO re-engineer the NAMICA-1 by incorporating a commander’s panoramic target acquisition/lock-on sensor/ Undaunted, the DRDO rose up to the challenge and developed the NAMICA-2 (now housing a COMPASS optronic panoramic turret procured by Bharat Electronics Ltd from ELBIT Systems).
The DRDO also modified the LWIR sensor by incorporating IR-CCD processor chips supplied by France’s ULIS-SOFRADIR. Since then, this modified sensor has successfully engaged all eight of its targets—both fixed and moving.
 
Each NAMICA-2—destined for equipping the Recce & Support Battalions of the Indian Army’s Mechanised Infantry formations (especially when undertaking river-crossing operations)—can carry 12 Nag ATGMs, with six of them in ready-to-fire mode out to a distance of 4km. The ATGM has a flight speed of 230 metres per second, is armed with a 8kg tandem shaped-charge warhead, has a rocket motor using nitramine-based smokeless extruded double base sustainer propellant, has a single-shot hit probability of 0.77 and a CEP of 0.9 metres, and has a 10-year maintenance-free shelf-life.
On paper, the Indian Army remains committed to the procurement of 443 Bharat Dynamics Ltd-built third-generation Nag fire-and-forget ATGMs along with 13 OFB Medak-built NAMICA-2 tracked ATGM launchers.
Presently under development is the helicopter-launched version of the Nag, known as HELINA. This ATGM uses the same uncooled LWIR sensor as the Nag ATGM, and has a range of 7km. The HELINA, using the ‘Rudrastra’ cannister-encased twin-launcher system, will arm both the ‘Rudra’ helicopter-gunships as well as the LCH attack helicopters of both the Indian Army and Indian Air Force.
Under development is a DRDO-developed active fire-and-forget, adverse-weather millimeter wave (MMW) radar sensor for a 15km-range version of the HELINA. However, the R & D cycle of this ATGM is unlikely to be completed by 2019 at the very latest, and consequently, the Indian Army’s initial 60 HAL-developed ‘Rudra’ helicopter-gunships will in all probability be armed with up to 960 HELINAs equipped with LWIR sensors.
NORINCO’s Answer To Nag/NAMICA-2

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সুমন্ত নাগ said...

শুভ বিজয়া দশমীর প্রীতি ও শুভেচ্ছা প্রসুন দা কে এবং এখানকার সবাইকে ।

Suvo Bijoya Dashami to Prasun Da and Every One here.

BTW, Prasun Da, http://idrw.org/month-after-doklam-withdrawal-more-chinese-troops-on-the-plateau-than-ever-before/

Kindly share your view ?

Thanks in advance.

Ganesh said...

Seriously wonder when will India cut the umbilical cord between the slave and master, which our own cha-cha nehru gifted it
http://m.timesofindia.com/world/pakistan/pak-overhauling-communications-system-with-help-from-china-report/articleshow/60901187.cms

asd said...

Dear Prasun,

I haven't joined any brigade. But looking at the utter stupidity, I think GoI may again continue this wrong attitude even if Uncle Sam will intervene. And hence all your relevant thoughts will go into dustbin. It is usual as we are refused to be a developed country.

buddha said...

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/iaf-to-start-process-to-acquire-single-engine-jets-this-month/articleshow/60958656.cms
Can we expect F16 movement
The nirbhoi cruise missile test have gone silent mode for a while
What is going on that sector.
If with Uncle Sam and Nato pressure India go for the great game in 2018
For that indian armed force is taking preparation.and how they wanna hold POK gigit baltisthan.
Can u expect mukti bahini type revolt against pak army there .
In that scenario opposite Indian armed force will face stiff unban warfare type resistance and sabotage .
Utter politicise over single cross border action seems disappointing.

buddha said...

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/just-10-km-from-last-doklam-stand-off-china-works-on-a-road-again-1759103?pfrom=home-topstories
Again the same is repeating....
LCAmk2 will see any future after F16 .Do indian policy maker and hall ada and ai force navy see any joint opportunity to make it successful along with F16.

rad said...

HI PRASUN
you were bang on ! the saaw seems to be born out of the spice 250 weapon

how deep is the collaboration . is it only for the emp one or other smart versions of the weapon??

the arjun fired a apdfs round that performed well . are we making depleted uranium round?

the jvpc weapon seems to be jamming when sandeep is firing ??

rad said...

hi prasun
you mentioned that the saaw had py code receivers , when was india cleared to have py code receivers from the US?

what would be th e approx cep of the weapon in sead mode and emp mode .

is it not too small to be doing the job of a JDAM?.

any progress of the NGARM ? any pics. The only pics seem to resemble the astra which cant be true as the configuration of air to ground has to different.

due you think it it wise to have abase in djbouti like the chinese to counter them? expensive?? doable?

rad said...

hi praasun
comming to emp weapons , when we have the know how to make an emp for a small bomb, why cant we reconfigure it to fit in a ballistic missile, shourya,agni , prithvi etc . my choice would be a solid fueled prithvi .the advantages being difficult to shoot down unlike the saaw and a much more heavier emp weapon to cause more damage???the saaw would have a 100 kg emp weapon , the prithvi can have a 1000 kg weapon???

what is ur opinion about the PAFC fuel cell made by drdo. the positive side is it may take longer but we will have a mature FC in the long run.

Unknown said...

I was reading one of your old article dated back to 2011 about BEL's massive fraud related to it's "indigenous" NVD.
1.Is situation of BEL changed?
2.Recently, BEL claimed to have develop a optic named Trinetra.Your take?
3.According to you, which DPSU is best(relatively)?
Thanks in advance....

bhoutik said...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLdM4T9UIAALf7c.jpg

--- what's up with the awkwardly fitting oven mitts on the garuds? never seen anything like them used by anyone else. maybe just me.

Ankit Singh said...

Prasunda,
1. You once said that the airframe fabrication of the Tejas Mk2 PV-1 has already commenced. First flight will take place sometime in 2017. what has changed since then that now the first flight is being said to have in 2022 if the work commences now?
2. If the new single engine fighter then it is definitely a dead end for Tejas MK2, will the ADA incorporate the GE suggested redesign of the wing for better aerodynamic perfomance?
Thanks in advance.

rad said...

hi prasun
can you confirm whether the qr sam has tvc?

the basic spice 250 is a non powered munitions , in video i do not see any modification for a rocket power plant?
If jdam type weapon is a glider then the pay load seems very small for a spice 250 weapon?

Is the basic spice 250 rocket powered?

Prranshu Yadav said...

Sir, I have a few questions based on your posts in the next thread but since they are off topic I am posting them here,

1) Are the EMP generating BMs you mentioned nuclear or conventional?
And while I agree that SAAW type PGMs are stealthier than BMs, I can see several things that could go wrong. The air base housing the aircraft carrying these PGMs could be attacked preemptively, while BM launchers being mobile and small are far harder to locate and target. It's known how much difficulty NATO warplanes had in locating Iraqi scud launchers in 1991 or Serbian SA-6 batteries in Balkan conflict. Moreover since our fighter aircraft are non stealthy they could be shot down (I don't know how effective nap of the earth approach will be in presence of enemy AWACS) while BMs are difficult to shoot down due to their sheer speed even if they are not as stealthy.

2) If SAAW is stealthy, so should be cruise missiles. Do you think Nirbhay could carry similar payload as JDAM type SAAW once it becomes operational? After all cruise missiles like Apache do carry anti runway submunitions.

3) I have read that pritvhi missile has been used as a platform to develop India's exoatmospheric BM interceptor. If pritvhi can be modified to be so accurate that it could intercept a BM in flight why do you think it can not be made accurate enough to target a runway?

rad said...

hi prasun
has the local SAR radar for the brahmos been flight tested ?. will russia allow us to replace radar? or even let us try to make the ramjet ?

does it make sense to have a 800km brahmos for the su 30 when the radar can go to approx 400km only hence being unable to target ships for real time updates. Has the brahmos a data link to the su-30?

i believe there are Russian technicians on site to monitor any violation of the agreement ? for the brahmos?

what is all this hullabaloo about israel refusing to part with tot for the heron tp?

Is the predator in competition with the heron tp? which is better?

what ever happened to the nuke sub that damaged its sonar dome . how true are reports of the Russian hesitant to give us nuke subs to our closeness to USA?

why has the price of the next nuke sub from russia jacked up to 2.4 bil$?

what would it cost to build the arihant and similar nukes subs? or the future atack subs?

any news about the PAFC AIP module and its maturity? reports suggest positive developments?









Rad said...

Hi Prasun
I was confused about the titanium dome which was unheard of and wanted to clarify as well , may be the desi Pattakars. Had invented a new way of emiting sound Waves thru titanium,,!

Will the Russians allow us to flight test the radar on the original Brahmos ?

What is the position of the. Nirbhaya?

Why can't we import club missiles from Russia as a stop gap , get tech as well

Will it be economical to use cruise missiles instead of brahmos for pin point attacks?

The cf seems to have accepted the jvpc carbine , what is the issue with army?

Ankit Singh said...

The Design of GE aero you uploaded in your blog.
Searching more about it i found that even the Germany's MBB also suggested such design of Cranked delta wing.
The scientists at ADA must have been smoking something great to avoid the considerations of such aerospace giants and go with pure delta.

Millard Keyes said...

whether cheap or not Iran has been churning out one weapon after another whilst Indians are too busy making the best in the world without ever attaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsgmYfvBJRY
The Indian mindset reminds me of Aesop's fables "There was once a crow who did not like his feathers. Substitute Peacock with the US and Israel and you will get the gist

"I wish I were a peacock!" he would say.
"You are beautiful as you are!" the other crows insisted.
"How plain and dull you seem to me!" he'd complain, and fly off to admire peacocks.
The peacocks strutted about with their colorful tail feathers outstretched. To the delight of the crow, some of the peacock feathers lay on the ground when the peacocks left.
Crow flew down to the ground and stuck the feathers into his wings and tail. He attached a few sticking up from his head.
"Now I am as beautiful as a peacock," he said.
But, when he went to join them in their strutting, the peacocks poked him and pecked him. What a fuss!
"You are not a peacock," they said, "Don't imitate us!"
Bruised and still dragging some broken peacock feathers in his tail, he returned home.
After all his insults, no one wanted his company!
As he sat alone, the other crows said, "It's foolish to try and be what you're not. Learn to love the feathers you've got!"

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